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Title: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 28, 2010, 07:35:13 AM
Maybe we want to put job stuff in someplace other than Useless Conversation.  It's not useless and it distracts us from posting about random bullshit (read the UC thread rules).

Anyway, I got a email about a job offer in Alpharetta, GA for RIM (you know, Blackberry).  Looking for someone strong in HPUX 11iV3 and RHEL 5.  Can PM me for details.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Samwise on September 28, 2010, 05:43:06 PM
I for one would like to know more about this RIM job you're advertising.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on September 28, 2010, 06:00:47 PM
I for one would like to know more about this RIM job you're advertising.

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 29, 2010, 11:36:49 AM
I bet you would, Magnus.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on September 29, 2010, 01:51:20 PM
While I hate to derail this, I might as well post this up:

DC/MD/VA area

Temp (and a possibility of becoming perm) contracting gig.   Needs to have strong Juniper and Cisco skills.  Netscreen and Acme Packet familiarity a bonus.  Solid understanding of IP Routing (including BGP).

PM me for details.





Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: stu on December 02, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Do we have any full-time Web Content Editors here? I'm entering negotiations with a venture capital and media firm and I'm looking for a good starting point for salary. I'd be doing copy, general editing, and possibly managing communications like Twitter and Facebook. I don't want to low-ball myself yadda, yadda.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on December 02, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
Well, if we are going to have a thread like this, I may as well spam a few job openings we have. I'll just throw in the main details/requirements.

In Vancouver:

Senior Web Developer -
Must Have Skills:

• Server side / front end development with .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.x (ASP.NET, C#).
• 3+ years of AJAX, JSON and OO-JavaScript experience.
• In-depth knowledge of available JavaScript libraries and frameworks such as jQuery.
• Strong competency in CSS and semantic markup.
• Strong experience with performance optimization for highly-trafficked web applications.

QA Manager:

• Minimum 5 years experience in leading QA or engineering teams in a software development company managing multiple projects, leads, and individual contributors while effectively partnering with development and solving problems that cross organizational boundaries
• Experience releasing high quality scalable web 2.0 services and applications, preferably with web applications using Microsoft .net, Apache Web Server, Microsoft SQL server, and at least one automation toolset


Or, for those of you in CA or AZ that feel like giving me a referal bonus:

Data Center Engineer                                                   Phoenix, AZ
Enterprise Monitoring / Capacity Planning Analyst   Phoenix, AZ
Enterprise Software Architect - Analytics                   Westlake Village or Campbell, CA
Software Engineer - Mobile (iOS) Applications                   Westlake Village or Campbell, CA
Software Engineer - Mobile Applications                   Westlake Village or Campbell, CA
Sr Oracle Customer Data Hub and SOA Fusion Developer   Westlake Village, CA
Sr Siebel CRM Developer                                   Westlake Village, CA
Sr Software Engineer (back-end/middle-tier)                   Westlake Village, CA
Online Community Manager                                   Westlake Village, CA    :awesome_for_real: - not video game related   :cry2:




Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 03, 2010, 11:16:58 AM
Applied for an entry level installer job at Comcast two days ago. Got a call today about starting the interview process. While not an ideal job, it starts at almost a dollar an hour more than I used to make and I might be able to get free internets which would be nice.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: murdoc on December 03, 2010, 12:51:25 PM
I just got hired on as a Messaging Specialist for a major oil and gas player here in Calgary. I'm beyond excited. The timing couldn't be more perfect for this as it's a major raise in all areas of my career. I've taken a very long a winding road in my IT career (I have next to no schooling), but it's nice to actually step into a role that's more focused and specialised.

Plus, the benefits and salary are incredible.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 03, 2010, 02:48:04 PM
Interview with Comcast on Tuesday afternoon.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on December 03, 2010, 02:51:03 PM
Interview with Comcast on Tuesday afternoon.

Don't do it!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 03, 2010, 02:53:02 PM
Job is a job at this point.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on December 03, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
I heard that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 03, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
I just got hired on as a Messaging Specialist for a major oil and gas player here in Calgary. I'm beyond excited. The timing couldn't be more perfect for this as it's a major raise in all areas of my career. I've taken a very long a winding road in my IT career (I have next to no schooling), but it's nice to actually step into a role that's more focused and specialised.

Plus, the benefits and salary are incredible.

Congratz. The no degree route is a long road.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on December 03, 2010, 03:37:57 PM
Job is a job at this point.

Just tell me it's not CSR.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 03, 2010, 03:56:56 PM
I believe I said what the job was earlier in this thread.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on December 03, 2010, 04:11:03 PM
I believe I said what the job was earlier in this thread.

I didn't read!  :facepalm:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 03, 2010, 05:00:16 PM
You all can become RN's, we have a shortage of 780 positions in the 11 county region of Indiana I'm in...

Hell we have two night shift slots open right now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on December 03, 2010, 08:55:45 PM
I don't do so well with blood.  Or body fluids.  Or people.  Mom's been a nurse for thirty years, so I've seen what she's gone through.

Sorry.  I respect y'all, but it's not for me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sheepherder on December 03, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
How about people charred to the point where they don't retain much bodily fluid?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on December 03, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
I don't do so well with blood.  Or body fluids.  Or people.  Mom's been a nurse for thirty years, so I've seen what she's gone through.

Sorry.  I respect y'all, but it's not for me.

Amen to this.  It takes a special type to be a nurse.  In addition to all the stuff you have here, you get to put up with MDeities, which is generally spectacular. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 07, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
So the Comcast interview went fairly well.

When I asked when their benefits kick in for new employees they said 90 days and I thought to myself "America, Fuck yeah!" (most jobs in this town are 30 days, or if it is a University job day 1)

But hey, a job is a job at this point.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: naum on December 07, 2010, 05:36:31 PM
You all can become RN's, we have a shortage of 780 positions in the 11 county region of Indiana I'm in...

Hell we have two night shift slots open right now.

Should get the word out to new grads in AZ — RN gigs have gotten scarce here with the flood of recent graduates and ailing state economy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: FatuousTwat on December 08, 2010, 04:01:11 AM
You all can become RN's, we have a shortage of 780 positions in the 11 county region of Indiana I'm in...

Hell we have two night shift slots open right now.

In Oregon, no one is hiring nurses, and facilities are getting fined for being understaffed.

My mother has been looking for work for like 6 months and has barely even gotten a bite, and she has 10+ years of hospice experience.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on December 08, 2010, 06:25:44 AM
If I was out of a job with no prospects at this point in my life I would probably look at apprenticing to a plumber or a starting welding or pipe fitting job or some such.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 08, 2010, 06:29:44 AM
Huh...just did a Monster Search for RN positions, over 5000+ US wide, was 50+ in AZ, 30+ in OR, curious, did Oregon adopt the same nurse to patient ratio that California put into place?  Oh, I know that some areas can be a bitch to get a job, Indianapolis has ups and downs with many of the RN's threw out the state driving there to take jobs since they pay a ton (we share crappy flats and work 3 in a row to maximize the money if possible), a lot of it is what you are willing to work, I'm working night shifts with every other weekend, but many people don't want to work that kind of shifts.  Legacy Health System in Portland OR, has 29 RN slots listed right now, I usually look at the hospital or agency and go to there web site and figure out what is available and then follow up on openings if I was looking for a job.  The bigger web sites aren't that effective.  I also get head hunter calls about 1 or 2 times a month from travel RN companies.  


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on December 08, 2010, 06:49:48 AM
If I was out of a job with no prospects at this point in my life I would probably look at apprenticing to a plumber or a starting welding or pipe fitting job or some such.

About a year ago I almost went back for HVAC.  Plumbing sucks...  30 years of poop in a pipe will turn you off that fast. 

We're considering a move to Seattle in the next year for a change of scenery and I don't think the HVAC would go over so well there.  I suspect, at least.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on December 08, 2010, 01:46:20 PM
Plumbing...ecch. I'm considering a third act career switch, electrician is the building trade I like best. Can do it until you're 90, it's mostly clean and because it's dangerous to newbs, you can bill accordingly. But the apprenticeship is a killer when you're already 40 and making a decent salary.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on December 08, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
My dad just retired as an electrician - his issue was that it was tough on his knees.  When his plant closed up last year he started looking for other work, but quickly found that the only stuff out there required too much up and down (heh) to keep him doing new construction builds.  Good luck though, he was very satisfied with his career.

And yeah, that would be a royal pain making the switch and starting from the bottom rung.  At least you know what you're in for if you choose it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on December 08, 2010, 04:04:53 PM
Plumbing...ecch.

Yeah, but you can make a lot of good money as a plumber.  And if you're savvy enough to run your own business, you can do very, very well (because of the Ecch).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on December 08, 2010, 06:20:55 PM
On a resume, what is the best way to differentiate between:
  • Solid knowledge and experience (Windows OSes, PHP, mySQL, etc.)
  • Once solid but now ancient (VMS-VAX machine I admin'd that was decommissioned six years ago)
  • Some familiarity, but limited exposure (Solaris, IRIX, RedHat, etc.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 08, 2010, 08:52:46 PM
On a resume, what is the best way to differentiate between:
  • Solid knowledge and experience (Windows OSes, PHP, mySQL, etc.)
  • Once solid but now ancient (VMS-VAX machine I admin'd that was decommissioned six years ago)
  • Some familiarity, but limited exposure (Solaris, IRIX, RedHat, etc.)

Extensive experience: MS Windows, PHP, mySQL, VMS-VAX
Familiarity with:  Various UNIX/Linux systems (Solaris, IRIX, RedHat)

2 lines, leaves out the negative. A resume is as much about leaving out parts of the information as it is about putting information there in the first place.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on December 08, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
Thank you.

The resume will hopefully be mostly an after-thought since there is an extensive application and one isn't required, but I'd rather it look good than not.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 13, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Wind chill is -10 and I have an interview on campus in a building that doesn't have a parking meter within 1/4 mile. Joy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: stu on December 13, 2010, 06:25:33 PM
Rather than write "familiar," I always use "proficient."

Minor, but it sounds better.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on December 13, 2010, 06:57:19 PM
Rather than write "familiar," I always use "proficient."

Minor, but it sounds better.

That pisses me off.  "Knowledgeable" maybe - but claim you are proficient and you AREN'T I will not only slash your name from my list but will let some other people know not to hire you.

RAR!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: stu on December 13, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
I'm not saying fib on your resume! I can't help it if you attract loads of choades into your interview rape dungeon.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 13, 2010, 07:32:55 PM
I'm not saying fib on your resume! I can't help it if you attract loads of choades into your interview rape dungeon.

Claiming proficiency in the case of the level of experience that Lantyssa mentioned in those systems would constitute fibbing though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: bhodi on December 13, 2010, 10:41:49 PM
Totally agree with Cheddar. We catch you using 'proficient' when what you really meant was you once sat in a seminar about it, we peg you to the wall like a butterfly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on December 15, 2010, 02:52:59 PM
My company is hiring for people with PeopleSoft/HRIS experience. Priority is for Consultants and Business Analysts, but we're very much short staffed and expanding fast. We're located in Mississauga, ON (403/Hurontario). You can read up on the company here (http://www.katalogic.com/).

I don't have job descriptions because we're in the process of revamping all of ours, but the company works on the premise that anyone with a little bit of exposure can learn to be an expert.

If you're interested, send me a PM.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on December 20, 2010, 06:04:21 PM
We are hiring in the Hampton Roads area for Consumer Sales.

https://www22.verizon.com/about/careers/openings/HJOBP000000003271835.html?sp=0

fyi - Training will be in Virginia Beach with the entire center being moved to Hampton by April.  Full benefits, good pay, etc etc.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on December 20, 2010, 11:09:26 PM
Link doesn't work for me Cheddar.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on December 21, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
Link doesn't work for me Cheddar.

Try verizon.com/fiberjobs and search for your state.  We have a ton of positions opening across our footprint.

FYI - when something DOES post make sure you apply within 24 hours.  Jobs with Verizon go QUICK.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on January 02, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
Dropbox are hiring and the list of benefits are funny.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on January 02, 2011, 02:00:24 PM
One extra gig of space?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on January 02, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
That's not that unusual for startup jobs here in the SF Bay Area. The company I work for has similar "benefits" (no arcade DDR machine though).

Google, which of course is not a startup anymore, has really ridiculous "benefits".

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/googleplex2.htm
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/googleplex3.htm

But even with all that they are losing people to companies like Facebook.

Competition for top notch engineers is really fierce right now here.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on January 02, 2011, 04:11:41 PM
Why is was this in Serious Business?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on January 02, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
That's not that unusual for startup jobs here in the SF Bay Area. The company I work for has similar "benefits" (no arcade DDR machine though).

Google, which of course is not a startup anymore, has really ridiculous "benefits".

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/googleplex2.htm
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/googleplex3.htm

But even with all that they are losing people to companies like Facebook.

Competition for top notch engineers is really fierce right now here.


Google's a big place, and while it's far less broken than most companies of its size and generally a great place to work, a tiny startup it is not.

I kinda scratch my head at the folks leaving to work for Facebook -- I could certainly see going to throw the dice at another startup at some point, but Facebook would not be a place I'd leave for.  Yuck.

Competition for great engineers is always fierce -- even well after the dot com bubble burst when people were leaving the bay area and traffic seemed to be getting better, hiring really good engineers was hard to do.  The good people tend to not have trouble finding jobs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on January 03, 2011, 01:32:30 AM
I kinda scratch my head at the folks leaving to work for Facebook -- I could certainly see going to throw the dice at another startup at some point, but Facebook would not be a place I'd leave for.  Yuck.
It's pre-IPO and Goggle's stock isn't going up like it did in its early years post-IPO.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on January 03, 2011, 04:20:26 AM
And from what I've heard through the grapevine, the people moving are getting a *lot* of options.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sheepherder on January 03, 2011, 04:37:47 AM
Why is was this in Serious Business?

Someone obviously took the name at face value.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on January 03, 2011, 08:47:11 AM
Why is was this in Serious Business?


Because this was made to remove the job hunt discussion from Useless Conversation.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on January 03, 2011, 04:06:02 PM
And from what I've heard through the grapevine, the people moving are getting a *lot* of options.

I'm sure they are, but FB isn't small either.  I may be completely wrong, but I'm not convinced they're going to magically go public for a gazillion dollars and make everybody multi-millionaires.  Of course when I look back at the kind of total nonsense that made people money during the dotcom boom, who knows. ^^


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on January 03, 2011, 07:03:47 PM
And from what I've heard through the grapevine, the people moving are getting a *lot* of options.

I'm sure they are, but FB isn't small either.  I may be completely wrong, but I'm not convinced they're going to magically go public for a gazillion dollars and make everybody multi-millionaires.  Of course when I look back at the kind of total nonsense that made people money during the dotcom boom, who knows. ^^

They were valued at $50 billion recently. There stock is trading at $25 per share right now putting them at an even higher valuation. (something like $257 billion at a $25 per share price IIRC)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on January 03, 2011, 07:10:04 PM
Yup.  Aware of that.  I think it's silly.  From what I know of how their technology works and how social networks have risen and fallen in the past, I fundamentally do not believe they are as unstoppable/undisplacable as the people who value them at $50B do. 

Might be I'm totally wrong and unable to embrace the future of the Internet which is like buttons and friends lists and absolutely no meaningful privacy control.  I've been wrong before.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on January 04, 2011, 08:16:11 AM
I do think you over-value privacy. Not personally, of course. But the sheep will willingly give up all their privacy for some stupid shiny.

Having an early gmail (my first initial + last name), I'm inundated with shit from everyone in THE WORLD with my initial + last name signing up for all kinds of shit. Maybe working in telemarketing when I was a kid lifted the curtain on this shit, pre-internet, for me. Who doesn't have a dozen emails and layers of obfuscation to at least attempt to stymie the non-stop assault of capitalism?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on January 04, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
Facebook is going to make a fucking mint for the people that jumped ship when it goes public. Its realistic longterm viability is kinda meh, but that initial IPO is gonna be nuts. GS wouldn't be backing it and structuring it to milk the shit out to its HNW clients if it wasn't.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on February 25, 2011, 09:27:42 AM
Any IT people in or around Houston looking for work?

Need a new IT assistant.  Desktop/server support, security administration, some clerical duties.  No travel, 8-5, 2003/XP shop.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 25, 2011, 11:39:54 AM
I'll PM you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 25, 2011, 01:14:59 PM
Tempted, but if I can't get the fiancee to bite on San Antonio I doubt she'll go for Houston :)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on February 25, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
I know of NOC openings in both Dulles, VA  and in Georgetown.  Ping me if interested and I'll pass your info on to the appropriate people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on February 26, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
Anyone here know anything about Roanoke?  Big opportunity coming up for me - but its a huge move.  Looks nice on the interwebs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on February 26, 2011, 07:08:53 PM
Amazon is hiring++.  Jobs in EU, CDN (new dev center in TO opening), and US West Coast.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 27, 2011, 06:22:43 AM
Yeah, what's up with that ?  Tons of positions in the UK also...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on February 27, 2011, 05:34:37 PM
Anyone here know anything about Roanoke?  Big opportunity coming up for me - but its a huge move.  Looks nice on the interwebs.

Yes! Awesome place. 100k population so big enough for most everything you need while maintaining a small town/mountain town feel. The economy weathered the recent downturn fairly well from what I have been told.
Its especially nice if you are into the outdoors at all (close to skiing, the Appalachian Trail, Blueridge Mountains, etc etc), if you are more into a thriving opera company and symphony not so much. I dont know anything about the local school system if you have kids.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on February 27, 2011, 08:15:44 PM
Yeah, what's up with that ?  Tons of positions in the UK also...

Most of the positions in Seattle are Kindle related, so I think they may be gearing up for a new Kindle launch, which is rather cool. I'm hoping for color, or maybe some enhanced tablet like functionality.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on February 28, 2011, 07:23:19 AM
Rumor has it that the Kindle's going to be free to anyone with a Prime account, so I'm guessing that might be it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on February 28, 2011, 12:35:29 PM
Yeah, what's up with that ?  Tons of positions in the UK also...

Growth.  Not just Kindle.  Lots of dev centers around the world and new distribution centers opening for all ranges of skill (technical or otherwise).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 28, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Eh, I didn't see much for my level of skill without a pretty big move backward or out of IT. Also it's another HR department with a hard-on for degrees. Whee.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on February 28, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Eh, I didn't see much for my level of skill without a pretty big move backward or out of IT. Also it's another HR department with a hard-on for degrees. Whee.

FWIW I agree.  But if you have relevant experience some recruiters might still call. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 01, 2011, 03:47:06 PM
It's time.  RedHat or SUSE?  I'm thinking RedHat.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on March 01, 2011, 04:05:38 PM
Debian or Ubuntu.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on March 01, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
My cousin in law is in management for RedHat.  He seems pretty happy - has a workforce all over the world and really enjoys what he does.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 01, 2011, 08:31:54 PM
I'm learning/refreshing my skills on Fedora right now and I've liked it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 02, 2011, 04:52:42 PM
Debian or Ubuntu.


Not in the portfolio, unfortunately.  I suppose RH is fine.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on March 02, 2011, 04:58:03 PM
If it's a US job/project I'd go with RH then. SUSE is more of a Euro thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on March 02, 2011, 06:03:51 PM
Driving through Indianapolis I saw a few billboards with the super-specific requirement of "Know Linux?"

http://www.hostgator.com/jobs.shtml

From their page, looks like they want both Linux and Windows System Administrators 1-3 and Front Line Tech support for jobs in Houston and Austin. Knowing some of y'all are in Texas I thought I'd pass it on.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 02, 2011, 06:59:27 PM
If it's a US job/project I'd go with RH then. SUSE is more of a Euro thing.


On target with that assessment, I mostly wanted to uncover any boobytraps.  The weather indicates a RH class/cert in the near term for me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ookii on March 23, 2011, 04:54:15 PM
Thought I would throw some openings in here as well. My cousin's company just moved to Scottsdale, AZ and is starting to hire all sorts of IT folks:

http://parchment.com/company/careers (http://parchment.com/company/careers)

Also if you happen to be in the DC area, my current company is looking for technical support and QA people, message me if you're interested!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on March 29, 2011, 01:54:09 PM
Potential opening for someone with background in training design and delivery systems.
Non-profit experience preferred.
Headquarters based in Fredericksburg, VA.

Send me a PM if interested.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on March 31, 2011, 02:45:20 PM
Looking for someone unemployed or with lots of free time to take on a single contract project for a national non-profit.
Work involves taking a Blackbaud/Kintera database of nearly 90,000 records, removing/consolidating duplicate records, and putting it into a flat format (excel) for upload to Yourmembership.

Time is of the essence (72-96 hour turn around). Cost if of the essence since it involves a non-profit.
PM me if interested.






Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 16, 2011, 10:31:23 AM
Another company reorg.  Huge power vacuum just occurred-  this could get interesting.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on April 16, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
Another company reorg.  Huge power vacuum just occurred-  this could get interesting.

Blech. Haven't you had bad luck here recently?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on April 19, 2011, 01:38:50 PM
Two things.

For all you IT guys, Bridgewater Associates, LP. (hedge fund based out of Westport, CT) is on a hiring binge right now for IT support (40+ jobs).
View their jobs listings here: https://sjobs.brassring.cogm/1033/ASP/TG/cim_searchresults.asp?ref=4192011142912&SID=^fPmWUZDlaon_slp_rhc_0YKLCYtavJxPvPWqp7fWI1cqadm/rT_slp_rhc_R4qRxpWXwAFm3b6KK6JSU

Secondly has anyone here done any work with them in the past or know anything about them? We are looking at doing some work with them, and while I am doing due diligence through other channels I figured I would ask on here as well as you never know with F13. Feel free to PM response.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 22, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
Since their site is down, I'm guessing they really need those techs.  Expect long hours!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on April 23, 2011, 12:06:50 AM
Since their site is down, I'm guessing they really need those techs.  Expect long hours!

No for some reason it didnt connect the whole link or something funky.
Try this:

https://sjobs.brassring.com/1033/ASP/TG/cim_home.asp?partnerid=25310&siteid=5242
and then just run a query for IT jobs.

From what is publicly available, and you could find for yourself:

Biggest hedge fund in the world (1200 present employees with $94 billion in assets) So you will be nicely compensated.
CEO/Founder personally banked 3+ billion last year
Run with cult like efficiency, where people are encouraged to speak up or argue with their superiors if they believe they are right.
Hiring 40+ project managers, coders, Q&A, Database admins, etc etc
Yes you will need to submit to a background check.

I am not posting what the project is in open forums, you can PM me for more details.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 23, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
Definitely an interesting list, some possibilities there, and I could get into more of an engineering role faster than current (the problem with being indispensable for select functions).  It's very Winux, though, and I'm not sure I can handle that at the moment.  Also, they would have to allow telecommuting since I am not moving except for Large Sums.  I think I need to bake a little longer in my current spot before I'm ready to take on a real leadership position.  I could do it, sure, and my team lead just threatened to make ME team lead this evening, but personally I think I need to work out some issues first.  Plus I am going to milk the training cow while I have a tit in reach.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 25, 2011, 06:40:02 AM
So because Career Builder doens't have an understanding between Architect-Construction and Architect-IT I get a lot of odd matches on some of my job searches.  If anyone's honestly strained for a job, there's a ton of positions in Cincinnati.  Blue Ash (Middle-to-north of the Greater Cincy area) made a push 5-8 years ago to bring a lot of Tech companies around as it lost manufacturing jobs.

If you can tolerate the political climate (honestly the north end of the city is better than my end) and want to live in one of the cheapest cities in the US, take a look at this list.  (I've deleted all the construction jobs that showed up today, these are the IT ones only.)  The Achitect Specialist positions are for Citigroup.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on July 06, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
The team I am on is hiring another LAMP dev.  The pay isn't the best (a bit over 48k) but the bennies are great and it is pretty low stress being government work and all.  So if you are looking for work in Austin drop me a pm for the details.

edit: just to clarify we don't do much design work, mostly php crud apps and currently working on moving our site into a cms.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 06, 2011, 10:59:19 AM
Damn.  Wish I was a bit closer to Austin.  LAMP is what I've been learning and at an educated guess I've got two months left here.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on July 06, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
Damn.  Wish I was a bit closer to Austin.  LAMP is what I've been learning and at an educated guess I've got two months left here.

Move, Austin is nicer than Houston anyhow ;P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 06, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
It may come to that, but if I move out of my house within the next two years I take an instant $8,000 loss.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ookii on July 27, 2011, 10:39:48 AM
My company is once again looking to hire someone for support who knows linux and mysql, snmp is a plus. We're not having much luck so far for some reason, so if you'd like to work in Northern Virginia send me a message.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 27, 2011, 03:56:52 PM
Ew.

:oh_i_see:

I am, however, actively looking for work since I can't deal with this bullshit job anymore.  I should probably go take the PMP test and get that out of the way... can't be that hard considering the shitbrains that I deal with.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on July 27, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
Ew.

:oh_i_see:

I am, however, actively looking for work since I can't deal with this bullshit job anymore.  I should probably go take the PMP test and get that out of the way... can't be that hard considering the shitbrains that I deal with.
Those that can't do manage.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 27, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
If management didn't pay so well, I'd not consider it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 28, 2011, 04:10:08 AM
My company (http://acony-games.de/#/career) is looking for the following three positions:

Gameplay programmer - Unreal and console experience preferred.
Project manager - not necessarily with game experience but must have previous experience of managing projects.
Junior QA tester - must have a pulse.

All of these are in Germany, relo and visa assistance available if required.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 28, 2011, 08:27:57 AM
So waiting for Iain to say OSX sysadmin. I want to be in the parade!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on July 28, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
My company (http://acony-games.de/#/career) is looking for the following three positions:

Gameplay programmer - Unreal and console experience preferred.
Project manager - not necessarily with game experience but must have previous experience of managing projects.
Junior QA tester - must have a pulse.

All of these are in Germany, relo and visa assistance available if required.
So if I said yes to the Junior QA tester, you'd basically fly me to Germany where I could play video games all day long, with 6 weeks of vacation a year?   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 28, 2011, 02:33:04 PM
How poorly does a Junior QA Tester pay?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 03:47:21 PM
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85916/farley.jpg)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 04:02:06 PM
Aaaaaand the suspicious-looking job offers start rolling in.  This is my least favorite part, separating the wheat from chaff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 28, 2011, 04:03:45 PM
Aaaaaand the suspicious-looking job offers start rolling in.  This is my least favorite part, separating the wheat from chaff.

If they ask you to provide your own pasties, it's a scam.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 04:05:44 PM
I'm thinking "Six Sigma" means it's a scam.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ookii on July 28, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
Actually, I forget there are people here who are more qualified to do things than to provide support. Here are all the positions:

Sales Executive - South Central Region
Sales Executive - Bay Area
Sales Engineer - Multiple Locations
Computer Systems Engineer
Mid-Level Documentation Specialist
Product Manager Integration
Junior Level Software Quality Assurance Engineer
LAMP Developer
Mid-level Software Engineer
Mid-level Software Quality Assurance Engineer
Professional Services Engineer
Senior Automation Engineer
Senior LAMP Software Engineer
Senior Network Software Engineer
Technical Support Engineer
Online Marketing Manager
Office Assistant
Staff Accountant Financial Analyst

We're really pushing for more people right now, apparently there is nobody qualified in Northern Virginia. Go figure.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 28, 2011, 04:33:32 PM
How poorly does a Junior QA Tester pay?

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.

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So if I said yes to the Junior QA tester, you'd basically fly me to Germany where I could play video games all day long, with 6 weeks of vacation a year?   :awesome_for_real:

In between telling us to tighten up the graphics on level 3 that's exactly how it works  :wink:

The reality isn't far off that to be fair. The holiday is 5 weeks and not 6 and if you stretch 'running test cases' far enough you can make it look like 'playing video games' all day.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 08:56:55 PM
Computer Systems Engineer
Mid-Level Documentation Specialist
Professional Services Engineer
Senior Automation Engineer
Technical Support Engineer

These are a bit vague but may relate to my job experience.  I'll not immediately assume the pay is "low" and ask if telecommuting is allowed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on July 28, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
Actually, I forget there are people here who are more qualified to do things than to provide support. Here are all the positions:

Little more specifics on your company? Industry?

Are they relocating people for these or allowing some to telecommute? (Sales positions not withstanding).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Switching thoughts quickly here, a friend of mine reviewed my resume and apparently a one-pager is not how it's done these days.  So I'll have to get to work adding buzzwords and listing out projects I led and some things I somehow forgot about, like DR experience.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 28, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
For me, that would be a raise. What's the longevity on the position? October might be the death knell for me here  :sad_panda:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on July 28, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
Switching thoughts quickly here, a friend of mine reviewed my resume and apparently a one-pager is not how it's done these days.  So I'll have to get to work adding buzzwords and listing out projects I led and some things I somehow forgot about, like DR experience.
This annoyed me when job hunting, because if I was to stretch out my resume to include my college work experience programming and high school grocery clerk jobs, I could maybe hit 2 pages legitimately.  But no one cares about those BS jobs.  The "way resumes are done" keeps changing and it annoys me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 28, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
The most important thing, I believe, is to understand people now search for keywords.  The challenge is in crafting a resume that doesn't read like a HTML keyword list.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on July 28, 2011, 10:37:14 PM
The most important thing, I believe, is to understand people now search for keywords.  The challenge is in crafting a resume that doesn't read like a HTML keyword list.
A key aspect of this is to make sure your job descriptions back up your skill list.  If you don't do that it looks like you are faking it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 29, 2011, 01:49:17 AM
Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
For me, that would be a raise. What's the longevity on the position? October might be the death knell for me here  :sad_panda:
We're going to beta very soon and expect to be live by the end of the year at the latest. We have a five year post release plan, so I guess the longevity is anywhere from 'we crash and burn on launch' to 'money-hats for the next half decade'. We are self funded though, we aren't relying on publisher investment for a launch.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 29, 2011, 07:34:46 AM
Does it require being able to speak German?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on July 29, 2011, 07:42:47 AM
I'm thinking "Six Sigma" means it's a scam.

I'm six-sigma LEAN certified.  Unless you work on a production line it's largely a scam.  Anyway, it just means have a process, stick to it, measure it and adjust it as needed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ookii on July 29, 2011, 09:14:59 AM
Yes, it would make sense to actually post a link to the company:

http://ww2.sciencelogic.com/current-opportunities (http://ww2.sciencelogic.com/current-opportunities)

We make a network monitoring platform called EM7, of course that is explained more in-depth on the site. Currently we do have remote employees, and a new office in Austin to boot. I'm not sure which positions are telecommuting and which are not, but the current concern seems to be getting the right person no matter where they are located.

As far as these:
Computer Systems Engineer
Mid-Level Documentation Specialist
Professional Services Engineer
Senior Automation Engineer
Technical Support Engineer

The computer systems engineer is new, I'm not sure what that position will actually be about. The documentation specialist writes docs, professional services engineer goes and installs the thing, senior automation engineer will work in qa, and technical support engineer supports the thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 29, 2011, 09:52:05 AM
How poorly does a Junior QA Tester pay?

Between 25 and 30k (Euros) a year. Of that the German government will take a fairly large chunk but your out of pocket healthcare costs are 10€ a quarter and you don't need a car.
It'd be a pay cut, but it's actually kind of tempting given my situation is still screwed up and I'm weighing various options.  How hard is it to get a long-term work visa and/or the German greencard equivalency?

Also my German is very rusty.  How quickly would I need to bring it up to fluency?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 29, 2011, 11:10:22 AM

It'd be a pay cut, but it's actually kind of tempting given my situation is still screwed up and I'm weighing various options.  How hard is it to get a long-term work visa and/or the German greencard equivalency?

Also my German is very rusty.  How quickly would I need to bring it up to fluency?

Depends. The company would sponsor anyone it recruited from outside the EU and in my experience this process takes anything up to a couple of weeks. In my wife's case it took an afternoon although she had the advantage of being married to an EU citizen.

The company speaks English and all of our business is conducted in English. Having said that, this is rural Germany and the level of English spoken outside the company is patchy. You can get by with surprisingly little German for daily life - eating at restaurants and shopping mostly requires that you have a few stock phrases memorised rather than any level of fluency. There is a language school in town and the company periodically enrolls non-German staff on courses there.

In general the cost of living is low here, even compared to much of Europe. Your Euros will go a long way and converting USD into Euros doesn't really provide an accurate basis for comparison because your expenses beyond rent and utilities are practically zero. Most of the things you would be used to paying for separately are provided through your taxes (which will be much higher than you will likely be used to - 30k a year will translate into approximately 1900/month take home). Cars are optional and public transport is both ubiquitous and cheap.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on July 29, 2011, 11:14:20 AM
In general the cost of living is low here, even compared to much of Europe. Your Euros will go a long way and converting USD into Euros doesn't really provide an accurate basis for comparison because your expenses beyond rent and utilities are practically zero. Most of the things you would be used to paying for separately are provided through your taxes (which will be much higher than you will likely be used to - 30k a year will translate into approximately 1900/month take home). Cars are optional and public transport is both ubiquitous and cheap.

Can I apply to come live in your socialist commune paradise?  :grin:
All the bullies in our sandbox broke our toys.

In all seriousness, sounds like a heck of an opportunity for someone looking to get to the EU.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 29, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
Business in English makes my life easy.  I'd relearn German fast enough to get around.  Rural appeals to me.  I'm not too worried about expenses.  As long as rent, utilities, and food is reasonable I can make it fine.  My other costs aren't a lot.

Which town was it again?  I'd like to look up the area.

My main concern would be if I could handle being a QA tester.  My mind might break having to repetitively test the same thing over and over.  (Plus the scariness of considering a move overseas.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 29, 2011, 01:16:31 PM
Fuck it, I am applying for a job in Germany!

Do you get a referral bonus, Iain?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 29, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
I say we have Iain judge a miniature painting contest for the position.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 29, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
Fuck it, I am applying for a job in Germany!

Do you get a referral bonus, Iain?

I do get a referral bonus as it happens so if you do apply, namecheck me (Iain Compton) and send me a note so that if people ask about you I can tell them that I sorta internet know you in some way. Bear in mind that I have no role in hiring and that the people who do have a role in hiring aren't going to ask me if my good friend xXx1337Satan666xXx is a good fit for the tester position, they're going to give me the name on your CV.

Lantyssa, the town is Villingen-Schwenningen and the office is in the Villingen part.

Pictures! Other people's (http://www.google.com/search?q=villingen&hl=en&prmd=ivnsm&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=mPwyTru0JIv5sgben7HpBg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1896&bih=894) and mine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/requiel/tags/villingen/).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on July 29, 2011, 01:28:42 PM
I'm thinking "Six Sigma" means it's a scam.

I'm six-sigma LEAN certified.  Unless you work on a production line it's largely a scam.  Anyway, it just means have a process, stick to it, measure it and adjust it as needed.

9/10 times six-sigma and lean are just words.  If all you are doing is putting masking tape on a desk to show where a tool goes, you are probably doing it wrong.  If you are doing value-stream mapping and spaghetti maps and fully buying into it...You can make your operation pretty efficient. I've seen suppliers go from having a 4 month workflow for a product to several weeks. That being said, I wouldn't want to work at Toyota. You suddenly become a machine to be utilized.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on July 29, 2011, 04:41:30 PM
Pictures! Other people's (http://www.google.com/search?q=villingen&hl=en&prmd=ivnsm&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=mPwyTru0JIv5sgben7HpBg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1896&bih=894) and mine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/requiel/tags/villingen/).

This reminds me that I should probably get a better camera before I move to Africa later this year.

Sure, there might not be a ton to see, but I'd like to have clear pictures of what there IS to see.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 01, 2011, 03:06:53 PM
Management decided to put the Sysadmin position I'm interviewing for up on Monster.com (via the local paper) - I've gotten 10 resumes in 4 days (with half not being local), as opposed to the craigslist ad I ran previously which got around 50 locals in the first day...

Monster.com was a cesspool the last time I used it (7-8 years ago), and their ad for phone reps there is getting no bites as well - does anyone still use it?

(edit : found out they used Careerbuilder, which is why half the applicants are non-local, gotcha)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 07, 2011, 06:50:51 AM
CWA/IBEW walked out of contract negotions and called a strike.

Good news - I get OT and lots and lots of hours!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Tannhauser on August 07, 2011, 07:59:02 AM
I've had a lot of interest on CB and Monster after I updated my resume and uploaded it.  I read somewhere that you should upload it fairly often so it stays "on top" and gets more notice.

The second thing I did was to start my resume at the top with "I am trained in <keyword><keyword><keyword>, etc."  So it looks like a sentence but it's really just putting the keywords on top so the nice computer can find them quickly and tag me.

Of course it doesn't hurt that my field (Quality Engineer) seems to be an in-demand career currently.  Before I did this stuff I had NO contacts via CB and Monster.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on August 07, 2011, 08:22:09 AM
CWA/IBEW walked out of contract negotions and called a strike.

Good news - I get OT and lots and lots of hours!

Unfortunately for them, it happened on the same weekend as the S&P credit downgrade, so the strike got bumped off the front pages it looks like.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 08, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Why do I get anxious over an interview for a job that I'm not 100% sold on?  Must be because I'm anxious, and I'm not used to dealing with people who don't know how awesome I am.  Now I have to figure out how to convince a hiring manager that I'm the shit.  Sigh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ard on August 09, 2011, 12:05:48 PM
It might make it easier on you if you try to approach it from the other end of the spectrum and make them explain why it's worth your time to even be there interviewing, much less seriously considering the position.  I am of course giving advice I myself am incapable of doing, but hey, I know that confidence trick at least works.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on August 09, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
Actually a friend of mine who does highly paid consulting work does something similar to that.

He turns it into him interviewing them for his talents.  To see if their problem is actually worth his time/interest.

"What is the problem you want me to solve?" followed by, "Here is a first impression on how I will approach that problem and the resources I think I will need to accomplish my solution."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 09, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
I have a job interview in an hour or so to be Sky Jr. at one of the local libraries.

19 an hour for part time evenings and weekends....yeah I can dig that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 09, 2011, 03:07:32 PM
Woohoo! Good luck.

Do they need a full time librarian or sysadmin?  :oh_i_see: (Funding not at its most stable for libraries these days, despite record usage)

Politics aside, it's a great field to work in. One of those occupations where you can get immediate feedback from helping people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 09, 2011, 03:15:38 PM
Woohoo! Good luck.

Do they need a full time librarian or sysadmin?  :oh_i_see: (Funding not at its most stable for libraries these days, despite record usage)

Politics aside, it's a great field to work in. One of those occupations where you can get immediate feedback from helping people.

They had a full time position as a sys admin last fall paying 24 an hour. I didn't even get an interview for that one.

And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  :sad: They also hire librarian types quite regularly around here. Both Champaign and Urbana both are big on library funding (both have done major renovations/rebuilds of their buildings recently) and the University of Illinois has the largest public university library in North America. The biggest problem with jobs at the university is that the Civil Service postings are only open to Illinois residents.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 09, 2011, 08:59:37 PM
And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  :sad:

That shouldn't stop anyone from applying for a job. I know universities are bit more strict on that stuff, but everyone I know who is hiring is having a really hard time finding *good* candidates for the job openings they have. They usually end up with someone thats "ok and hopefully we can teach them what they need to know" but would rather have someone with some experience.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 09, 2011, 09:43:02 PM
Actually a friend of mine who does highly paid consulting work does something similar to that.

He turns it into him interviewing them for his talents.  To see if their problem is actually worth his time/interest.

"What is the problem you want me to solve?" followed by, "Here is a first impression on how I will approach that problem and the resources I think I will need to accomplish my solution."

Asking pertinent questions is an excellent way to display your skill set, plus it will give you a heads up as to how f'd up the organization is.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 09, 2011, 10:10:18 PM
And the university just had a library IT posting that closed yesterday, but it required a college degree or I would have sent it to you.  :sad:

That shouldn't stop anyone from applying for a job. I know universities are bit more strict on that stuff, but everyone I know who is hiring is having a really hard time finding *good* candidates for the job openings they have. They usually end up with someone thats "ok and hopefully we can teach them what they need to know" but would rather have someone with some experience.

Academic professional classification jobs (as this job was classified by the University) all require at least a 4 year degree. They cannot even interview you if you do not have one. It does not necessarily need to be in the field they ask for in the posting, but the HR rules are pretty strict on that. (Requiring a bachelors is pretty much the only way they could create positions for which hiring decisions are not driven by the Civil Service testing process).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 10, 2011, 08:53:23 AM
Without a degree, it's pretty bleak. Which is too bad, since I probably learned more applicable skills in the time some kids were getting a non-applicable degree with all Ds and beer kegs. Living on the road and working every job under the sun should count as an education :)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 10, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Without a degree, it's pretty bleak. Which is too bad, since I probably learned more applicable skills in the time some kids were getting a non-applicable degree with all Ds and beer kegs. Living on the road and working every job under the sun should count as an education :)

I am not denying that is quite possibly the case.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 10, 2011, 11:07:34 AM
Eh, life's not fair. I mostly roll with it, but it does get tiring when you're looking for jobs and hit a zero-tolerance hiring procedure. Not very interested in getting six figure debt (at least), working part-time while dedicating the next four years (at least) of my life to end up at 46 with job experience 4 years out of date and qualifications for an entry-level position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 10, 2011, 09:35:51 PM
I don't have a degree but I don't tell anyone that and it almost never comes up in interviews. YMMV.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 11, 2011, 08:54:27 AM
If you're getting interviewed, it probably doesn't matter as much at that point. Problem is, it's a barrier to getting an interview, I was recently passed up for a job I am perfect for, and the kid working there knew it (kid who would've been my boss to start and requested my resume). But even with 12 years professional experience (plus way more amateur experience, of course), HR wouldn't interview because I didn't have a TWO YEAR degree.  :oh_i_see:

If you guys want to know why cybersecurity is a mess, there's reason #1.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 11, 2011, 10:51:51 AM
It leads to this:

Our AD network forces an exactly 8 character long password.  Guess how hard that is to brute force?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on August 11, 2011, 11:57:19 AM
So, anyone have experience working for Amazon?  A friend of my wife has inquired if I'd be interested in working there (he recommened me for a job at Google which I didn't land, guess he's with Amazon now).  I currently like my job, but it can't hurt to look I guess.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on August 11, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
If you're getting interviewed, it probably doesn't matter as much at that point. Problem is, it's a barrier to getting an interview, I was recently passed up for a job I am perfect for, and the kid working there knew it (kid who would've been my boss to start and requested my resume). But even with 12 years professional experience (plus way more amateur experience, of course), HR wouldn't interview because I didn't have a TWO YEAR degree.  :oh_i_see:

If you guys want to know why cybersecurity is a mess, there's reason #1.
That's not reason #1 cybersecurity is a mess. It's reason #1 you didn't get a job.

Get a fucking degree.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 11, 2011, 01:18:06 PM
That's not reason #1 cybersecurity is a mess. It's reason #1 you didn't get a job.

Get a fucking degree.

Yeah, you uneducated ninny!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 11, 2011, 01:48:27 PM
Degrees are neat. I have 3.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on August 11, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
I think his point was that it might not work out in his favor for the long-term.  If you are starting in your mid-40s, taking on $50-75k when you are turning 50 likely isn't a wise idea, unless you have a degree and prospective job lined up to make that cash back in 10-15 years.  

Of course, if you can find a way to have someone else pay for it, then by all means, go for it.  See if the AARP can help out.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 11, 2011, 01:51:02 PM
Degrees are neat. I have 3.

Degrees are overrated.  I have many and bet that I make less money than nearly everyone on these forums.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on August 11, 2011, 01:53:25 PM
I think his point was that it might not work out in his favor for the long-term.  If you are starting in your mid-40s, taking on $50-75k when you are turning 50 likely isn't a wise idea, unless you have a degree and prospective job lined up to make that cash back in 10-15 years.  

Of course, if you can find a way to have someone else pay for it, then by all means, go for it.  See if the AARP can help out.   :why_so_serious:

A 2 year degree.  Isn't that an Associate's Degree? You can get that at a community college.  Comes with fries and a drink for $5.99.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 11, 2011, 01:56:21 PM
A 2 year degree.  Isn't that an Associate's Degree? You can get that at a community college.  Comes with fries and a drink for $5.99.

An online 4 year degree is only slightly more expensive and equally worthless.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 11, 2011, 01:57:04 PM
Degrees are neat. I have 3.

Degrees are overrated.  I have many and bet that I make less money than nearly everyone on these forums.

Well yeah, but they look nice on a wall.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 11, 2011, 01:59:58 PM
Well yeah, but they look nice on a wall.

Mine look great in the bottom of a box in the back of a storage closet.  I haven't seen my PhD since it was mailed to me.  I hope no one ever asks to see it.  I'm honestly not sure I even know which box it's in.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 11, 2011, 02:04:28 PM
The 2 year degree shouldn't be expensive or difficult to get, it would probably be worth doing just because of being able to get your foot in the door for things. It also means should you decide to move on to a 4 year degree you can transfer units and finish that off in another 2 years. The amount of debt you'd pick up at a state school shouldn't be anywhere near 6 figures doing the transfer thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on August 11, 2011, 02:11:07 PM
The 2 year degree shouldn't be expensive or difficult to get, it would probably be worth doing just because of being able to get your foot in the door for things. It also means should you decide to move on to a 4 year degree you can transfer units and finish that off in another 2 years. The amount of debt you'd pick up at a state school shouldn't be anywhere near 6 figures doing the transfer thing.

It still takes .... 2 years to get, and if you are looking for a job right now most likely you can't wait 2 years just to get a degree so your experience matters.  If you don't work for 2 years, the worth of your experience drops a lot.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on August 11, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
A 2 year degree.  Isn't that an Associate's Degree? You can get that at a community college.  Comes with fries and a drink for $5.99.

An online 4 year degree is only slightly more expensive and equally worthless.

Yep.  Then why all of the pissing and moaning? People know the rules of the game, so play ball or just get used to the fact that some jobs are out of your grasp.   (Not really directing this at you, btw).

Online degrees annoy the shit out of me, but if they get you in the door, you'd be a fool not to consider it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 11, 2011, 02:49:02 PM
The 2 year degree shouldn't be expensive or difficult to get, it would probably be worth doing just because of being able to get your foot in the door for things. It also means should you decide to move on to a 4 year degree you can transfer units and finish that off in another 2 years. The amount of debt you'd pick up at a state school shouldn't be anywhere near 6 figures doing the transfer thing.

It still takes .... 2 years to get, and if you are looking for a job right now most likely you can't wait 2 years just to get a degree so your experience matters.  If you don't work for 2 years, the worth of your experience drops a lot.

Community college does not take up nearly so much time that you'd be unable to work during it. Especially not as an adult.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 11, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
A 2 year degree.  Isn't that an Associate's Degree? You can get that at a community college.  Comes with fries and a drink for $5.99.
An AS for that one job. Most things I'm seeing require a BS. Even so, it's a worst-case scenario if I have to take two years off and accrue that kind of debt (tuition + cost of living, you know house and truck payments, insurance, etc) and even that is assuming I can do it full-time. Otherwise, the debt might be less but the time goes way up. And it's a mostly useless degree unless you pursue the bachelor follow-up and as I mentioned and Kail re-mentions, it's 2 years of experience stagnation.

I'm not seeing how the money and time involved are not a big deal when I'm in my forties. If I were in my twenties, I'd be living in Villingen right now.

And I did mis-type, I meant 5-figure, not 6-figure :)

Ras: sorry if it's coming across whiny, I find it more of a fascinating thing than anything, that a kid out of community college with an associate degree can get an interview over someone with a dozen years experience with exactly the right position that was told to submit a resume by the admin at a job fair I was fact-finding (not job seeking). I'd be whining if I were unemployed right now  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 11, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
I think you may be way off base on what it would take to get that AA/AS degree. At least here CA, community college is *extremely* cheap, you take the classes at night so you keep working, etc. The work won't really take you much time because you're going to be far far above the average person they're aiming it at just via life experience. Even the lower-tier state 4 year colleges here offer a lot of classes at night, when I was doing some grad work before I decided it sucked, I had a ton of classes in the evenings with people working full-time jobs. I wouldn't imagine the situation in NY to be much different.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 11, 2011, 03:28:35 PM
I'm not seeing how the money and time involved are not a big deal when I'm in my forties. If I were in my twenties, I'd be living in Villingen right now.
Speaking of, I need to get that cover letter typed up.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 11, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
Most of the tech positions I see allow for substitution of experience for college on a year for year basis.  Unfortunately most job sites don't allow for this in a job matching filter and if you don't have a degree it will not match you up, no matter how much experience you have.  The Work in Texas site is like this, on the advice of the Texas Workforce Commission people I ended up just putting down a 4 year degree on the qualifications profile page then not putting one on my resume or applications so that it would match me up for the positions I wanted to apply for.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on August 11, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
There will likely be another vacancy for a QA tester coming up soon and also a vacancy for an animator in addition to the roles I posted about earlier. If you decide to apply then hit me up via PM as I get a referral bonus if you end up getting hired.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: murdoc on August 11, 2011, 04:19:34 PM
Most of the tech positions I see allow for substitution of experience for college on a year for year basis. 

The job I current have looked at my resume this way. I'm working for a smaller (450-500 employee) oil and gas company and my boss has come right out and said that we WILL get bought out eventually and since that will happen he'll make sure I get as much training and as many certifications as I want so I can move on afterwards (I currently have no degrees and miniminal certifications - none in the field that I am currently "specializing" in)

They hired me with what they considered 10 years IT experience, which resulted in a fairly good wage, almost 6 weeks of vacation/designated days off and enough stock options that I should be mortgage and debt free within 4 years and it all started with having a good 'fit' interview with HR before I had any sort of a technical interview.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sjofn on August 11, 2011, 07:07:05 PM
A 2 year degree.  Isn't that an Associate's Degree? You can get that at a community college.  Comes with fries and a drink for $5.99.
An AS for that one job. Most things I'm seeing require a BS. Even so, it's a worst-case scenario if I have to take two years off and accrue that kind of debt (tuition + cost of living, you know house and truck payments, insurance, etc) and even that is assuming I can do it full-time. Otherwise, the debt might be less but the time goes way up. And it's a mostly useless degree unless you pursue the bachelor follow-up and as I mentioned and Kail re-mentions, it's 2 years of experience stagnation.


You should look up your local community college (in NJ I believe every county had at least one, but who knows about New York? I sure don't.). The tuition is almost certainly going to be pretty low. My local one here in CA is $24 a credit (plus about $45 in fees, although I bet the books are ridiculous, as books always are). Community colleges have the day classes for the kids that aren't going to a four year school for various reasons, but the night classes? They're exactly for people like you. Grown ups with jobs and shit to do.

Hell, you could probably take at least some of the classes online. I took a theatre appreciation course online. It was very strange. It had a forum! I had to fight the urge to flame the 50 year old stay-at-home moms for being idiots.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: sinij on August 12, 2011, 01:09:20 AM
It leads to this:

I would not recommend using this practice to set your passwords. Look up dictionary attack if you are curious why.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: sinij on August 12, 2011, 01:11:31 AM
. Most things I'm seeing require a BS.

Why not just buy a degree from a mill since you only need it to pass "degree check"?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 12, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
It leads to this:

I would not recommend using this practice to set your passwords. Look up dictionary attack if you are curious why.
:oh_i_see:



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 12, 2011, 08:57:01 AM
I have my own method.  I just thought the timing for Sky's comment was amusing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on August 12, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
Since we appear to be schilling for referral bonuses helping our online friends find work, here's the latest postings from my parent company. A lot of them are sales positions, but there are also several data and web developer spots. If anyone has experince with Siebel, we deffinitely have jobs for that.

https://tbe.taleo.net/NA11/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=MOVE&cws=1 (https://tbe.taleo.net/NA11/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=MOVE&cws=1)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 12, 2011, 09:10:02 AM
I'm seeing a disturbing lack of Vancouver in that list. Vancouver - it's Seattle without the America.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on August 12, 2011, 09:24:47 AM
I'll ignore that jab (I actually like Seattle)

I can post Vancouver jobs if you like, just thought the US ones seemed more suited to the crowd.

Let's see what we have...

http://www.topproducer.com/company/available-positions.aspx (http://www.topproducer.com/company/available-positions.aspx)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on August 12, 2011, 09:56:49 AM
Well - if you live on the East Coast between VA and NY, currently unemployed and looking for some temp work, and unafraid of 6x12 hr shifts on the other side of a union picket line, I've got an opportunity for you.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 12, 2011, 11:30:10 AM
Since we appear to be schilling for referral bonuses helping our online friends find work, here's the latest postings from my parent company. A lot of them are sales positions, but there are also several data and web developer spots. If anyone has experince with Siebel, we deffinitely have jobs for that.

https://tbe.taleo.net/NA11/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=MOVE&cws=1 (https://tbe.taleo.net/NA11/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=MOVE&cws=1)

Any idea what the backend web dev position pay range is? or even the ux director?

edit - Your company and products line up with my work experience in a pretty freakish manner.  I'd consider it if it was enough of a pay jump to cover the move and my wife's loss of job.

edit2 - I should probably quote the correct link.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on August 12, 2011, 11:44:39 AM
It leads to this:

I would not recommend using this practice to set your passwords. Look up dictionary attack if you are curious why.

The "four random words" proposal from xkcd is not vulnerable to dictionary attacks in the same way "one random word" or even "one random word transformed with some numbers and punctuation" is due to the size of the search space.  Combining a larger pass phrase and a larger alphabet (not just all lowercase characters) further increases the search space and thus the time to attack.

A good illustration of this: https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 12, 2011, 03:05:22 PM
Our AD network forces an exactly 8 character long password.  Guess how hard that is to brute force?

I am learning that AD is a pain in the ass, or maybe just Vintella, but probably AD.

Last time I was working on a degree, the online scene was a wasteland of expensive paths which could use any of my prior education history.  I might look to see what I can find now, preferably cheap and easy that I can also import much of my previous 6-7 years of college into.  In the meantime, I think I am going to lie to Dice and say I have a 4-year degree.

The reason I came to this thread, though, was that I wanted to know the best way to learn PM skills, outside OJT, without enrolling into some PMP cult.  I'm rewriting my resume for IT Architect positions and PM skills would be helpful.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on August 12, 2011, 03:11:28 PM
Have you ever had to shepherd some process or plan through planning-startup-steady state-close?  Say, planning a data centre move or upgrade?  That's project management. 

It's really ridiculously easy to see how much stuff actually fits under project management when you realize being a PM is simply head cat herder or something.  Planned a major travel vacation for a family of 5?  Completed your goals without getting DCFS or a marriage counselor involved?  That's some project management.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 12, 2011, 03:14:56 PM
Our AD network forces an exactly 8 character long password.  Guess how hard that is to brute force?

Given that by default AD puts you in a 10 minute lockout after 5 incorrect entries it really isn't a big deal. Unless you've got that turned off *and* have some front facing place that uses an AD login, I wouldn't worry about it.

EDIT: I would add though I don't know why your Windows people would change it from the default on max password length.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 12, 2011, 03:25:31 PM
Have you ever had to shepherd some process or plan through planning-startup-steady state-close?  Say, planning a data centre move or upgrade?  That's project management. 

It's really ridiculously easy to see how much stuff actually fits under project management when you realize being a PM is simply head cat herder or something.  Planned a major travel vacation for a family of 5?  Completed your goals without getting DCFS or a marriage counselor involved?  That's some project management.

Oh, believe me, I know that and I do a lot of it.  Primarily because the HP PMs are all doofuses, while I am not nearly as much of a doofus.  Interestingly, the weekend that caused me to finally decide to get out of here was a datacenter migration of the single most important SAP system in the corporation.  The PM on that... sheesh.

The main reason I am asking is because there is a position which prefers "Familiarity with Project Management methodologies and tools" and I was suddenly suspicious.  Tools?  I can run a project, have done it before and will likely do it again unless I get fed up and leave this job to become a professional basketweaver, but I use MS Excel;  not MS Project if I can avoid it.  I now suspect that there is some set of codified principles, much the way Kepner-Tregoe codifies common fucking sense for problem solving, and ITIL codifies all the boring shit it codifies.  I can give a nod and dismissive hand-wave regarding KT and ITIL, but I want to make sure I know what I'm being dismissive of before I try it with PM.

Basically I want to know where the Cliff Notes are for the PMP cert.  I don't need the PMP cert, I just need to know how to talk about PM stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 12, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
EDIT: I would add though I don't know why your Windows people would change it from the default on max password length.

Somehow, UNIX compatibility springs to mind. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 12, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
Ah, it must suck having to worry about that.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 12, 2011, 04:20:54 PM
Basically I want to know where the Cliff Notes are for the PMP cert.  I don't need the PMP cert, I just need to know how to talk about PM stuff.
Just cruise the Adobe Live Cycle and IBM's site skimming for buzzwords until your mind melts.  It's all about mastering the art of managing production w/o knowing how to produce anything.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on August 12, 2011, 04:39:31 PM
If you can find a study guide for PMBOK*, or something that explains it, I'd just read that over and get the basics terminology down.

Now I'm curious who the PM was, because I worked with a few based out of Marietta and some of them were.. yeah..  :uhrr:

The PM tool that we use around here, besides MS Project Server, is.. common sense?  I'm not sure what else someone would be talking about, although there is other PM software out there besides PS, but I've not been exposed to any of it.  

Not sure how you feel about Linkedin, but there are some PM related groups there which can have decent information as well.

*Project Management Book of Knowledge


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 12, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
Heh, if you want me to talk about people, PM or email me. :oh_i_see:

Also thanks for the advice.  I'll see if I can find stuff on PMBOK.  I know I can do the work, but it's about convincing others that I can do it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 12, 2011, 06:47:52 PM
Well - if you live on the East Coast between VA and NY, currently unemployed and looking for some temp work, and unafraid of 6x12 hr shifts on the other side of a union picket line, I've got an opportunity for you.



lol


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 12, 2011, 11:48:22 PM
Heh, if you want me to talk about people, PM or email me. :oh_i_see:

Also thanks for the advice.  I'll see if I can find stuff on PMBOK.  I know I can do the work, but it's about convincing others that I can do it.

Send me a PM, I can send you copies of the powerpoint shit from my PM class. It covers all the PMBOK buzzword stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on August 14, 2011, 01:26:04 AM
So, anyone have experience working for Amazon?

me


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 20, 2011, 12:08:42 PM
Verizon strike is over.  Our employees return on Tuesday.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 20, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
Got a friend of mine in Atlanta who is looking for a tax associate. If you are a CPA type who wants a job doing taxes, that's open.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 20, 2011, 08:15:48 PM
Verizon strike is over.  Our employees return on Tuesday.

Results? Employees forced to capitulate on everything? Actual compromise?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Tannhauser on August 20, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Union took a 15% pay cut but each member gets to mount the T-Mobile girl.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on August 20, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Verizon strike is over.  Our employees return on Tuesday.

Results? Employees forced to capitulate on everything? Actual compromise?

Nothing but management speak on the official internal channels, so it'll probably show up in the news before employees actually are informed of anything.   Short form is that some progress and compromises were made that that the Union felt comfortable enough in working without a contract (technically under the terms of last years contract), until they can come to an agreement on the new one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 21, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Union took a 15% pay cut but each member gets to mount the T-Mobile girl.

Worth It!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 21, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
Verizon strike is over.  Our employees return on Tuesday.

Results? Employees forced to capitulate on everything? Actual compromise?

Union asked to come back to work.  There were 2 options - let them come back under a return to work agreement or perform a lockout.

Company really could have gone either way.  It was decided to let them come back under Verizon terms.  In a nutshell - They are not allowed to call another strike for 30 days and must submit 7 day notice before going back on strike, old contract is in effect for the time being, and no amnesty (this is a big one) for actions taken during the strike.  

http://www.cwa2202.org/pdf%20files/Agreement[1].pdf  ->may have to copy/paste this into your web browser

Bargaining is exactly where it was at 2 weeks ago (before strike started).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 21, 2011, 09:15:38 AM
That agreement doesn't look horrendous. However, what sort of "misconduct" are we talking about?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Tannhauser on August 21, 2011, 09:59:59 AM
My understanding is that VZ tried to cut pay and benefits so they went on strike.  Now pay and benefits are unchanged while they negotiatie, so it seems to me like VZ blinked.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on August 21, 2011, 02:16:09 PM
That agreement doesn't look horrendous. However, what sort of "misconduct" are we talking about?

Cheddar's got better info going than I do, but if I had to guess, it's probably a reference to various incidents of sabotage or the like during the strike.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 22, 2011, 06:57:38 AM
My understanding is that VZ tried to cut pay and benefits so they went on strike.  Now pay and benefits are unchanged while they negotiatie, so it seems to me like VZ blinked.

Negative.  The union came to the table asking if they could come back to work - we agreed as long as they signed the return to work agreement stated above.  You have to have a contract otherwise it opens up bad stuff when things are finally settled.

The no amnesty means those who commited sabotage will not be allowed to slide (cutting cables, burning CO's, physically assaulting contingent workers/management).  Historically the company has been forced to provide amnesty as part of the settlement.  The actions from a small sector of the union were extremely egregious. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2011, 09:20:20 AM
The no amnesty means those who commited sabotage will not be allowed to slide (cutting cables, burning CO's, physically assaulting contingent workers/management).  Historically the company has been forced to provide amnesty as part of the settlement.  The actions from a small sector of the union were extremely egregious. 

As much as I'm normally a pro-Union guy, I'm actually 100% OK with the above, especially the assault bits.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 22, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
As much as I'm normally a pro-Union guy, I'm actually 100% OK with the above, especially the assault bits.

Ironically, managing in a Union Environment has made me nuetral with regards to my feelings for the Union.  There are tons of pro's and con's.  Before, when I was on the other side, I had negative feelings towards them.

One of the older ladies I worked with a couple years back was spit on and knocked down/stepped on during the recent events.  Police had to intervene - I am 100% pleased there is a no amnesty clause.

Some of the events are even falling under an official FBI case.  This go round was incredibly bad. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 22, 2011, 10:50:05 AM
Unions are always seen as one of those carpetbagger things round these parts.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on August 22, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Along with books, science, and de-segregation.










 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 22, 2011, 10:45:35 PM
HEY! The Bibles a book, and I'm pretty sure guns run on science.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 25, 2011, 05:53:36 PM
I AM OFFICIALLY SKY JR. NOW!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 25, 2011, 05:55:40 PM
I AM OFFICIALLY SKY JR. NOW!

Congrats, try not to get any hairspray on the library terminals.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on August 25, 2011, 08:19:49 PM
I AM OFFICIALLY SKY JR. NOW!
YAY!  Congrats, Chimpy!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 25, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
Whats up with this HR recruiter calling me, setting up a time to chat, I confirm, never get confirmation back, and then she doesn't call? 2nd time now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 25, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
I had the opposite problem recently when interviewing people for a position - half of the candidates who confirmed for interviews never showed.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 25, 2011, 09:26:16 PM
I AM OFFICIALLY SKY JR. NOW!
Woohoo! I hope you get as much satisfaction out of the job as I do. Nice to spend all day helping people in the community, even if they don't appreciate it 90% of the time.

And I haven't worn hairspray outside of that one summer in 1987...that unfortunately was the same summer senior pictures for the yearbook were taken  :rock:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 25, 2011, 09:26:45 PM
I had the opposite problem recently when interviewing people for a position - half of the candidates who confirmed for interviews never showed.  :headscratch:

That is odd .. too many interviews to go to?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 26, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
I might decide I don't want to interview after I have already committed, but I think it is nice to tell someone.  I'm probably different.  I also have a hard time lying in interviews, which seems to hold me back a lot.

I'm getting a lot of hits on things I do not want to do.  This has cut down a bit after I rewrote the resume to be for IT Architect instead of AIX/TSM/SAP/ORA/etc senior admin.  After poking around and having a phone interview, I find that even senior admin work is now bullshit, shlepping bits around on a schedule and other drone work.

Meanwhile, I am gradually letting go of the lower echelons of SA work in my current spot.  Instead, I am doing engineering/architect work as much as I can, including sending instructions to contractors instead of doing it my damn self, being vague with my advice and suggestions, telling people I don't have time to put out their particular fire (I don't, actually, unless they are friends or strategically important), writing process docs, telling people how things really should be done, and stroking my goatee while thinking of radical infrastructure redesigns to streamline and automate the enterprise.

So far, so good.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 26, 2011, 08:28:41 AM
I might decide I don't want to interview after I have already committed, but I think it is nice to tell someone.  I'm probably different.  I also have a hard time lying in interviews, which seems to hold me back a lot.
I'd rather be honest.  My difficulty is actually being honest with myself though, as I tend to drastically understate my capabilities.  At least if they contact my references they'll gush for me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 26, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
I seem to switch between "No, I've never done that... or that... or that..." and "No, but how hard could it be?"  I don't know how well people react to the second one, whether it is true or not.  I think I am awesome but I don't know how to convince other people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 26, 2011, 08:51:31 AM
On that I try to emphasize I've worked with a bunch of different systems over the years and I'm good at picking things up.  That's really what problem-solving in IT is about.  You may not *know* something, but you can figure it out quickly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 26, 2011, 09:02:35 AM
On that I try to emphasize I've worked with a bunch of different systems over the years and I'm good at picking things up.  That's really what problem-solving in IT is about.  You may not *know* something, but you can figure it out quickly.
Word.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 26, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
I had the opposite problem recently when interviewing people for a position - half of the candidates who confirmed for interviews never showed.  :headscratch:

That is odd .. too many interviews to go to?

I guess so - if there's that many open sysadmin jobs in Houston, then maybe I need to put my resume out there...

On that I try to emphasize I've worked with a bunch of different systems over the years and I'm good at picking things up.  That's really what problem-solving in IT is about.  You may not *know* something, but you can figure it out quickly.
Word.

Have you heard about the bird?  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 26, 2011, 10:24:57 AM
Papapaoomamowmow.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 26, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
So now I am really, officially, going to be Sky jr. (I just passed the mandatory piss test).

Start the day after labor day.

Now to find a full time day job and I will be able to dig myself out of the debt hole I landed in from 2 years of underemployment followed by 8 months of unemployment!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 26, 2011, 12:07:28 PM
I find it ironic that I stopped smoking pot after I got a job that doesn't test for drugs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 26, 2011, 04:51:14 PM
On that I try to emphasize I've worked with a bunch of different systems over the years and I'm good at picking things up.  That's really what problem-solving in IT is about.  You may not *know* something, but you can figure it out quickly.

See, you are the type of person I would hire.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 26, 2011, 10:39:44 PM
Me too, but it's hard to show that on a resume that can get past HR's keyword-based cock block.

Edit: also, everyone says they learn fast, but few actually do  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 27, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Edit: also, everyone says they learn fast, but few actually do  :awesome_for_real:

Someone that can problem solve AND has a good work ethic is the rarest of the rare.  I hope that you find someplace that appreciates the skills you have Viin. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: naum on August 27, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
Edit: also, everyone says they learn fast, but few actually do  :awesome_for_real:

Someone that can problem solve AND has a good work ethic is the rarest of the rare.  I hope that you find someplace that appreciates the skills you have Viin. 

Often, it all depends upon the context.

In my XP, in most corporate IT settings, at least on development/systems support side, departments have been whittled away, cheaper labor brought in (either via outsourcing or importing non-immigrant visa workers or even a famous IT contractor like scuttling experienced personnel in favor of cheaper younger workers who might possess certificates and knowledge but know little of how these systems at the company are utilized).

So you have a survivor mentality bunker set of those who are able to linger on, and they guard their "subject matter expertise" deftly, only willing to aid those that have favor with them. Others simply have to wait in queues or are thrown roadblocks.

Yes, any aspiring IT worker should be able to figure out the score and reverse-engineer without human help, but often, in these silos, even access is guarded those eager to go above and beyond thwarted.

Also, some people "learn fast" in those realms they take an inkling to, and if it's something completely foreign, without a helpful nudge here and there from a more seasoned (and willing!) professional, can end up total failures, even with all the "can do" bravado and "going the extra mile".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 28, 2011, 01:49:28 PM
In most large organizations the IT department does everything it can to thwart innovation, they have ceased to become problem solvers and become the guardians of the status quo.  This isn't entirely as horrible as it sounds since I can imagine very few IT disasters worse than thousands of employees given free rain to implement their own innovative solutions.  Apparently obtaining some sort of happy medium is harder than it sounds.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 29, 2011, 08:11:57 AM
There is a balance between maintaining vendor support and not rolling out new tech every month.

I'm not terribly worried about teaching people things because many of them are terrible at it.  Someone who can't ever be bothered to read the documentation I sent out the day before is not a threat to my job.  Also, as far as I know, mentoring is still something employers look for, at least in senior positions.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 29, 2011, 09:11:40 AM
We're having fun dealing with Xerox right now. These chuckleheads aren't even reading the contract summary they walk in the door with. "Oh, you have a coin box" Yeah, maybe if you had read that before you drove an hour to tell me you can't do anything with a coin box. Then send a guy two weeks later who has to sit for five hours on his cell phone because he doesn't know what to do.

Copier still isn't properly configured, it's been a month and a half now. Sat in a corner for the first month. Four guys have worked on it.

I want to go work for Xerox. Sounds like easy money to me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 29, 2011, 01:54:11 PM
/me welcomes Lantyssa to the dark side.   :drill:

More proof that mead > cookies.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 29, 2011, 03:45:36 PM
Hey boss. o7

Guess my f13 reading might drop a bit. ;D

(To be fair, it's damn good mead.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 29, 2011, 05:56:25 PM
Wait.. Lant is working for Min now?

YOUR WORLDS ARE COLLIDING. DON"T YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxuYdzs4SS8

The death of F13 Lantyssa, that's what!!

Ed: seriously tho, grats Lant. I know you were worrying.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 29, 2011, 06:28:08 PM
The stress relief is unbelievable.  For the first time in a year I'm not fretting what the next year holds.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 29, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
So you make Mead now? I'm confused. That doesn't seem like IT.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE???


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 29, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
Of course not.  Making mead is man's work; she's the Mead Wench.  Probably in a costume much like her avatar.  /sagenod


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 29, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
The stress relief is unbelievable.  For the first time in a year I'm not fretting what the next year holds.

First time I've heard the words "stress relief" involved with taking a job at a collection agency.  Unless you're drinking the mead on the clock...   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 29, 2011, 07:17:13 PM
I would probably get a lot of relief if my job involved hitting people with a pipe and taking their stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 29, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
I would probably get a lot of relief if my job involved hitting people with a pipe and taking their stuff.

Oh man, that is great.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on September 05, 2011, 02:40:51 PM
Fuck working on a resume is so awful.

THE WORST!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 06, 2011, 04:55:25 PM
Off to first evening as Sky Jr.

Hope I don't do something stupid!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on September 06, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
Off to first evening as Sky Jr.

Hope I don't do something stupid!

Don't burn it down. The rest is probably just gravy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 06, 2011, 09:09:09 PM
So yeah, the Library has a fancy "Denver International Airport" kind of book return conveyer/sorting system with RFID chips in every book. Getting my Tour tonight I lok up as soon as we get in the basement (where the sorting room is) and every 4th ceiling tile is out of place.

Apparently it "loses" small/thin children's books on occasion and people need to go spelunking in the ceiling to find them. Heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 07, 2011, 07:12:34 AM
Hey boss. o7

Guess my f13 reading might drop a bit. ;D

Grats on the new position! 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on September 07, 2011, 09:35:55 AM
I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on September 07, 2011, 09:45:11 AM
I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

Which one? And congrtas on offer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on September 07, 2011, 11:40:09 AM
So yeah, the Library has a fancy "Denver International Airport" kind of book return conveyer/sorting system with RFID chips in every book. Getting my Tour tonight I lok up as soon as we get in the basement (where the sorting room is) and every 4th ceiling tile is out of place.

Apparently it "loses" small/thin children's books on occasion and people need to go spelunking in the ceiling to find them. Heh.
Welcome to library tech (well, really most tech imo). An expensive solution that ends up being a giant pain in the ass, but you're married to because it was Expensive, so Deal With It. I bet someone went to a seminar (aka sales pitch) and thought it Looked Cool. And buzz words were unleashed like a motherfuckin' lead farmer.

Do you get to work with the public or is it all staff support. The staff support tends to be overall less stressful, but helping the public is way more rewarding. I can't count how many people in a dozen years I've helped connect with distant family, get a job, start a business, defend themselves in court, etc. Wonder what they'll do when we shut down.

Not to mention the pure fun stuff like being able to turn people on to new music, games and books.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 07, 2011, 12:15:37 PM
I will mainly be doing staff/backend support but I will be cross trained in the basics to help patrons if they stop me as I am passing through (or if they need help when busy).



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 07, 2011, 12:48:54 PM
I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on September 07, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!

I read that as a porn position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 07, 2011, 06:03:44 PM
I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on September 07, 2011, 06:10:28 PM
I've listed as goals, "To become the world's tallest midget porn star" and see if the idiots in HR ever read the stuff.  It went threw and when I did a self review I gave myself a "goal not met, still amateur status".  I got a chewing by my manager over that one :D

The best though was I had to do incident report after incident report after I got beat up.  I finally took a box of crayon's and drew a 17 page report and turned it in, you should have seen the risk manager about die when she was reading one report in a meeting.  We were all in the meeting and she flips over a typed page and there was my crayon report  :drill:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6186/6124996031_9eed2be47d.jpg)

I doubt it will be any less crazy people.  I've got some updating to do on the the other thread.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MuffinMan on September 07, 2011, 06:32:58 PM
I just got back from interviewing for a PRN position at the hospital across town, the director up'ed the ante, and offered me a full time and will make the pay better.  I'm gonna wait till i see the written offer before I jump to a new hospital, but it is new and has more staff.

If it has fewer patients that are amateur boxers, I say jump all over it!

I read that as a porn position.
Better to get beat off than get beat on.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on September 07, 2011, 06:41:06 PM
I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

What sort of security clearance are we talking about - a real Secret/Top Secret clearance, some pseudo-clearance like Public Trust, or the fake private sector background checks pretending to be a security clearance?

My last three jobs have all required some sort of clearance, but I would only refer to the one I got for my current job as an actual security clearance.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on September 07, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
That is awesome Jimbo.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on September 07, 2011, 07:14:19 PM
I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?
Depends on the level.  The lowest ones are pretty simple to obtain, the highest ones are not horrible if you've been "mostly" a good little citizen and what you haven't been good on you are up front and don't lie about on your paperwork (they WILL find out if you lie).  A good portion of what they are looking for is things you can be blackmailed with, so being upfront about all of that prevents that issue.  The backup to get one can take a good 6-18 months last I heard...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on September 07, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
Certainly depends if we're talking federal or not.

I think my initial TS clearance came back in less than 100 days.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on September 07, 2011, 09:38:11 PM
I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.

Secret/ top secret/ top secret sci?
Impossible in most cases unless the position and employer require it and the employer is willing to pay to foot the bill.

Its why most contractor employers want to hire someone already with the clearance. Substantially lowers their screening and hiring cost.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on September 07, 2011, 09:49:56 PM
One reason I was pissed the position with the security firm fell through, they were going to pay for my secret clearance, dammit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: naum on September 08, 2011, 03:41:37 PM
I've listed as goals, "To become the world's tallest midget porn star" and see if the idiots in HR ever read the stuff.  It went threw and when I did a self review I gave myself a "goal not met, still amateur status".  I got a chewing by my manager over that one :D

A good friend once went in for an interview after securing a another job (but did not know for 100% certain) and then when asked "where do you see yourself in 5 years?" he responded with "on a beach, sipping a pina colada, with $250K of the company's money in my bank account"… …if anyone else would have told me this, I would call BS, but this guy, I believe it because I sat next to him once in a VP meeting where he repeatedly yelled/proclaimed at a VP over us what a "piece of shit" a development project she commandeered was as she repeatedly and gently exhorted him to "assume positive intent" and that "we don't speak negatively and put down each other" -- the exchange went on for at least 10-15 minutes, with roughly those same phrases repeated back and forth (and the dozen others seated, completely mum, stunned, yet remaining poker faced)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 08, 2011, 03:53:02 PM
The job descriptions I have read do not specify clearance level; I haven't called anyone about one of these yet, I am just asking in general terms.  Considering my line of work, however, I can guess that it would be whatever level is required for handling of data considered secret by the government.  Not the sort where I will be out in their field, killing their dudes, but I can't rule out "top".  I gather it takes money in addition to paperwork, and you guys make it sound like something I would require sponsorship to get.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on September 08, 2011, 03:55:05 PM
Impossible in most cases unless the position and employer require it and the employer is willing to pay to foot the bill.

Actually, this is true if the question is, "I want to get a clearance for myself, how hard is it?"  There has to be need and "I would like sometime in the future to have a job that requires a clearance." isn't a demonstrable need.

If the question is, "If I'm hired for a job that requires a clearance how much of a hassle is it?"

The answer is, it depends on the level of the clearance.  For a lot of things all it involves is a simple credit check.  For others it requires 10 years of full history or even a lie detector test.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 08, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
I'm not worried about the hassle, except that it would be nice to have one already if I wanted a job that required one.  Sounds like this isn't possible, though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on September 08, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Wrong thread.  NM.

Thanks for the well-wishes a few back, Nebu.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on September 08, 2011, 05:51:03 PM
The job descriptions I have read do not specify clearance level; I haven't called anyone about one of these yet, I am just asking in general terms.  Considering my line of work, however, I can guess that it would be whatever level is required for handling of data considered secret by the government.  Not the sort where I will be out in their field, killing their dudes, but I can't rule out "top".  I gather it takes money in addition to paperwork, and you guys make it sound like something I would require sponsorship to get.

Right.  You cannot just shell out x amount of dollars and then get one.  There is a process of sponsorship/cost involved (for the company).

Generally its easier to get a job with a lower clearance as the cost ramps up astronomically for the sponsor involved.  BUT - once you have a clearance it makes the higher ones slightly easier (cost/time) to get as you have maintained one along with not needing to repeat certain steps.

Up to secret is not too bad - its the TS ones that can give you the creeps.  Like them contacting your third grade teacher or buddy you haven't seen in like 10 years.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on September 08, 2011, 06:07:25 PM
Up to secret is not too bad - its the TS ones that can give you the creeps.  Like them contacting your third grade teacher or buddy you haven't seen in like 10 years.

Truth - TS can get pretty...involved. For instance, they dug back a few years to a job I had at a Walgreens for a few months. Agent briefly mentioned that he spoke with someone that I worked there with. The weird part was that the person he mentioned I had only worked with...for a day. A single day.

Granted, I also went to HS with the person (she was a year behind, only had 1 class together), but it made me really curious as to how they even dug her up.

Personally, I wouldn't sweat the process much if you don't have anything to hide. But do not be surprised if they're talking to folks who you have not even given as contacts (I'm sure this is by design) - during my initial check, I noticed that a coworker of mine had a card from an Agent on her desk (she was a bit of a slob, so I'm sure she wasn't supposed to have the card sitting out for me to notice). And seeing as the card had the agent's full title/agency, it was pretty simple to surmise that my check was somehow involved.

While I wish they hadn't spoken to this person (untrustworthy, a bit of a dunce), it obviously had about zero impact.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on September 08, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
I have read one or two job descriptions which want a security clearance.  How difficult are these to obtain?

Also, working with the public is very far from rewarding.  Not any reward I want,at least.

Depends on how high.

If you go this route, answer honestly. Unless you're going to have to talk about the harvested organs you keep in your refrigerator for special dinners.

[edit] Everyone already said this. But TS? My neighbor once was considering a very TS job with cryptographical elements. Two men in black types came to talk to *us* and it was very very thorough--who came to his place, did we ever hear funny noises, did we see his wife very much, did they seem to have a normal sex life, were we sure he had no more and no less money than he seemed to have, and so on. I wouldn't have answered a thing except he was very serious about considering the job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 08, 2011, 06:40:48 PM
Wrong thread.  NM.

Thanks for the well-wishes a few back, Nebu.

Wrong thread, NM.  I think I've been there.  It's near Truth or Consequences. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: climbjtree on September 13, 2011, 10:39:36 PM
Even still, if you're up for a TS clearance you shouldn't sweat the fact that agents are interviewing prior acquaintances. It's just as awkward for your old stoner buddy as it is for you; they probably don't want to talk to The Man anyway, and certainly not about anything they could possibly be connected to.

Edit: Grammar hard.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 14, 2011, 07:44:03 AM
I'm not worried.  Worst thing I did was get picked up for public intox during college.  In any case, I would get it or not, nothing to cry over.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 10, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
Quote
Job Description:
Hello, Please find the JD for FTE position UNIX Admin. Location : Albany,GA Qualified candidate must have US citizenship . The successful candidate must have or be able to obtain a Secret Clearance.

SEE!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on October 10, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Oh, Secret is worlds easier than TS or TS-SCI.

You might as well give it a shot, see what they say.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on October 11, 2011, 03:10:37 AM
As long as you have nothing you are ashamed of, secret is easy to get.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on October 11, 2011, 05:26:34 PM
As long as you have nothing you are ashamed of, secret is easy to get.

Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 11, 2011, 07:19:15 PM
There's a big difference between "ashamed of" and "criminal".

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on October 11, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.

Um, I think it'd a tad more involved than that.

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.

Is this snark? I have no idea what kind of salary those sorts of jobs command.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on October 11, 2011, 08:30:44 PM
Yep. Basically just a criminal records check.

Um, I think it'd a tad more involved than that.

I don't want the job anyway.  $85k for admin work, bleh.

Is this snark? I have no idea what kind of salary those sorts of jobs command.

No, Yes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on October 11, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
Do you think it depends on the agency doing the check?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2011, 01:47:54 PM
I'm trying to get out of UNIX administration and into IT architecture.  I could make lots more money (LOTS as in DOUBLE current) if I wanted to do short-term contract work with 70-hour weeks, but I don't.  I also don't want to do similar work for less money, that's dumb.  Apparently I already am in "obscene income" territory anyway.

The senior UNIX admin contractor seems to be getting about $65 per hour these days.  This could be a W2 position with a contracting firm, but it won't have health insurance.  I mostly pay attention to AIX but there is also some enterprise linux and HPUX out there, maybe a few poor Solaris bastards too.  When I ask for more than $65 I get nowhere. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 12, 2011, 01:55:16 PM
This seems backwards.  It's certainly not my experience.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2011, 02:42:54 PM
Which part is backwards?  Wanting to be an IT Architect?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 12, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
No, if you WANT to do it, you go for it.

But Architecture for flashing boxes is fast falling by the wayside all over in the UK and niche markets, like Unix and other smaller and easier (and cheaper installations) are starting to demand Niche pricing which means our UNIX geeks are getting much more contract money.

So, I'm surprised that it's the case as you say;  But in 100% honesty, if you WANT to do something, pursue it with all your might.  I've currently 'settled' because I kinda had to and it fucking SUCKS.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on October 12, 2011, 03:36:49 PM
What I keep hearing here is that admin jobs are all going away to managed services and you have to become an architect to survive, but I am mostly hearing this from people selling managed services, so grain of salt and all that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2011, 04:01:35 PM
To be clear, what I really want is to not be on call every five weeks or robbed of a weekend every month.  I've managed to get to a nice mental place with my current job, and I generally keep myself inside normal business hours, but there's that annoying bit where I'm constantly pestered every time something breaks.  Makes it hard to engineer things, or accomplish anything that takes more than a single workday.

Architect spots are hard to find, although by architect I'm specifically meaning someone who develops new solutions and sets standards while lesser techs do the implementation.  Not necessarily the seagull consultant.  It's that, or enter management.  Which might happen anyway, since finding a job that pays more is going to be extremely difficult in the current climate unless I go the contract SA route.  But I feel like I'm too old for that shit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 12, 2011, 04:10:55 PM
Yeah, ok.  I wouldn't call that an Architect as such.  But Good Luck.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2011, 06:24:10 PM
What would you call it?  I might be using the wrong term.  I really want to look for "whatever is the next step above UNIX/storage administrator".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 12, 2011, 06:27:49 PM
Depends but Systems Analyst is one title.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2011, 08:51:30 PM
Yep, that's a good one.  I might throw that into the resume and see what happens.  Probably lots of travel. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 13, 2011, 05:05:30 AM
Yeah, Systems or Business Analyst (IT) would be that over here.  Basically, the chap who does the process review and says 'Right, Build this.'

It's what I do just now, strangely.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on October 13, 2011, 09:03:57 AM
Yeah, Systems or Business Analyst (IT) would be that over here.  Basically, the chap who does the process review and says 'Right, Build this.'

It's what I do just now, strangely.


Its what my wife did. Working between the business users and the IT builders.
Now she runs the teams that do this.
She does it as a consultant though, not for one specific company.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 13, 2011, 09:13:10 AM
finding a job that pays more is going to be extremely difficult
Pay is not always in dollars. Sure, it's tough making chump change here in bumfuck, nowhere. But I can make ends meet with a little leftover for hobbies and vacations, I work a 35 hour week, 9-5 M-F and my weekends are my own, with decent benefits and federal holidays. Something I remind myself of every time I look at jobs around there area, I could make more money but I'd be much more miserable.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 13, 2011, 09:27:08 AM
Amen to that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2011, 10:31:23 AM
finding a job that pays more is going to be extremely difficult
Pay is not always in dollars. Sure, it's tough making chump change here in bumfuck, nowhere. But I can make ends meet with a little leftover for hobbies and vacations, I work a 35 hour week, 9-5 M-F and my weekends are my own, with decent benefits and federal holidays. Something I remind myself of every time I look at jobs around there area, I could make more money but I'd be much more miserable.

I agree completely, which is why I'm not going for the $65x70 week jobs.  I've told people for years that money isn't everything... although the wife disagrees. :oh_i_see:  On the other hand, I want my wife to stop working and for that I need more income.  I'm still not willing to kill myself for it, though.

Yeah, Systems or Business Analyst (IT) would be that over here.  Basically, the chap who does the process review and says 'Right, Build this.'

It's what I do just now, strangely.

Awesome, I'll update the resume.  I already do a large amount of this in my current role, I just don't have the force of title to go with it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on October 13, 2011, 11:21:18 AM
The agency I work for here in SW Florida is seeking a computer programmer (MySQL, MSSQL, PHP, C#, .net) and a basic computer technician (nothing network admin level type...we've got about 700+ computers and 300+ laptops that need to be cared for 24/7).

PM me if you want specifics.  

Edit: Side-note, I had the computer tech position for four years.  Was fun, but got burned out fixing spy-ware all the time  :awesome_for_real:.  Still, I assure you the benefits are decent and it'll look good on your resume to have worked at my particular agency.  :grin:

Edit #2: It's two separate jobs...we're not looking for some uber tech that can do it all  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
Edit #2: It's two separate jobs...we're not looking for some uber tech that can do it all  :oh_i_see:

Sure you're not.  That might save lots of health insurance costs. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on November 03, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
So I finally managed to pass my French exam today, which means my French is now Government Approved...whatever that means.

Well, it Does mean that I can finally proceed to my next position in wonderful...Cotonou, Benin. So, if you for some reason find yourself in that isolated part of the world...say hi.

Just do me a favor and don't get locked up, critically ill/injured, or die in the middle of the night.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 03, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
Sounds like a f13 drunken knife fight night in Cotonou, Benin is in order!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on November 03, 2011, 11:42:19 PM
You guys pay for the grossly overpriced flight, I'll supply the house.

I mean, to be fair...you're all paying for it anyway.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on November 04, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Did you know Benin has an annual Voodoo Day? How awesome is that!



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 04, 2011, 11:30:56 AM
Just do me a favor and don't get locked up, critically ill/injured, or die in the middle of the night.
Doing those things during the day is okay?  You just don't want to have to get out of bed, right?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on November 04, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
To my fellow Canucks in the GTA area, my work is looking for a Senior Technical Analyst who has experience with PeopleSoft. I could probably dig up a Job Description for the position if anyone is interested. Pay at our company is above average, benefits are decent and the workplace is pretty laid back.

If you're interested, PM me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on November 04, 2011, 06:54:24 PM
Did you know Benin has an annual Voodoo Day? How awesome is that!

No, but I did know that they're the birthplace of Voodoo, with the largest market in West Africa (or perhaps all of Africa).

Just do me a favor and don't get locked up, critically ill/injured, or die in the middle of the night.
Doing those things during the day is okay?  You just don't want to have to get out of bed, right?

Yes - Please keep it to business hours.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 04, 2011, 08:46:49 PM
PeopleSoft again? Turnover much? :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on November 18, 2011, 01:03:16 PM
Does anyone have any contacts at En Masse Entertainment?  I just applied for a support position here in Seattle and would appreciate a reference if anyone has one.  Even if it is just to ensure my resume is looked at, that would be great.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on November 18, 2011, 04:59:51 PM
So, like, ding.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on November 18, 2011, 05:13:58 PM
grats



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on November 18, 2011, 05:53:13 PM
Time for the traditional celebratory impregnation, right?  :drillf:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on November 18, 2011, 07:18:44 PM
So, like, ding.

Grats! What lvl? Were u kiting wyverns?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on November 18, 2011, 07:27:40 PM
Time for the traditional celebratory impregnation, right?  :drillf:

Already done. 

So, like, ding.

Grats! What lvl? Were u kiting wyverns?

It was surprising and... I dunno.  Humbling, actually.  Is that possible when you move to the next level?

I honestly am not sure what to think at this point.  What I will say is this - I have a ton of work ahead of me.

So, yeah, kited a ton of wyverns and now doing the kill ten rats quest.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 21, 2011, 08:41:31 AM

It was surprising and... I dunno.  Humbling, actually.  Is that possible when you move to the next level?


Yes.  You do, however, have to get over it QUICK.  It doesn't help.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 21, 2011, 09:21:10 AM
I'm wondering if I will find the middle between unworthy and authoritarian mindsets.  Maybe when I retire.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sand on November 21, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
Just a heads up.
Pricewaterhouse Coopers has a lot of IT jobs posted across the country right now. Both in and outside of the healthcare field.

https://sjobs.brassring.com/1033/ASP/TG/cim_searchresults.asp?partnerid=25163&siteID=5463&AgentID=8058388&Function=runquery

http://jobs.pwc.com/careers/it-jobs

They pay well and my wife likes working for them.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on November 21, 2011, 09:40:02 AM
PeopleSoft again? Turnover much? :oh_i_see:
Nah, we're just understaffed right now. There's only 18 people in our company and we have 4 support clients and something like 10 consulting clients.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on November 21, 2011, 02:08:20 PM
Time for the traditional celebratory impregnation, right?  :drillf:

That was my assumption.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on November 21, 2011, 04:25:42 PM
Time for the traditional celebratory impregnation, right?  :drillf:

Already done. 

Oh, Ched. Your spawn will cover the earth, won't they.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 21, 2011, 08:02:59 PM
Give it a couple of generations and we can all claim to be related because of Chedder's brood.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on November 21, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Give it a couple of generations and we can all claim to be related because of Chedder's brood.

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 22, 2011, 07:33:51 AM
I'm going to opt out of that cabal. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on November 22, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
Cheddar is rolling out his genetics faster than they're rolling out FIOS.

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on November 22, 2011, 09:34:36 AM
How many iterations is he up to now?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on November 30, 2011, 01:19:57 PM
Amazon is hiring for Social Games Innovation.  Need developers, artists, other.  More detail on technical other (e.g. Sys Eng, DBA, QA, Test Eng) in the new year.  PM me for any info.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on December 01, 2011, 04:31:39 PM
Here is the complete list:

Open Requisitions (www.amazon.com/jobs (http://www.amazon.com/jobs))

•   Senior Product Manager, Social Games Innovation (ID 144621)
•   Game Developer - Back End (ID 147869)
•   Development Manager, Social Games (ID 151412)
•   Technical Program Manager, Social Games (ID 158653)
•   Senior Game Artist (ID 151249)
•   Database Administrator, Social Games Innovation (ID 160570) new
•   Quality Assurance Engineer, Social Games Innovation (ID 160569) new
•   Systems Engineer, Social Games Innovation (ID 160571) new
•   Software Developer in Test, Social Games Innovation (ID 160568) new
Upcoming Requisitions: UI/UX Designer (2)

PM me for any info.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on December 01, 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Heh, looks like Amazon is looking to develop stuff for the Fire.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on December 23, 2011, 06:05:37 AM
While the majority of you are geeks or executive types, I know we've got a few creative types here. (Sam & Bloodworth spring to mind.)

Please share this with your creative-type friends.  Particularly the Interiors and Graphics types.   Company's text below.

Quote
Looking for a new role in the New Year? My company FRCH Design Worldwide is hiring new design talent. Check out our website at www.frch.com and click on We’re Hiring to find out more details. Reference my name when you apply.

http://www.frch.com/
FRCH Design Worldwide is an international architecture and design firm serving the retail, entertainment, restaurant, corporate office and hospitality markets. The firm offers architecture, interior design, graphic design and brand strategy to help create distinct customer experiences.

Our most recognizable designs (IMO) are: The new Steak 'n Shake next to Ed Sullivan Theater, Hilton Garden Inn, MGM: Monte Carlo Suites, Taco Bell & KFC's new prototype designs & First Financial Bank's prototype design.




Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 03, 2012, 10:13:41 AM
I suddenly need a CompTIA Security+ cert and wondered if anyone here had any tips on reading material.

I managed to get 47% correct on the practice test just from guesswork.  Whee security!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on January 03, 2012, 10:22:17 AM
I suddenly need a CompTIA Security+ cert and wondered if anyone here had any tips on reading material.

Sky took that one recently. I found when I was prepping for the Net+ that the ExamCram series was very good at covering what was on the test. Also had a nice crib sheet included.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 03, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
Sky took that one recently. I found when I was prepping for the Net+ that the ExamCram series was very good at covering what was on the test. Also had a nice crib sheet included.

Kindle version is $15.92 so that's what I'll get.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on January 03, 2012, 10:44:05 AM
I suddenly need a CompTIA Security+ cert and wondered if anyone here had any tips on reading material.
I'll have to grab the titles when I get home. Main thing was practice exams, I was constantly hunting for fresh ones. Ten days before the test I did a 10-day trial of the safari bookshelf (O'Reilly) and got a few more tests from books on there.

It was actually pretty easy, I got a 94% on it and I'm a dumbass working at a podunk library that barely uses any of the tech involved. One book came with certblaster software which was pretty brutal the first take; much tougher than the actual test with a few trick questions (I don't remember any tricks on the actual test). Almost every test software and book had a bunch of errors, though. That would really suck if you don't have the material down, I was able to spot most of the error (I think), which I guess is good in that I knew enough to know it was wrong.

Wish I had taken it a couple months earlier to get the lifetime cert  :mob:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on January 03, 2012, 11:40:53 AM

Wish I had taken it a couple months earlier to get the lifetime cert  :mob:

Did they change them to three years or did they keep with their original plan to gouge people once a year for re-certs?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on January 03, 2012, 12:55:38 PM
Three years.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 09, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
Hindsight reveals that putting my phone number on the resume was a bad idea.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 09, 2012, 04:05:01 PM
Hindsight reveals that putting my phone number on the resume was a bad idea.
Hah!  I made that mistake once.  One recruiter even did some research into who I was and where I was working, and started calling the desk phone of my current employer.  I was not kind to them over that one.

My current girlfriend is having a bear of a time finding work.  Plenty of interviews, zero response to whether she got the job or not.  It's nice to see that it isn't just the tech sector that has that problem...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 09, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
Plenty of interviews, zero response to whether she got the job or not.

That's pretty standard across the board these days. If you got it, you'll hear within two weeks. If not, you'll never hear anything from them ever again.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 09, 2012, 04:16:43 PM
Whatever happened to the fine art of just saying "sorry, someone else got it" when you lose out?  I still have my rejection letter from Schlumberger, which I framed.  The only company out of the dozens I interviewed with to officially tell me no.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on January 09, 2012, 04:27:28 PM
I just got an offer letter today, finally!  Pretty sweet deal, overall.  Not exactly the kind of work I want to do, but the schedule is setup to work around school and is flexible for our family.  Most money I've ever made, too.  It's for a pretty big web presence and I'm studying development, so its kiinda win-win.  Go me!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on January 09, 2012, 04:38:31 PM
I got an offer letter last week that I turned down. Not going back to first line call center work for less than I make as a temp at the University no matter how good the company's benefits are and how much room for growth there is.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on January 09, 2012, 04:57:15 PM
Not sure how it works for other companies - but putting your resume into the system will sometimes get you a surprise interview, even when it does not post externally.

I know I get them periodically when looking at my choices on who to interview.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 09, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
Whatever happened to the fine art of just saying "sorry, someone else got it" when you lose out?  I still have my rejection letter from Schlumberger, which I framed.  The only company out of the dozens I interviewed with to officially tell me no.

The internet took it out back and shot it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 09, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
The internet took it out back and shot it.
My rejection letter was from 2002.  Plenty of online\internet interviews and whatnot going on then, so I'm not sure I necessarily blame the internet...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on January 09, 2012, 06:50:05 PM
I still have mine from PETA.  Most interesting interview, ever.  But was nice they took the time to send the letter.   :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on January 09, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
I got an offer letter last week that I turned down. Not going back to first line call center work for less than I make as a temp at the University no matter how good the company's benefits are and how much room for growth there is.

Amen. Call center crap is crap. I started there and I'd rather be homeless than go back to it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 09, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
The internet took it out back and shot it.
My rejection letter was from 2002.  Plenty of online\internet interviews and whatnot going on then, so I'm not sure I necessarily blame the internet...

I meant more of the mentality. Everything changed when businesses went paperless.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on January 10, 2012, 05:55:31 AM
Try getting some people to return a call instead of chaining email responses sometime.   People like their quasi-anonymity, even when signing their name to every single missive. 

I'm as guilty of it from time to time as anyone but a 5 min phone call is better than 20 damn e-mails.  If you need it in written form to cover your ass, send me a damn summation e-mail saying "per our conversation, here's our current status." or some such.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on January 10, 2012, 06:39:32 AM
The agency I work for here in SW Florida is seeking a computer programmer (MySQL, MSSQL, PHP, C#, .net) and a basic computer technician (nothing network admin level type...we've got about 700+ computers and 300+ laptops that need to be cared for 24/7).

PM me if you want specifics.  

Edit: Side-note, I had the computer tech position for four years.  Was fun, but got burned out fixing spy-ware all the time  :awesome_for_real:.  Still, I assure you the benefits are decent and it'll look good on your resume to have worked at my particular agency.  :grin:

Edit #2: It's two separate jobs...we're not looking for some uber tech that can do it all  :oh_i_see:

This post is once again valid.  The agency is seeking fresh blood since apparently either the last bit didn't cut it or the older blood had a falling out  (seriously, I don't know  :why_so_serious:)  Regardless, two positions are open again, one for computer programming and one for computer fixing.  PM me for details if interested.  Applications must be in by Jan. 23rd.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Johny Cee on January 10, 2012, 09:22:20 AM
My company is hiring professional cake decorators in a couple of different major US and Canadian cities right now. 

I imagine that isn't particularly helpful with the normal skill set on this board.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 11:24:48 AM
Fuck that, I have an art degree. I'll decorate a fucking cake. Where can I sign up? Does it pay more than unemployment?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on January 10, 2012, 11:46:09 AM
Fuck that, I have an art degree. I'll decorate a fucking cake. Where can I sign up? Does it pay more than unemployment?

Schild; have you considered applying for the graphics position with my firm? I don't know if you're qualified but hey better to try than not.
Here it is again.

http://www.frch.com/us/about/careers.aspx
Quote
Graphic Designer - Cincinnati, OH

We are currently searching for an innovative, highly creative Graphic Designer who is self-motivated and excited to work with a diverse base of specialty retail clients. Experience in designing retail environments is a plus. Candidates must have the ability to include concept design, development and documentation in their work, with demonstrated abilities in conceptual ideation, rendering and presentation skills, an understanding of graphic design within 3D environments as well as high proficiency in Photoshop, Illustrator, and Indesign.  We are looking for individuals with strong problem solving and decision-making skills as well as a true passion for creative design and all things retail. This position offers tremendous opportunities for involvement with a wide variety of clients and project types that range from fashion and themed retail to entertainment destinations, restaurants, beauty, and everything in-between.

    3 to 5 years of proven experience supporting client and vendor relationships from the Conceptual Phase through Design Development and Fabrication
    Strong working knowledge of Adobe Creative suite
    Understanding of the use of graphic design in 3D environments
    Degree in Graphic Design or similar field
    Sketch-Up and print production skills a plus


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 10, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
I get lots of offers for jobs that would be "great" if I didn't already have a job or was single.  It's the job-hunt variant of Diablo loot, and I need higher than blues.  If anyone here has any idea about UNIX, a job is waiting for you somewhere.  True, mostly it is contract work but if you're out of work then why not?  Hell, fake it for a few weeks and get some cash.  Trust me when I say anyone of reasonable intelligence can probably stay in one of these positions for a few weeks before they escort you out... and then you have some experience!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 10, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
I get lots of offers for jobs that would be "great" if I didn't already have a job or was single.  It's the job-hunt variant of Diablo loot, and I need higher than blues.  If anyone here has any idea about UNIX, a job is waiting for you somewhere.  True, mostly it is contract work but if you're out of work then why not?  Hell, fake it for a few weeks and get some cash.  Trust me when I say anyone of reasonable intelligence can probably stay in one of these positions for a few weeks before they escort you out... and then you have some experience!
lol it's like programming in the 70's except back then you could fake it for 6-12 months.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
Fuck that, I have an art degree. I'll decorate a fucking cake. Where can I sign up? Does it pay more than unemployment?

Schild; have you considered applying for the graphics position with my firm? I don't know if you're qualified but hey better to try than not.
Here it is again.

http://www.frch.com/us/about/careers.aspx
Quote
Graphic Designer - Cincinnati, OH

We are currently searching for an innovative, highly creative Graphic Designer who is self-motivated and excited to work with a diverse base of specialty retail clients. Experience in designing retail environments is a plus. Candidates must have the ability to include concept design, development and documentation in their work, with demonstrated abilities in conceptual ideation, rendering and presentation skills, an understanding of graphic design within 3D environments as well as high proficiency in Photoshop, Illustrator, and Indesign.  We are looking for individuals with strong problem solving and decision-making skills as well as a true passion for creative design and all things retail. This position offers tremendous opportunities for involvement with a wide variety of clients and project types that range from fashion and themed retail to entertainment destinations, restaurants, beauty, and everything in-between.

    3 to 5 years of proven experience supporting client and vendor relationships from the Conceptual Phase through Design Development and Fabrication
    Strong working knowledge of Adobe Creative suite
    Understanding of the use of graphic design in 3D environments
    Degree in Graphic Design or similar field
    Sketch-Up and print production skills a plus
Would far prefer to stay in Austin.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Speaking of Austin, we were rated as the best city to get a job in, or at least, the highest jobs available rate.

So, if anyone wants to be a contractor that pays less than unemployment here (I know, right) or work in the service industry, Austin is THE place for you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 10, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
Speaking of Austin, we were rated as the best city to get a job in, or at least, the highest jobs available rate.

So, if anyone wants to be a contractor that pays less than unemployment here (I know, right) or work in the service industry, Austin is THE place for you.

It just took us 4 months to find a semi-qualified candidate for a 50k a year government job, I think you are being a bit melodramatic.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 07:01:49 PM
Point me to the government job posting.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Johny Cee on January 10, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
Fuck that, I have an art degree. I'll decorate a fucking cake. Where can I sign up? Does it pay more than unemployment?

Unfortunately, right now we're looking in Philly, NYC, Chicago and Montreal, and you have to already be in the field (3-5 years experience).  Besides, I would have to resist the urge to prank you.  It sucks being Comptroller without any direct minions to do my dirty work.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on January 10, 2012, 08:15:15 PM
Speaking of Austin, we were rated as the best city to get a job in, or at least, the highest jobs available rate.

So, if anyone wants to be a contractor that pays less than unemployment here (I know, right) or work in the service industry, Austin is THE place for you.

Bioware:Austin has like 30 open jobs posted on the ArsTechnica job board. Sorting by city there is also an Android UI engineer at some place called "Mutual Mobile".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
Heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 10, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
Point me to the government job posting.

We filled it 3 months ago, all state jobs are listed on TWC, the hardest part is filling out the 10 page state application.  Look for Web Administrator, Programmer and Systems Analyst positions.

edit: The austin php meetup board (http://www.meetup.com/austinphp/messages/boards/) usually has many postings as well.  The Expression Engine/Codeignitor group (http://www.meetup.com/ee-ci-atx/) hasn't been around nearly as long but some fun folks there too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
I am not a coder, unfortunately. I gave that up because I hated my fellow students. They were awful.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 10, 2012, 09:33:54 PM
I have interviewed for several Web Administrator positions where all they wanted was a grammar/format nazi to paste content into a CMS that was already in place.  State Systems Analysts seem to vary quite a bit and range from implementing off the shelf software, writing specs and or just documenting shit.  Most stuff firmly reporting to IT has the unspoken mission statement of "be sure and throw up enough red tape to make sure nothing changes ever", so for example if you are a project manager your unspoken mandate is to write a spec in a way to make the project so complicated as to require it be outsourced if it happens to get approved anyway.  Plus much of the state shit is like a decade behind the current trends and you really wouldn't have to be much of a coder to pull that off.

edit: Shit the comptrollers office is so paranoid that they don't even let their Web Administrators III's ($65k/yr and up) do server side code, prerequisites are basically CSS and HTML.  Tons of good that did them since some dumb shit went ahead and parked sensitive data on an unsecured ftp site anyhow.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 10, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Ok then. This is good to know. Would I enjoy such a position or would my coworkers be awful, lifeless people where I'd make every attempt to work from home if possible?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 10, 2012, 09:39:25 PM
Ok then. This is good to know. Would I enjoy such a position or would my coworkers be awful, lifeless people where I'd make every attempt to work from home if possible?

Varies, I've met some good people but shit definitely floats to the top and it can be frustrating dealing with ignorant policy and decision makers.  On the one hand it can be soul sucking on the other hand I get paid to do shit that no one in their right mind would ever pay for if they actually had to foot the bill.

edit: oh yeah and you leave on time every day on the nose, you take lunch every day, you never get hassled for calling in sick (accrue 8 hours a month and you never lose it), and take you vacation with no worries about a job being there when you get back.  Any looming deadlines generally take a back seat to all of the above.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 11, 2012, 08:10:32 AM
State jobs are really comfortable.  I miss mine, things just got completely untenable where I was, unfortunately.  Regardless, if you can put up with the system it's a great way to make a living.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on January 11, 2012, 10:42:25 AM
Ah, but you get a terrific front-row seat for teh crazy where you are now.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on January 11, 2012, 11:10:46 AM
We are hiring a new UI artist. Flash and Scaleform stuff mostly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: proudft on January 11, 2012, 12:58:24 PM
Flash and Scaleform you say?




Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 11, 2012, 01:39:10 PM
lol it's like programming in the 70's except back then you could fake it for 6-12 months.

Well timeframe varies by intelligence and guile.  I am trying to compensate for the fact that I've been doing AIX for 15 years (large scale corporate for 12) and it's probably second nature, so what seems like cake to me might baffle someone else.  But really, if you are out of work there's no reason you can't install CentOS on a PC and run through some exercises, then make bold exaggerations on your resume about how much RedHat you can do.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 11, 2012, 02:23:46 PM
https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/30142

See here's a job posting I could do *and* bullshit if I wanted. It pays roughly double unemployment but comes with the added benefit of potentially giving presentations to executives? For $30 an hour max? I'm sorry, but is this what we've come to? Executives that will take advice from a Magic Player who reads shit on the internet and makes $30 an hour?

Also, hourly jobs are ballshit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on January 11, 2012, 02:31:40 PM
For that price, the only presentations they should get are your unwashed ballsack.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 11, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Agreed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on January 11, 2012, 02:36:45 PM
Unemployment pays 30k a year?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 11, 2012, 02:37:22 PM
$28.8k to be precise.

Edit: Oh, and thanks to our wonderful governor, Rick Perry - I can suck that teat for 2 years.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on January 11, 2012, 02:38:05 PM
Shit, that's more than I got when I was on unemployment 15 years ago. Maybe twice as much.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on January 11, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
$28.8k to be precise.

Edit: Oh, and thanks to our wonderful governor, Rick Perry - I can suck that teat for 2 years.

Hell, I worked my ass off for 30k a year for years.  Enjoy it while you can.  Get a PO Box and a passport and go hitch-hike across Europe working in Hostels or something, you're still young enough to get away with it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Johny Cee on January 11, 2012, 02:48:44 PM
Shit, that's more than I got when I was on unemployment 15 years ago. Maybe twice as much.

 :facepalm:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on January 11, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/30142

See here's a job posting I could do *and* bullshit if I wanted. It pays roughly double unemployment but comes with the added benefit of potentially giving presentations to executives? For $30 an hour max? I'm sorry, but is this what we've come to? Executives that will take advice from a Magic Player who reads shit on the internet and makes $30 an hour?

Also, hourly jobs are ballshit.

Doesn't look that bad to me. It's not exactly a management position, so you would be supporting those activities not doing them all yourself. Besides, BSA is a good start to into higher-level business positions. Unemployment is a poor start to anything.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on January 11, 2012, 03:00:47 PM
 :geezer:
Shit, that's more than I got when I was on unemployment 15 years ago. Maybe twice as much.

 :facepalm:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 11, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
I wonder how much the project managers that I deal with take in.  Hopefully about $25 per hour or less.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on January 11, 2012, 03:11:45 PM
I wonder how much the project managers that I deal with take in.  Hopefully about $25 per hour or less.
Not if they get paid anything close to what the PMs here are making.  Some are making some nice change.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 11, 2012, 03:17:31 PM
I wonder how much the project managers that I deal with take in.  Hopefully about $25 per hour or less.
Not if they get paid anything close to what the PMs here are making.  Some are making some nice change.

This saddens me deeply.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on January 12, 2012, 09:42:44 AM
If I could get 30k in unemployment for two years, I'd be unemployed for two years A LOT.

I don't make much more than that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nija on January 12, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
Shit, that's more than I got when I was on unemployment 15 years ago. Maybe twice as much.

It matches up with inflation perfectly in that case.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Dtrain on January 12, 2012, 12:55:24 PM
As someone who recently had a 6 month unemployment adventure in Houston (same state, different planet, although we did just recently get a Torchy's,) I have some insight to share.

My big mistake: working a 1 day temp assignment to gain cache with an agency. The unnemployment office will shut your payments down unless you make a new application - which of course takes 2 to 3 weeks to start. You can try to temp your way out of unemployment, but you should only take a job with an extended contract to start with. You don't want to have to continually update your last employer.

My big success: find a less desireable job with a long training period and good benefits, with some sort of clearly defined advancement potential. Slam out a few easy certs on the company dime, and either get promoted or get out before the grind sets in. About to wrap up my CCNA and execute the final step of my master plan. :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 12, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
(What's a Torchy's and should I be excited about this?)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 12, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
As someone who recently had a 6 month unemployment adventure in Houston (same state, different planet, although we did just recently get a Torchy's,) I have some insight to share.

My big mistake: working a 1 day temp assignment to gain cache with an agency. The unnemployment office will shut your payments down unless you make a new application - which of course takes 2 to 3 weeks to start. You can try to temp your way out of unemployment, but you should only take a job with an extended contract to start with. You don't want to have to continually update your last employer.

My big success: find a less desireable job with a long training period and good benefits, with some sort of clearly defined advancement potential. Slam out a few easy certs on the company dime, and either get promoted or get out before the grind sets in. About to wrap up my CCNA and execute the final step of my master plan. :grin:
I will not do any work for a company unless I'm getting paid under the table or I immediately become a full time employee. Unemployment is too good in Texas.

Torchy's is the second best taco place in Austin. The first place being Taco Deli. Now, Torchy's Tacos are better than Taco Deli's, except they are missing one thing. Doña Sauce. The sauce at Taco Deli makes it better than ALL OTHER tacos. Anywhere. In the US. Period. Or at least Florida, Virginia, Maryland, Arizona, New York, California, and Texas.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on January 12, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
Wow, seriously balking at $30/hour? :oh_i_see:

And FYI, most government jobs are technically hourly, even up to very high levels. Salaried pay is only better, IMO, if you somehow manage to consistently work less than the normal 40-hour work week. At least for me, I don't see that ever happening.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on January 12, 2012, 04:44:52 PM
There's no inherent benefit to being salaried over being hourly, other than the general tendency for salaried jobs to be more 'important'.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MuffinMan on January 12, 2012, 04:47:33 PM
(What's a Torchy's and should I be excited about this?)
Started as a taco trailer here in Austin and is now expanding to Dallas and I guess Houston. Yes, you should be excited. I can't drive by the Torchy's near my apartment without stopping.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on January 12, 2012, 04:57:10 PM
There's no inherent benefit to being salaried over being hourly, other than the general tendency for salaried jobs to be more 'important'.

There is an inherent benefit to being hourly over being salaried though.  That is you get paid for the hours you work, so if you work more hours you make more money.

I'm not sure why being salaried is seen as more prestigious.  Really, it sounds like some kind of a con.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 12, 2012, 05:14:26 PM
It's a lot harder to fire a salaried employee. Particularly when said employee works 40 hours per week. I've never had a job that I absolutely had to work overtime on as I work ruthlessly fast and efficiently. In multiple companies now, whenever asked to work overtime, I ask why? If the answer is anything but "because I'm a bad manager who fucked up and managed things poorly," I don't work overtime. There's no incentive. I'm not hauling their ass out of the fire. I'm a fantastic employee but I make people solve their own problems when there's no immediate gain for me. Besides, management is easily replaced.

Now, if I took an hourly job, I'd have incentive to work overtime at a loss to free time, which I don't particular want to do. Also, firing an hourly employee is as easy as snapping your fingers. They get no severance, nothing. You just walk them out.

"Right to Work" is a law in most states and most companies can fire you, but it's simply harder to penalize a salaried employee in any way. It's double hard to not give them severance should you want to get rid of them.

Finally, overtime is bullshit. America already works more hours on the whole than ANY other 1st World Country. It's absolutely pandemic in software, which is a shame. The vast majority of The GrindTM is due to managers and producers having no clue how to make schedules or how long it takes to actually deliver a product. If tech weren't filled with such starfucking, greedy, and socially inept idiots "The Grind" would cease to exist overnight. Shame the third point there will keep them from ever unionizing. Yes, I just said every software developer here who is willing to put in overtime is basically broken, as a person.

tl;dr: Salary is about security. Hourly is about making an extra buck here and there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Dtrain on January 12, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
(What's a Torchy's and should I be excited about this?)

Over on S. Shepard. Great tacos. Try the dirty sanchez, or the trailer park - I prefer it trashy (with queso.) The queso is good, and I generally hate tex mex as a rule. Also, who can resist frried cookie dough?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on January 12, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
Unless you belong to a unionized 'classified', aka hourly worker in a public sector job, such as a University. Then its arguable that salaried positions are less secure, because firing a unionized person is hard as heck.

At the University of Washington, for instance, being salaried essentially means two things; you can be overworked without the possibility of complaint and your job is less secure and financially stagnant. No raises in years due to the economic crunch the UW is in. You can also be far more easily terminated as a 'Professional' staff member, aka salaried. On the other hand, unionized workers have mandatory raises every year, position increases on a time-served scale, and no possibility of overtime without compensation. Also, proving a union worker isn't doing their job is nothing short of a Supreme Court case.

Pro staff get more vacation time, but the truth of it there's no realistic way to actually spend it, so it turns out about the same in my case. My GF is pro staff, I'm classified. She earns about 2 k more a year than I do.

That said, yes, Pro staff have more prestige, and are therefore considered first for promotions to higher paid positions, especially towards managerial positions. Thankfully, I'd rather my eyeballs be paper cut with my 1044 than ever be a manager of anything.

It probably varies from state to state, from institution to institution, so ymmv.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on January 12, 2012, 05:53:13 PM

Torchy's is the second best taco place in Austin. The first place being Taco Deli. Now, Torchy's Tacos are better than Taco Deli's, except they are missing one thing. Doña Sauce. The sauce at Taco Deli makes it better than ALL OTHER tacos. Anywhere. In the US. Period. Or at least Florida, Virginia, Maryland, Arizona, New York, California, and Texas.

Man, I should have taken you to Guedo's sometime. It was probably only about 15-20mins from your house when you were in AZ.  Their tacos. Goddamn.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 12, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
It's a lot harder to fire a salaried employee. Particularly when said employee works 40 hours per week. I've never had a job that I absolutely had to work overtime on as I work ruthlessly fast and efficiently. In multiple companies now, whenever asked to work overtime, I ask why? If the answer is anything but "because I'm a bad manager who fucked up and managed things poorly," I don't work overtime. There's no incentive. I'm not hauling their ass out of the fire. I'm a fantastic employee but I make people solve their own problems when there's no immediate gain for me. Besides, management is easily replaced.

I think your outlook kinda sucks, tbh. The whole "I'm smart and good, and you're a dumbass manager," thing happens everywhere. In fact, I guarantee you that every person who's ever worked in any company or a bunch of companies has stories about stupid managers. Every CEO who didn't start their own company has those stories.

I guess when I read this, there's about a million warning bells going off in my head as to why not to hire you if I'm looking. I mean, maybe that's a condition of the industry you're in, but if that's how you interact with your management or people you work with, that's kinda shitty.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 12, 2012, 06:20:04 PM
Good managers I work well with, bad managers I work poorly with. Shocking.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 12, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
Good managers I work well with, bad managers I work poorly with. Shocking.

I guess, it just comes off like that whole paragraph was very me-first-fuck-you, which probably wasn't your intent.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on January 13, 2012, 06:23:21 AM
There's no inherent benefit to being salaried over being hourly, other than the general tendency for salaried jobs to be more 'important'.

There is no benefit to being salaried vs. hourly, in fact it's often a detriment.

Some of you really don't live in the real world, having been in IT all this time.  I can't think of a salaried position I know of where I worked 40 hours. Nor can I think of a salaried person who ONLY worked 40 hours and survived any round of cuts.  Most places expect 45-50 hours per week minimum.  That's 6 1/4 - 12 1/2 weeks of free work a year. Suddenly your $50k year a job is paying you an hourly rate equivalent to $40k.

A salaried position isn't any more secure than an hourly.  You can cut an hourly worker's  hours to save money, you often have to cut the position on a salary.

Salaried positions are more prestigious because you're the guy making the decisions and with the responsibility.  It reflects a professional rather than a support position.  The salary is supposed to reflect that (but often doesn't.)

Both pale in compensation to being an utter cockwrench able to sell shit to anybody.  Want to make bank? Be a salesperson.  Even bad ones pull down at least $65k in the Midwest where the average compensation is around $30k.  Proven sales record? Unemployment is never a concern.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on January 13, 2012, 06:45:47 AM
Good managers I work well with, bad managers I work poorly with. Shocking.

I guess, it just comes off like that whole paragraph was very me-first-fuck-you, which probably wasn't your intent.

In the current market, it's actually a sensible way to be.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on January 13, 2012, 08:01:01 AM
Having spent the last couple years in the lowest tiers of management, I've come to realize some things about managers. These oppinions are based primarily on my manager and some of the other lower tier managers around me:  Most of the lowest tier managers' time is spent trying to make sense of the bullshit passed down by upper tier managers, and if they don't, its the guys at the bottom who take the blame. There are idiots in every role and every position, but upper management is ripe with it. At the bottom of the totem pole, your role is to make your department look good by getting the most out of your employees. At the top of the totem pole, your role is making yourself look good by fiddling with numbers and metrics until you do.

As for sales, which I've also done - yes its a great way to make money if you are good at it. Also the most stressful, bullshit job ever invented. Salespeople are easy to replace - its not like they are expected to actually know anything about what they sell or anything. If you meet quotas - you get year end trips to Cabo. If you don't, well, maybe the guy we hire next week will instead.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 13, 2012, 08:32:08 AM
I'll second Ironwood's second of Schild's lack of time for bullshit.  Of course, there is a middle ground.  Why did I get a pay raise from a company that doesn't hand out raises, after a year in which I mostly stuck to my rule of not working outside the 9-5 timeframe?  I'm not entirely sure but I think it has something to do with being a team player, while at the same time avoiding work that I do not want to do.  In fact, I'm looking for things to do that are outside the definition of my job slot (for my own benefit of course), and it seems to be working out.  I'd like to think my management sees the type of work I am doing and has assigned some importance to it, but who knows?  In any case, I'm doing things that I want to do and that will help me out in the next job slot.  Seems to be helping the account as well. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
My original response to Paelos was "You're a bad manager, aren't you?" Not because he's necessarily a bad manager but because a lot of people become bad managers simply due to hiring Yes-Men and sycophant retards who will lick all the balls to move up the ladder. Personally I'd want people that challenged me and did things right while busting my balls when I did things wrong.

But that's probably why I'm not a manager, I don't kiss nearly enough ass. Ok, any ass. I don't kiss ass ever. I've never actually applied for a job I well and truly wanted because every company has skeletons in the closet and some measure of retard at at least one of the wheels - and I make it a point to tell them that I don't accept incompetence in my superior or inferiors, and most companies love hearing that. "This guy is no-nonsense straight to business, whoop whoop." Unironically (to me, at least), no company yet has failed me in making those same people interviewing me being the incompetent ones. This is NOT even remotely constrained to the gaming industry. Shit rises to the top in business because upper management of most medium to large companies would rather have lapdogs than individuals. That's fine, but let's stop pretending this isn't a *problem.*

Business in America didn't get to where it was today because of people like me. It got to where it is due to a combination of greed and survival skills. Not talent and eagerness to challenge oneself.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 13, 2012, 09:11:28 AM
I admit, I'm not interested in a challenge.  Well, unless it's fun or profitable somehow, since I did teach myself Perl for no real reason, but those days are gone I think.  Middle ground, I guess.  I might angrily call out someone for doing something badly, but I will then turn around and calmly+nicely help fix the problem.  The core issue is that I don't care for much beyond my own professional integrity, not being inspired by my organization and all.  I may chit-chat (light sucking-up) because that's something you have to do and frankly it costs me nothing to engage in friendly conversation with anyone.  Also it might get me something.  Nothing wrong with the Schild method, you seem to have success with it.  I might be farther along if I adopted a more aggressive stance, but who knows?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 09:14:08 AM
I'm not even looking to get further along, I'm just hoping to not work with people who don't deserve the oxygen around them.

Most days, I feel like I'm asking too much.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2012, 09:49:19 AM
My original response to Paelos was "You're a bad manager, aren't you?"

Not a manager at all. I'm a CPA so I do my own thing in a small company. I'm part sales, part customer service, part technical expert, part tech support, and part resolution department. Every boss I've had has been brilliant at something, and horrible at something else. What I've been good at is identifying what the boss didn't do well, and making a point of stepping in for that area. That has yet to fail me.

It's not about kissing ass, unless you consider developing some modicum of repore with your superiors kissing ass. What I'm hearing from you sounds pretty immature tbh. I mean you can get in line with the other people who think they are better than working for certain jobs if you like, or you can run your own company. That would probably be my advice to you. If you're excellent at what you do and can't stand working for stupid people, work for yourself.

Otherwise, get over it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on January 13, 2012, 09:55:32 AM
I admit, I'm not interested in a challenge.  Well, unless it's fun or profitable somehow, since I did teach myself Perl for no real reason, but those days are gone I think.  Middle ground, I guess.  I might angrily call out someone for doing something badly, but I will then turn around and calmly+nicely help fix the problem.  The core issue is that I don't care for much beyond my own professional integrity, not being inspired by my organization and all.  I may chit-chat (light sucking-up) because that's something you have to do and frankly it costs me nothing to engage in friendly conversation with anyone.  Also it might get me something.  Nothing wrong with the Schild method, you seem to have success with it.  I might be farther along if I adopted a more aggressive stance, but who knows?

You sound like me.  Is this an age thing then ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 10:10:02 AM
My original response to Paelos was "You're a bad manager, aren't you?"

Not a manager at all. I'm a CPA so I do my own thing in a small company. I'm part sales, part customer service, part technical expert, part tech support, and part resolution department. Every boss I've had has been brilliant at something, and horrible at something else. What I've been good at is identifying what the boss didn't do well, and making a point of stepping in for that area. That has yet to fail me.

It's not about kissing ass, unless you consider developing some modicum of repore with your superiors kissing ass. What I'm hearing from you sounds pretty immature tbh. I mean you can get in line with the other people who think they are better than working for certain jobs if you like, or you can run your own company. That would probably be my advice to you. If you're excellent at what you do and can't stand working for stupid people, work for yourself.

Otherwise, get over it.
More than likely, the problems in tech don't really exist in CPA land. That being that managers in tech, unless naturally talented, are horrendous managers and never receive the training they need. There are good managers out there, but for the most part, they got there by being good at X, so they were promoted to Y, and no longer do X.

That's a problem.

As for myself, while there are people like you, who are maybe willing to "step up" and fill in for a role their manager is good at, I'm not about to step up and fill in for the management part of a managers roll. The American credo of "Do the job you want, not the one you have" is way, way, way too "Work above your pay grade for me." Simply saying that likely makes me unemployable at a lot of companies. These are companies I wouldn't want to work at to begin with. If you wanted me to do Y job, you shouldn't have hired me for X. I'll go way above and beyond in my role, but I draw the line at doing some or even part of someone else's job. At least until that person gets shitcanned.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on January 13, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Some of you really don't live in the real world, having been in IT all this time.  I can't think of a salaried position I know of where I worked 40 hours. Nor can I think of a salaried person who ONLY worked 40 hours and survived any round of cuts.  Most places expect 45-50 hours per week minimum.  That's 6 1/4 - 12 1/2 weeks of free work a year. Suddenly your $50k year a job is paying you an hourly rate equivalent to $40k.

These salaried people you speak of? They work for the wrong fucking companies. Really. I've worked for those wrong companies. The company I've worked at for 12 years now as a salaried worker (ad/marketing agency) rarely ever asks me to work overtime and when they do, I'm usually either compensated with a small bonus (rare) or I get some flex hours somewhere when the crunch is over. I think I've had to work overtime/weekends less than 20 times in my entire 12 years here. When crunches come, we've even hired freelancers to make sure the workers don't have to work overtime, weekends or holidays, or at least minimize that off time spent working. Part of it is that my immediate manager is also my friend of almost 20 years but it's also because when the timeline gets fucked, it's not usually his fault. It's either the client being goddamn insane or somebody between the client and the work that fucks something up.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2012, 10:41:08 AM
As for myself, while there are people like you, who are maybe willing to "step up" and fill in for a role their manager is good at, I'm not about to step up and fill in for the management part of a managers roll. The American credo of "Do the job you want, not the one you have" is way, way, way too "Work above your pay grade for me." Simply saying that likely makes me unemployable at a lot of companies. These are companies I wouldn't want to work at to begin with. If you wanted me to do Y job, you shouldn't have hired me for X. I'll go way above and beyond in my role, but I draw the line at doing some or even part of someone else's job. At least until that person gets shitcanned.

I'm not even exactly sure what you do. It's not coding, but what is it?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 13, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
I'm not even looking to get further along, I'm just hoping to not work with people who don't deserve the oxygen around them.

Most days, I feel like I'm asking too much.

You totally are.  I have this discussion with my wife since she refuses to believe that she is above-average intelligence, and also refuses to believe that means most people are stupider than her.  Even if you were of average intelligence, half the people you meet will be dumber than you.  Also remember that for every genius, there's a raging idiot out there somewhere, undoing his work.

Also the Peter Principle is real.  I'd use this to my advantage, but that damn professional pride I have gets in the way.  Although I think I have figured out how to use it and also continue doing good work, although that's not really the same principle.

Schild, you really need to work for yourself.

You sound like me.  Is this an age thing then ?

I assume age (possibly maturity!), plus too much time under the corporate hammer.  I decided to work with the system instead of against, and I sleep better.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 10:48:49 AM
As for myself, while there are people like you, who are maybe willing to "step up" and fill in for a role their manager is good at, I'm not about to step up and fill in for the management part of a managers roll. The American credo of "Do the job you want, not the one you have" is way, way, way too "Work above your pay grade for me." Simply saying that likely makes me unemployable at a lot of companies. These are companies I wouldn't want to work at to begin with. If you wanted me to do Y job, you shouldn't have hired me for X. I'll go way above and beyond in my role, but I draw the line at doing some or even part of someone else's job. At least until that person gets shitcanned.
I'm not even exactly sure what you do. It's not coding, but what is it?
Sheeit, I'll give you a full rundown:

Two years at CompUSA, was headhunted for a new Best Buy flagship store.

Five years of Best Buy. They asked me to be a store manager in lieu of going to college. Shot that down quick.

Two years at Bang & Olufsen. I worked alongside a crazy dude from Ghana and a vegan weird chick. The whole thing was bizarre. The dude bashed a thief in the back of the head with a remote control though and ripped the license plate off his car. Anyway, that job was crazy.

One year at Big Huge Games. My manager there made me not want to work in the gaming industry again. Started f13 shortly before starting there.

The rest of college was odds and ends jobs, full-time but nothing important.

Three years at GoDaddy. This is where I had my best manager, but worst upper management. I was one of, if not the top salesperson my entire time there. I made unbelievable money doing it. Came in late every day and left pretty much whenever I wanted. Absolutely hated the job though. Looking back, I think I was good at the job because I'm confident enough to always sound right even when I was making shit up about things I'd never even heard of, whatever.

One year and change at Challenge Games, which turned into a little under two more years with the big Z (so three total). Did Game Design at both.

Once again, I find myself not wanting to work in the gaming industry again.

Edit: I should point out, while I've spent an abnormal number of years in sales, it's because I'm good at it. I can sell shit in my sleep. I hate it, but it's the one job I've found where when I come in and do the job, no one gives me shit for anything else. When you're above average at sales, you have the run of a place. Job fucking sucks though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 10:51:22 AM
To answer your question specifically, I was CompSci in college, until I met other coders. So, I suppose I'd be a dev of some kind if devs in general were tolerable people. Protip: They're not. The ones on f13 are the minority of a minority.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 13, 2012, 10:55:00 AM
So do you have a definition of what you might want to do? A prototypical job that you would enjoy? Do you like things static or dynamic? Do you want to set your own hours or have a standard 9-5? What is it that you are looking for?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
Quote
What is it that you are looking for?

I have absolutely no idea. I applied for a place the other day that paid decently and I'm pretty sure their business is making up buzzwords.

Personally, I always felt that if you're asking for someone with an outstanding grasp of English that you should totally interview someone who points out typos in the job description.

They didn't call me back.

Honestly, I don't care what the job is, I just want a job where people enjoy what they do with management that enjoys enabling their employees.

Pretty sure you can only pick one of those two as this seems to be the Sophie's Choice of employment decisions.

Edit: I should add, I've been asked multiple times at multiple jobs to be a manager. I've always turned it down because, somehow, failure succeeds and the managers above me would be even worse than the lower level managers I've been dealing with. Yegolev is right, I have to somehow work for myself. It's just hard to do without, well, a pile of money.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on January 13, 2012, 11:03:54 AM
Yes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on January 13, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Honestly, I don't care what the job is, I just want a job where people enjoy what they do with management that enjoys enabling their employees.

I want this too.  If you find it, give me a call. 

No, I'm not joking.  I'm sick of unhappy people, of office politics, and of insecure assholes that empower themselves by stepping on heads. 

People are unnecessarily dickish when it comes to the workplace and I'm powerless to understand why. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on January 13, 2012, 11:14:22 AM
The irony is that I think schild would hate being a manager but he'd probably be a rather good one. I don't say that lightly. I agree with many here who are saying that people are promoted to management not because they have leadership skills (which schild does) but because they know enough of the work that they can supervise other's work. People skills are glossed over.

This seems particularly true of tech areas. I work with one other person in tech (my boss) and we get along famously, both with each other and the rest of the staff. Sure, we have bad days when we're catty and frustrated, but who doesn't? On the other hand, my GF works in a big ole database center and they are constantly up in each other's shit about every little mistake.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
I wouldn't hate being a manager, but as I've turned down every management position anywhere I've been offered, I have no "real" management experience on my resume. As such, I can't just walk into the job. Now, had I thought being a manager at ANY of my previous jobs would've fulfilled some inborn need for my employed life to not suck ass, I'd have that experience.

In other words, I've held myself back due to dealing with nothing but manchildren and idiots.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on January 13, 2012, 11:28:05 AM
iirc you're against Seattle, but (as usual) they are hiring like mad here.  I would think with a decent resume, your degree and experience should snag you something fast. 

Even with my shitty resume and no degree it took me only 3 months, but I found what appears to be (on paper) the perfect job as I'm finishing my degree. 

Also, I don't know you personally, but from the interaction here on the boards I would fully tell you to go for a management position doing something you like.  I mean, you manage F13 very successfully and that should translate.  We all know coworkers can be dickbags, but you've dealt with it in the past.  At least in management you can tell the dickbags what to do.  What's another year of trying to figure out if you're good at something?

Either way, good luck. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 11:29:50 AM
I wish I was a hot chick, then I could just work HR and be fundamentally useless to society and swagger my way to the top.

If I ever run a company, HR will be full of slovenly, overpaid geniuses with neckbeards and mother issues.






















Just kidding, it'll be dumb hot chicks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on January 13, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
The only other upside to Seattle, is that there is a massive startup community here.  My best friend is a developer that actively goes to startup gatherings and he has to turn offers down.  You could do your day job, then pursue your dream at night.  The downside being that sometimes you dump time into projects that don't come to fruition. 

And yes, I have never met an HR person that I have liked being around, even outside of work.  Bulldoze the whole lot of them, imo.  At this job I just started, I did all my starting paperwork (w-4, i-9, all that jazz) online before I even stepped foot in the office.  I haven't even met an HR person yet, other than two emails about interviews.  I'm not sure what they're doing that requires a whole department.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on January 13, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
My god schild I see why you are bitter.  Working retail, game design and customer service, sales. /shudder   How are you even sane at this point?    :grin:   
     


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on January 13, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
The irony is that I think schild would hate being a manager but he'd probably be a rather good one.

I think Schild would be an outstanding manager.  He's bright, concise, and knows how to fit people with their strengths.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on January 13, 2012, 11:47:45 AM
Sounds to me as though you should create your own company and set up as a freelance PR and media consultant. It's basically sales without the horrors of retail, reasonably creative, you'd be working for yourself and you should already have a decent network by now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on January 13, 2012, 12:02:12 PM
Honestly, I don't care what the job is, I just want a job where people enjoy what they do with management that enjoys enabling their employees.

I want this too.  If you find it, give me a call.  
I found it, but the pay sucks.

Working with people who love their career and helping people all day is pretty cool, though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on January 13, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
Some of you really don't live in the real world, having been in IT all this time.  I can't think of a salaried position I know of where I worked 40 hours. Nor can I think of a salaried person who ONLY worked 40 hours and survived any round of cuts.  Most places expect 45-50 hours per week minimum.  That's 6 1/4 - 12 1/2 weeks of free work a year. Suddenly your $50k year a job is paying you an hourly rate equivalent to $40k.

These salaried people you speak of? They work for the wrong fucking companies. Really. I've worked for those wrong companies. The company I've worked at for 12 years now as a salaried worker (ad/marketing agency) rarely ever asks me to work overtime and when they do, I'm usually either compensated with a small bonus (rare) or I get some flex hours somewhere when the crunch is over. I think I've had to work overtime/weekends less than 20 times in my entire 12 years here. When crunches come, we've even hired freelancers to make sure the workers don't have to work overtime, weekends or holidays, or at least minimize that off time spent working. Part of it is that my immediate manager is also my friend of almost 20 years but it's also because when the timeline gets fucked, it's not usually his fault. It's either the client being goddamn insane or somebody between the client and the work that fucks something up.

No, it comes from working in an industry with razor-thin margins. You can work overtime or be fired for someone who will because the company can't afford two of you.   Mechanical, Electrical, Structural Engineers and Architects in addition to construction field supervisors all have this problem.   Don't like it?  Good luck transferring that $50k degree into another field.   The best you can hope for is becoming a partner or starting your own firm and rolling the shit downhill to the next guy who'll have to follow the same path.

We're not marketing, nobody sees value in professional services, all they see is another line-item on their 10mil construction project.  Yes, there's companies that have lots of experience building and see value in a professional and are willing to pay for it.  They are not the majority of people doing buildings.  Those clients you find and keep and guard as jealously as you fucking can; until they too begin to ask you to cut your own throat to save some money.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Johny Cee on January 13, 2012, 12:34:14 PM
Sounds to me as though you should create your own company and set up as a freelance PR and media consultant. It's basically sales without the horrors of retail, reasonably creative, you'd be working for yourself and you should already have a decent network by now.

Eric Schild
Ocean Marketing?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 12:59:47 PM
I was waiting for someone to make the Ocean Marketing joke after Iain's post.

No, there's a reason I have no interest in doing PR. It's a field full of unmarketable people that is rivaled only by HR. Just horrible human beings.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on January 13, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Mechanical, Electrical, Structural Engineers and Architects in addition to construction field supervisors all have this problem.   Don't like it?  Good luck transferring that $50k degree into another field.   


Seriously?  Any engineer should have skills that transfer from building design & construction to another industry.  Is designing the power delivery for a commercial office building the same as designing power delivery for a PCB?  No, but it's not so far off someone won't take a chance on you being able to learn.  ME should be even more transferable. You may not get 150k right away but you won't be getting chump change either.

The US is way short of qualified engineers.  If you have an engineering degree and can't find a job you're doing it wrong.

And Schild if you have a Comp Sci degree and can't find a job in Austin that's not at a game company you really aren't looking.  Every major player in Semi-conductors, Space and Defense and commercial software have facilities there.  Real scientific/critical system computer science, even at an entry level, is nothing like greasy code monkey shit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 01:14:32 PM
I don't have a CompSci degree. I *was* on track to get one. Took a hard u-turn into Digital Media and Film immediately after I met other CS majors.

What an awful lot.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on January 13, 2012, 01:21:10 PM
I know it's cheesy, but have you tried a career aptitude test? Now that you kinda know what you like/don't like...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on January 13, 2012, 02:18:20 PM
Sounds to me as though you should create your own company and set up as a freelance PR and media consultant. It's basically sales without the horrors of retail, reasonably creative, you'd be working for yourself and you should already have a decent network by now.

I hear the Avenger controller is looking for a new PR firm.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Johny Cee on January 13, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
Sounds to me as though you should create your own company and set up as a freelance PR and media consultant. It's basically sales without the horrors of retail, reasonably creative, you'd be working for yourself and you should already have a decent network by now.

I hear the Avenger controller is looking for a new PR firm.  :why_so_serious:

Okay, admit it you fuckers:

There is a secret ignore button, isn't there?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 13, 2012, 02:32:19 PM
No, it was an obvious joke and Haemish may not have seen there was a new page and has Quick Reply turned on.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on January 13, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
The US is way short of qualified engineers.  If you have an engineering degree and can't find a job you're doing it wrong.

Or you got into that type of engineering because that's what you wanted to do.  "I got into electrical design because that's what I wanted to do, not circuit design."  I can't read all their minds but I'll ask one next time I'm around 'em why they put up with it.   I suspect it's a passion for the product.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on January 13, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
No, it was an obvious joke and Haemish may not have seen there was a new page and has Quick Reply turned on.

Didn't see the next page and it really was that obvious a joke. Of course, you need more roids and about 150 less IQ points to get the job, not to mention finding a lack of ethics somewhere.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xanthippe on January 13, 2012, 05:30:05 PM
The only other upside to Seattle, is that there is a massive startup community here. 

It's also beautiful around Seattle. If you like fishing, hunting, or hiking, it's a great place to live.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on January 13, 2012, 05:53:57 PM
Opening in Pittsburgh for Verizon tech support (call center).  Not the most exciting gig, but good pay and full bene's.

verizon.com/jobs


edit.  This is a union position.  It is better to apply sooner rather then later (do not spend a week tweaking your resume as that will only hurt you).  Feel free to PM me if you have questions.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on January 13, 2012, 06:26:39 PM
The only other upside to Seattle, is that there is a massive startup community here. 

It's also beautiful around Seattle. If you like fishing, hunting, or hiking, it's a great place to live.

I meant from a job perspective.  Yeah, we moved to Seattle simply for the outdoors; the work thing is secondary.  That's not really a false statement, either. 

Ahem.  /seattlevoice:  I mean it rains all the time here and is ugly and terrible and the people suck.  Stay away.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 13, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
I don't have a CompSci degree. I *was* on track to get one. Took a hard u-turn into Digital Media and Film immediately after I met other CS majors.

What an awful lot.
I don't know about awful, but a lot of them certainly didn't belong there.  I'm not sure if half my starting class could have turned on a computer, much less program one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on January 16, 2012, 03:58:15 PM
CS majors are pretty bad.

CS attracts a lot of people who are interested only in computers. Like their entire life revolves only around computers - you go out to dinner and they can't do anything but tell computer-related jokes. In college I skipped most of my CS classes because the people were so intolerable. Like a professor is writing on a chalkboard, runs out of room, someone makes a joke about how it's too bad the chalkboard doesn't support copy/paste, then 10 minutes later people are laughing at that same joke.

That said I haven't really found the same thing to be true out in the real world. Probably depends on where you work but the concentration if socially retarded people was a lot higher in college than outside.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on January 16, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
Well yeah, because outside of college you are generally encountering the employable ones rather than the raging aspies who can't abide human contact.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on January 16, 2012, 04:49:35 PM
The raging aspies either hide in engineering until they become a meme on the internet or stay back and become TAs and shitty associates in colleges to ruin the lives of the non-raging aspie computer science majors.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 16, 2012, 05:29:57 PM
Engineering school was 100X better than the CS department.  The CS department had a bad rap and most of the engineering professors made fun of how horrible the CS majors were.  My engineering school was actually quite focused on making engineers who can present and socialize in groups and on projects, if you were an anti-social twit they actually enjoyed failing you until you got 3 strikes or figured it out.  I have a CS degree and it was so painful to get that in addition to my engineering degree, it was almost a complete waste of time.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on January 16, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
Someone went to Cal.  :-P

I knew lots of EECS majors there who were a bit off on the social scale, personally. There's no doubt it was a more rigorous program than the L&S CS major but I have my doubts it produced more well-adjusted people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 16, 2012, 09:47:24 PM
There's no doubt it was a more rigorous program than the L&S CS major but I have my doubts it produced more well-adjusted people.
My program just had considerably more interaction with people and projects and lots of weeding out that wasn't solely based on classwork.  The weird imbalanced people in my years for the most part either switched majors or dropped out for a wide variety of reasons but being unable to present work effectively to a group was definitely one of the big ones for those who were just "into computers."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on January 17, 2012, 01:24:30 PM
CS majors are pretty bad.

CS attracts a lot of people who are interested only in computers...

The CS majors you really have to watch out for are the ones who aren't interested in computers.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on January 17, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
Yes, it was really fun carrying those retards through the 400 level classes.  It got even worse in MIS grad school.  Either they couldn't code or their code was so bad you'd just end up screwing yourself if you decided to rely on it.  Everything was team based and the program was highly technical, yet you still got a lot of "herp-derp MBA with a computer" type.  


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on January 17, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
CS majors are pretty bad.

CS attracts a lot of people who are interested only in computers...

The CS majors you really have to watch out for are the ones who aren't interested in computers.

Key word: only.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 18, 2012, 08:02:05 AM
It was the people who weren't interested in computers that worried me.

But then I only showed up to classes for the grade.  I was a post-bac when I got my CS degree, and think I had more practical programming experience than the majority of my professors.  (Which explains why the two lecturers I liked were part-time faculty who did programming for a living...)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 21, 2012, 07:27:23 AM
Resurrecting just to say:

I got a permanent day job at the University.

It is not anything fancy (pretty lowly job doing clerical work at the health clinic) but it pays pretty good for the work and the University's benefits package is still really good. Plus, the whole "foot in the door" thing.

(still Sky jr. nights and weekends at the library too).



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on February 21, 2012, 07:42:28 AM
Congrats, Chimpy!

Now you've got to do what I say since my taxes pay your salary!  *giggle*  I've always wanted my very own minion!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 21, 2012, 08:09:42 AM
Tell old Pat to make the state pay the university the half billion it owes the U and then we can talk!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 21, 2012, 08:47:51 AM
Yay bennies!

lol @ taxes paying for education


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on February 21, 2012, 08:54:14 AM
Tell old Pat to make the state pay the university the half billion it owes the U and then we can talk!
Bah, tell the board of directors and politicians to stop giving away free scholarships and tuition!  Or something like that.

Illinois is so fucked up which how we fund education around here.   


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 21, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
Yay bennies!

lol @ taxes paying for education

One of the bennies is a tuition waiver for classes at any state school. Cheap Masters degree here I come.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 21, 2012, 11:29:34 AM
One of the bennies is a tuition waiver for classes at any state school. Cheap Masters degree here I come.
:Love_Letters:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on February 21, 2012, 12:02:42 PM
lol @ taxes paying for education

I assume that you're being sarcastic.  I hope that you're being sarcastic. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on February 21, 2012, 12:04:48 PM
I think he meant that taxes aren't going to education in a significant amount, not that it wasn't paid for by taxes.  A jab at underfunding.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 21, 2012, 01:00:46 PM
It means if it's not health care or military or corporate handouts, it's going away in our lifetimes.

We're on a year-to-year thing here at the library as we're being systematically defunded at every level, next year we only have a small amount of dwindling muni funding left.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 21, 2012, 08:20:54 PM
New for 2013: education insurance.  Contact your local AllState mafioso for details.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on February 21, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
Resurrecting just to say:

I got a permanent day job at the University.

This is wonderful, congrats!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: grebo on March 06, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
Hey peoples,

The place I've been at for a few months is looking for someone to basically talk to schools and help them use our product.  CL posting Here. (http://providence.craigslist.org/csr/2887425356.html)

Fairly frenetic, multitasking ability helpful.

It's a work from home type thing too, so that might work well for someone.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 23, 2014, 09:46:19 PM
This seemed like as fine a fine place as any to post this.  I was, about a month ago, offered an opportunity to lead the largest project on the account.  Moving two datacenters' worth of machinery to two other datacenters.  Why would I accept something like this, the guy who wants to stay technical?  It seemed like a great way to not be a system admin when I am fifty-five.  So now I'm a lead of (right now) five contractors.  The thing about doing this that bothers me most isn't having to tell people what to do, calling them to find out if they are going to dial into a checkpoint meeting, or finding out during a maintenance how much they do or do not know... it's that I don't know everything that is going on.  Apparently I'm something of a controller!

I also think I must be a tad deranged since I find I enjoy leadership at times, even when people are yelling at each other.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on March 23, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Sounds like fun and a good opportunity to grow a bit. Worker bees have to put in some effort to trust people to do their jobs, I know I still do sometimes (especially if I think I can do it better and faster than the person tasked with the job). But, the best managers I've worked for always let me do my thing and only help/offer advice if asked or I obviously needed some light coaching (say, when dealing with a very irritating co-worker who pushed my buttons 1000 times too many). So I try to model after them.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 23, 2014, 10:04:46 PM
I'm trying to do that, unfortunately:
1. I could do these things faster and better, which is irritating after hiring "senior admins".
2. These guys have to jump out of the nest, no time for feel-good shadowing.

So tonight I'm getting them all into a virtual room, having one of the new guys drive and share his desktop, and making a more experienced one that likes to rack up hours be the guide.  The other two are watching.  Taking notes?  Jesus, I hope so after how many times I asked them to.  One or two are rather nervous, getting cold feet.  So I'm throwing them in the fire, then pushing them back in with a stick when they try to get out.  This is what happens when you come on after the project is in full swing.

I actually think I'm having too much fun, but I'm probably being paranoid.  My boss has been so pleased with my performance so far that he's tossed me an award.  Presumably because he doesn't have to deal with the bullshit anymore. :awesome_for_real:  I think I'm going to be sad when I get these guys going and can go back to doing my usual job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on March 23, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
Don't be too hard on them, not everyone learns well by drinking from a fire hose.  :awesome_for_real:

If they are out of their depth as supposed senior people, I assume it's too late to replace them?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on March 23, 2014, 10:15:29 PM
I'm trying to do that, unfortunately:
1. I could do these things faster and better, which is irritating after hiring "senior admins".
2. These guys have to jump out of the nest, no time for feel-good shadowing.

Welcome to a leadership role.  Hardest part is balancing micromanagement with freedom to act.

Harder then it sounds.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 23, 2014, 10:23:06 PM
Don't be too hard on them, not everyone learns well by drinking from a fire hose.  :awesome_for_real:

If they are out of their depth as supposed senior people, I assume it's too late to replace them?

It's never too late. :oh_i_see:

Really, though, I'm trying not to be hard on them but the project marches on and I can't keep relying on the two or three guys who know what's going on.  I'm trying to make it as easy as I can for them to succeed, I just am not going to do it for them.  We have semi-well-formed process documents and knowledge spread among techs, and I need them to become comfortable in accessing that.  Once they have gotten one or two migrations under their belt, they will be just fine.  I think.

What I'm trying to instill tonight is a reassurance that it's OK to ask questions early and often; I haven't said anything negative about anyone's skills.  This is something that really held me back early on, trying to hide what I didn't know from my team and manager.  That tactic completely doesn't work.

Welcome to a leadership role.  Hardest part is balancing micromanagement with freedom to act.

Harder then it sounds.

Yes it is.  Before being outsourced, my head contained all the major details of the SAP/UNIX enterprise at TCCC.  After, it grew too fast and I was distracted by my new bureaucracy.  Now I'm trying to direct people in a process that I haven't actually done and it's very weird.  Uncomfortable at times.  Then I catch myself looking over someone's shoulder, or calling up people to tell them to join a meeting.  You know, all the shit I hate my manager doing. :oh_i_see:

Once I get some solid leadership skills, I can go work with Ironwood at the bottlecap factory.  We can wear short-sleeved button-down shirts with short ties, sit behind brown metal desks and frown at our inferiors.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on March 23, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
I can go work with Ironwood at the bottlecap factory.
Which the schlemiel, which the schlimazel?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on March 23, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Hossenffefer incorporated?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on March 23, 2014, 11:05:08 PM
I can go work with Ironwood at the bottlecap factory.
Which the schlemiel, which the schlimazel?
Hassenpfaf* Incorporated?




*Err.. spelling?

DAMMIT!  Ninja'd!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on March 23, 2014, 11:14:45 PM
I can go work with Ironwood at the bottlecap factory.
Which the schlemiel, which the schlimazel?
Hassenpfaf* Incorporated?




*Err.. spelling?

DAMMIT!  Ninja'd!

Heh, sorry.

That said, if you're in the BA, we're looking for a helluva lot of people... (http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.returnToResults&CurrentPage=1)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on March 24, 2014, 02:16:36 AM
I really wish you guys would move up to the middle part of the Bay.  All the big tech corps are in south bay, but I really don't want to move down that way......  Oakland is filled with Hipsters, you should move here!

Not that it matters.  I was looking at that stuff, but have finally secured a job with the guvument, which should pay me to travel around the world doing computer shit, so goodbye Bay Area tech I guess.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on March 24, 2014, 02:29:12 AM
I also think I must be a tad deranged since I find I enjoy leadership at times, even when people are yelling at each other.

As long as the loudest yeller is you you're good.  :awesome_for_real:

Being in a leadership position definitely has pros and cons. I think in some ways the best leaders are people are skilled at leading and only moderately skilled at the actual job. People who are really good at the job are often control freaks, try to do too much themselves (which eventually breaks down), prone to not seeing the bigger picture and not good at dealing with people with a wide range of skills.

My experience is that it's best to have a shadowy figure / power behind the throne / XO / Destro type who can lead by example and be a go-to guy without being an actual manager.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 24, 2014, 07:12:11 AM
That said, if you're in the BA, we're looking for a helluva lot of people... (http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.returnToResults&CurrentPage=1)
Those got filled quick!

(Rhyssa, the spelling is 'hasenpfeffer'.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on March 24, 2014, 08:41:44 AM
Not that it matters.  I was looking at that stuff, but have finally secured a job with the guvument, which should pay me to travel around the world doing computer shit, so goodbye Bay Area tech I guess.

 :thumbs_up:

Awesome, any idea when you start? I take this to mean you made it off the register and have received an entry class invite?

Unfortunately I'm still out in Benin so I'm in no position to buy you a drink.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on March 24, 2014, 10:32:07 AM
My experience is that it's best to have a shadowy figure / power behind the throne / XO / Destro type who can lead by example and be a go-to guy without being an actual manager.
Story of my career thus far. It would be nicer to have the better pay, but the freedom and lack of ultimate responsibility is nice. Vizier is the word I use.

On Oakland: fuck Oakland. Or maybe that was just being poor and living in the shitty part of Hayward (not the hills) for a couple years.

Shirley, I'd love to work for the company but I want to start a new department dedicated to schools and libraries doing kiosk work. :)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on March 24, 2014, 11:09:52 AM
On Oakland: fuck Oakland. Or maybe that was just being poor and living in the shitty part of Hayward (not the hills) for a couple years.
Fuck Oakland and indeed.  That entire part of the bay is a place to avoid.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on March 24, 2014, 02:37:29 PM
Not that it matters.  I was looking at that stuff, but have finally secured a job with the guvument, which should pay me to travel around the world doing computer shit, so goodbye Bay Area tech I guess.

 :thumbs_up:

Awesome, any idea when you start? I take this to mean you made it off the register and have received an entry class invite?

Unfortunately I'm still out in Benin so I'm in no position to buy you a drink.
Around 'July'.  Got offer letter to start orientation in May, but it said that I could take it or wait for the second offer (they send out two, then terminate candidacy).  Emailed and asked when next orientation was, and they told me July and that it would be ok to wait for it.  So told them I would do that, since it will be way more convenient to finish up all my affairs here by then.  So, should get second offer in another month or two, and be in DC for training in July.  I find out at the end of the 3 week orientation what country I've been assigned, then train the next few months specifically for that assignment, then head out.  I gave notice at my job, and am leaving at the end of March, so I'll pretend I'm European and take a couple months vacation.

Since who knows when the next time I'll be able to take longer than the American standard 10 days a year vacation.  Also, I've been running though iPhone programming courses online.  It'll give me a few months to see if I can get rich off some stupid gimick before signing my life away to the State Department.   :awesome_for_real:

On Oakland:  Seriously, fuck you guys, Oakland is awesome.  Yes there are shitty ghetto parts.  There are also very very nice parts, and much of the downtown and northern half have become a major hub for great food and drinking establishments (not to mention lots of cool stores to shop at).  There are just a lot of great neighborhoods in general.  A lot of this is more recent, so if you haven't been in the area in the last decade or so, or still live in Hayward (which is not Oakland), I can understand.

No seriously, its not just me hyping this.  The New York times even named Oakland number 5 of there top places in the world to visit in 2012, just below London, and above Tokyo.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/travel/45-places-to-go-in-2012.html?pagewanted=all

Its also nice that there has been, in the last few years, a big local brewing boom here.  Lots of cool new beers, and some of the best beer bars in the entire bay area are here (several only about 5 minutes walk from my place):

http://www.oaklandmagazine.com/Oakland-Magazine/March-April-2012/Beer-Beer-Beer/

I'd also say call this entire part of the Bay a place to avoid pretty bad as well.  Emeryville, Berkeley, Albany, and into parts of El Cerrito are all very neat areas as well now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on March 24, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
On Oakland:  Seriously, fuck you guys, Oakland is awesome.  Yes there are shitty ghetto parts.
Everyone who loves Oakland has this take on it.  "It's great man!  Just don't go to the shitty parts!"  Except I'm not from around here, so I have zero idea where a bad neighborhood vs. a good one is, and reading the murder reports from that area, I'd rather not take my life into my hands to find out on my own.  I will concede that Berkeley, El Cerrito, and Albany actually have a pretty interesting scene and can be fun.  And I'll even give you one better: Oakland isn't as bad as Richmond ;-)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on March 24, 2014, 06:40:31 PM
It's like Harlem. There's been a huge renaissance there in the last five to ten years as well, but there's still a bunch of shitty places and if you're not a native, it's not the best place to live. When the wife and I were looking for places in the city a few years ago, we passed up some absolutely huge places with relatively cheap prices because the surrounding areas just weren't "there" yet. I'm still thinking of buying a couple of those places to rent out, but not to actually live in.

The people I know that live in Oakland love it. I'm still not sold, but I see where they're coming from.

Shit, I'm getting old.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on March 24, 2014, 06:50:22 PM
They need to do what Atlanta did, and just divide the city in half. Keep the crazy on one side, separated by a major interstate.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 26, 2012, 10:10:06 AM
They also put a circle around it, to keep the hicks out.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 AM
They also put a circle around it, to keep the hicks out.

Do the hicks only travel in the counter clockwise direction on said circle?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on March 26, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
Once I get some solid leadership skills, I can go work with Ironwood at the bottlecap factory.  We can wear short-sleeved button-down shirts with short ties, sit behind brown metal desks and frown at our inferiors.

I miss it a bit.

A bit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 30, 2012, 10:50:05 AM
Inevitably, labor trouble.  Can't say much but I'm suddenly a huge fan of in-person interviews.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on March 30, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
Inevitably, labor trouble.  Can't say much but I'm suddenly a huge fan of in-person interviews.

What?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Pennilenko on March 30, 2012, 12:35:56 PM
Inevitably, labor trouble.  Can't say much but I'm suddenly a huge fan of in-person interviews.

What?

He can't say much. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on March 30, 2012, 02:09:13 PM
But even the tease was odd!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on March 30, 2012, 05:17:56 PM
Inevitably, labor trouble.  Can't say much but I'm suddenly a huge fan of in-person interviews.

Ha.  Hahahahaha.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on March 30, 2012, 05:26:02 PM
Do you have an incredibly smelly guy?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: proudft on March 30, 2012, 05:59:56 PM
Remember, if you don't, it's you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 31, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
I expect Cheddar knows what I am dealing with.  I hope not, but probably.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 04, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
Yea. I'm getting sick of this job hunt.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xanthippe on April 04, 2012, 11:13:54 PM
Parker Schnabel is looking for a heavy duty diesel mechanic, journeyman excavator, loader, and rock truck operator for the mine this summer, according to his Facebook page.

Alaska might do you some good!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Tannhauser on April 06, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
I keep getting good offers from the area I last lived in.  An area I was more than glad to leave and never want to live in again. 

Wouldn't be so bad except that these jobs would pay about 20% more than the mediocre job I have in the town I love.
Torn.

Anyone have any experience with this?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xanthippe on April 06, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
I keep getting good offers from the area I last lived in.  An area I was more than glad to leave and never want to live in again. 

Wouldn't be so bad except that these jobs would pay about 20% more than the mediocre job I have in the town I love.
Torn.

Anyone have any experience with this?

I have experience with living somewhere pretty that pays shittier than the ugly place I can live that pays better. Is that what you mean?

I made a decision a long time ago to live somewhere that has great weather and nice scenery, but either have to commute  or get paid 20% less. I commuted for a little while, long enough to find out I hated commuting. I have mostly worked here for less pay (although stopped working several years ago). My spouse has always commuted (used to be an hour 20 min one way, now it's closer to hour fortyfive) as there are no jobs here for him. He doesn't mind the commute (it's pretty) because he loves living here and doesn't want to live where he works.

It's a matter of what makes you happy in life, and how you want to get there. You will likely have to sacrifice something, so weigh both and see what you want to live with. 20% is nothing to sneeze at but if you're miserable maybe it's not enough to help you not be.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on April 11, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Seems somewhat relevant to the discussion at hand:  http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-recruiters-look-at-during-the-6-seconds-they-spend-on-your-resume-2012-4

I have been reading about eye-tracking software being used for websites to improve design.  It's very interesting to see it being used by recruiters, and might help tailor your resume a bit differently.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 11, 2012, 09:22:20 PM
Man they picked two terribly formatted resumes for that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on April 12, 2012, 08:37:59 AM
Or, maybe, the executive position resume got more scrutiny because it was for an executive position and the FPGA Chief Architect position only got a brief look at the years of experience, skills and education because that was what was relevant for initial impressions?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 13, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
My alternative is that people are fucking liars and you can't trust them until you grill them face to face.  Which is a bonus for executives, less so for people that do work.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 13, 2012, 02:16:12 PM
#1 - Never let HR pre-screen your applicants, unless you are in a situation where you have more submissions than you can glance over.
#2 - Mandatory written basic skills test over a broad area, this should expose any areas where they blatantly overstated skills you care about on their resume (and maybe reveal talents they didn't bother mentioning).
#3 - Interview with the in depth questions.
#4 - Background check on potential hires.
#5 - Hire people you can see yourself actually wanting to work with.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 13, 2012, 03:06:50 PM
I would watch them fill out the written test, also.  Like, sit across from the table and stare at them.  So, may as well ask the questions.

I'm hiring contractors so it's a bit different.  We are complaining about a lack of pre-screening.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 13, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
I would watch them fill out the written test, also.  Like, sit across from the table and stare at them.  So, may as well ask the questions.

I'm hiring contractors so it's a bit different.  We are complaining about a lack of pre-screening.

Like IT contractors or construction contractors? Because I've done the latter and it's a lot of fun to quiz those dudes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 15, 2012, 02:55:53 PM
Good contractors, good general practitioners and unicorns.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on April 15, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 15, 2012, 07:17:47 PM
While I will agree with the contractors thing, I've always gotten great general practitioners where ever I've gone (though I've been with Kaiser for a good long while).  Maybe its just you!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on April 15, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
While I will agree with the contractors thing, I've always gotten great general practitioners where ever I've gone (though I've been with Kaiser for a good long while).  Maybe its just you!
Must be nice.  I've had to deal with many doctors who just wanted to throw pills at problems without getting to the root of the issue and others who flat out refuse treatment because "we don't know how to deal with that."  Finding a good doctor is a godsend.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on April 15, 2012, 11:22:36 PM
The range of choice of GPs out in the backwoods where Sky lives is probably a lot thinner than what we get here in sprawltown.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 16, 2012, 12:41:54 AM
The range of choice of GPs out in the backwoods where Sky lives is probably a lot thinner than what we get here in sprawltown.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 16, 2012, 05:13:29 PM
Got a long-term consulting gig. Problems over for the moment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on April 16, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
Got a long-term consulting gig. Problems over for the moment.

Awesome. Congrats.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on April 16, 2012, 05:28:54 PM
    Good news Schild.

    My company is looking for the following at the moment:
  • Senior designer
  • Marketing artist
  • Senior UI artist
  • Senior animator
  • Gameplay programmer
  • QA tester

Specs for the above are available here (http://www.aconygames.com/#/career). If you sort of internet know me then mention my name in your cover letter (Iain Compton) and drop me a PM telling me who you are in case I get asked about you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 16, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
Good news Schild.

My company is looking for the following at the moment:

<words>

Who needs PM's?


edit.  Job link broken.  Yeah, I clicked it.  Shut up.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on April 17, 2012, 10:06:42 PM
My company is looking for the following at the moment: ....

Do you guys have a US office or is this all done at the German location?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on April 18, 2012, 02:24:14 AM
This is all in Germany. Visas will be arranged where required (we have a lot of American emigrés already).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 18, 2012, 09:21:17 AM
They never got back to me on the QA position.

Warum nicht?

WARUM!?! :cry2:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Tannhauser on April 18, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Well, it seems they are adding an engineer position at my job after all.  Woot!  So now I'm waiting for it to be posted.  Even better, if I get it I'll get to travel, too bad it will mainly be to China and India but hey.  My dream job in my dream location!

 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on April 19, 2012, 06:45:12 AM
We've opened positions for 10 embedded developers from entry to senior level.  Let me know if anyone is interested.

Must be US Citizen and able to obtain a clearance.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on April 19, 2012, 06:51:56 AM
They never got back to me on the QA position.

Warum nicht?

WARUM!?! :cry2:

Wir haben schon zu viele rote Pandas.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 19, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
Es gibt keine solche sache wie zu viele rote Pandas.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on April 19, 2012, 10:06:21 AM
Got a long-term consulting gig. Problems over for the moment.

Congrats.

Also congrats that no one made any snarky comments about the types of things you might be hired to consult on.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 19, 2012, 02:26:24 PM
I had assumed he was being consulted for snarky comments.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on April 19, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
My company is hiring a ton, and not all in Colorado (we have some field/remote positions too). We do IT stuff for healthcare companies, but you don't have to have healthcare experience (certainly not for some of the more technical positions). Ping me if you want to know more.

Software Engineer
Transaction Support Analyst
Solutions Specialist (field)
Technical Product Manager       - Good position for a technical person who doesn't want to code, but can talk to customers and create solutions.
Implementation Manager
Technical Security Specialist
Contracts Processing Specialist/Order Entry Specialist
Supply Chain Value Analytics Manager
Solutions Specialist (field)
Customer Success Manager (field)
Sales Consultant - Supplier or Hospital verticals (field)
Service Operations Director - Device & Implant Segment

Colorado is a great place to live, if a tad expensive for you middle-of-nowhere dwellers.
Linky: http://www.ghx.com/about-ghx/careers/find-a-job.aspx


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on April 19, 2012, 04:55:42 PM
Looks like work is sending me to Tel Aviv for 2 weeks.  That's going to be one hell of a plane flight.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 19, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
Looks like work is sending me to Tel Aviv for 2 weeks.  That's going to be one hell of a plane flight.

I hear the sushi there is the bomb, from my coworkers.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 19, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
And Paelos just got put on a watch list by Echelon for that quote/reply  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on April 19, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
Looks like work is sending me to Tel Aviv for 2 weeks.  That's going to be one hell of a plane flight.

All depends on the connections.  I think the security checks could be more fun than anything :)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Morat20 on April 19, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Hmm. My company's hiring again. Anyone want to program Robonaut? :) They were looking for several coders and a manager for that...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on April 20, 2012, 06:43:20 AM

All depends on the connections.  I think the security checks could be more fun than anything :)

Heh, we get security briefings about going through Israel's security.  Let's just say that their government sometimes aggressively supports their private sector interests so make sure you don't have any crucial proprietary IP on your laptop...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 20, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
And Paelos just got put on a watch list by Echelon for that quote/reply  :grin:

Pffft, I'm already on several.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 24, 2012, 11:40:35 PM
Got an offer for a IT architect spot in Savannah, only problem is that it requires three certs I don't have.  Seems silly.  I'm not sure if I want to look into it.  I have become very heavily involved in my supposed career advancement at HP, including some help from my boss who put me in charge of another mess of a project.  Apparently I'm not nearly as idiotic as my wife tells.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 25, 2012, 06:20:25 AM
Or you are more of an idiot and thus are rising accordingly.  :grin:

I have a phone interview tomorrow on my lunch break for what is probably the perfect job for me at the university: user support at the college of fine arts (my degree is actually from a unit in that college). Hopefully I won't fuck it up!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on April 25, 2012, 07:59:24 AM
Good luck, Chimpy!

And Yego, what can it hurt to look into the position more?  HP's not a bad place to work but right now I'm gun-shy about investing all my eggs into one basket after they laid me off.  I thought I was going to have a nice long career at HP as well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 25, 2012, 08:27:24 AM
Chimpy, that sounds awesome. You'll get some fun toys, workstations underpowered for Photoshop and crappy ancient wacom tablets instead of touch screens! Or maybe I've worked in the library too long. I was kinda sad face flipping through a fantasy art book I got for inspiration (see miniatures thread for blah blah), 95% of the stuff in it is Photoshop. I'm such a luddite.

Yeg, 'It's who you know!' Or 'You're soaking in it.' Something like that. If you've got someone pulling you up the ladder, I'd stick with that unless he's some rogue moron who will take you down with him some day. Or the Savannah gig gives you big numbers and bennies and pays for training + cert fees, of course.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 25, 2012, 09:36:59 AM
Or you are more of an idiot and thus are rising accordingly.  :grin:

I have considered this more than once.  The trouble is that I am still one of two that can fix certain things, and I'm constantly being consulted on things outside the all-consuming migration project.  I also listened to the lamentations of the admins who had to work this past maintenance weekend without me.  I'm still not sure if I would have been better off working or in the woods feeding ticks, but the boy enjoyed it so I made the right decision.

I don't want to look at the Savannah job because in the end I won't take it even if I pass the interview, but before that I will spend time and energy on it.  The big strikes are that it is contract and that I would have to relocate to Savannah.  Which is a nice place, but I can't move.  I also have yet to find a job that beats my current pay/benefit combination.  I can't go anywhere else and get twenty days of vacation, for example.

Also, the "pulling up the ladder" comment is very accurate and I'm not interested in squandering someone's goodwill and assistance.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 25, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Chimpy, that sounds awesome. You'll get some fun toys, workstations underpowered for Photoshop and crappy ancient wacom tablets instead of touch screens! Or maybe I've worked in the library too long. I was kinda sad face flipping through a fantasy art book I got for inspiration (see miniatures thread for blah blah), 95% of the stuff in it is Photoshop. I'm such a luddite.


The art and design department has all recent generation iMacs (even their stations with Win7 are boot camped iMacs ) of course that is not the only part of the college but keeping up to date computers is not generally a problem on campus.

Got a call this morning about another IT job (this time in the facilities dept). I am going to have to call in from Ireland heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on April 26, 2012, 02:07:50 PM
Flight booked and hotel reserved.  Gone May 3-12th. 


All depends on the connections.  I think the security checks could be more fun than anything :)

Heh, we get security briefings about going through Israel's security.  Let's just say that their government sometimes aggressively supports their private sector interests so make sure you don't have any crucial proprietary IP on your laptop...

My laptop is already filled with Israeli IP.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on April 26, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
Pictures of Bar Rafaeli don't count.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 20, 2012, 09:09:21 PM
Email subject:
"UNIX Administrator reqiored in Atlnata,GA"

Didn't even read the listing.  I'm not yet in the place where I will start taking on multiple temp shit jobs in an attempt to frankenstein together a reasonable income.  Despite the news reports.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on July 05, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
Work has become stale for me. Anyone know of someone hiring Business Analysts with HR Systems (PeopleSoft) experience?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on July 05, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
People change jobs when they become stale?  I didn't know that was an option.  I've just let myself turn into a misanthropic, depressed sad sack who keeps working at the same place ten years after it went stale and is stuck in a rut too deep to climb out of.  It's easy and pays well so I don't have a right to complain or feel bad.  It is, never the less, hollowing me out.

Changing would have probably been a better idea.  I wish I were dead.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on July 05, 2012, 02:07:22 PM
People change jobs when they become stale?  I didn't know that was an option.  I've just let myself turn into a misanthropic, depressed sad sack who keeps working at the same place ten years after it went stale and is stuck in a rut too deep to climb out of.  It's easy and pays well so I don't have a right to complain or feel bad.  It is, never the less, hollowing me out.

Changing would have probably been a better idea.  I wish I were dead.

I'm heading in this direction in my current job. I would prefer a public sector job that turns my brain to mush over what I'm doing right now. It's so bad my last performance review last about 10 minutes with my old manager and new manager staring at me in awkward silence for 5 of those minutes waiting for me to tell them how the performance review should be done.

That was my breaking point.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 05, 2012, 02:48:13 PM
Good lord people, find something you enjoy. You'll add years to your life.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on July 05, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
People change jobs when they become stale?  I didn't know that was an option.  I've just let myself turn into a misanthropic, depressed sad sack who keeps working at the same place ten years after it went stale and is stuck in a rut too deep to climb out of.  It's easy and pays well so I don't have a right to complain or feel bad.  It is, never the less, hollowing me out.

Changing would have probably been a better idea.  I wish I were dead.

This sounds disturbingly familiar to me as well - the sheer volume of work replaced challenge or stimulation a long time ago.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Zetor on July 05, 2012, 03:17:56 PM
Reading through this thread, I feel really lucky to work for a small Hungarian company. Cool co-workers, understanding bosses, don't have to do overtime often, and I get to work on interesting ITsec research projects.

If anyone is interested, feel free to join us! As long as you're fine with making about $1k per month   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on July 05, 2012, 04:40:26 PM
Thanks for everyone's posts in this thread today, I really needed it.  I've been in a funk from walking away from a (relatively) high-paying job 2 months ago with no precise plan for the future, simply because it was literally and figuratively killing me.  However, reading some of your posts and putting myself back where I was before I quit, I'm absolutely convinced I made the right choice.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on July 05, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
Work has become stale for me. Anyone know of someone hiring Business Analysts with HR Systems (PeopleSoft) experience?

We were recently.  Check verizon.com/careers


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on July 05, 2012, 09:15:52 PM
Thanks for everyone's posts in this thread today, I really needed it.  I've been in a funk from walking away from a (relatively) high-paying job 2 months ago with no precise plan for the future, simply because it was literally and figuratively killing me.  However, reading some of your posts and putting myself back where I was before I quit, I'm absolutely convinced I made the right choice.

I can't begin to convince myself it's worth it when it starts to take away your joy for life. The owner of my company tried to convince me I was too laid back and should have a healthy amount of stress in my life.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 05, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
I can't begin to convince myself it's worth it when it starts to take away your joy for life. The owner of my company tried to convince me I was too laid back and should have a healthy amount of stress in my life.

One of my old bosses once told me that she didn't believe I took enough pride in my work because I missed a "filing day" where we helped catch up on the filing. Bear in mind we had a filing girl at the company who was terrible. Also bear in mind that my regular work was doing the exact same 3 activities every month for 10 projects.

I just laughed at her, and gave her my two weeks notice in that meeting right there. I caddied and travelled for a year after that, just to get outdoors and realize the world wasn't made up of small minded people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on July 05, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
My old job just sent out a notice that they are looking for engineers of the same specialty as me.  The same engineers that they had 7 of, but laid off 4 and the remaining 2 quit within a month of the layoffs.  I find it highly amusing, especially since engineers with my specialty are "a dime a dozen" the old VP told us...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on July 06, 2012, 09:38:22 AM
...especially since engineers with my specialty are "a dime a dozen" the old VP told us...

Hah, I had a talk with HR at my old company and had the site manager in attendance as well (~2500 person fab & design center spread across a 6 building campus, so yeah, a big wig).  I had documented evidence that I was being underpaid (statistical evidence from dept of labor as well as two competitive offers from other companies) and wanted a raise to make me comparable.

The site manager said pretty much the same thing, which I knew was BS because we had spent the last 2 years with a rec open and had interviewed dozens of people.  There were plenty of people who could do the work but they wanted too much money (according to HR).  So I took one of the other jobs that were offered to me at a 50% pay increase and left.

Sometimes management can be VERY out of touch and the only way to wake them up is to leave and have them have to deal with schedule & milestone issues.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on July 06, 2012, 01:58:36 PM
I need one more mid level java developer in Austin.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: brellium on July 08, 2012, 11:44:23 AM
Thanks for everyone's posts in this thread today, I really needed it.  I've been in a funk from walking away from a (relatively) high-paying job 2 months ago with no precise plan for the future, simply because it was literally and figuratively killing me.  However, reading some of your posts and putting myself back where I was before I quit, I'm absolutely convinced I made the right choice.
Funny, I did the same thing.

What broke it for me was in January, when it was announced that raises would be held back for essentially all but the top 30% of staff, due to profitability.  I knew then I wasn't going to make it through the end of the year.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 11, 2012, 11:35:43 AM
Got an offer for an IT job here at the university today. Double my vacation a year and enough money that I could quit my job as Sky jr as well as my day job and make the same amount of money.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 11, 2012, 11:40:28 AM
Did you say two openings?  :grin:

Congrats!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on July 11, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
Yay.  Congratulations, Chimp.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on July 11, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Got an offer for an IT job here at the university today. Double my vacation a year and enough money that I could quit my job as Sky jr as well as my day job and make the same amount of money.



Congrats Chimp!

  Now hopefully its not helpdesk and more backroom type stuff  :).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 11, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
Got an offer for an IT job here at the university today. Double my vacation a year and enough money that I could quit my job as Sky jr as well as my day job and make the same amount of money.

 :thumbs_up:  Congrats, Chimpy!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on July 11, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
Got an offer for an IT job here at the university today. Double my vacation a year and enough money that I could quit my job as Sky jr as well as my day job and make the same amount of money.



Congrats!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 12, 2012, 10:07:16 AM
So, I got first world problems. Just got another offer from another department on campus. Pay is slightly more (though I can probably get the one yesterday to match that), job might have more flexibility.

First world problems are a pain lol.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on July 12, 2012, 10:11:34 AM
I'm still looking for a java dev.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on July 12, 2012, 11:10:40 AM
So, I got first world problems. Just got another offer from another department on campus. Pay is slightly more (though I can probably get the one yesterday to match that), job might have more flexibility.

First world problems are a pain lol.

Pick the one that has the people you like the most, especially for a boss.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on July 12, 2012, 11:49:37 AM
^^ ding ding ding!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 12, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
Both bosses I got along with well. This is really not a cut and dry decision, blah.

The one yesterday would be a more consistent schedule and would be supporting a much larger organization so it would give me better exposure to larger volume stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 12, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
Which one is in the more stable department?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 12, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Which one is in the more stable department?

The one today in theory as it is effectively a contractor for the campus IT division that hires out people on contract to individual academic units so if the department decides to cut IT, I would be sent elsewhere. But the other dept is the largest department on campus in terms of total staff to support and has been short staffed for several months and is not likely to downsize in the foreseeable future.

In either case, as long as I do my job and not ruffle any feathers moving around between departments is somewhat easy, foot in the door and all that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 12, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
So, I got first world problems. Just got another offer from another department on campus.
Did you say two openings?  :grin:
:grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 12, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
So, I got first world problems. Just got another offer from another department on campus.
Did you say two openings?  :grin:
:grin:
The downside is that you'd have to move to Illinois and live in the Champaign area.  I'm fairly certain no job is worth it.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 12, 2012, 02:56:44 PM
C-U is fine. Well except for the whole you can see Bloomington on a clear day it is so damn flat.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on July 12, 2012, 08:39:42 PM
My girlfriend is seriously starting to hate life while job hunting in the bay area...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 13, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
Went with job 1, called the lady and she upped the offer to more than the other position and I felt the job was a better fit anyway.

I start July 30th. Think I might buy me one of those catleap monitors to celebrate.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 13, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
Congrats, Chimpy.  I know you've been looking for a long time.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on July 13, 2012, 01:08:52 PM
What does she do Selby? We have a couple open reqs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on July 13, 2012, 03:39:01 PM
The owner of my company tried to convince me I was too laid back and should have a healthy amount of stress in my life.

The owner of your company is a wrongheaded douchebag, and you need to run away as soon as you can.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on July 13, 2012, 07:17:46 PM
What does she do Selby? We have a couple open reqs.
She's got a degree in psychology and has been a case manager for low income\mentally unstable people for the last 4-5 years.  She got laid off and relocated out here and everyone wants a master's in social work and 10+ years experience for the same job she had back east (and pays the same as back east).  She's currently working at a loan auditing firm that essentially outsourced itself to America from overseas to get American contracts, while paying their workers what the asian subcontinent feels is "too much" ($10/hr basically).  She's very bitter about it.  Lots of interviews, lots of "we'll get back to you" followed by silence or "we went with an internal candidate\someone with 20 more years experience" responses.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on July 15, 2012, 02:44:12 AM
Hm, well, unless that qualifies her to be a VP of HR (it might  :why_so_serious:) I don't think we have anything matching.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 17, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
Going to look for another contractor.  You will have to go through Tek Systems.  Need an AIX expert.  Standard pay, weekend/evening work, free soda, and you get to work with me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 18, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
You are supposed to be pitching the job, not tanking the chances of someone applying for it Yeg!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 18, 2012, 10:27:03 AM
We need a gameplay programmer (UE3), a backend programmer, a UI artist and two senior QA bods.

Also a lead designer but I've pitched for that so don't go breaking my heart.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 18, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Tell them to pull my resume out for the QA position. :-P

Verbal Update:  Did a Terminal Services conversion which took 125 piece-of-junk workstations and made them decent thin clients using Thinstation in a 6-week period.  Migrated a remote office shortly afterwards, and spent last week moving a second office over.  Required extensive knowledge of Terminal Server, AD, GPO, DNS, DHCP, and Exchange.

kthnx


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 18, 2012, 02:57:33 PM
If you're still interested then you should reapply. I don't think they keep old CVs. Mention me in your cover letter if you do (goes for anyone here).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on July 18, 2012, 03:23:36 PM
Dear Creative Director,

Please accept my attached CV for consideration for your open Lead Game Designer position. I'm totally way better than that Iain guy.

Cheers, Viin


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 18, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Today my boss tells me he is taking the early retirement package (that the general public might not know about).  Besides the fact that I will have had four managers inside of three years, this means I have no choice but to tell him that I need a title change before he leaves.  I have worked too hard on this project - and done too good of a job - to start over proving myself to someone new.

Also today, I attended a presentation just to congratulate my account on a milestone: no service misses for this month, the first time since the account opened in January 2010.  Additionally, my project (yeah, it's big and visible enough to be singled out) was "green" for the first time ever.

And... fucking Swype.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on July 18, 2012, 06:42:12 PM
Tomorrow is D day.  4% reduction in my line of business at management level and no one is protected.   :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 18, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
 :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on July 18, 2012, 08:51:47 PM
Tomorrow is D day.  4% reduction in my line of business at management level and no one is protected.   :ye_gods:
Rumours are going around of 10% at my job too.  No one knows when but it's been talked about for at least 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 19, 2012, 09:43:11 AM
A lot of shit is hitting the fan. Next year is when we find out if the county follows through on their promise to de-fund libraries completely. We're one more major public tax vote away from short-term stability, but the tea-tards are out in full force.

They fucking use our wifi.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on July 19, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Setup a filter on the wifi that redirects tea party websites to someplace fun  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 19, 2012, 01:57:09 PM
Setup a filter on the wifi that redirects tea party websites to someplace fun  :grin:
See if they want a lemon party to go with their tea party?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 19, 2012, 01:59:31 PM
Sometimes it's difficult when you're on the high road.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on July 19, 2012, 02:05:35 PM
Setup a filter on the wifi that redirects tea party websites to someplace fun  :grin:
See if they want a lemon party to go with their tea party?

This times a million.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on July 19, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
Tomorrow is D day.  4% reduction in my line of business at management level and no one is protected.   :ye_gods:
Rumours are going around of 10% at my job too.  No one knows when but it's been talked about for at least 3 weeks.

Remember that the economists have said that the recession is over, right? 

I hope you guys aren't part of it and that everything comes out okay.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 19, 2012, 02:20:59 PM
Sometimes it's difficult when you're on the high road.

Serving all the public, even the douchebags, is not the easiest of jobs that is a fact.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on July 19, 2012, 06:00:35 PM
I survived but it has been a brutal day.  Never, ever, ever seen one like this before (this would be my 5th one or so).

Now for the re-org.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on July 19, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
You'd think 4%-management-only would be relatively "easy" as layoffs go. Our are always 10%-mostly-grunts.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 19, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
If you're still interested then you should reapply. I don't think they keep old CVs. Mention me in your cover letter if you do (goes for anyone here).
I'm interested, but I don't want to be moving too far away for a few years at this point in time.  After that I may want to get far away.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 19, 2012, 07:07:29 PM
You'd think 4%-management-only would be relatively "easy" as layoffs go. Our are always 10%-mostly-grunts.

Eventually senior management realizes that if they cut more grunts middle-management will have to do the work and has no idea how.  Plus they cost a lot more and you can't shift them to multiple part-timers to cover the same job as easily as the grunts. (No benefits to pay, yay!)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 19, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
I'm interested, but I don't want to be moving too far away for a few years at this point in time.  After that I may want to get far away.
I'm also dying to relocate to his region...but I decided to be the responsible man and stand behind my fiancee's wish to be near her elderly mother, especially as she got ill last year. Responsibility sucks in some ways, dammit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 20, 2012, 09:13:15 AM
It's not the being responsible bit that sucks, leaving right now would probably amplify it, but what do you do when the situation sucks regardless?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 20, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
Well, we're one big budget hit from forcing my hand on the situation. It's just weird realizing I've hit an age where I can't just pick up and move thousands of miles away 'just because'. I used to be so very gypsy.

If you don't have family tying you down, I'd say do it while you can :) The gypsy life slowed down my financial goals, but those are always uncertain and I really value the years I moved around and met new people all the time.

That's if mean old Iain isn't shredding your resume!  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 20, 2012, 10:22:07 AM
My advice in general to people considering moving abroad to work is to do it. It opens your mind in a lot of ways and changes your outlook profoundly. Even if you have family then figure out a way to make it work, things are inevitably simpler than they appear at first and a decent company hiring foreign workers will assist you with relocating dependants and partners.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 20, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
It's not the being responsible bit that sucks, leaving right now would probably amplify it, but what do you do when the situation sucks regardless?

You realize that your chances of finding a cute woman with a gypsy accent are significantly improved in Europe, decide to do something for yourself for once and move.

 :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 20, 2012, 11:41:11 AM
Heh.  That can wait a few years.

Being with dad and making sure mom is taken care of is more important right now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 20, 2012, 11:49:39 AM
Being with dad and making sure mom is taken care of is more important right now.
Yep, this. My mother would be fine, we have lots of family in the area. But my fiancee is an only child and they have no other family at all, so she's the sole (well, along with me) caretaker and her mom is in her 80s.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on July 20, 2012, 03:31:37 PM
That's if mean old Iain isn't shredding your resume!  :ye_gods:

Red Panda high 5!

(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/7/19/4xoNjOihtkeVQ7VPV3ADNQ2.gif)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 21, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
I survived but it has been a brutal day.  Never, ever, ever seen one like this before (this would be my 5th one or so).

Now for the re-org.   :uhrr:

Power vacuum?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: shiznitz on July 25, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
I'm interested, but I don't want to be moving too far away for a few years at this point in time.  After that I may want to get far away.
I'm also dying to relocate to his region...but I decided to be the responsible man and stand behind my fiancee's wish to be near her elderly mother, especially as she got ill last year. Responsibility sucks in some ways, dammit.

Don't miss good long term opportunities over short term issues.  I know it is not an easy thing to try and think past the death of an in-law without your spouse calling you heartless or worse, but you are in the middle of your life while your in-law is at the end of hers. 

But I don't know your situation, obviously.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on August 03, 2012, 06:43:22 PM
Yep, this. My mother would be fine, we have lots of family in the area. But my fiancee is an only child and they have no other family at all, so she's the sole (well, along with me) caretaker and her mom is in her 80s.

No parents to speak of here, which is why I just took a job on the other side of Canada.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 03, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
Don't miss good long term opportunities over short term issues.  I know it is not an easy thing to try and think past the death of an in-law without your spouse calling you heartless or worse, but you are in the middle of your life while your in-law is at the end of hers. 

But I don't know your situation, obviously.
That's pretty heartless. I'm not going to abandon my mother-in-law to fend for herself.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Evildrider on August 03, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
Don't miss good long term opportunities over short term issues.  I know it is not an easy thing to try and think past the death of an in-law without your spouse calling you heartless or worse, but you are in the middle of your life while your in-law is at the end of hers. 

But I don't know your situation, obviously.
That's pretty heartless. I'm not going to abandon my mother-in-law to fend for herself.

This is similar to my situation.  When my Dad passed my aunt and I moved back home to take care of my Mom.  I've been out of work now a couple of years, and it sucks, but I can't really abandon my Mom to move someplace else for a job.  It wouldn't be so bad if she was a bit healthier but she's been slowly declining and her memory has been getting worse and worse.  Right now it's to the point where she can't even keep track of what day it is anymore.  Also family is family and it's bad enough I have other relatives that still try to leech off of her.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 03, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
Don't miss good long term opportunities over short term issues.  I know it is not an easy thing to try and think past the death of an in-law without your spouse calling you heartless or worse, but you are in the middle of your life while your in-law is at the end of hers. 

But I don't know your situation, obviously.
That's pretty heartless. I'm not going to abandon my mother-in-law to fend for herself.

More importantly, would you abandon your mother or father?  If not, then why are you asking your spouse to abandon theirs?

I'm glad I didn't move away prior to my dad's death in '08.   I would have regretted it when he took a very unexpected downturn due to an infection and died inside of a month.  As it is I feel bad that I didn't go to the hospital for two days after he was admitted just because it was 2 hours away.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 08, 2012, 10:42:28 PM
Wife has decided to urge me to find employment at another company due to rampant :uhrr: at my current one.  So, anyone need a team lead with strong AIX/TSM/ksh and varying degrees of EMC/Oracle/DB2/SAP BASIS/leeenux/unix_is_unix_how_hard_can_it_be? :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 09, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
Wife has decided to urge me to find employment at another company due to rampant :uhrr: at my current one.  So, anyone need a team lead with strong AIX/TSM/ksh and varying degrees of EMC/Oracle/DB2/SAP BASIS/leeenux/unix_is_unix_how_hard_can_it_be? :why_so_serious:

What happened to your soon to be retiring boss who was dragging you a few rungs up on the corporate ladder on his way out?  If it were me and it still looked like this was going to happen I think I would tough it out for 6 months so I could plan a sideways exit based on the newer position.  Normally this makes the guy who just elevated you look bad but he will be retired so I doubt he gives a crap.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 09, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Wife has decided to urge me to find employment at another company due to rampant :uhrr: at my current one.  So, anyone need a team lead with strong AIX/TSM/ksh and varying degrees of EMC/Oracle/DB2/SAP BASIS/leeenux/unix_is_unix_how_hard_can_it_be? :why_so_serious:
How masochistic are you?  How much do you hate your family? :evil:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 09, 2012, 10:34:12 AM
What happened to your soon to be retiring boss who was dragging you a few rungs up on the corporate ladder on his way out?  If it were me and it still looked like this was going to happen I think I would tough it out for 6 months so I could plan a sideways exit based on the newer position.  Normally this makes the guy who just elevated you look bad but he will be retired so I doubt he gives a crap.

Oh, this hasn't gone away, however the depth of :uhrr: has increased so I'm just keeping my options open.  I'm now a Team Lead, next step is to socialize my name out so I can start moving around to other accounts.  The main issue right now is that the services division head was sacked and replaced with someone from finance.  That's never good.  My account team executive was already replaced by someone from finance, which was bad enough but when the entire services division gets a beancounter as lead I need to devise a Plan B and possibly Plan C.

How masochistic are you?  How much do you hate your family? :evil:

This depends entirely on the salary and if I can work remotely.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 09, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
The main issue right now is that the services division head was sacked and replaced with someone from finance.  That's never good.  My account team executive was already replaced by someone from finance, which was bad enough but when the entire services division gets a beancounter as lead I need to devise a Plan B and possibly Plan C.
It could be worse, they could have replaced him with someone from sales...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 09, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
It could be worse, yes, which is why I'm still here.  Also, I'm scheduled for Suse training next month.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 09, 2012, 02:54:10 PM
This depends entirely on the salary and if I can work remotely.
Peanuts.  You can work remotely after you go home from your 8 to 10-hour day.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ezrast on August 09, 2012, 06:05:13 PM
Just got offered an entry-level network tech position at a small hosting company. Full time, benefits, way better than my lazy ass deserves. Turned my day from kind of stressful to awesome in a heartbeat.

Now I just have to move out of my buddy's spare room and I'll be like a real grown-up.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on August 09, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
The main issue right now is that the services division head was sacked and replaced with someone from finance.  That's never good.  My account team executive was already replaced by someone from finance, which was bad enough but when the entire services division gets a beancounter as lead I need to devise a Plan B and possibly Plan C.
I swear it's like the damn MBAs are taking over everything and subjecting us all to their masochistic love of spreadsheets and account balances.  Something that an accountant in a department used to do is now forced on everyone to do individually and there's hell to pay if you don't already know and love the bean counting ways.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 09, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
Recessions mean that everything comes under harder financial scrutiny.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 09, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
Recessions Alumni services for business schools mean that everything comes under harder financial scrutiny.
FTFY.

--Dave


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 09, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
The main issue right now is that the services division head was sacked and replaced with someone from finance.

Our IT department was fairly recently moved to report to the CFO instead of the VP of Ops (we haven't had a CIO since the last one retired) and it has actually been a pretty huge improvement. I am as surprised as anyone.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on August 09, 2012, 08:46:17 PM
My advice in general to people considering moving abroad to work is to do it. It opens your mind in a lot of ways and changes your outlook profoundly. Even if you have family then figure out a way to make it work, things are inevitably simpler than they appear at first and a decent company hiring foreign workers will assist you with relocating dependants and partners.
Or join the Foreign Service like I just did, and they'll send you all over the place while paying for all your housing and bills!  You also get the advantage of serving your country instead of random evil corporation!  Anybody here who is even decently computer savy (getting through the interview process is more a matter of how good at writing and interviews you are, rather than what you know walking in the door.  They train you for everything else.) could get in as a computer tech (an IMS or IMTS).  I mean, hell, I got in somehow.  Also, age doesn't matter in the slightest.  My new recruit class through orientation ranged from a 24 year old to a 55 year old who's been in the IT industry for 30 years.

Though of course you don't have a whole lot of say in where you go (though you get decent control on your first time out).  When we had our Flag Day (ceremony where they finally announce where each of us are going and hand us the flag), there was sort of a funny Russian roulette of 6 possible places I was going to end up:  Ho Chi Mihn City, Bangkok, Kathmandu, Warsaw, New Delhi, or Lagos (Nigeria).   :why_so_serious:

But I lived.  They're sending me to Poland!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 09, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
Congratulations on the job Ezrast.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 09, 2012, 09:32:11 PM
Yes, congratulations ezrast.  I've added your handle to my Firefox dictionary as a token of respect.

I don't know why anyone would work for peanuts when they could just get two $45/hr admin contracts and work both at the same time, remotely.  If you're conservative, just keep your main job and take on a remote contract and slop your way through it in the evenings.

As for the change in leadership, I suppose it can't be too bad as long as I survive the process.  Change is opportunity, of course, so I need to figure out some way to capitalize on it.  Fortunately, I'm a thousand times more mercenary than I was two years ago.  This doesn't mean that I abandoned my pride in my work, just that I am not going to (intentionally) be a lackey that is stuck in a rut.  Finishing this project on time and under budget will be a Big Deal that I can use to mobilize myself.  Either within HP or elsewhere.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 11, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Or join the Foreign Service like I just did, and they'll send you all over the place while paying for all your housing and bills!  You also get the advantage of serving your country instead of random evil corporation!

 :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on August 12, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
Or join the Foreign Service like I just did, and they'll send you all over the place while paying for all your housing and bills!  You also get the advantage of serving your country instead of random evil corporation!
:grin:
I suppose a known evil corporation is better than a random one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on August 21, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Whelp, I just survived my fourth round of layoffs at Funcom in 4 years. Yay, me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on August 21, 2012, 03:06:46 PM
Yay! \o/


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 22, 2012, 07:20:09 AM
I'm an instructional designer with five years experience and an M.Ed. (currently working on a PhD.) and would love to get the hell out of the podunk central Florida town I currently work in.  We value timeliness over quality, and it's so much  :uhrr: at once that I'm dying to get out.

Anyone have training departments or something hiring for not terrible pay?  I love being on f13 all day, but I want to...you know, work and stuff too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on August 22, 2012, 07:28:56 AM
I'm an instructional designer with five years experience and an M.Ed. (currently working on a PhD.) and would love to get the hell out of the podunk central Florida town I currently work in.  We value timeliness over quality, and it's so much  :uhrr: at once that I'm dying to get out.

Anyone have training departments or something hiring for not terrible pay?  I love being on f13 all day, but I want to...you know, work and stuff too.

http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.showJob&RID=118606&CurrentPage=1

"5+ years instructional design experience creating innovative sales and technical training solutions within high-tech companies"
"MA in instructional design, related discipline or equivalent work experience"

Seems to fit (well enough) your qualifications.

No offense but go to each of the fortune 500 companies home page.  Click 'Jobs' o the equivalent.  Click search.  Enter "Instructional Designer".  Press enter.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 22, 2012, 08:57:55 AM
I don't know why anyone would work for peanuts when they could just get two $45/hr admin contracts and work both at the same time, remotely.  If you're conservative, just keep your main job and take on a remote contract and slop your way through it in the evenings.
Maybe we don't know where to look to find such things!

*goes back to counting his peanuts*


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 22, 2012, 09:00:48 AM
I was looking more for folks who like their current employer.  www.higheredjobs.com is good too.

I'm just having a really bad week at work, and I think it's spilling over.

Interesting Apple posting.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 22, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
There was an instructional designer type job recently at Illinois. Jobs.illinois.edu then select "academic job board" (they broke the direct link to the site somehow a couple weeks ago)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on August 22, 2012, 12:39:40 PM
There was an instructional designer type job recently at Illinois. Jobs.illinois.edu then select "academic job board" (they broke the direct link to the site somehow a couple weeks ago)

I think its fixed?   https://jobs.illinois.edu/academic-job-board (https://jobs.illinois.edu/academic-job-board)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 22, 2012, 02:03:36 PM
Oh cool they did. Must have fixed it this weekend, it wasn't working on Friday evening.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 22, 2012, 03:00:56 PM
Can anyone describe, in non-marketing or buzzword terms, what ITIL actually means?

Half the tech jobs nowadays require X years with it, and even though I've read the Wikipedia article on it several times, I still don't get it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 22, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
Like any of those things, it looks like it is a framework for documenting the IT capabilities and processes the IT department adheres to. (Plus asks questions like, what is your process for validating your data backup strategy? How often is this executed? etc)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 22, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
Yeah my (very vague) understanding of it is that its basically the UK version of the controls we do for SOX audits.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 22, 2012, 04:02:49 PM
So if I have experience with implementing and meeting ISO 27001, PCI/DSS, SOX, GLB, and similar requirements... ITIL is just another version of that?

Well heck, why didn't they just SAY so?   :uhrr:

(goes off to add another buzzword to his resume)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 22, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
ITIL looks like it might be a British thing? Is it a British company?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ard on August 23, 2012, 12:47:45 AM
It's a series of buzzwords and concepts wrapped around basic IT management concepts, but repackaged and resold to the same morons that bought into six sigma and the like.  It's not a certification process like the ISO's, it's middle management bullshit.  I was forced to take a basic class in it about a year ago, and it just confirmed that it was an utter waste of time.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on August 23, 2012, 06:03:02 AM
I'm an instructional designer with five years experience and an M.Ed. (currently working on a PhD.) and would love to get the hell out of the podunk central Florida town I currently work in.  We value timeliness over quality, and it's so much  :uhrr: at once that I'm dying to get out.

Anyone have training departments or something hiring for not terrible pay?  I love being on f13 all day, but I want to...you know, work and stuff too.

I'd suggest fishing around on jobs.google.com and see if you find anything interesting.  We have a department that deals with internal training (Google EngEDU) and groups that deal with training and courseware and such that's external-facing as well.  I found a couple reqs that may be of interest, but I don't know a lot about this specific area:
http://www.google.com/about/jobs/locations/seattle-kirkland/engineering/ux/instructional-designer-seattle-kirkland.html (also in Mountain View and New York)
http://www.google.com/about/jobs/locations/mountain-view/ops-support/program/technical-training-and-certification-program-manager-cloud-platform-mountain-view.html
http://www.google.com/about/jobs/locations/mountain-view/prodcs/technical-courseware-developer-publisher-and-distribution-solutions-mountain-view.html

I'm happy to feed a resume into the referral system if you want (should be no worse odds than if you just push the apply button) -- feel free to drop me a PM. 

Also, if anybody has background in embedded systems or OS (Linux especially, Android a plus) engineering, and is interested in that sort of work, the core Android team and Android@Home are always hiring and I'm always happy to pass resumes along for Android related roles.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 23, 2012, 06:15:14 AM
I have an interview tomorrow and I had forgotten how unreasonably nervous I get about them.

Anyone else just HATE them ?  Christ, I used to interview by the bucketload while I was in charge.  You'd think I'd have better defenses than this.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 23, 2012, 07:31:23 AM
Interviews are terrible. In academia, they're especially exhausting for permanent or tenure-track positions. You usually have to fly to a professional association meeting on your own dime to go through "screening interviews", about 12 to 14 candidates who are being winnowed down to 3 or 4. If you're invited on-campus for the next stage, you give a lecture, you get grilled over two days by tons and tons of faculty one-on-one and in groups, you meet with students, you meet with a provost or dean, you go to dinner and have to constantly remember that everybody's watching you and trying to find out if you're ok by whatever weird personal standards of ok they each have. And then you often wait a month or two to hear anything at all. If you don't get anything, it's often April and you're essentially fucked for the entirety of the coming year unless you had some kind of back-up gig, because hiring is almost entirely seasonal. If you go through this more than four times over four years, not only are you out of money unless you married rich or were born rich, a lot of employers stop looking at you because there must be something wrong if you've been on the market that long. In a lot of fields, there are no more than 5-8 desirable positions in that field in a given year, and you have no control over where they might be. If it's East Bumfuck University in North Nowhere, then you send off your resume and hope, because you really don't get to be picky. The stress of the interview process is intense and you have to be very careful to never, ever let it show during the interview--that's exactly what might let someone say, "Oh, well, he was kind of nervous and a bit irritable, I don't think he can handle teaching here."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on August 23, 2012, 07:38:27 AM
Interviews are terrible. In academia...
Interviewing for my current position was like that, just because it was working for a university.  Stressful and very time consuming.  I must have impressed though because I have a job!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 23, 2012, 07:42:33 AM
Yeah, we do it for a lot of staff positions too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on August 23, 2012, 08:31:34 AM
I've only done the full multi-person interview thing twice, back in 1998 when I interviewed with Be and had a full day of 7 interviews (including one during lunch), which sounded really intimidating but wasn't all that bad (though it was a long day), and then in 2005 when Google acquired Android and I was interviewed by 4 people there -- we had heard a lot of rumors about the Google interview process being pretty brutal (a reputation that still exists), but again it wasn't too bad.

I think I may actually like interviewing people less than being interviewed, in a way.  Trying to assess if someone is technically competent and is a good fit for the team in 45 minutes is not easy, in my experience, mostly because while there are certain things that can be clear red flags, getting a clear "yes this is somebody who will definitely do great" is a lot harder.   Candidates that just completely crash and burn or are absolutely amazing are the easiest to confidently evaluate, but I've found that they're the rare ones, especially the latter.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 23, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Anyone else just HATE them ?  Christ, I used to interview by the bucketload while I was in charge.  You'd think I'd have better defenses than this.
I can't stand them, and the two sets of two I had were basically confirmations that I would fit in.  (A tiny amount of competition for the second, but still a matter of "do we choose A or B?")

I'm a nervous wreck until it's over and done with.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on August 23, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Somehow, I just can't imagine you being nervous about something like this, IW.  You always seem so confident.  Me, I don't like interviews either.  Mostly I forget to turn up and when I do turn up, I usually forget what the job is about.  I'll be looking again soon, though.  Of course, there won't be much to be nervous about since I'll be looking at places that are tattoo and piercing friendly as I seem to be going a bit obsessively overboard in that direction.  Must be compensating for something lacking, I guess.  Vitamin D, maybe?
You'll do great, I'm sure.  Who could resist your girlish good looks and feminine wiles.  Or something.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: 01101010 on August 23, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
Interviews are terrible. In academia, they're especially exhausting for permanent or tenure-track positions. You usually have to fly to a professional association meeting on your own dime to go through "screening interviews", about 12 to 14 candidates who are being winnowed down to 3 or 4. If you're invited on-campus for the next stage, you give a lecture, you get grilled over two days by tons and tons of faculty one-on-one and in groups, you meet with students, you meet with a provost or dean, you go to dinner and have to constantly remember that everybody's watching you and trying to find out if you're ok by whatever weird personal standards of ok they each have. And then you often wait a month or two to hear anything at all. If you don't get anything, it's often April and you're essentially fucked for the entirety of the coming year unless you had some kind of back-up gig, because hiring is almost entirely seasonal. If you go through this more than four times over four years, not only are you out of money unless you married rich or were born rich, a lot of employers stop looking at you because there must be something wrong if you've been on the market that long. In a lot of fields, there are no more than 5-8 desirable positions in that field in a given year, and you have no control over where they might be. If it's East Bumfuck University in North Nowhere, then you send off your resume and hope, because you really don't get to be picky. The stress of the interview process is intense and you have to be very careful to never, ever let it show during the interview--that's exactly what might let someone say, "Oh, well, he was kind of nervous and a bit irritable, I don't think he can handle teaching here."

This was a huge factor in my decision to not complete my Ph.D. - not the only factor, but it was a big one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 23, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
PhD track education has gotten a lot of negative press lately.  Maybe it will start culling out the ranks a bit as people look for other opportunities.  In many ways, a PhD is a useless degree for most of the people that would consider it. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 23, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
PhD track education has gotten a lot of negative press lately.  Maybe it will start culling out the ranks a bit as people look for other opportunities.  In many ways, a PhD is a useless degree for most of the people that would consider it. 

The reason being that many PhD's are a joke to obtain.  Pay your $$$ and put in your time and you get a PhD.  I tell my advisees that you should only consider a PhD degree if a) your employer will guarantee you some benefit for obtaining it or b) you obtain the degree from a top 10 school in that field. 

The PhD job market in most fields is abysmal and the pay at the PhD level isn't well correlated to the time investment required to obtain the terminal degree. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 23, 2012, 10:32:05 AM
The thing is, a tenure-track job (if you get tenure) is still a very good job in the current marketplace, despite all the considerable downsides. It's just that it's the ultimate in tournament-economies: the chances of getting such a job are going down steadily every year, and getting such a job requires a considerable amount of luck--no matter how good you are in your field as a newly-minted Ph.D, getting a TT job requires luck. I've seen searches where a department deadlocks over the candidates because the two best candidates are favored by opposing factions within the department, so they settle on a third compromise candidate that everyone agrees is not as good as the other two. Or sometimes it's between two or three great people and therefore the selection comes down to something very nearly random that none of the candidates could possibly have known about or done differently.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 23, 2012, 10:34:55 AM
Be aware that many Universities are trying to get away from the tenure model as well.  I imagine that we'll see more faculty positions be on 3 or 5 year renewable contracts in the future.  It's a nice way to have post-tenure review without the legal problems of firing someone with tenure.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 23, 2012, 10:37:23 AM
Though Nebu is also right that the pay isn't that great relative to the time investment. A lot of fields can take seven or eight years *on average* to completion, and in the humanities, that means you don't even have a predoc/postdoc placement in a lab to work with, just maybe a teaching stipend in your fifth or sixth year. If you start teaching adjunct classes elsewhere when you're an ABD (all-but-dissertation) that will almost certainly stretch out time to completion even further. The number of tenure-track positions that pay off a solid return-on-investment for that time and effort are very few and the competition for them is fierce. It's not uncommon for elite colleges and universities to get 200-400 applications for an open tenure-track position, of which maybe 25% are well-qualified candidates who need to be taken seriously. And in many fields, a position like that literally opens once in a generation--whoever gets it might well hold it for thirty to forty years.

However, there are non-salary compensations that are really important. In most fields and institutions, you have a lot of control over your own time--there's a lot of work but you can time-shift it and do it how and when works best for you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 23, 2012, 10:40:30 AM
However, there are non-salary compensations that are really important. In most fields and institutions, you have a lot of control over your own time--there's a lot of work but you can time-shift it and do it how and when works best for you.

The personal and intellectual freedom does help offset the pay.  I also have the ability to augment my salary by as much as 30% by paying myself for the 3 months of summer (off of grants) and various consulting gigs.  Then there's the travel for meetings and sabbaticals every 7 years.  Yum!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 23, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
Seven or 8 years to obtain a PhD is really fairly ludicrous unless you just really, really want to do it. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 23, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
Seven or 8 years to obtain a PhD is really fairly ludicrous unless you just really, really want to do it.  

It only takes that long if a) you don't work hard or b) your advisor is an asshole.  Both are avoidable.  

I got my PhD in a little over 3 years from a tough advisor (granted, I worked 80+ hour weeks and never took days off).  The time sink in the sciences is in getting stuck in the postdoc loop.  That can last a LONG fucking time.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 23, 2012, 10:57:03 AM
Was that after your masters?  Because 3 years for a PhD would be atypical.  This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/03/education/03education.html) says that the average time for a PhD is 8.2 years and in the field of education it balloons up to 13 years.  That seems excessive for what you get out of it.  

Addendum-  I also wasn't aware of this fact: 

Quote
Most science programs allow students to submit three research papers rather than a single grand work.

I need to go and have a talk with the folks I did my masters degree with.  I think they owe me some different letters now.    :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 23, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
Right. The average time is that long because:

a) your advisor is an asshole
b) you have to do work on the side to make ends meet
c) you start to have doubts about whether this is a good idea but can't bring yourself to just write it off to sunken costs, so you stall

Also some fields have serious time issues that are a bit intrinsic. Anthropology, for example, pretty much requires being resident at a fieldsite for a very considerable period of time if you want people to take your work seriously. Historians *have* to spend a pretty substantial time in archives--folks will know if you cut corners or didn't look at important evidence or material. Etc. The time to completion is a bit of a function of how competitive the job market it--this raises the standard for how strong your initial research needs to be, and encourages many candidates to keep doing more research, adding more material, etc.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 23, 2012, 11:34:51 AM
I have to admit that I, like Nebu, am in the health/biological sciences end of things so I really have no concept how PhD education works for the humanities/history/polysci, etc.  I do have a buddy that got a PhD in poly sci from the University of Indiana.  He now works as a statistics cruncher for the education department at a university up in Minnesota. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 23, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
I have an interview tomorrow and I had forgotten how unreasonably nervous I get about them.

Anyone else just HATE them ?  Christ, I used to interview by the bucketload while I was in charge.  You'd think I'd have better defenses than this.


The only thing I hate more is auditions. They're like interviews where you can't bullshit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Segoris on August 23, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
I have an interview tomorrow and I had forgotten how unreasonably nervous I get about them.

Anyone else just HATE them ?  Christ, I used to interview by the bucketload while I was in charge.  You'd think I'd have better defenses than this.


I don't mind interviews. Though, the closest to a panel interview I've had was when the "team" I was joinng was able to ask me a couple questions and try and gauge personality and history a little bit, so I don't know how those really are when in true panel fashion. One on one I'm comfortable and confident as can be and usually just have multiple interviews by individuals.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 23, 2012, 01:46:00 PM
I would like to have a PhD and that endowed chair position listing at the Uni Chimpy linked, basically: do cool stuff with music. With tenure.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 23, 2012, 05:12:44 PM
I ha several star chamber, I mean panel, interviews when I was interviewing for residency.  They blow.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Torinak on August 23, 2012, 11:03:43 PM
I have an interview tomorrow and I had forgotten how unreasonably nervous I get about them.

Anyone else just HATE them ?  Christ, I used to interview by the bucketload while I was in charge.  You'd think I'd have better defenses than this.


If it starts to go off the rails, can't you just yell "Kneel before Zod!" ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on August 23, 2012, 11:15:00 PM
Was that after your masters?  Because 3 years for a PhD would be atypical.  This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/03/education/03education.html) says that the average time for a PhD is 8.2 years and in the field of education it balloons up to 13 years.  That seems excessive for what you get out of it.
My department in engineering school managed to churn PhDs out of people who actually worked hard in 2.5-3 years.  Some people spent a year longer, but if you weren't done in 4 years you were either stupid or lazy.  If you were lazy as fuck or just dumb it could take MUCH longer: one guy in my department whose resume I managed to check out I found had started college when I was in 1st grade.  And he got his PhD 2 years after I got my master's, I think it was a mercy degree just to get him to leave.  It took him almost 11 years...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 24, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
Today wraps my second official week in looking for work.

About 16 resumes submitted thus far for various IT admin positions, and I just lined up my first interview on Monday.  Wish me luck...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Khaldun on August 24, 2012, 02:25:52 PM
Good luck! That seems pretty promising that you've already got an interview.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on August 24, 2012, 03:17:47 PM
Yeah, an interview already after only two weeks is damn great.  Good luck!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 24, 2012, 05:41:52 PM
About the $45/hour jobs, I am only looking at AIX or other UNIX admin positions.  I don't know what other people are searching on.  I am confident, however, that if someone has experience in any UNIX flavor they will be able to move sideways into any other UNIX if they are a good study.  I am going to assume that since Macs run on linux, there are some transferable skills.  Of course, I don't know a lot about linux's essential differences but really, how hard could it be to learn a new vfs or fstab layout?  Can you read a man page?  Can you read a command reference?  Ask questions when you get stuck (without fear!)?  If you can script in bash, you can script in ksh, csh(eww) or even perl with some study.

Once you get good you can bring in a lot more, but those positions are hard to find.  Although I am looking for people who know AIX, VIOS and PowerHA but I'm not currently seeking entry-level $30/hr people, rather I need the $60/hr people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 24, 2012, 09:05:38 PM
Today I was looking at all of the game industry people I am indirectly connected to on LinkedIn.  Now that I know how to lead a team, and more importantly how to fire people, I'm wondering if I can get a job in the industry that meets my salary requirements.

Seems totally unlikely. :oh_i_see:  But I'm open to the idea.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on August 24, 2012, 09:32:44 PM
I'm wondering if I can get a job in the industry

Probably.

that meets my salary requirements.
Probably not.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 24, 2012, 09:42:34 PM
Indeed.  I'll keep schlepping commercial UNIX for now.

Searching for "AIX" in the HP job tool gives funny results.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 24, 2012, 10:45:44 PM
Searching for "AIX" in the HP job tool gives funny results.

Does it auto-correct it to HP-UX ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 25, 2012, 04:30:07 AM
and more importantly how to fire people,

Wow.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 27, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
Well, I aced the headhunter's interview today - was told to expect a call for a second interview from the IT manager "tomorrow, more than likely."

Was a bit surprised how calm I was in the interview - but then again, I don't apply to positions I'm not qualified for (or possibly overqualified, as the headhunter indicated).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 28, 2012, 06:45:35 AM
Despite not enjoying the first at all, I have a second interview.  I also have to complete a personality test and an intelligence test.  Then a 45 minute presentation.

I'm really not sure I want the job at all, never mind that much.

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 28, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
Despite not enjoying the first at all, I have a second interview.  I also have to complete a personality test and an intelligence test.  Then a 45 minute presentation.

I'm really not sure I want the job at all, never mind that much.

 :oh_i_see:

I can't wait to find out how you do on a personality test.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 28, 2012, 03:18:15 PM
I've taken them before.  I do very well, except in the area of optimism/pessimism.   Humour/Fun and Leadership are usually the strengths, oddly.

It's always wise to bear in mind that you chaps don't actually know me.   :awesome_for_real:

(yeah, except you two.  Shush.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 28, 2012, 04:17:46 PM
I don't know Haemish either, that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy his personality results  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 28, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
Was that after your masters?  Because 3 years for a PhD would be atypical.  This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/03/education/03education.html) says that the average time for a PhD is 8.2 years and in the field of education it balloons up to 13 years.  

Gulp.  I start my PhD in Instructional Technology this year.

Oh boy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 28, 2012, 04:25:17 PM
Yuck, good luck with that!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 28, 2012, 06:08:23 PM
I've taken them before.  I do very well, except in the area of optimism/pessimism.   Humour/Fun and Leadership are usually the strengths, oddly.

It's always wise to bear in mind that you chaps don't actually know me.   :awesome_for_real:

Perhaps not, but as someone who's "known" you nigh on 10 years now none of the above results are surprising, regardless of how much shit I may give you otherwise.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 28, 2012, 08:32:22 PM
and more importantly how to fire people,

Wow.


I'm bona-fide! /o_brother_where_art_thou

Well, not quite... they were just contractors so it's not like they had real jobs, or real hopes and dreams, or a real retirement plan, etc.  I had to hand it to the one Windows guy who pretended to be a AIX specialist for about a month; that one was my fault entirely for believing what the contract company said.  Then one day he tells me he needs to know "the admin password". :oh_i_see:  Shortly after that, I took him into a room with me and a phone, then put my technical lead and my manager on speaker so we could give him another technical interview.  I did suggest he employ more honesty in future jobs, as he was being escorted off the premises.

So, I guess if you need someone who knows how to gut a fish, I've done it.

Does it auto-correct it to HP-UX ?

More or less, and it throws in a lot of other things.  Weird things.  I'm mostly counting on my current boss spreading my good name to the other managers, since that's what counts anyway.  Not this qualification and experience stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 28, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
and more importantly how to fire people,

Wow.


I'm bona-fide! /o_brother_where_art_thou

Well, not quite... they were just contractors so it's not like they had real jobs, or real hopes and dreams, or a real retirement plan, etc.  I had to hand it to the one Windows guy who pretended to be a AIX specialist for about a month; that one was my fault entirely for believing what the contract company said.  Then one day he tells me he needs to know "the admin password". :oh_i_see:  Shortly after that, I took him into a room with me and a phone, then put my technical lead and my manager on speaker so we could give him another technical interview.  I did suggest he employ more honesty in future jobs, as he was being escorted off the premises.

So, I guess if you need someone who knows how to gut a fish, I've done it.

Does it auto-correct it to HP-UX ?

More or less, and it throws in a lot of other things.  Weird things.  I'm mostly counting on my current boss spreading my good name to the other managers, since that's what counts anyway.  Not this qualification and experience stuff.

Letting go of a contractor is not the real thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 28, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
It is not.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 29, 2012, 03:49:32 AM
I'm just amazed that that's the 'important' thing in this scenario.

Firing is hard, really fucking hard, and people in management should know how to do it and do it properly, but honestly if you're good at hiring and budgeting, it should never really be an 'issue'. (Though it will have to be done at some point)

And, yeah, shoving contractors out the door is a lot different from pushing the guy who's worked with you for 15 years, but just doesn't get and cant' get the direction the company is going in now. 

 :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 29, 2012, 03:50:14 AM
I've taken them before.  I do very well, except in the area of optimism/pessimism.   Humour/Fun and Leadership are usually the strengths, oddly.

It's always wise to bear in mind that you chaps don't actually know me.   :awesome_for_real:

Perhaps not, but as someone who's "known" you nigh on 10 years now none of the above results are surprising, regardless of how much shit I may give you otherwise.

10 years of imaginary me.  Where does the time go ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on August 29, 2012, 04:20:06 AM
I don't think I could ever fire anyone.  Just couldn't.  Even if I hated their slimy guts.  For all my love of violent games and super scary gory films, I'm about as mushy as they come.  In real life, that is.  I cry when someone looks at me cross-eyed.  Sometimes I hate me for that.  I'm SO at the top of my soft list.  (and, yes, most of you are on some sort of list of mine - I'm a list person)

I'm sure IW will excel in both the IQ and the Personality test.  You KNOW he'll ace the first one and those clever little brainy cells of his will give him the ability to trick the second one.  Right? 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on August 29, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
Firing is hard, really fucking hard...

Yeah, that.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 29, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
I find firing people quite easy.  It usually devolves into: You're not meeting expectations and I have to let you go.  Of course, all of my employees know that they're on soft money, so they know they will all be fired eventually.  That makes things much easier from a legal standpoint.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 29, 2012, 04:00:09 PM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on August 29, 2012, 06:26:18 PM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:

Damn, Strazos, you win.  Amazing how far someone will go just to outdo others!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on August 29, 2012, 06:57:48 PM
Seriously, way to one up everyone - jerk.                 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on August 29, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:

Considering what it took for my wife to fire someone in federal government (18 month process and pending appeals), I can imagine. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Abagadro on August 30, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
Try having to ride herd on 2000 union employees.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on August 30, 2012, 07:13:48 AM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:

We had an employee two offices down from me who was here on a work visa.  A condition of his employment was that he could get a security clearance.  So, if could get the clearance he could work in the US and eventually become a citizen.

Yeah, while waiting for the clearance to go through he took an unannounced trip to Iran to visit family (he was Iranian), failed his clearance investigation because of that, got fired and was expelled from the country and is now probably on every watch list in Europe and the US.  If he had cleared the trip through the security office it would have been fine.

Whoops.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on August 30, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
I once shot a man in the face, just to see what a hole in a man's face would look like.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on August 30, 2012, 08:18:16 AM
I once shot a man in the face, just to see what a hole in a man's face would look like.

I would probably find it easier to shoot a man in the face and peek through the hole because no words are involved.  I tend to stutter, fidget and blush in awkward confrontations which make words hard.  Shooting in the face, however, doesn't involve conversation.  And when I hurt someone's feelings, I usually try to give them my shoes to make up for it.  And I love my shoes!

Like I said, I don't think I could ever fire anyone and I don't want to have to shoot them in the face, either.  Why can't everyone just, you know, hang out?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on August 30, 2012, 09:06:51 AM
Firings are never easy because usually the people are too clueless to see it coming in my industry. However after every tax season there's a two week window before the May Death March. This season was the first one where everyone kept their jobs, but it was close.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on August 30, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:
I really can't imagine this is even a tiny bit hard. "Congratulations fuckbag, you can never come back." It's not like you would ever have to spend years of your life with this person.

That aside, I don't think I'd ever have an issue with firing someone unless there was truly no good reason other than folks up top pinching pennies.

But then, Schadenfreude is a powerful drug.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on August 30, 2012, 11:55:14 AM
I've only ever had to fire someone because they were being a useless pile of shit, i.e. missing work without calling in, being late all the time, being verbally abusive to patients, etc.  I have no problem firing someone in that case.  And the sad thing is, that with all the documentation that I do, if someone gets fired by me they really, really deserve it and should have seen it coming.  There's plenty if time to alter behavior.  I've never had to fire someone because I didn't need them or couldn't pay them, so I imagine that is difficult, emotionally.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on August 30, 2012, 05:56:47 PM
I had the joy of laying people off people that I worked with for almost a decade for the only reason that office was being closed due to those positions moving elsewhere.  I still had a job in the same location due to me being a sysadmin / manager.  Shortly after that was when I found a different job. 

As far as banning the person from the country if it was some of the shitstains I have worked with over the years i would probably be incredibly happy :).  Usually the way karma works with me though it would be one of the nicest people in the world with several small children who was supporting his cancer ridden mother or some such thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 30, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
The shitstains are the ones with staying power.  I can think of people I would love to fire.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on August 31, 2012, 04:43:06 AM
God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 31, 2012, 07:30:51 AM
God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   :oh_i_see:

Turnabout's fair play when you're trying to run my company into the ground by doing nothing more than suckling the teat of a very large, very successful company.

I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 31, 2012, 07:32:23 AM
So, second interview went well.  Presentation killed and tests came back saying I was awesome, except in the area of spatial recognition, which dipped to 38%.

In fairness, I did the tests at 10 at night after a nip or six.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on August 31, 2012, 08:46:11 AM
I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.
When I was a manager at wellymart, I never fired anyone. Even the laziest shittiest guy on my crew could do just about any other job in the store. And if they're borderline retarded but pleasant; people greeter. If not, cart pusher.

But at the library, I'm all about your first sentence. We've had to endure a lot of financial shit the past seven years and the core team is really awesome and doing better than this place has seen since the 50s. It's pretty amazing to be part of. But there are still a faction of people who haven't realized we've locked the ivory tower and the gravy train left town years ago. It's kind of sad, really, because we're a family here.

The weird part is all the people who were rebels ten years ago are the establishment now; and the folks who were the establishment are the rebels. That's what happens when the lead rabble-rouser gets the directorship, eh? The part the old guard doesn't get is that we'd have been closed for six years now if it wasn't for her. Ah, well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on August 31, 2012, 08:50:22 AM
God, you guys are mean.  I wouldn't fire anyone unless I found them another job first.  It's only right.   :oh_i_see:

Turnabout's fair play when you're trying to run my company into the ground by doing nothing more than suckling the teat of a very large, very successful company.

I work hard to make us successful and feel like we should fire those who don't.  However, we practically never fire anyone and have never had a financial layoff in 82 years.

You said teat.  lol.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on August 31, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
I would have never guessed it could be so...emotionally draining, to permanently ban someone from the country.  :oh_i_see:
I really can't imagine this is even a tiny bit hard. "Congratulations fuckbag, you can never come back." It's not like you would ever have to spend years of your life with this person.

That aside, I don't think I'd ever have an issue with firing someone unless there was truly no good reason other than folks up top pinching pennies.

In a certain sense, it's not - in this instance, all the people committed fraud (misrepresentation). However, it can sometimes be tough it be civil about it, and keep a straight face, especially as people argue or plead or misunderstand or whathaveyou. It definitely gets easier over time, though in this instance I had to do it to about 20 people in a row (cleared a bunch of cases)...20 people who thought they were actually moving to the US since someone scheduled immigrant visa passback immediately before BanHammer Time. Whoops.

Though honestly, the first time I had to not only ban a person and refuse their immigrant visa, but also cancel their current student visa...that was kind of tough.

Also:
 
But then, Schadenfreude is a powerful drug.

This.

I had to fire someone too; an ~8 year employee. Basically, none of my predecessors either could pick up on her nonsense or (more recently) just didn't want to do the paperwork. Luckily I only did the paperwork; I just sat idly by while HR did the firing...and security escorted her out.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on September 05, 2012, 11:51:12 AM
No call back from the place last week.  Interviewing with 3 people (HR, CIO, COO) for a different position later today.

...pondering taking "IT Director" off my resume, despite having done the job - especially when applying for System/Network admin spots.  Seems to intimidate people, and they give me 20 questions as to why I'm wanting to downshift.  Almost have that speech down pat.

Also amused that the job that requires "10 years of (giant list of tech) experience in a company with over 25,000 employees" has been reposted daily for pushing two months now.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on September 05, 2012, 12:33:36 PM
Blizzard is expanding to Austin, TX, and they need engineers to help.

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/directory.html#region=Americas;city=Austin;search=,battle.net,



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on September 05, 2012, 12:38:04 PM
Might be good for the former Paragon guys and gals.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on September 05, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
Other than apache and jquery I wonder what else is in their web stack.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 05, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
...pondering taking "IT Director" off my resume, despite having done the job

I'm told that it is a good idea to tailor resumes to job postings.  I'm lazy though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 05, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
I tailored my resume for one job (and the cover letter) then I got lazy and used it and a slightly changed letter (just changed the date, to address and job title applying for) for 8 other jobs.

Got an interview for all 8 and was offered 2 of the jobs.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on September 05, 2012, 04:48:17 PM
Might be good for the former Paragon guys and gals.

Paragon is/was actually here in Mt. View.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on September 07, 2012, 02:36:19 PM
WHARGARRRBLLL for phone interviews that happen an hour earlier than scheduled...  AND start by drilling you on tech acronyms and security protocol negotiation (IPSec, SSL, PGP, etc.) specifics.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: proudft on September 07, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Did they ask about TPS reports?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on September 07, 2012, 03:35:01 PM
No - but one of the clients visiting my last job, upon seeing my "office," asked the president if he'd at least give me a red stapler to go with my basement corner...   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on September 13, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
I had a job interview today. It seemed to go ok. Hopefully I get the job!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 13, 2012, 08:22:11 AM
Good luck!

The husband has finally, FINALLY gotten the final clue that the bank he's now working for are just crap with some of their policies (seriously, running a branch with 4 people total, including the manager?  When is anyone supposed to be able to take a break when only 2 people are scheduled for a day?) and he's met with a recruiter he's worked with in the past.  Which is great, but here's a question - what fields would someone be able to switch to if they've worked in banking for 23 years, the last 15-ish in branch management?  He's feeling a bit pigeon-holed even though he loves community banking overall.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 13, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Couldn't he just find a position at a community bank run by competent people?  It may require a relocation, but seems entirely possible if he enjoys the industry.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 13, 2012, 09:21:32 AM
Relocation is not an option and he's been in banking for 23 years - he's basically getting priced out of the position he's in now and was slated to move up to a district/regional manager role before the financial sector melted down and put the kabosh on that.  And smaller, more personal community banks are becoming rare, sadly, especially in the Chicago area.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on September 13, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
If he's done branch management, he might could consider a move into lending operations/management (home/auto/etc.) - I believe there's a few based in your neck of the woods.  Or collections, if he's a total masochist.   :why_so_serious:

On my job front, a new twist has appeared.  I had a first interview with a third place on Monday, wherein I knocked many socks off.  They contacted me yesterday afternoon to start the background check process.  Then this morning, surprise quiz place from last week rang to indicate that they had finished locating their socks, and to be sure I was available for a second interview in the next couple of days.

...so I might have to decide between two (VERY different) positions in the near future.  In the interim, I believe I shall enjoy the remaining Slack prior to getting back into the work groove.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 13, 2012, 09:36:57 AM
He's not into self-abuse, thankfully. 

And congrats on the multi job possibilities!  That's always a nice situation to be in.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on September 13, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
If anyone is looking for a job in West Coast Canada or willing to relocate, check out my company: http://savanna.appone.com/

Few position open in our head office, awesome company to work for and you get a day off for the Stampede with free drink tickets.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on September 13, 2012, 12:31:40 PM
Good luck!

The husband has finally, FINALLY gotten the final clue that the bank he's now working for are just crap with some of their policies (seriously, running a branch with 4 people total, including the manager?  When is anyone supposed to be able to take a break when only 2 people are scheduled for a day?) and he's met with a recruiter he's worked with in the past.  Which is great, but here's a question - what fields would someone be able to switch to if they've worked in banking for 23 years, the last 15-ish in branch management?  He's feeling a bit pigeon-holed even though he loves community banking overall.
Any good credit unions in your area? He might also be able to transfer over to the financial management sector (Fidelity, etc.).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on September 19, 2012, 04:59:03 PM
Tentative Agreement with Verizon CWA East has been signed.  Not sure how to convey how big this is to thousands of people (both workers and management).

Unions representing 45,000 Verizon workers announced tentative new contracts on Wednesday that call for an 8 percent pay raise over four years while requiring workers to pay more for health coverage.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/business/verizon-workers-reach-4-year-tentative-pacts.html?partner=yahoofinance&_r=moc.semityn.www)

Fair tradeoffs from both sides.  I can't share details, but ya'll got the google.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on September 19, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Hour plus of second interviews with firm #3 today.  Firm #2 is background checking me, I'd be surprised if I make second round interviews at firm #1.

Firm #4 contacted me out of the blue today about a manager position, still debating that one.

...would enjoy being employed by the end of the month, so I have (more) spending cash for Ren Faire.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on September 19, 2012, 08:00:26 PM
So I didn't get the job. But my (better qualified) friend did. I guess that's half a win!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on September 19, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
So I didn't get the job. But my (better qualified) friend did. I guess that's half a win!

Yay?  I'm sure he/she will tell you it sucks and you dodged a bullet in 4 weeks tops.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on October 02, 2012, 04:42:31 PM
So within 15 minutes of each other, I get contacted by one of my top 2 prospects for a second interview, and by the other top prospect with an offer.

(puts on thinking cap and starts musing)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on October 02, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
So within 15 minutes of each other, I get contacted by one of my top 2 prospects for a second interview, and by the other top prospect with an offer.

(puts on thinking cap and starts musing)

Fun position to be in, ain't it?  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on October 02, 2012, 07:02:30 PM
Very awesome!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on October 02, 2012, 08:07:11 PM
That's a very good problem to have.  Congrats.!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 03, 2012, 09:14:58 AM
Just got word of a library with 45k service area (vs our 35k) and 5M budget (vs our 1.2M and dwindling). Workload would double to triple and the pay is about the same, but it would be in a MUCH better area and give stability. Dammit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on October 03, 2012, 01:06:19 PM
Just got word of a library with 45k service area (vs our 35k) and 5M budget (vs our 1.2M and dwindling). Workload would double to triple and the pay is about the same, but it would be in a MUCH better area and give stability. Dammit.

Is it within a short drive?



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 03, 2012, 03:10:40 PM
A couple hours. I'd rent my house and buy another one there if I go for it.

So tempting, but just got word that our budget is ok this year, so it makes it difficult to jump ship after putting in so much work to bail out this one. And there's the whole triple workload for the same pay thing. But in a MUCH nicer area. Yes, that's twice I've accented much. But then, that also means much higher cost of living....

I guess these are good problems to have, at this point. We're going to have a long weekend, so we're driving out for some recon early next week.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on October 03, 2012, 03:14:13 PM
How would a move affect the fiancée though?  If it works for her or would be an improvement for her as well, it's worth serious consideration.  If nothing else, maybe it'll give you a commute that won't make the rest of us non-home workers want to hurt you very, very badly.  :grin:

Minvaren - congrats on being in such a "bad" position! 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 03, 2012, 03:43:08 PM
She'd have to find a new job (and she earns more than either position). It would be a pretty major thing, since she still lives in the house she grew up in (the secret sauce of our relationship - different houses). Or she could come out for the weekends for a while.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on October 03, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Any opinions from the peanut gallery as to which sort of scripting I should teach myself? It's a pretty major gap in my IT skill set and things are pretty grim around the office these days.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 03, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
Windows or Unix (inc. Mac OS X)?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on October 03, 2012, 04:24:04 PM
Windows for now but I also need to expand over to the other side based on every job listing in the world.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on October 03, 2012, 05:40:49 PM
Powershell on the Windows side, perl and bash on the Linux side is a lot of what I'm seeing out here.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 03, 2012, 05:55:07 PM
Windows for now but I also need to expand over to the other side based on every job listing in the world.
On Windows if you think you'll have to support legacy stuff you'll want to learn VBscript. PowerShell is what's popular now so you'll want to learn that too as Minvaren mentioned. You can check out the MS scripting forum to get a sense for what people are using these days:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/ITCG/threads

On Unix you'll want to learn Bash for shell scripting. If you have to support legacy stuff that'll likely be in Perl (or Bash), but Perl's falling out of favor as the Unix "glue" language of choice. Python and/or Ruby are much more likely to be used for newer stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on October 03, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Cool, thanks for the input.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 03, 2012, 07:12:27 PM
I like perl a great deal, but honestly I haven't had any hurdles that ksh and awk could not leap so I'd suggest start with powershell on Win and the native shell on your next UNIX job (this will be bash for linux).  You'll also use sh daily on the command line and in system files. Plus when you grok it, you'll start writing code chunks on the command line instead of simple commands.  This will make your life much easier, and it will impress people that don't know how to do such things.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 03, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
That's one thing I miss as OSX has gotten more mature. Early on I was getting a TON of bash experience. Now I hardly use it and my skills are wicked atrophied.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Murgos on October 04, 2012, 12:04:59 PM
Cool, thanks for the input.

A meta skill to focus on that will help in all the above situations is regular expression parsing, though I am sure that would become apparent as you progress. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on October 05, 2012, 02:31:19 PM
Looks like I start my new job Tuesday.   :awesome_for_real:

Thanks to all for the well-wishes.  I haven't been out of work this long since before I started college, and was a bit surprised how slowly some places move these days.  As Lantyssa has said a few times, I seem to move at a different pace than most...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on October 05, 2012, 02:52:32 PM
Congratulations, sir!

Does the new job include being able to save Lantyssa from the mess you got her into? :-P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on October 05, 2012, 03:19:42 PM
I've attempted to open the cage door a couple of times, but all she does is headbutt me when I do.   :sad_red_panda:

Though from what I hear, they're treating her far better than they ever did me, so that's some consolation.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on October 05, 2012, 03:31:39 PM
Congrats, Minvaren!

The husband sent his resume to a friend so it could be handed on to friend's sister who works at another bank.  He got a message the next day from other bank's HR saying they got it and someone would be calling to talk to him.  Now he's already got a phone screen and in-person interview set up with other bank.  No clue what kind of position they are looking for at this point in time, but whoosh!  That was fast on their part.  And he doesn't want to jump at the first thing that comes his way since he just sent out the resume back on Monday to the recruiters he's working with.

So we get to go suit shopping for him tonight/this weekend because even if this interview is just for practice, he's going to need a new suit considering all the weight loss he's had this year.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Minvaren on October 05, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
Congrats on the new suit and new options for your husband, Rhyssa!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on October 09, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
Startup I'm in is... let's say having trouble. While I'll have more than 6 months of director under my belt, I have the wherewithal to look at other things before it falls apart - should that actually happen. In other words, my life has been a giant pain in the ass for the last 2 weeks. It's also why I haven't dived into posts to grief title people. I hate this shit. Not the grief-titling, but rather, mismanagement.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ghost on October 09, 2012, 02:57:56 PM
Get the resumes pumping....... :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on October 09, 2012, 04:13:33 PM
Startup I'm in is... let's say having trouble. While I'll have more than 6 months of director under my belt, I have the wherewithal to look at other things before it falls apart - should that actually happen. In other words, my life has been a giant pain in the ass for the last 2 weeks. It's also why I haven't dived into posts to grief title people. I hate this shit. Not the grief-titling, but rather, mismanagement.

Why does everything come down to tits and ass with you people?  Anyway, gratz to the newly employed people and hope you stay one of them! 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on October 10, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
Had another job interview yesterday. Was not properly prepared for it. Oops.

Two months after my application for another they are still yet to finish short listing (government body). Yay.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 11, 2012, 09:26:03 AM
Why does everything come down to tits and ass with you people?

I would not need to aggressively manage a career if I didn't have tits and ass to support.  I expect many men would be very happy without spending lots of money on BLANK.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on October 11, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
So I'm looking at positions for my next posting...

It is becoming increasingly likely that I'll be back in the western hemisphere in 2014...and quite possibly in Mexico near the border.

I must be a masochist.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 11, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
Let me know so I can put in an order.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on October 12, 2012, 03:03:28 AM
Me too.  Actually, it would be better for me if you were posted in Canada.  Better for you, too, probably.  At least safer.  Be careful.  I do not want to know anyone who has had their head chopped off by angry drug cartels.  Can't you just stay put already?!   :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on October 12, 2012, 09:25:57 PM
Congrats to those that are getting job offers, I bet it feels great to be wanted!

Maybe the F13 collective can help me with a decision: I'm about to wrap up my undergrad degree (frickin finally) and considering going to graduate school. My undergrad is a BS in Computer Info Systems, and I can go straight into an MS for CIS (no GRE/GMAT requirement).

Alternatively, I've considered taking the GMAT and either applying for a MA in Economics program or an MBA program.

On the one hand, the MS CIS is tempting as I enjoy that stuff and it'd be real easy to get into. On the other hand, my career is taking me away from the technical side of the house and further into the business side - and I like where it is going, for the most part. MBAs are a dime a dozen and most of them suck, not sure I want to be associated with that crowd. Alternatively, I really enjoy (applied) economics and so the MA program looks very interesting. Have to take the stupid GMAT though..

Those of you in higher up business positions, how much would a Masters sway a hiring or promotion (beyond middle management) decision? Any?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2012, 09:35:45 PM
Personally I don't give a shit as long as you can get the job done, work well in a team, don't shit up the servers, etc.  What are you going to do with all that education?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on October 12, 2012, 09:47:22 PM
Be your boss ;)

When hiring for my position, most companies routinely ask for MBA graduates. (Though part of that is because there are so goddamn many).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on October 12, 2012, 10:05:30 PM
If you work/plan on working in the private sector, the MBA is probably more valuable from a hiring/resume standpoint.

If you work/plan on working in Academia, the other options are probably at least as valuable.

At least, that is what I have observed from the outside, not sure what I am going to go back to school to get, Masters wise yet myself as it won't be until next fall at the earliest.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on October 12, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
If you work/plan on working in the private sector, the MBA is probably more valuable from a hiring/resume standpoint.

If you work/plan on working in Academia, the other options are probably at least as valuable.

At least, that is what I have observed from the outside, not sure what I am going to go back to school to get, Masters wise yet myself as it won't be until next fall at the earliest.

I don't plan on doing Academia, at least not anytime soon. The MA in Economics is only interesting because it is Applied Economics (from a Business school) rather than Theoretical Economics. If I wanted to go Academia I would probably have to suffer through a PhD in Theoretical Economics. Too much calculus for me!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 12, 2012, 11:25:39 PM
I am also looking at this from the outside but my belief is that there is a baseline of business education after which people are looking at experience and track record.  Nothing to back up that, though, beyond knowing several knuckleheads.  Then there are the people who work their way up via politics and the buddy system, I see quite a bit of that.  So, technical degree or MBA?  I would probably go with the CIS option myself, but will this get you hired into a directorship?  Maybe at a large computer corp like IBM, there are likely places where tech types are desired for management and directorship.  For general purposes I agree with Chimpy that the MBA will probably get you more options.

I always say do what you like.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on October 13, 2012, 06:41:25 AM
I have a second interview in a couple of days. Turns out feeling like you shitted up the first interview is not always bad.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 13, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
If I could go back to school, it would be for an MBA. Yes, they're a dime a dozen, but it's a dime that you need to open a lot of doors. I also enjoy the management and team-building stuff and was held back from jumping over into management by lack of a degree (an MLS in this case), so there's a bias there.

You'd also have a good head-start if you want to open a small business at some point. That opens a LOT of opportunities. We live in a capitalist society and the MBA is the recognized standard.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
I'm not really down with the "but everyone has one" argument against a MBA.  Said they guy without a Bachelor's.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on October 13, 2012, 07:16:39 PM
Good point.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on October 14, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
I'm not really down with the "but everyone has one" argument against a MBA.  Said they guy without a Bachelor's.
Hey, I've got a certification!  :oh_i_see: I balance my fiancee's 2 BAs and MLS, imo.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 14, 2012, 05:48:35 PM
Well, it does bother me a bit that I wasn't able to pull it together.  I have enough credits to have at least a master, perhaps a doctorate depending on the degree, but they don't add up to anything.  I just leave off any mention of education in my resume and hope they don't ask.  It does keep me from certain gubment jobs, though.

It doesn't mean I think I'm uneducated.  I do think I have made some poor decisions, though. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2012, 07:09:14 AM
Yesterday I discovered that SUSE uses python for at least some system executables.  Which version do I need to learn, 2 or 3?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 16, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
Both? :awesome_for_real:

It's likely the scripts SUSE is using are in some version of 2.X. However 3.X has been out for about 4 years now so some new stuff may be written in it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
Makes sense, I got the idea v3 was a recent invention.  I might have just went with the latest automatically but I'm still :uhrr: after reading about Perl 6.  Maybe the thing to do is start off with v2 because I do believe the system scripts use that, but pick up v3 when I have about a 50% grasp of it and start writing my own stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on October 16, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
v3 has been out since 2008 I think.  Problem is for 4 years everyone is looking around and saying I can't move to v3 because not enough people are using it yet.  Most of the major projects have still not been moved over, so if you just want to tool around using it to script some minor stuff for the OS v3 is good enough, if you want to actually create something of any sort of complexity then go with the latest version of 2 (2.7 I think).  I have heard that django is releasing a v3 compatable version soon, when that happens v3 will be much more of an option than it is now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on October 17, 2012, 01:41:19 AM
Yeah, 2.6 and 2.7 seem to still be very dominant.  Haven't worked with python in a few years though -- was great for prototyping, horrible for maintaining (common problem with very dynamic, scripty languages).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on October 17, 2012, 08:43:01 AM
Yeah, 2.6 and 2.7 seem to still be very dominant.  Haven't worked with python in a few years though -- was great for prototyping, horrible for maintaining (common problem with very dynamic, scripty languages).

Using a framework addresses the maintenance problems and this should be done for any non "utility script" project that is intended to be taken seriously. For me Django is the most compelling reason to use Python, it is one of the best MVCish frameworks available for any language, if they port to Python 3 I may finally quit talking about it and switch from PHP to Python.

edit - In jobby related news my manager is leaving and just as everything appears to be on the verge of flying apart at work I get a call for an interview from an application I put in 2-3 months ago.  It is a MS stack position but their web site is in such a state of decay I seriously doubt being immediately up to speed on the backend would be a priority or much of a factor at all.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2012, 09:12:35 AM
Not sure if bad or good.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on October 17, 2012, 12:39:36 PM
Not sure if bad or good.
Probably good for me and bad for everyone else I work with.

edit - lol if I leave it means over the last year our team will have gone from a combined experience level of 50+ years (with 30 of that on this particular "project") to a combined experience level of like 5 years, with only 1.5 years of that being on this project.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2012, 02:43:51 PM
I assumed a bit of that, I was looking forward to the "state of decay" position.  Sounds like you would have time to read some books but you might also have to get elbows-deep into a pile of shit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on October 19, 2012, 01:27:05 AM
So I got the job. In three weeks I wont work at home anymore and will get paid less. Also I will have to work more hours. Yay!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2012, 08:36:32 AM
Yay?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 19, 2012, 09:18:49 AM
Gratz on becoming more of a corporate drone!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MrHat on October 19, 2012, 03:53:59 PM
Gotta love working at a job that is suppose to be objectively reviewing cases, yet when it comes to quality review for promotions a totally subjective review is given instead.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 19, 2012, 05:34:17 PM
It's always who you know.

Unrelated, I'm not sure how I feel about grouping via indentation.  It's either genius or horribly evil.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 19, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
It's evil.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on October 19, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
Yay?

It's in a different industry and related to what I've been studying, so hopefully it's one step back before a whole bunch forward.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on October 19, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
It's evil.


If we are back on the subject of python, then this man speaks lies! Braces and brackets are handy but do not ensure readable code, indentation does more to ensure readability than just about anything other than programmer skill.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on October 19, 2012, 10:32:03 PM
Editors like emacs have been able to reindent code to match whatever style you like since the 80s.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 20, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
If anything convinces me to use something other than vim to write code, it's going to be python.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MrHat on October 20, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
It's always who you know.

Definitely.  I'll have to chock it up to one of the negatives of working from home 1400 miles away.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on October 30, 2012, 02:14:16 PM
So my interview for the new job with the totally f'd up web site went very well, I was told it would take an hour or so and was there for 2 and a half.  I accidentally pulled off a Costanza leave behind move that resulted in a 15 minute follow up conversation with my interviewer a few days later.  My references have told me that they are being contacted. 

If I get an offer I wonder if it would hurt if I requested a tour of the work environment before giving an answer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 05:37:23 AM
It's evil.
If we are back on the subject of python, then this man speaks lies! Braces and brackets are handy but do not ensure readable code, indentation does more to ensure readability than just about anything other than programmer skill.

The problem with Python's syntactic whitespace is that not everyone agrees on tabs vs spaces, nor on how wide tabs should be.  As long as you're the only person working on a Python program, you're safe, but as soon as you start collaborating, unless everyone configures their editor the same way, you run the risk of changing the meaning of code by changing the way lines are indenting, in a way that can be effectively invisible.  This can be extremely not-fun to debug, especially since indentation changes can still be valid (no "compile" errors at parse time) but behave quite differently at runtime, so they can lay dormant if they happen in uncommon code paths.

Moral of the story: Python coding benefits from extremely aggressive style guideline enforcement.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 01, 2012, 08:16:23 AM
Moral of the story: Python coding benefits from extremely aggressive style guideline enforcement.

This has become apparent before I have written anything.  I generally used three-space tabs, but I will obviously benefit from using the style standards and have abandoned any religious zeal I might have brought to the party.  I'll save my creative indentations and semicolonization for Perl.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on November 01, 2012, 09:38:49 AM
A three space tab?  That way lies madness.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
After a number of years of Linux kernel development, I've adopted their "hard tabs, tabs are 8 spaces wide" model for C/C++/java code, which tends to drive just about everyone but kernel people nuts.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 01, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Yep.  Indent is two spaces, no tab.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 01, 2012, 10:33:52 AM
 :awesome_for_real: is the jobs thread headed to politics over the great white space discussion?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
I'm sure we can defuse this by all agreeing that GNU Indent Style (where the {}s go on their own lines, *halfway* between the indentation level of the outer and inner blocks) is where true madness lies.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on November 01, 2012, 10:41:43 AM
I'm sure we can defuse this by all agreeing that GNU Indent Style (where the {}s go on their own lines, *halfway* between the indentation level of the outer and inner blocks) is where true madness lies.

Thanks, I was looking for a way to drive my team up the wall. Time to go change the published Visual Studio code formatting file and see when people notice.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 01, 2012, 10:46:18 AM
I'm sure we can defuse this by all agreeing that GNU Indent Style (where the {}s go on their own lines, *halfway* between the indentation level of the outer and inner blocks) is where true madness lies.

I just can't make myself do:
}
else
{

instead of:
} else {

Maybe I could if I had a larger monitor but for now this is my single biggest style guide hurdle.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on November 01, 2012, 11:16:59 AM
When doing either JavaScript or C++, I can't stand doing
stuff(){
}

instead of

stuff()
{
}

:P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 11:28:04 AM
Even in these days of 30" monitors, I am protective of my precious vertical space.  Braces go on the same line as the opening if/while/switch and share the line with the else.  Function definitions are the exception (first open brace of a new function belongs in the first column after, as Xuri rightly points out).  Also, repeat after me, "return is not a function call" ... don't write "return (42);"... just don't.  Had a coworker who did that two jobs back.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 01, 2012, 11:41:52 AM
Usually braces get their own line for me, but that's likely an effect of my small indent.  It helps separate blocks of code visually.  Shorter bits of code are likely to get braces on the same line.

I'll admit to putting parenthesis after a return statement, but that's to isolate it in my mind, like the return statement is throwing that bit of info back to the statement that passed it down.  Maybe this is a symptom of learning programming with BASIC and the liberal use of GOTO?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 01, 2012, 12:16:13 PM
I think Quinton is onto something.  I value horizontal space much more than vertical.  Guess how I feel about braces?

Eight-space tabs are ludicrous.  I can see four or maybe five if you're blind, but eight is terrible.

I was working on learning C# for a while and I kept wondering where all the code was. :oh_i_see:

:awesome_for_real: is the jobs thread headed to politics over the great white space discussion?

Outlook is grim!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on November 01, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
After a number of years of Linux kernel development, I've adopted their "hard tabs, tabs are 8 spaces wide" model for C/C++/java code, which tends to drive just about everyone but kernel people nuts.
Yes, that's just wrong. Linus intentionally likes to make things difficult* though, cause he think it weeds out the riffraff (see: git's original UI).

I'm sure we can defuse this by all agreeing that GNU Indent Style (where the {}s go on their own lines, *halfway* between the indentation level of the outer and inner blocks) is where true madness lies.
Yeah that's goofy. I prefer the Whitesmiths style (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Whitesmiths_style) when writing in languages with curly brace block delimiters. I learned that from a programmer I learned a lot from at Adobe. Strangely enough Python indentation resembles that style.

Even in these days of 30" monitors, I am protective of my precious vertical space.  Braces go on the same line as the opening if/while/switch and share the line with the else.
People who smush everything together vertically are broken too :awesome_for_real: To me vertical whitespace affects the readability of code, just like horizontal white space does.

At my current job we have thousands of line of Python with almost no vertical whitespace cause the original developer wanted to cram as many lines into his iPhone ssh screen for emergencies, which he almost never used. So we all get to suffer now cause the code was formatted for an edge case condition :uhrr:

* to read in this case, not to implement since that is the Unix default


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 01, 2012, 12:58:49 PM
At my current job we have thousands of line of Python with almost no vertical whitespace cause the original developer wanted to cram as many lines into his iPhone ssh screen for emergencies, which he almost never used. So we all get to suffer now cause the code was formatted for an edge case condition :uhrr:

Can we just pretend that he wrote it all on his iPhone while telecommuting from the golf course?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 01, 2012, 01:50:18 PM
I might start using Whitesmiths.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on November 01, 2012, 07:03:43 PM
Prof in my JavaScript class last quarter was adamant on style for braces up, and the cockbag actually marked off points for separating the code out into chunks.  By God don't go past the 80th column, or that's 10% off your grade.  What a twat.


stuff(){
}


stuff()
{
}

:P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: proudft on November 01, 2012, 07:21:28 PM
One True Brace Style 4 LIF  :heart:



Tabs being important still irks me about Python.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 09:16:34 PM
Eight-space tabs are ludicrous.  I can see four or maybe five if you're blind, but eight is terrible.

Linux kernel style also mandates <80 character lines.  The argument Linus makes is "if your code is indented too much, you should be breaking it into more manageable functions."  It is perhaps a little extreme.

If 1TBS was good enough for Jesus Christ, er, Kernighan and Ritchie...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 01, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
To be fair though most style guides have an 80 characterish line limit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 01, 2012, 11:04:33 PM
A lot of Java programmers I've worked with favor very long (120+ character) lines -- I think the extreme verbosity of the standard library classes encourages this (otherwise you end up folding almost every line).  I still hold to the old 80 column ways, but I realize I'm a relic, having actually learned to code on 80x25 character text consoles.  When the industry moves to proportional typefaces in editors I'll know it's time to go home. ^^


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 02, 2012, 02:16:04 AM
Even back then I preferred printing it out on some wide greenbar paper.  I don't enjoy extremely long lines of code but 80 is a bit short for my tastes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on November 02, 2012, 08:44:28 AM
I'm not a programmer but I set my OSX Terminal window to 80 characters out of habit. At least they put in a quick setting for black/green a few versions ago.

Then again, we were still using dozens of actual terminals (DEC) and an Apple II when I started here 12 years ago.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 02, 2012, 08:51:07 AM
I'd go mad trying to write code on a hard terminal.  Syntax highlighting is incredibly useful.  In fact that is exactly what keeps me using Vim 6.4 on AIX; I can't seem to get Vim 7 to do colors on any AIX terminal type.  I'd really like the brace-highlighting feature of it, too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on November 02, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Those people who like 80 character lines are the same sons of bitches that like to name variables and even functions using single characters.  Monitors are bigger nowadays, we don't have to do that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 02, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
Those people who like 80 character lines are the same sons of bitches that like to name variables and even functions using single characters.  Monitors are bigger nowadays, we don't have to do that.

I have certainly completed the migration to long ass variable and column names.  I remember reading some blog about how the writer always names his database columns databasename_tablename_columnname and thinking this old coot is off his rocker, after typing alias for the 10000th time I have since adopted a naming convention where I prefix column names with the table name.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 02, 2012, 04:22:28 PM
So f'd up website people called and offered me the position, not 100% certain I will accept but it looks like goodbye LAMP and hello iis/c#/asp.net.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on November 02, 2012, 04:24:47 PM
and hello iis/c#/asp.net.
I'm so sorry.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 02, 2012, 04:27:49 PM
and hello iis/c#/asp.net.
I'm so sorry.

Well from a career standpoint asp.net dev's make more by 20-30%.  Not sure how that will pan out as I personally think Microsoft is on a long downward slope.  Of course being in government that means we would be the very last people on the planet to make any sort of switch.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on November 21, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
So out of all my restlessness in my current position came a promotion.  20% increase and a Senior title.  Woo!

Wish I could've had the transcripts of the talk though.  Haven't heard people cut through corporate bullshit like that in a long time.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on November 21, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Congrats, sometimes there is a good reason to let people know if you are bored. If they don't want to lose you, they might just do something to keep you around ..


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on December 18, 2012, 08:15:24 PM
Accepted an offer for a new job - wow is it weird telling people I won't be around in a few weeks. This one came pretty much out of the blue, so I hadn't mentally prepared for a transition at all. Still hasn't hit me. (Worried I will habitually drive to my old office sometime during the first week at the new place!)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on December 18, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
I have certainly completed the migration to long ass variable and column names.  I remember reading some blog about how the writer always names his database columns databasename_tablename_columnname and thinking this old coot is off his rocker, after typing alias for the 10000th time I have since adopted a naming convention where I prefix column names with the table name.

I always use an easily recognizable acronym to denote the table in the column names, but yeah.  The fuckers that piss me off are the ones that name tables/columns with fucking spaces instead of underscores, forcing me to bracket EVERY GODDAMNED THING.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 18, 2012, 08:36:32 PM
Accepted an offer for a new job - wow is it weird telling people I won't be around in a few weeks. This one came pretty much out of the blue, so I hadn't mentally prepared for a transition at all. Still hasn't hit me. (Worried I will habitually drive to my old office sometime during the first week at the new place!)

Congratulations.

I am finishing up my part time job at the local library next Friday as they are hiring a full time person to replace both me and the other part-time person who left in October. It is going to be super weird not having to go to work after work every night  :ye_gods:

No more Sky Jr. for me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on December 18, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
Interesting, you must live in a relatively prosperous or educated area. Bumping up to a full timer costs a lot of dough in health care and retirement. We've trying to split into part-timers, and even those we're trying to shed now.

And I went in for a raise :) Fuck it, I worked my ass off and made everyone's life a hell of a lot better across the board. If not now, when? Next move is my 'time is money' card; if there's no money, I'll start working my way down to bare minimum hours for the same pay. Five years is stretching it with no raise and decent job prospects in better areas, something's got to give.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 18, 2012, 10:22:06 PM
The other part-time guy was getting benefits at 20hours a week, I am just under the benefit line at 19hours a week (standard week is 38).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on January 18, 2013, 01:10:11 AM
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/17/funcom-restructures-montreal-branch-keeps-games-operational/

So... anyone know of any game development related positions available near Norway? ;P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 18, 2013, 09:03:18 AM
Shit man.  Sorry. :sad_red_panda:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on January 18, 2013, 09:12:02 AM
Sorry, Xuri.  Good luck though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on January 18, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Ouch Xuri.  Hope you land on your feet.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on January 18, 2013, 09:29:29 AM
I've been firmly grounded since I started there (to the point where I nearly didn't get hired originally because I wasn't seen as "enthusiastic enough"), so landing on my feet shouldn't be too hard, but thanks! Maybe I'll stop working altogether and instead dedicate the rest of my life to becoming the worlds greatest Deltaforce 1 player!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: TheDreamr on February 01, 2013, 05:23:31 AM
Been at my current job for 6 years, list of reasons to leave are long and the only justification I have for staying is "well it's stable".  Problem is I've no idea where I got from here in terms of career progression - will be asking the same Q to a friendly recruiter, but second opinions never hurt either!

I'm UK based, approaching mid 30's and have been filling the senior dev / system admin role for 3-4 years in a small company, windows, iis, SQL etc.  Been in IT for 10+ years, have very limited experience with managing people and/or pm'ing

Think I still enjoy getting my hands dirty with web/sw development, but as a generalist not sure if it's a sensible & stable employment path to look at for the future.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 01, 2013, 08:36:13 AM
Think I still enjoy getting my hands dirty with web/sw development, but as a generalist not sure if it's a sensible & stable employment path to look at for the future.

Stay away from freelance mom and pop brochure sites and web app development is a great career path.  I switched from sysadmin w/15 years exp -> junior web dev gov't code monkey 6 years ago (took a 20% paycut) and although I just recently started to exceed my pay as a sysadmin the future looks bright.  Distancing oneself as far from desktop support as possible while still staying within IT is a good thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 01, 2013, 09:21:51 AM
I agree.  Your career path may not be completely clear, but you can't go wrong with moving away from end-users.  If you are dead inside, you might look to work for larger corporations.  If you still have a murmur of a soul, mid-sized may be best.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on February 01, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
I agree also end user support is just tedious and annoying. Even straight sysadmin work after awhile gets old to be honest if you get to specialized. Mid 30's is a great time to stretch your legs, once you get into your mid 40's avenues start closing off. For some employers ageism is a real problem in the technology world.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 05, 2013, 11:16:16 AM
Stage 3/4 of a thorough interview process for a job I wasn't fussed about at first and now I know what it involves I want desperately.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on February 05, 2013, 01:07:13 PM
Good luck!  Or break a leg, whichever message of positivity you prefer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 05, 2013, 01:25:48 PM
Pop a tart.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 06, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
Bust a nut.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 06, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
Burp and a squeeze.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 06, 2013, 01:55:35 PM
I would actually punch a test lab ape right in its smiling maw right now for some fucking callbacks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 06, 2013, 02:56:31 PM
I guess I reap what I sow. I just got an email back asking about skills that aren't even in the realm of the qualifications for one of the jobs I applied for. Also, it was sent by the webmaster. Also, it had grammatical errors.

DAGGERS.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 06, 2013, 03:38:19 PM
Well, perhaps you could get hired and stage a coup after a few weeks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 06, 2013, 03:40:17 PM
I just want to email his boss right now and be like - "Is this a joke? IS IT? TELL ME NOW."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 06, 2013, 04:38:41 PM
Guy just replied back to me with a description for a job that isn't even a little bit like the posted description. Pretty sure I'm going to send him a link to the original posting and ask if we're talking about the same job. Because we're not. Because he's terrible at his job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 06, 2013, 05:44:22 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on February 06, 2013, 09:17:56 PM
Are you sure you are so desperate that you'd go to those shitty places?

Good luck though, I'd go to one of those places too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 06, 2013, 09:18:31 PM
Your job list reads like my vacation wishlist.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 06, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
Guy just replied back to me with a description for a job that isn't even a little bit like the posted description. Pretty sure I'm going to send him a link to the original posting and ask if we're talking about the same job. Because we're not. Because he's terrible at his job.

Don't be a tease, is this the position we were messaging about? If so I am highly amused.  I am so incredibly happy I left to go work for the agency with a total disaster of a website, it is the most supportive environment I have ever worked in.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: rk47 on February 07, 2013, 12:36:42 AM
Are you sure you are so desperate that you'd go to those shitty places?

Good luck though, I'd go to one of those places too.

Singapore is a shit place.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 07, 2013, 08:15:11 AM
Guy just replied back to me with a description for a job that isn't even a little bit like the posted description. Pretty sure I'm going to send him a link to the original posting and ask if we're talking about the same job. Because we're not. Because he's terrible at his job.

Don't be a tease, is this the position we were messaging about? If so I am highly amused.  I am so incredibly happy I left to go work for the agency with a total disaster of a website, it is the most supportive environment I have ever worked in.

I don't have any background, but just because the guy they put in charge of posting job descriptions didn't get it together doesn't mean the whole place is shit.  I found out that posting jobs correctly is actually not the clean breeze I had assumed it would be... admittedly because we had to rely on a HR monkey.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 07, 2013, 08:25:01 AM
Guy just replied back to me with a description for a job that isn't even a little bit like the posted description. Pretty sure I'm going to send him a link to the original posting and ask if we're talking about the same job. Because we're not. Because he's terrible at his job.

Don't be a tease, is this the position we were messaging about? If so I am highly amused.  I am so incredibly happy I left to go work for the agency with a total disaster of a website, it is the most supportive environment I have ever worked in.
I just PM'd you what the job was since its relevant to, well, you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 07, 2013, 10:18:03 AM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.
Paris - Eww.  Montreal is okay as long as it's not Funcom...

Hope it comes quickly regardless.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 08, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
So yeah. I applied for another job on campus that looked interesting (working in the central data center) because I really want to get away from answering first line desktop support calls. At the same time I was applying for a job to move into the serverside group where I am (which the HR department denied me for saying I didn't meet the minimum qualifications because they don't understand IT).

Long story somewhat short, I interviewed for the other job on campus last week (which was awkward as my current boss was on the search committee). Yesterday they offered me the job. Current place is willing to match (cannot go above due to University policy change...match only) and I would be moving for the most part into working in the infrastructure/server group.

So I basically have a lot of thought to put into things this weekend as I need to decide if I want to stay where I am, which I like overall, or move across campus where I would never have to deal with a workstation not my own again.

Pay raise will happen either way, I just need to decide where I want to get it from and what is best for my long term prospects, etc.

Other job I would be able to walk to work from my current residence.

First World problems, I know.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on February 08, 2013, 06:10:55 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.

I vote Montreal, for reasons of Blood Bowl time zone superiority.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on February 08, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.
Well, that's a pretty awesome set of options.  So long as it's still in game development and you're not becoming a male prostitute.

If you are becoming a male prostitute go Singapore!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on February 08, 2013, 09:35:18 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.
Well, that's a pretty awesome set of options.  So long as it's still in game development and you're not becoming a male prostitute.

If you are becoming a male prostitute go Singapore!

He does already have a cowboy hat.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 09, 2013, 08:58:20 AM
So I basically have a lot of thought to put into things this weekend as I need to decide if I want to stay where I am, which I like overall, or move across campus where I would never have to deal with a workstation not my own again.
Server/infrastructure will probably have more long-term career benefits, however it's also important to like where you're working and doing things you enjoy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 09, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.
Well, that's a pretty awesome set of options.  So long as it's still in game development and you're not becoming a male prostitute.

If you are becoming a male prostitute go Singapore!

I figured the male prostitution thing would be a steadier job but that maybe I could do some game dev on the side.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 09, 2013, 09:07:17 AM
It's good to have a hobby, so yeah.  And really, male prostitution is something you can do anywhere, so it you might as well pick a place to live based on your hobbies.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 09, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
We'll know if that's the case when Iain's next game is called "Pound Town"


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 09, 2013, 12:26:42 PM
So I basically have a lot of thought to put into things this weekend as I need to decide if I want to stay where I am, which I like overall, or move across campus where I would never have to deal with a workstation not my own again.
Server/infrastructure will probably have more long-term career benefits, however it's also important to like where you're working and doing things you enjoy.

Well, staying where I am will be server/infrastructure as well. Just would not solely be doing that (and would have more actual OS level work, the data center job is mostly a physical layer thing).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 09, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
So I basically have a lot of thought to put into things this weekend as I need to decide if I want to stay where I am, which I like overall, or move across campus where I would never have to deal with a workstation not my own again.
Server/infrastructure will probably have more long-term career benefits, however it's also important to like where you're working and doing things you enjoy.

Well, staying where I am will be server/infrastructure as well. Just would not solely be doing that (and would have more actual OS level work, the data center job is mostly a physical layer thing).

It's important to not only gain responsibility in higher-raking tasks, you also have to shed the lower-ranking tasks if you want to move up.  Training backups and replacements is an important skill in IT, if you want to look at it that way.  So, I'd say you will benefit in the long run from avoiding the workstation stuff if only because it should give you the time/ability to look upward for new things.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 09, 2013, 06:42:26 PM
Just to clarify a bit more. The "workstation" stuff I would be doing if I stay would be backend stuff like SCCM, GPOs, and maintaining the base images. I would be shedding the day to day desktop support stuff.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on February 09, 2013, 07:29:25 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.

What were you working on? Can you say? (Or did you already?)

The video game industry wastes so much money on half-finished products it's crazy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 10, 2013, 07:39:26 AM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.

What were you working on? Can you say? (Or did you already?)

The video game industry wastes so much money on half-finished products it's crazy.

I was working as senior designer on Bullet Run, a free-to-play FPS using Unreal 3 and published (until the end of the month at least) by SOE. The game was released and we were adding content to it every week after launch.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: LK on February 10, 2013, 02:15:59 PM
I've started vocational training as a Casino Dealer. The casinos in the Los Angeles area are all experiencing expansion and in need of new blood. Two casinos are building hotels -- Hollywood Park and Bicycle.

So, yeah, I'm done with the "video" games industry.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 10, 2013, 05:27:19 PM
I was a croupier and later an Inspector and pit boss for a while in an English casino. I hated it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on February 10, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Pit Boss, there's a job I wouldn't want.  Like a cop you're seeing the bad in everyone as you see cheat after cheat but you also have to let people ruin their lives so you can have a job.

Newp!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 11, 2013, 12:18:19 AM
I've started vocational training as a Casino Dealer. The casinos in the Los Angeles area are all experiencing expansion and in need of new blood. Two casinos are building hotels -- Hollywood Park and Bicycle.

So, yeah, I'm done with the "video" games industry.  :oh_i_see:

I spent 6 years working in Vegas, I felt like a con man the entire time, there were no customers just marks who owed me a tip.  This was not a healthy time in my life.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on February 11, 2013, 08:33:17 PM
Game is shutting down, studio is closing and I need a new job. So far looking at positions in Paris, Dusseldorf, Montreal and SIngapore.
Paris - Eww.  Montreal is okay as long as it's not Funcom...

Hope it comes quickly regardless.

I love love love Paris.  It's one of the cities I could actually live in even though I'm not much of big city dweller.  Lots of art, nice restaurants that I'd actually go to, jazz clubs, and  the Paris Metro... once you figure it out.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 12, 2013, 03:48:40 AM
2 hour 4 man tag team interview today.  This will be fun.

I wish I could even say that this will be the last stage, but apparently being interviewed by the heads of the company isn't enough.  Fun, Fun.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 12, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
I spent 6 years working in Vegas, I felt like a con man the entire time, there were no customers just marks who owed me a tip. 
The guitar player in my band turned into one of those while selling speakers out of a van. Broke up the band because he was such a soulless insufferable douchebag who called everyone a duck or a flea.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 12, 2013, 08:42:15 AM
2 hour 4 man tag team interview today.  This will be fun.

I wish I could even say that this will be the last stage, but apparently being interviewed by the heads of the company isn't enough.  Fun, Fun.

At the end of this, if you don't have access to the Intelligence Corps I'll be disappointed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 12, 2013, 08:59:44 AM
OK, that WASN'T fun and I blew it bigtime.

Awesome.

If anyone needs me, I'll be up in the tower with a fucking rifle.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 12, 2013, 09:00:36 AM
OK, that WASN'T fun and I blew it bigtime.

Awesome.

If anyone needs me, I'll be up in the tower with a fucking rifle.


Wait, how? Did you say you wanted to do the guy's daughter in the interview?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 12, 2013, 09:10:13 AM
Pit Boss, there's a job I wouldn't want.  Like a cop you're seeing the bad in everyone as you see cheat after cheat but you also have to let people ruin their lives so you can have a job.
So, basically the exact same thing as being a designer working in social games.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 12, 2013, 09:12:48 AM
OK, that WASN'T fun and I blew it bigtime.

Awesome.

If anyone needs me, I'll be up in the tower with a fucking rifle.


Wait, how? Did you say you wanted to do the guy's daughter in the interview?

Funny you should say that :  the line I used to a colleague was 'They only way that could have been worse is if I did his wife in the boardroom.'

I dunno.  It just whiffed and it's mostly me not being in the game.  Fuck it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on February 12, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
Pit Boss, there's a job I wouldn't want.  Like a cop you're seeing the bad in everyone as you see cheat after cheat but you also have to let people ruin their lives so you can have a job.
So, basically the exact same thing as being a designer working in social games.
This.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on February 13, 2013, 10:51:49 AM
Livestream (used to be Mogulus) has migrated a bunch of stuff to NYC and I think they're looking for an operations manager.  They haven't advertised it yet.  Someone should go work there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: LK on February 13, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
Pit Boss, there's a job I wouldn't want.  Like a cop you're seeing the bad in everyone as you see cheat after cheat but you also have to let people ruin their lives so you can have a job.
So, basically the exact same thing as being a designer working in social games.
This.

We'll see if I feel similarly in a couple years, but right now it's the only thing I feel strongly about to pursue, and I seem suited for it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on February 14, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
My agency is currently seeking a Video Production Specialist and a Locksmith.  Located in SW Florida.  PM me for details.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 14, 2013, 08:17:08 AM
Got an interview confirmed for Ubisoft in Paris for a line designer role. I'm pretty excited about it as it's an excellent way to get a lot more design experience across a wide variety f genres and platforms in a short amount of time. I already had a Skype interview and submitted a design test so now I will be off to Paris for an onsite interview on the 25th.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 14, 2013, 08:26:21 AM
That's great, congratulations.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 14, 2013, 08:52:04 AM
Sorry about Paris, but sounds awesome otherwise.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Fabricated on February 14, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Closing in on 2 years at my current gig, big changes on the way (that are more methodology rather than "everyone is fired!") and I dislike the vast majority of them. Moving to a bad ticketing system (numara footprints), changing how/who watches what queues, pointless office rearranging, etc. Short version is that my team lead is kind of a slug and this will result with them being able to be more of a slug while dumping more work on all of us lower on the totem pole.

I'm in academia so just transferring around to a different area is possible and likely easy to do but fuck that; I don't like being ran out. I like it here.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 14, 2013, 09:57:32 AM
Got an interview confirmed for Ubisoft in Paris for a line designer role. I'm pretty excited about it as it's an excellent way to get a lot more design experience across a wide variety f genres and platforms in a short amount of time. I already had a Skype interview and submitted a design test so now I will be off to Paris for an onsite interview on the 25th.

Take their DRM down from the inside.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Fabricated on February 19, 2013, 08:28:23 PM
First day back with the new "everyone works all the queues" thing and my slug of a team lead.

Ticket comes in from some muckity muck's secretary, it's a genuinely weird/annoying issue she's having.

My boss (in one of our main Jabber channels): <Queue-Item> - We should really take a look at this.
My Team Lead on Jabber: On it.

PM from my Team Lead literally 2 seconds later: Would you look at <Queue-Item>?

:oh_i_see:

Yeah, I'll get right on that. I proceeded to not even look at it the entire day. Cockholster.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on February 22, 2013, 05:03:09 PM
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

So last December my company laid off 35 people off (about a 200 or so person company).  They claimed the reason was that they needed to focus on products that actually had the hope for profitability and to stop wasting money on things that didn't bring in revenue.  Truth be told, most of the 35 people were genuinely terrible people that were wasting the company's money and causing the company to throw money against the wall and desperately try to see what stuck.

Fast-forward to 2 weeks ago and a contract that we were competing to renew for fell through, mostly because the organization that put the RFP out wanted to bring their development in house (and honestly, they would have been stupid to go with our company due to time zone differences and various other issues.

Monday my boss brings us aside and tells us that she doesn't feel comfortable keeping information from us.  Apparently the reasoning behind the layoffs in December wasn't 100% truthful.  The fact of the matter was that the company is so strapped for cash that if they didn't do those layoffs they wouldn't have been able to make payroll in January, and the situation hasn't improved much since.  She didn't know how long the company could last at its current outflow since she's not privy on the up to date information on that, but to be aware that our department has never turned a profit and us losing the contract is not good.  We were also told (though I knew this from when a coworker left 3 or so weeks back) that the company is trying to get some new investors/owners, and who knows if they would keep the web dev team.

In the meantime, our company for a year has been working on moving us to a new building downtown.  They've spent a *ton* of money on this move and have been hyping it up.  We were supposed to move into on Monday.  So today, amid our packing, we get an email at 3pm saying that the city hasn't issued us a "certification of occupancy" yet and we can't move in until Wednesday (which has a big smell of bullshit).  10 minutes after that call I get a call from my boss (who took a personal day) to do some stuff for her while I was at the office.  Meanwhile, we got confirmation from one of the project managers that the CEO called her to get information about handing stuff off (to who is anyone's guess) and him flat out telling her that web/mobile isn't profitable.

So it feels like Russian Roulette right now, seeing if the shot is coming monday or not.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 22, 2013, 05:15:15 PM
First day back with the new "everyone works all the queues" thing and my slug of a team lead.

Ticket comes in from some muckity muck's secretary, it's a genuinely weird/annoying issue she's having.

My boss (in one of our main Jabber channels): <Queue-Item> - We should really take a look at this.
My Team Lead on Jabber: On it.

PM from my Team Lead literally 2 seconds later: Would you look at <Queue-Item>?

:oh_i_see:

Yeah, I'll get right on that. I proceeded to not even look at it the entire day. Cockholster.

You have no idea how much of my sympathy you have.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 23, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
So it feels like Russian Roulette right now, seeing if the shot is coming monday or not.

All signs of that story point to yes. My condolences. Even if not, I think it's probably time you asked yourself if it's time to find something better. The company sounds like it's going under.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on February 24, 2013, 04:45:40 PM
All signs of that story point to yes. My condolences. Even if not, I think it's probably time you asked yourself if it's time to find something better. The company sounds like it's going under.

I ended up calling up the CTO and asked him wtf was going on, since from my interactions with him he has seemed to have respect for me and has seemed like a pretty down to earth person.  As retarded as some of the executive decisions have been I have generally enjoyed my job very much and they have been pretty good to me (promoting me to senior at my 1 year mark with a $12k pay raise).

Long story short, the project manager in charge of moving the buildings really is that incompetent that he couldn't get all the inspections done on time.  The conversation the project manager had with the CEO was compelelty out of context (cause our CEO doesn't watch his wording), he was making a remark to one of the other execs about us not being profitable and what would it take to hand it off, which he really meant that he wants our CMS to be more commoditized so it requires less direct maintenance on our part to support clients and have the client handle a lot more of the tasks.  This doesn't seem like a lie to placate the doom rumors because I have heard it mentioned a while ago that that's the plan in the long run (even though I'm not totally sold on it being a viable plan).

It wasn't all roses, but it's not as dire as it seemed after the project manager was causing everyone to panic.  We shall see......


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 24, 2013, 04:54:08 PM
When do you move into the new building then?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on February 24, 2013, 05:03:26 PM
When do you move into the new building then?

Supposedly they are aiming on having the electrical inspection Monday and the fire inspection Tuesday, so they are hoping Wed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on February 24, 2013, 05:30:49 PM
Alright well here's hoping that happens.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on February 24, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
When do you move into the new building then?

Supposedly they are aiming on having the electrical inspection Monday and the fire inspection Tuesday, so they are hoping Wed.

If they're so incompetent that they couldn't get the CO by last week I wouldn't hold my breath.*  I hope your company and the architect did a thorough punch list.

*Unless this is the second inspection.  Which would explain the delayed CO.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 26, 2013, 10:25:28 AM
Important part: is you shit still boxed up?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: LK on February 28, 2013, 12:25:55 AM
I'll be starting as a tournament hold'em dealer within the month. I love doing this so far. When I pitch a card perfectly, it just glides off my hand and I feel so cool and confident. Sleight of hand is sexy. Money is also good for me -- once I learn California Asian Games, I can expect to make over $20 / hr. The weekly hours appear to be under 40 as well.

Focusing on my training techniques has also given me a great incentive to curb drinking and partying. And the best part -- no fucking QAing software projects with more working parts than atoms in a human being, or having to reinvent the wheel and come up with innovative and compelling mechanics, brands, and storylines just to keep your head above water.

Just players, cards, rules, probability ... and away we go. It's dream simplicity after so much complexity.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on February 28, 2013, 01:24:02 AM
We have 3 Night Shift RN spots open.  So if ya know any RN's with at least 2 years or critical care experience who would like to try ER nursing, point them my way.  We also have 2 PRN slots it looks like, but not for sure yet.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on February 28, 2013, 07:10:44 AM
When I worked as a croupier, dealing poker tournaments was my favourite thing. You get to sit down for your stint and the atmosphere is much more relaxed in the card room than in the pit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cironian on March 19, 2013, 12:38:46 PM
I just signed up for a new job, since it doesn't look like my expedition into independent game development will really pay enough for rent. Oh, well. So I've downgraded that to hobby status (I'm having too much fun there to stop entirely) and starting next Monday I'll be doing Java dev in a banking environment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 19, 2013, 01:58:08 PM
May the gods have mercy upon your soul.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Fabricated on March 19, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
First day back with the new "everyone works all the queues" thing and my slug of a team lead.

Ticket comes in from some muckity muck's secretary, it's a genuinely weird/annoying issue she's having.

My boss (in one of our main Jabber channels): <Queue-Item> - We should really take a look at this.
My Team Lead on Jabber: On it.

PM from my Team Lead literally 2 seconds later: Would you look at <Queue-Item>?

:oh_i_see:

Yeah, I'll get right on that. I proceeded to not even look at it the entire day. Cockholster.

You have no idea how much of my sympathy you have.
You too have a team lead/fake supervisor who can just dump everything on you as they wish so they can continue sitting on their asses? Up to this point the "team lead" thing was basically honorary- they had the same actual job title as me but seniority so they were trusted with kinda being pseudo teamleads.

I got an email today from my bosses saying they're officially codifying the Team Lead as a real position. I dunno what this entails but if it means he gets write up privileges I may just start looking elsewhere at the university or quietly asking to be switched to another queue because I have no respect for him as a 'superior' despite getting along with him pretty well personally. And he's probably getting a pay raise for it since it's going to be a for-real position/job.

Did I mention the new president of my university just issued a pay freeze to pay for a tuition freeze? The tuition freeze is great though- tuition is fucking ridiculous. I'm just annoyed since I get to watch this shit burglar likely get a pay bump for having papers shuffled while I get stuck with a freeze and no Cost of Living Adjustment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on March 20, 2013, 05:50:49 AM
Daniels trying to turn higher education in Indiana into yet another race to the bottom of the wage scale employer?  Color me shocked! 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on March 20, 2013, 08:43:28 AM
Years ago my fiancee found my former supervisor's monthly report in the printer. It was basically a list of things I'd done plus some stats other people generated.

We had a funny meeting where the boss put us on the hot seat. List major recent accomplishments, current projects, and pipeline for the next year. I came in without notes and was able to list at least a dozen for each category, he hemmed and hawed without giving anything. Then he said his core duties were getting in the way of his pet project (note: he doesn't really do his core duties). (He's also the second highest paid employee after the boss)

It's a similar thing to Fab's situation, but I'm finally pretty much on the other side of it and we've made the first steps towards making him report to me for tech things. He's been a family friend for decades, he's a nice guy and means well, makes it a really tough situation.

Pay freeze, heh. We did finally get a 2% increase this year, first in 5 years. Of course, that was after I asked for 6% because I've been kicking ass and taking names for the last six years without bitching about the freeze (and really mostly because health insurance is finally putting me in the red). So I was a bit pissed that my best professional year where I executed a big project under budget and on time, I got the same raise as the guy who did nothing at all.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on March 20, 2013, 09:30:43 AM
I thought you worked in a library.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on March 20, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
I do.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on March 20, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
What the fuck kind of library do you work in? The Public Library of Drama Hill?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on March 20, 2013, 11:08:42 AM
My sister worked at libraries for years before she left to work full time on her sculpture and illustrating and there was always tons of drama.  And not always quiet drama!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on March 20, 2013, 11:52:29 AM
Having worked for over a year in a library, it many times has more dramatic moments than working in a professional theatre company


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 20, 2013, 02:59:49 PM
I'm not sure I can, or even could if I worked there, take anything seriously that happened among the staff of a public library.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on March 20, 2013, 03:31:32 PM
"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 21, 2013, 08:22:20 AM
Yep.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on March 21, 2013, 11:27:19 AM
"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."

'And of academic realms of contention, the shared departmental printer shall be ground zero for the fight of champions'

-Me


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on March 21, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
Ah, shared printers. There's few things more likely to cause a good office dramabomb.   My favorite so far was the one where a guy canceled the printing of (5) copies of a 60-page RFP due at noon.  Done so he could print his floor plan sketch rather than walking across the floor to the other printer and without telling the folks using the good printer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on March 21, 2013, 12:57:41 PM
I've started vocational training as a Casino Dealer. The casinos in the Los Angeles area are all experiencing expansion and in need of new blood. Two casinos are building hotels -- Hollywood Park and Bicycle.

So, yeah, I'm done with the "video" games industry.  :oh_i_see:

I spent 6 years working in Vegas, I felt like a con man the entire time, there were no customers just marks who owed me a tip.  This was not a healthy time in my life.

Sorry I came in late with this but the new fad education-wise is Slot Machine maintenance (cities are even paying for your training for this), which requires pretty hefty tech and programming skills.  Since slots are the main source of income for casinos and the rules are more lax (hence they're pretty much in every state) it's much more lucrative.  Granted, it's not as sexay as being a croupier.   :oh_i_see:

update for me:  I've bit back the urge to return to the richfuck "service industry."  Being a broke-ass student is kinda liberating, but something tells me it may get old pretty soon.  To combat this I've since finally starting building my lab/workshop and am positioning to flip my prior biz into something I might be able to do on the side while in school.  (going 'inactive' would end up costing me more, so better to just change name and service/product) 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on March 21, 2013, 01:03:30 PM
I've started vocational training as a Casino Dealer. The casinos in the Los Angeles area are all experiencing expansion and in need of new blood. Two casinos are building hotels -- Hollywood Park and Bicycle.

So, yeah, I'm done with the "video" games industry.  :oh_i_see:

I spent 6 years working in Vegas, I felt like a con man the entire time, there were no customers just marks who owed me a tip.  This was not a healthy time in my life.

Sorry I came in late with this but the new fad education-wise is Slot Machine maintenance (cities are even paying for your training for this), which requires pretty hefty tech and programming skills.  Since slots are the main source of income for casinos and the rules are more lax (hence they're pretty much in every state) it's much more lucrative.  Granted, it's not as sexay as being a croupier.   :oh_i_see:

And since slot tech's rarely get tips (and in most situations are not allowed to accept them) they get to keep some shred of humanity.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on March 21, 2013, 01:09:16 PM
To be clear, it's a mad scramble to find guys to work on those damned machines (at least here in SoFla).  Easy.  Fuckin.  Money.  I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to climb aboard actually since I think I can sink it into my IEEE stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on March 22, 2013, 02:46:52 AM
To be clear, it's a mad scramble to find guys to work on those damned machines (at least here in SoFla).  Easy.  Fuckin.  Money.  I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to climb aboard actually since I think I can sink it into my IEEE stuff.
Even when I was in Vegas back in the early 90's slot techs made decent money for a vocational school type of thing ($16+ an hour) and any non-podunk casino is going to have them on staff 24x7.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on March 22, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
... being on most county's "high job demand" list also means slot techs get free and paid on-the-job training.  My city will literally pay the contractor to hire you to the tune of up to 60% your 1st year's salary; all as part of the WIA [workforce investment act].  Basically, if a job is on WIA's list the company makes shittons of money hiring newbs.  It amazes me how many people fail to bring that tasty bit of knowledge to an interview.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 01, 2013, 02:56:18 PM
I'm not really getting a great level of service from Novell's web sites and the general certification junk.  I'm wondering, is it bad timing on my part or are they just shit?

I guess for a bit of background, the people who like me want some proof that I can wrangle things other than AIX.  So I get a SUSE cert, no problem, but I can't find the damn thing.  I want a PDF so I can request a voucher for taking the CLP practicum, which may hopefully cause me to study for it and perhaps successfully set up a couple machines in VMware.  All so I can spend lots of time working in Excel, it seems.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 01, 2013, 04:07:28 PM
Wasn't Novell bought by a patent trollish services company and put on a skeleton maintenance cycle?  I realize they are still used in the "Enterprise" but does anyone expect them to actually gain market share ever again? Why don't you just start learning Sanskrit?

edit - On a serious note just go get your RHEL certification.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 02, 2013, 07:53:11 AM
Unfortunately (?) SUSE is alive and well; don't know about the rest of Novell (or whoever).  SUSE is big in Europe and so it is the primary linux for SAP, not absent from the enterprise at all.  Also the classes were free, as are the tests.  I think yast is a piece of shit, but what can you do?

I'll get a RH cert soon enough, and I assume if I can pass a SUSE admin test with minimal studying that I should be able to pass a RH test with zero studying.  I'm more worried about HPUX than RH.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 02, 2013, 08:47:17 AM
My only SUSE experience was with SLES, yum and yast had me running back to an apt based distro, I wasn't a RH fan either so I guess I am just too small minded to get along with products that contain the word "Enterprise".  I certainly never appreciated it when my organization felt the need to hook up our webservers to the Novell tree, we only had 5 or so users with access to them and the permissions profiles needed there certainly weren't something that already existed in edirectory.  All it seemed to do was overly complicate and crappify something that originally was pretty simple.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 02, 2013, 12:19:42 PM
The actual benefit (only?) of an enterprise distro is the support.  If you can handle your linux support in-house, go for it and skip the support contract, but maybe it would be cheaper to pay support than another FTE or two.  In our case, we aren't going to be doing homegrown linux support at all.  It would be completely unfeasible.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on April 02, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Its a real pity about SUSE. Back when I was playing with it in 2005 it was one of the only professional looking distros outside of Red Hat that could install over the internet with relative ease and wasn't clunky. It inspired some confidence in me that Linux could one day reach a broader market. Then Ubuntu happened and SUSE was caught asleep at the wheel, it seems.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 02, 2013, 12:58:20 PM
Oh shit, I'd rather support SUSE I think. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 03, 2013, 05:02:28 PM
Counted up, actually have 30 resumes out for positions I am either qualified for, overqualified for (and tailored my resume for), or a monkey could do - I have gotten only a handful of callbacks. Buh.

I need work. Like yesterday.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 03, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
If you'd like to join a massive bureaucracy, get paid well with great benefits, but be under appreciated by douchbags with Ivy league degrees, and have to roll the dice on being sent to either Geneva Switzerland or Bamako Mali every 2-3 years, then the Foreign Service may be for you!

Seriously, from what I've seen, you could probably sweep into this job without too much trouble Schild.  You'd just have to, you know, accept the above (and I hear they have a great embassy community in Mali!)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2013, 06:03:16 PM
I'd help if I could.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 03, 2013, 06:03:52 PM
I'm getting married in December, that is a no go. (to the foreign service)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 03, 2013, 06:10:05 PM
They'll fully pay for her to come along with you as well!

But yeah, I understand.  I'm amazed about how many of my co-workers are married with children.  Crazy lifestyle for that, it seems to me, but they seem to manage.  But if all else fails down the road, seriously consider it.  Not a lot of people do, and it provides great stability/benefits/pay if you need it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
Commuting for sixteen years, I noticed that people drive more slowly on the way home than on the way to work.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 03, 2013, 06:14:45 PM
Shhhh, that's a secret married men are supposed to keep.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2013, 06:25:26 PM
Today I realized that the people on the road at 4:30 are women headed home before their husbands get there.  Also not in a hurry.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on April 04, 2013, 11:40:52 PM
Is there a polite way to tell a new boss that reporting to them makes you want to find out what a just-fired .357 tastes like?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on April 05, 2013, 12:51:55 AM
Is there a polite way to tell a new boss that reporting to them makes you want to find out what a just-fired .357 tastes like?

Yes, it's called a leave of absence.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on April 05, 2013, 01:44:43 AM
They'll fully pay for her to come along with you as well!

But yeah, I understand.  I'm amazed about how many of my co-workers are married with children.  Crazy lifestyle for that, it seems to me, but they seem to manage.  But if all else fails down the road, seriously consider it.  Not a lot of people do, and it provides great stability/benefits/pay if you need it.

Funny. In Australia the Department of Foreign Affairs is one of the harder places to get a grad position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on April 05, 2013, 07:53:47 AM
Is there a polite way to tell a new boss that reporting to them makes you want to find out what a just-fired .357 tastes like?

Hah.

My old boss quit (in the drama a month ago) and the VP that "took over" her role is obnoxious, meeting happy, makes everyone stress out, and wayyy too much of a micro-manager for our type of group.  I finally called the CTO a few days ago and told him he needs to get her to back off before people get fired for telling her off.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 06, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
They'll fully pay for her to come along with you as well!

But yeah, I understand.  I'm amazed about how many of my co-workers are married with children.  Crazy lifestyle for that, it seems to me, but they seem to manage.  

It makes certain types of posts (ie - boring as shit AF posts with limited travel options) way more bearable.

Funny. In Australia the Department of Foreign Affairs is one of the harder places to get a grad position.

I'm not sure what you mean by grad position, but it's historically been pretty hard to get in - something like 2% of people who apply make it all the way to getting and accepting a job offer. Personally, I'm not sure it's actually "difficult" to get in, in the classical sense of the word; you either have that certain something the examiners are looking for, or you don't. Some of my entry classmates went to top-end schools for international studies and studied for the test because they knew for years it's what they wanted, whereas I went to a small state university for history (not even something the school is necessarily known for) and did practically zero prep. At this point, the only difference between us is that they (probably) paid tons more for school than I did, only to end up in the same job. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on April 06, 2013, 06:23:35 PM
What exactly do you do in foreign affairs (you as in the general job employment population, not specifically strazos)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on April 07, 2013, 11:11:09 PM
EDIT:  never mind.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 09, 2013, 01:45:15 PM
What exactly do you do in foreign affairs (you as in the general job employment population, not specifically strazos)

I'll have to direct you to wikipedia, unless someone actually wants me to babble about my personal opinion a bit. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Reg on April 09, 2013, 01:59:56 PM
Oh go for it Strazos.  It's not like everyone else doesn't do it once in a while and I bet it's an interesting story.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 09, 2013, 02:34:58 PM
Just for clarification, Strazos is in to do the actual diplomatic work (officer), I'm in as a specialist.  Specifically, administering and fixing the computer networks/telephone systems/radios/satellites/every piece of technology they can find.  Exact same job Sean Smith (Vile Rat) was doing, if any of you follow eve.  So I was referring to Schild going into this job, since he writes well, and knows tech, which is key for getting in (I write horribly, so I spent ages perfecting my application).  Still statistically a very difficult job to get into (only 10% of applicants got called in for an interview, and only 15% of them passed the interview for my specific class, we where told), but if I can do it, I figure some of you can as well.   :awesome_for_real: 

You also need to be able to pass a fairly rigorous background check since with this specific job, you're in charge of all the  :nda: systems and information.  So there's also that.

Getting in as an officer is even more statistically hard, though as Strazos says, if you're the right type of person you can breeze on in despite not having an Ivy League degree like most of them.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 10, 2013, 08:04:56 AM
I thought for a nanosecond about being a bonded courier (a visible spy basically) for the foreign service.  If I was still single with wanderlust I'd be all over that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 10, 2013, 04:21:45 PM
Well, I'll have to split my response into two portions:

My first job straight out of entry training was to serve as a Counter-Piracy Officer in the Pol-Mil Bureau...but what does that mean? Well, what I told people was that it was my job to help formulate, implement, and advance US foreign policy as it related to countering piracy off the coast of Somalia. What it ended up being was a lot of writing and some public speaking - writing briefing materials for principals meeting with foreign interlocutors, helping to run godawful large meetings at the UN in NYC, talking at industry conferences about what the USG is doing, among a bunch of other things. Also helped transform a temporary staff unit into a full-fledged office, which is more work than you'd think. Did a bunch of little things that were pretty interesting, like draft a SOP for USN on what to do with pirates when they're picked up (before the lawyers took it to argue the finer points), observe a trial for some pirates who had the bright idea to attack a USN frigate (and almost got called as a witness on whether lawyers exist in Somalia), and try to troubleshoot a US shipper no longer being allowed to transit the Suez Canal after the embarked security team had the bright idea to hop in a taxi with their guns and arrive at the airport in Cairo.

After that, I spent an ungodly amount of time learning French before shipping out to the be sole Consular Officer (or "Consular Chief...by default" as I like to call it) in a small west African nation. The country is very poor, there's not much of an anglophone expat community (and I consider trying to use my French socially outside of the office to be too much..."work"), and there are very few "local" travel opportunities due the terrible roads and infrastructure (also, I'm afraid to break down in the bush). The work is pretty tough as well - rebuilding a section and training up entirely new staff from scratch (having never done consular work previously), fighting to get ahead of the curve on rampant fraud, breaking the bad news to people that you don't just get to pick up a child from an orphanage and take it home with you...among other things. While I know I'll be sad to leave some great coworkers and friends behind, I will not be sad to go back to the US late this year when my tour is up.

So that's what I do, or have done. Speaking generally, Generalists are split into 5 cones - Consular, Management, Political, Economic, and Public Diplomacy:

 - Consular folks generally deal with visas, immigration benefits, and assisting US citizens abroad with a whole host of things. They're also some of the last people to leave in an evacuation, in order to assist people.
 - Management-coned officers generally deal with the running of a mission - finances, services, etc. It takes a lot of back-end work to support a mission.
 - Political and Economic officers do similar work, and are interchangeable in some places - they're the ones out schmoozing with people (though all cones do their share of that), reporting on what's happening in the country (general news and behind the scenes-type stuff). This ranges from deliberations on new penal codes, to the (dys)function of major ports, to economic policy, to opposition politics, and a lot more. In a sense, my first job was something of a political job, but I'm picky so it's not a job I would care for in most places.
 - Public Diplomacy folks are our overseas propaganda folks - make people love America! Though they do a lot of honestly good work as well - a lot of programming to reach out to local populations to talk about all sorts of stuff - LGBT issues, democracy, human rights, entrepreneurship, and a whole swath of other things. They're also the press section for a mission, so they deal with local media a lot.

As a generalist, you should be able to theoretically work a job in any cone, and the higher you go the more the lines between them blur - you're top-end officers are going to be decent in multiple domains.

I think I'm going to go pass out in my mosquito net-covered bed now. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 10, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
Coned.

:awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 11, 2013, 04:48:12 PM
And oddly enough, and I need to come back in here today because I've finally been tenured (on the first pass).

Basically it means that the Dept would like me to stick around for the foreseeable future. Job security is a good thing.

Unfortunately, I get to celebrate by doing a lot of work this weekend and next week. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on April 11, 2013, 04:55:21 PM
Congrats!

That sounds like a terribly boring job for me, but hey different strokes :)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 11, 2013, 09:59:34 PM
I don't know... if you replace some of the words, it could be a day at my job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on April 12, 2013, 11:15:29 AM
Its all a pack of lies. He plays World of Tanks from a hut. That's it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 12, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Same for Engels-shingles comment. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 12, 2013, 05:21:23 PM
Strange days.  In last 3 weeks had a few opportunities pop up within the company (each one better then the last).  Decided to go for one which I am almost a shoe-in for located down in Tampa- advised my current org I was going for it and out of the blue an opportunity with my current organization popped up with full relocation (read, sack of cash) that I am ridiculously qualified for under my old boss.

Today a company who has cold offered me positions in management asked if I could have lunch with them next week.

Must be that time of year!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 12, 2013, 05:58:13 PM
Yes, that time of the year when octodad has better career prospects than me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 12, 2013, 07:26:40 PM
Grats Cheddar! I'm thinking about options as well these days.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on April 12, 2013, 07:52:31 PM
Seems like everyone is thinking about options these days.  More and more people definitely complaining about hating the same old grind of their current job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 12, 2013, 08:31:41 PM
Seems like everyone is thinking about options these days.  More and more people definitely complaining about hating the same old grind of their current job.

People hated them for a while is my guess, but the economy was in the shitter. Now it's letting up a bit and people realize they can find something else instead of surviving.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on April 12, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
We've had a serious amount of people leave since January.  Somewhat worrying that they're really not replacing their jobs, or at least very slowly at least.

I'm taking a stab at my first big-boy job with an interview soon for a QA Engineer for our site.  Really out of my wheelhouse as a front end developer in training, but they came to me about it, so why not give it a shot?  It will give me a seriously different way of looking at things if I get it.  They're automated testing using nUnit and Selenium, so this will be interesting. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 13, 2013, 05:23:54 PM
Congrats, Selenium is pretty cool but personally I would enjoy front end development over being a QA engineer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on April 13, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
Thanks.  It's more of a stepping stone from what I'm doing now, which is community side.  End goal being on the Front end side, sometime in the next two years hopefully.  I should graduate next summer, if all goes well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 14, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
Congrats!

That sounds like a terribly boring job for me, but hey different strokes :)

There's a bit of that for sure. But at least consular people get all the stories - mostly about either people trying to break the law to get an immigration benefit, or just people being people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on April 17, 2013, 03:23:53 PM
Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 17, 2013, 03:43:34 PM
Good luck in Norway. Send hats!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 17, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!
You are in better shape than me, I'm waiting on callbacks and have about a month's rent left in the bank. WHOOOOO.

/daggers


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on April 17, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
Even if you're rich, living in Norway will fix that right up for you!  Then you'll have to leave.  Nearly no one in my family in Norway could stay after University.  They went off somewhere else to work so they could make enough money to go back and get a job.  And they're not even in Oslo!  At least that's the way it's been for the last 50 years or so.  My grandfather's time was great.  They had farms and could live where they wanted to live.  When I'm very old and completely broke, I'll go live in Romania.  You can last decades on a bag of pennies.

I hope every one finds jobs they LOVE.  Really really soon.  For the sake of rent.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 17, 2013, 08:02:23 PM
Sitting in front of my computer at work as I write this. In ~35 minutes my work-day is over and I am officially out of a job at FC. Next up, back to Norway to ruin myself financially and mentally by co-founding an indie development company (if everything goes according to plan) o_O. Wish me luck; I'm going to need it!
G'luck!

Celebrate by figuring out if that donut company got off the ground and ordering a dozen.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on April 17, 2013, 09:44:34 PM
The best way to end up with a small fortune in Norway is to start with a large one.

schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.

Lantyssa: Donut company! Haven't heard how that went. Who was that? Photek? (Fake edit: Yep, it was. Also, his account shows activity from April 2013! Photek, give us an update already! :P)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 18, 2013, 01:20:52 AM
schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.
No one calls anyone back these days really.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 18, 2013, 08:18:14 AM
State Agencies usually send a letter, I did notice that the OAG's job is no longer posted.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 18, 2013, 08:23:59 AM
State Agencies usually send a letter, I did notice that the OAG's job is no longer posted.
They definitely responded to me when I told them what they wanted and what they posted were two different things. They took that job down right fast when I told them.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on April 18, 2013, 08:28:28 AM
schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.
No one calls anyone back these days really.

This appears to be universal then - as it happens over here almost all the time.  Agencies (who have a duty of care to you) are particularly annoying in this regard...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on April 18, 2013, 08:44:34 AM
Is EA hiring?  My understanding is they aren't all that soul sucking if you aren't on a dev team.  Of course my knowledge is only based on 1 person who seems to enjoy working there but he is more of a Yegolev level systems type (real Linux systems though!).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: murdoc on April 18, 2013, 08:58:04 AM
I don't know if this really helps anyone here, but Devon Energy is hiring a few IT related positions in Oklahoma City.

http://jobs.dvn.com/careers/information-technology-jobs/job-list-1

I have friends who work for them here in Calgary and have pretty positive things to say.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 18, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
Yeah, but Oklahoma...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 18, 2013, 09:56:23 AM
schild: Will they let you know if you don't get the job(s), or do they only actually call you back if they want to offer you a position? In any case, hope things work out.
No one calls anyone back these days really.
This appears to be universal then - as it happens over here almost all the time.  Agencies (who have a duty of care to you) are particularly annoying in this regard...
Agencies are basically filled with unmarketable scum who only care about their bottom line.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 18, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
When I'm very old and completely broke, I'll go live in Romania.  You can last decades on a bag of penises.
:ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Reg on April 18, 2013, 01:06:56 PM
Yeah, but Oklahoma...

Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 20, 2013, 12:07:13 PM
You know what's not fun? Helping a surviving family member repatriate a loved one to the U.S.

Especially when they were both decent people on a quest to see 100 countries in three years.

They saw 95.

 :|


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 24, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
Hey.  If you're going to present in a meeting, learn how to use the fucking tools first.  Sometimes this means Excel.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 24, 2013, 05:41:54 PM
Hey.  If you're going to present in a meeting, learn how to use the fucking tools first.  Sometimes this means Excel.

Were we in same meeting today?   :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 24, 2013, 07:13:23 PM
Just got a cold call from my old boss from one of the jobs I worked as a temp before landing a permanent job with the university asking if I would be interested in possibly being their IT manager today... :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on April 24, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
I got one of those calls from my old boss 4 months after he laid me off!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 25, 2013, 08:38:39 AM
Just got a cold call from my old boss from one of the jobs I worked as a temp before landing a permanent job with the university asking if I would be interested in possibly being their IT manager today... :ye_gods:

You mean :awesome_for_real:, right?

I just accepted a position in the engineering organization.  Waiting on salary info, crossing fingers.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Abagadro on April 25, 2013, 09:33:20 AM
Hmmmm, for the first time in my career my boss will be someone younger and with less experience than I have.   Should be interesting.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 25, 2013, 10:44:13 AM
So Joffrey... :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 25, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
Heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 25, 2013, 05:11:42 PM
Next interview is on monday.  God I hate these things.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 25, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
I see so much love for finding a "job."  Is anyone in here contemplating starting their own company?  Shit, I've about had it with the job marketplace at this point, even while going to school (which in this day and age is required unless you're already well off).  Come up with a cool idea and do it.  At this point, there's more opportunity in doing something new then trying to find mediocre work for some moneyhat.

Note: that's not a good thing.  There's just too much efficiency and competition in a low-wage jobspace to really get value from being a low-ladder employee.  Find your dream and follow it instead - shakedown some grant money and private equity funds if need be.

Note 2:  I cant decide if I'm sarcastic or not.  We'll see.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 25, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
Just got a cold call from my old boss from one of the jobs I worked as a temp before landing a permanent job with the university asking if I would be interested in possibly being their IT manager today... :ye_gods:

You mean :awesome_for_real:, right?

I just accepted a position in the engineering organization.  Waiting on salary info, crossing fingers.

Well, I don't know if anything will come of it yet, and I did just get a 13.5% raise after six months to stay where I am. It is a job I have thought about being something I would be interested in "a few years" when the guy who is now leaving would have hit retirement time (he is actually leaving the University after like 20 years).

It is just sort of weird to have someone you worked for as a temp secretary/receptionist for 3 months call you to ask if you are interested in a management position.

Time to polish up the resume.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on April 25, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
My manager has told me that I am going to be focusing solely on managing other people and keeping my systems alive and well, not actually designing cool new things anymore.  Apparently there is an excess of PhDs with nothing to do so they are giving them my fun work and I get to keep the "please come fix our broken crap" at 3AM stuff.  I'm now middle management, apparently because I can communicate and get along with all of the scientists, technicians, and engineers better than almost anyone else in the same job level.  I'm not sure if this sucks or if it is an opportunity to advance since totally design oriented people where I work don't go anywhere except down to their office to make things and sure don't ever get promoted.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 25, 2013, 07:15:42 PM
There's a big push for Project Managers (6sigma, blackbelt yada yada), Tech./Info. and Industrial Managers (especially) in STEM fields these days.  Apparently there's a lack of socially capable geek management.  Go figure.  What's the #1 regret those managers say though?  "I wish I had more practical knowledge."

I think the smartest way to approach it is from the practical angle, then go for a management certification later... whether you get hired as a manager or not.  Because if you get fired as a manager and don't have a cert., you're rightly fucked and will end up having to re-train while unemployed anyways.  And if you're a designer, the mgmt cert. will almost always net you more pay or a promotion.

If you're unemployed you can get certain mgmt. certs (and the courses it requires) essentially for free btw.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on April 25, 2013, 07:26:36 PM
Over the last few years, I've turned down offers from my old bank, two hedge funds and google. twice. I don't really regret not jumping ship, but I sometimes wonder what things would've been
like.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on April 25, 2013, 07:34:50 PM
Doing a design test for a studio in Andorra. This could be fun but Andorra is even more remote than the tiny village where I currently live. Other interviews ongoing at the moment are Annecy, Lyon, Shanghai and Berlin. Shanghai is definitely my last choice of location but the studio would be cool. Lyon or Annecy are my first choice of studio and Andorra is so far my favourite location. Hmmz.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on April 25, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
Dude, you have to live in Andorra. They have like 12 people, you could be national champion at anything you wanted.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on April 25, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
What Ingmar said.

But Lyon was awesome last time I was there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 26, 2013, 09:41:50 AM
It is just sort of weird to have someone you worked for as a temp secretary/receptionist for 3 months call you to ask if you are interested in a management position.

I do agree, it smells like a trap.

I think middle management is when you have managers under you.  If you have individual contributors under you, you are a line manager.

Today is my 14th anniversary supporting The Coca-Cola Company.  I'm glad to be moving on.  I'll just have to wrap up some documentation, train up some new SMEs, and finish this config-checker redesign.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 26, 2013, 10:09:45 AM
Andorra sounds like a dream.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 26, 2013, 12:24:26 PM
Those are sound like developed-world places...

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on April 26, 2013, 03:26:19 PM
Those are sound like developed-world places...

 :oh_i_see:
You could probably even play EA and Ubisoft games there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 26, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
Andorra sounds like a dream.

Isn't that where Flash Gordon was set?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 26, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
Those are sound like developed-world places...

 :oh_i_see:
Heh, from everything I hear, taking a pol/Econ position in one of the developed-world spots can be absolute hell (I haven't talked to a single person who liked working in Paris).  Careful what you wish for!

Having said that, Poland is really beautiful right now.  What with the warm weather and Eastern European girls penchant for wearing mini skirts and stilettos at every opportunity....   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 26, 2013, 05:32:28 PM
It is just sort of weird to have someone you worked for as a temp secretary/receptionist for 3 months call you to ask if you are interested in a management position.

I do agree, it smells like a trap.

I know for a fact it isn't a trap. It is just is an odd feeling getting a call like that out of the blue.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 26, 2013, 11:24:34 PM
Andorra sounds like a dream.

Isn't that where Flash Gordon was set?

Nah, Star Trek.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Fabricated on May 01, 2013, 08:16:12 AM
This is me IRL right now dealing with my tickets:
(http://i.imgur.com/iRXk4.gif)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 01, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
It's only a small fire.

That's me dealing with upgrading decade old systems.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 01, 2013, 09:08:24 AM
Hmmmm, for the first time in my career my boss will be someone younger and with less experience than I have.   Should be interesting.

A friend of mine (that is 6 months older than I am) was just hired as the new Chancellor of Wash U.  I'm still an Associate Professor.  Now I feel like a slacker.

I've also noticed that nobody ever contacts me to tell me a position has been filled.  Hell, in 90% of cases I don't even know if a place got all of my application materials.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 01, 2013, 09:20:51 AM
Priorities.

You don't strike me as the type to enjoy the hobnobbing required to go the Chancellor route.  Or the shoot yourself in the head stupidity required to get full Professor in this day and age.  Seriously.  I saw that shit destroy some good people.  It's one thing I can say for sure I don't miss about academia.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Shannow on May 01, 2013, 10:10:51 AM

I've also noticed that nobody ever contacts me to tell me a position has been filled.  Hell, in 90% of cases I don't even know if a place got all of my application materials.

This appears to be SOP for HR professionals fucktards. They can all burn in hell.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 01, 2013, 11:38:12 AM
I've sent out in excess of 40 resumes in the last couple months - many of which went to jobs I'm overqualified for - aaaaaaaaaaaand I've heard back from 3 companies.

I don't know when HR got this lazy, but it certainly wasn't like this in the early 00s and late 90s.

Edit: Actually, I take that back, it was more like 6 positions, but some of them are government positions. Also, hiring processes now take FOREVER because everyone wants to hire by committee. Which really doesn't build the world's best team, it builds the world's most agreeable team.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 01, 2013, 11:46:11 AM
I've sent out in excess of 40 resumes in the last couple months - many of which went to jobs I'm overqualified for - aaaaaaaaaaaand I've heard back from 3 companies.

I don't know when HR got this lazy busy, but it certainly wasn't like this in the early 00s and late 90s.

Fixed it for you.  Unemployment is so high companies are receiving between 200 and 300 apps for single postings in standard industries, much less cut-throat "everyone wants in" ones like games.  They only get back to you if you're considered now, it's up to you to follow-up just to be sure they got your app and resume.

Connections are the only way to get a job these days in my experience.  If you don't know someone who can refer you or suggests you for a position you're lumped in with all the others needing a truly standard resume to get  noticed.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 01, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
Firing off resumes has never worked for me. I did face to face meetings over and over again with different people just to discuss my career plan, not necessarily get a job.

Those people knew people who put me in touch with my current company. And even then, there was no job promised, it was just another meeting where they were impressed and came back to me when something opened up.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on May 01, 2013, 11:57:49 AM

I've also noticed that nobody ever contacts me to tell me a position has been filled.  Hell, in 90% of cases I don't even know if a place got all of my application materials.

This appears to be SOP for HR professionals fucktards. They can all burn in hell.

This infuriates my wife to no end. Seems like nobody ever calls her back even to say "We went another direction." I'm used to it. I don't ever get callbacks if I don't get the job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 01, 2013, 12:24:25 PM
I've sent out in excess of 40 resumes in the last couple months - many of which went to jobs I'm overqualified for - aaaaaaaaaaaand I've heard back from 3 companies.

I don't know when HR got this lazy busy, but it certainly wasn't like this in the early 00s and late 90s.

Fixed it for you.  Unemployment is so high companies are receiving between 200 and 300 apps for single postings in standard industries, much less cut-throat "everyone wants in" ones like games.  They only get back to you if you're considered now, it's up to you to follow-up just to be sure they got your app and resume.

Connections are the only way to get a job these days in my experience.  If you don't know someone who can refer you or suggests you for a position you're lumped in with all the others needing a truly standard resume to get  noticed.
I'm not actually applying for gaming industry jobs for the most part. Generally I'm applying for obscure UX position jobs, but I'm beginning to think everyone is  (and my previous title, director level, may seem a bit much). I've been varying my title to lower SOUNDING positions on resumes to some positions.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 01, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
Probably a good call. Not knowing IT I can't say. Still applies that there's hundreds of resumes for every open position.

I can't believe I wrote truly standard instead of truly stellar.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on May 01, 2013, 01:02:35 PM
Current job I got because my current co-worker walked into my employer at the time and asked the 2 people left if we were interested in another job. So its been over a decade since I have had to apply for a job now. That being said I have worked with a bunch of HR people over the years and when I did the hiring I always called people back if I interviewed them to tell them the job was filled. If I got a random resume I didn't call them back.

Schild I imagine you probably scared off a couple people by putting director on your resume. If I saw that you were applying for a lower level job with that I would think you were just trying to get a job while you were looking for something better. Even if that is true it is usually a red flag to HR people.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 01, 2013, 01:09:18 PM
Yea, I've since changed it to Lead Designer or just Designer in some cases. Of course, that's thrown out the window when they see my previous salary - they get an idea it's higher than it was on the resume :|


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 01, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Well, don't put your salary on there.  I don't put my education on my resume.

Hiring by committee is how I've had it done for any corporation of any size, except this job I just got which falls squarely into the who-you-know shoo-in type.  Even then it was the manager and one of his leads.  The point, as it was explained to me, of hiring by committee is (or can be) to make sure you're a good fit with the group.  Which is what I think you said, but in a more angry voice.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on May 01, 2013, 03:28:01 PM
Unless the company is doing a background / credit check don't put your salary on there. Even with a background check they are really not going to get that info. At this point I imagine just getting a job would be nice you can always look for a better one once you are employeed (american way right  :grin: )


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 01, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
Sigh.

I don't put my salary on my resume. That would be plum stupid.

My resume is fine. Better than fine even.

Stop making assumptions. The both of you. I should've chosen the word "hear" instead of "see."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 01, 2013, 03:45:06 PM
I would then use "out" instead of "on".  How does previous salary come up in an interview such that you can't dismiss it or make up something?

I'm Mr. Blurty McBlurterson, but you are a smart guy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on May 01, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
Shrug you said once they found out your salary I assumed it was on the resume or it came up in the interview :) . Not questioning your quality of resume anyway. Job market is hard and you will find something hopefully before you are forced into selling body fluids  :why_so_serious: .


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 01, 2013, 04:55:29 PM
I would then use "out" instead of "on".  How does previous salary come up in an interview such that you can't dismiss it or make up something?

I'm Mr. Blurty McBlurterson, but you are a smart guy.
Because I would rather not take much less.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: veredus on May 01, 2013, 07:16:48 PM
Completely different field then most of the people here looking for work (work in a hospital) but I got my job about 6 months ago by finally just putting on a suit and taking my resume directly to the guy who does the hiring. Just went around HR all together. Actually was very surprised how well it worked since I went from no replies to getting a job offer the next day. I was at the point in my job search where I would have taken almost anything to get back to work but I ended up getting the job I really wanted by doing that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 01, 2013, 08:36:18 PM
Because I would rather not take much less.

That's fine, I thought you considered it a mistake or something.  This probably sounds weird, but I have no idea if my salary will change in my new job.  My belief is that if it were to be somehow lower (unpossible), I'd have been notified already.  I'm just that excited to get to that position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on May 01, 2013, 11:05:04 PM
If its in the same company, I don't ever see pay change *down*. Usually, I see it stay the same for more responsibility (cheaper than hiring someone from outside that would want more money).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on May 02, 2013, 08:29:28 AM
In the eleven years I've been with my current company, I've changed position five times. Only once did my salary go up. Every other time, they used it as an excuse to not give me a raise that year, since I'd only just started in that position.  :uhrr:

I do like the company though, even though I still make less than I did 12 years ago doing IT for a logging equipment company. (It pays to work in the boonies)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 02, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
This is my assumption.  I expect it will just give me more bargaining power during the end-of-year when we look at compensation.  Of course, I'm the new guy so I'll have to step up first.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 02, 2013, 08:36:30 AM
You got screwed big time, Bunk.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 02, 2013, 08:43:18 AM
Money isn't everything.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 02, 2013, 09:42:35 AM
I agree, but if he's doing the job anyway he might as well get paid properly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on May 02, 2013, 11:54:29 AM
I know they did. I put up with it for the sake of stable employment and four weeks vacation.

They've treated me better the last few years now that I'm in a pointy haired boss position. 4 - 6% each of the last four years now, plus a few stock options (which actually sold for a profit this year!).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 02, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
I've put up with some shit just for four weeks of vacation.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 02, 2013, 12:43:58 PM
What's vacation?  I take a day off and I have 3x as much work when i come back. No way I'm taking a week much less 4.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 02, 2013, 01:19:03 PM
Why not - you're not the sole employee, right? Sounds like someone above you is shitty about managing workload.

Shit, my boss takes off the entirety of December. Every year since I've been here. And the sky did not fall. She also, generally, does not work late - she just sure as shit gets her stuff done while she's in the office.

AND takes a full hour for lunch.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on May 02, 2013, 01:19:20 PM
What's vacation?  I take a day off and I have 3x as much work when i come back. No way I'm taking a week much less 4.

Early grave recipe, dude. Take your vacation.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 02, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
What's vacation?  I take a day off and I have 3x as much work when i come back. No way I'm taking a week much less 4.

You need a priority realignment.  What I found is that if you regularly do the work of two people, it will simply be expected of you and you'll kill yourself for ungrateful bastards.  If you decide to live-to-work instead, the other section of the workload will have to be distributed to someone else.  Hopefully a new hire so that everyone is just doing the work of one person.  I do know that, much like physics, this breaks down at small scales.  Also if you're the boss this doesn't work.  But the point is if you let them push you around, they will.  Because they are all shitbags.  Every one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on May 02, 2013, 01:53:43 PM
I agree with those above. I've stuck with this shitty job for a decade because most of the time it doesn't stress me out too much. Good boss above me, good benefits, rare demand for overtime, and a position that's reasonably fulfilling and respected. Not worth the risk to wind up somewhere shitty for an extra 5 - 10k. Mind you, I'm in the position I am in because of seniority, and knowledge of the company's products and systems. I probably couldn't get a matching job anywhere else.

Probably time to look at those company education benefits again...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 02, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
You guys have to remember that Merusk works in a business that is entirely different than the IT related fields most of us do. I used to work in a similar industry, with customer deadlines that are rarely created with enough slack time to allow people time off. It is feast or famine and you can't afford the delays/pileups from taking week+ blocks of time off during the feasts, and during the famines you are either out of work or scrambling trying to generate new business.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 02, 2013, 03:07:18 PM
I honestly don't know why some of you picked IT as a job, the way you describe it. Most of it sounds awful.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on May 02, 2013, 03:36:34 PM
That's how we all feel about accounting, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 02, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
That's how we all feel about accounting, I'm sure.

I mean that it doesn't even sound like many like what they are doing in IT. I like accounting just fine, and the sky is pretty much the limit with my ability to switch industries on the fly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on May 02, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
I like my career, I just refer to it as shitty because its generally a low paying industry.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on May 02, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
I think IT people have the tendency to complain a bunch as a group(me included). Personally? I love what I do and I enjoy the people I work with. The stuff I gripe about is pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things. Although I make as much as anybody in the company except a couple of the execs and some of the engineers. I am more a sysadmin than a typical IT grunt though....



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 02, 2013, 06:21:52 PM
I don't work in IT - underfunded, undermanned USG stuff.

However, I'm paid for 40 hours a week (though they get about 50 normally). It just always comes down to -

Does it HAVE to be done today? Usually, that answer is no. In theory, I could work 80 hours a week and never quite be "done" everything, but it simply wouldn't be worth the time.

It's not like we're not busy, with no deadlines or work that doesn't pile up - but you can plan for vacations, if you want to. I'm sure you're entitled to vacation time, or more more time with your family, or whatever. You should really try to take it.

Especially in workplaces where it sounds like there's some degree of redundancy. Unfortunately, it sounds like your bosses are terrible with spreading workload or planning well.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on May 02, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
However, I'm paid for 40 hours a week (though they get about 50 normally). It just always comes down to -

Does it HAVE to be done today? Usually, that answer is no. In theory, I could work 80 hours a week and never quite be "done" everything, but it simply wouldn't be worth the time.

It's not like we're not busy, with no deadlines or work that doesn't pile up - but you can plan for vacations, if you want to. I'm sure you're entitled to vacation time, or more more time with your family, or whatever. You should really try to take it.
You obviously don't work with physicists.  They never take time off unless mandated and many have no real interests outside of work.  You are labeled the source of the problem if you aren't in whenever they snap their fingers because something broke or they want to try an experiment to make the machine run a little better for the users.  Then your boss has a talk with you about "working smarter and getting more done" and when you complain about having to work 10.5 hour days are replied with "well I work 12, quit complaining."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on May 02, 2013, 07:41:38 PM
Picking my words carefully... if you want to work IT in a global company there are downsides.  It can get ugly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 03, 2013, 08:20:29 AM
I love IT.  I hate dealing with people.

The latter is a problem with almost any career path.  The more I'm forced to do of the latter, the less I get to focus on the former.

And non-IT types have a tendency to want updates every five-fucking minutes when it can take me hours to research and more to see if my fixes are working.  They don't like the answer, "I won't know until it's working," or the ever popular, "I can't juggle a dozen mentally intensive tasks with ever-changing priorities at the same time.  Pick one."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 03, 2013, 08:21:40 AM
Picking my words carefully... if you want to work IT in a global company there are downsides.  It can get ugly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR3fD5YyN3g

Edit to say that I enjoy what I do.  I enjoy my career as well as my job.  You know, the meta-job.  You have to play that as well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: murdoc on May 03, 2013, 08:46:02 AM
IT is definitely not my first love. I do ok at it, but I am no where near as technically skilled as a lot of you seem to be. I am quite fortunate to be working for a fairly successful Oil and Gas company so my compensation and benefits are extremely good for the IT industry as far as I can tell.

What I lack in technical skills I make up for with social skills - I tend to be the face of our team because they other guys have no interest or desire to interact with the rest of the company. I found a decent little niche and it's worked out quite well for me so far. I can take the training to keep improving my technical knowledge, but being able to successfully interact with the business is what has helped me the most.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 03, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
I do IT because I can, not because I love it. I do love being able to help people every day. It's pretty amazing that I can make our community a better place, not a lot of people get that chance.

I'm like Murdoc, I'm not the most technically gifted, but I have a good social skillset. The mayor knows two people by name and face - our Director and me. Really what IT boils down to is troubleshooting and scientific method, imo, training is helpful but no guarantee of performance, especially over the long haul. I can get up to speed on any technology fairly quickly, but being able to accurately and quickly diagnose and fix a problem is what puts the money in the pocket.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 03, 2013, 11:16:24 AM
Yeah I'm similar in that I'm not the most solid technical accountant in terms of knowing the tax code backward and forward, or every stupid GAAP regulation. However, I can find them quickly and apply the correct answer to any question.

What I'm good at, that almost 90% of accountants suck at, is dealing with people and selling my services. At the end of the day, having technical expertise doesn't make you as much money as being able to bring in new business.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 03, 2013, 12:02:16 PM
Those soft skills are enormous.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on May 07, 2013, 06:22:15 PM
Waiting on answer of 2 interviews (pretty sure I did not get Tampa gig) when out of the blue a Director I worked with years ago shoots me and one of her Direct reports a note (she has since moved on to a senior exec position on the Wireless side) asking me to send my resume in as they have an opening.

Never been in this position.  wtf


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2013, 06:49:47 PM
Ride it!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on May 07, 2013, 07:00:22 PM
Ride it!

Trying to.  Just got word Tampa may still be in picture.

It is interesting but scary.  Next decision will impact rest of my career.   :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 08, 2013, 02:38:02 AM
No it won't, you have the luck of a man that walks away from a lightning bolt unscathed and picks up a winning lottery ticket.

With the position you're in, freaking out makes you look like a pussy. Stop that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 08, 2013, 03:16:49 AM
 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on May 08, 2013, 06:14:19 AM
No it won't, you have the luck of a man that walks away from a lightning bolt unscathed and picks up a winning lottery ticket.

With the position you're in, freaking out makes you look like a pussy. Stop that.

Your right, I sound like a whiny douche attempting to brag. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on May 08, 2013, 08:34:47 AM
No it won't, you have the luck of a man that walks away from a lightning bolt unscathed and picks up a winning lottery ticket.

With the position you're in, freaking out makes you look like a pussy. Stop that.
Having 20 kids to feed does things to a man.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on May 20, 2013, 07:50:59 AM
Anyone have any knowledge about getting a (real) job in europe if you're an EU citizen but speak only English and don't want to live in the UK? Is that even possible at the best of times, let alone now?

I have an arts degree and a masters in publishing. I expect not...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on May 20, 2013, 07:53:38 AM
Happens all the time, but like most things like that, you gotta know someone who knows someone, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on May 20, 2013, 12:36:45 PM
Anyone have any knowledge about getting a (real) job in europe if you're an EU citizen but speak only English and don't want to live in the UK? Is that even possible at the best of times, let alone now?

I have an arts degree and a masters in publishing. I expect not...

Hi!

In related news, I'm sat n a hotel in Madrid doing a quick round up of forums, email etc before going out to dinner with some guys who will almost certainly give me a job offer in the next few days. I sat in on them today and participated in some design meetings and they appeared to be impressed so I may not be unemployed for much longer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 20, 2013, 01:58:25 PM
Awesome.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on May 21, 2013, 02:20:33 PM
This is the hallway of the office.

(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964505_10201139662955207_1335907726_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Soln on May 21, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
looks like Mojang's crib


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on May 21, 2013, 02:50:30 PM
Anyone have any knowledge about getting a (real) job in europe if you're an EU citizen but speak only English and don't want to live in the UK? Is that even possible at the best of times, let alone now?

I have an arts degree and a masters in publishing. I expect not...
I've run into a lot of English only speaking ex-pats here in Warsaw, doing all sorts of various things.  Main way to pull it is to work for a multi-national company and transfer over, but there are all sort of niche jobs looking for a fluent English speaker.  If you don't want to attempt the large corporate route, it's really a matter of making friends in the right places who can recommend you for jobs, or just searching the job market yourself very hard and throwing yourself at everything you see.  And then of course there is always teaching English which is easy to pull off, but I assume that's not what you want to do.

Or become a game developer apparently.

Also, I thought you where Australian?  How are you an EU citizen?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on May 21, 2013, 04:26:39 PM
We have dual citizenship, which I have to the EU through a parent.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on May 22, 2013, 07:27:33 AM
They offered me the job and pretty much everything I asked for salary and benefits wise. I have till Monday to decide whether to accept or not but I think I will unless I see somehting in the written offer that makes me pause.

Lamaros. I am British, speak mostly only English although I have taught myself French and German after moving to those countries and am moving to Spain soon knowing no Spanish. Depending on what it is that you do, you would need to find a company that recruits from all over Europe or has a large proportion of English speaking staff. That way you can be confident that the office business will be conducted in English. I find that you need a surprisingly small knowledge of the local language to live normally in a foreign country; you use a very limited palette for things like shopping, eating out, tourist stuff etc. While you will need help for more complex issues like contracts, immigrant registration and so on, any company worth its salt shoudl be able to provide that help easily enough.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 22, 2013, 08:43:44 AM
You gonna say the company or continue being vague with pronouns?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on May 22, 2013, 09:26:50 AM
It's eRepublik. I haven't accepted yet although I almost certainly will. They have a new studio in Madrid to make new games that are very different from their eponymous browser game.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 22, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
Word.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 22, 2013, 12:01:57 PM
It's eRepublik. I haven't accepted yet although I almost certainly will. They have a new studio in Madrid to make new games that are very different from their eponymous browser game.

Congratulations! 

So much for my matador theory.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 22, 2013, 01:24:01 PM
He did say they were looking to make something very different.  There's still hope!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 23, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
Been dancing with this young company for a few months now (read: 4). They were going through the hiring of a new CEO so it was just a slow process. New CEO comes in, decides he doesn't want to fill this position for a few months.

I'm going to go fucking insane. I swear.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on May 23, 2013, 08:56:54 AM
New CEO comes in, decides he doesn't want to fill this position for a few months.

This is code for "putting the position on hold until one of his cronies becomes available".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 23, 2013, 09:03:42 AM
Yes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 23, 2013, 09:08:28 AM
I would absolutely agree with that in 99% of the cases. I don't believe I'll get a call back but I believe they're not filling the position right now. For that particular job, I am one degree of cronyism through one of his friends and old bosses.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 23, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
Obviously they are waiting for the gifts to arrive or the golf game to be scheduled.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 23, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
Whatever. I'm basically now in the shit. So, yea.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on May 23, 2013, 05:22:49 PM
They offered me the job and pretty much everything I asked for salary and benefits wise. I have till Monday to decide whether to accept or not but I think I will unless I see somehting in the written offer that makes me pause.

Lamaros. I am British, speak mostly only English although I have taught myself French and German after moving to those countries and am moving to Spain soon knowing no Spanish. Depending on what it is that you do, you would need to find a company that recruits from all over Europe or has a large proportion of English speaking staff. That way you can be confident that the office business will be conducted in English. I find that you need a surprisingly small knowledge of the local language to live normally in a foreign country; you use a very limited palette for things like shopping, eating out, tourist stuff etc. While you will need help for more complex issues like contracts, immigrant registration and so on, any company worth its salt shoudl be able to provide that help easily enough.

Ta for the info. I recently changed industry and pretty much have an entry level position. Though the company I work for now is a large mn owned by a German company the Australian end is really the ignored stepchild in the wide picture. I would expect I'd have to just jump and move over and see at some point, as no one is going to look at me seriously in this position from this distance.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on May 27, 2013, 06:23:38 AM
I accepted the offer today. I held out for a bigger relo package and they agreed to cover all of the costs upfront rather than a percentage. So, in roughly two weeks I'll be out of here and on my way to Madrid.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xanthippe on May 27, 2013, 10:33:49 AM
I accepted the offer today. I held out for a bigger relo package and they agreed to cover all of the costs upfront rather than a percentage. So, in roughly two weeks I'll be out of here and on my way to Madrid.

Congratulations! Best of luck to you.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on May 27, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
I accepted the offer today. I held out for a bigger relo package and they agreed to cover all of the costs upfront rather than a percentage. So, in roughly two weeks I'll be out of here and on my way to Madrid.

Congrats. Hopefully Madrid is actually a lot better to live in than the faint impression I got when visiting.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on May 28, 2013, 07:04:29 PM
I hope you like jamón.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on May 28, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Yummy porky goodness.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 29, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
I hope you like jamón.
We're jamón, and we hope you like jamón, too!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 29, 2013, 09:17:11 AM
:groan:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2013, 09:24:50 AM
I'd probably eat nothing but ham and cheese if I lived in Spain.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on May 29, 2013, 09:29:20 AM
 Jamón is yummy like prosciutto.  yumyumyum.  Cured meats are so much better than the wet sliced meat you get  in the US.  It's cool when you go flitting about in the EU, every country seems to have it's own version of a ham sandwich.  

Gratz to every one who got new jobs and good luck to those who are still looking.  I have to get one of these some day soon.  Ish.  My sister and I might try doing something together which would be very cool.  I'm sure it'll be artsy, too, but not fartsy.  


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 29, 2013, 10:54:37 AM
I'd probably eat nothing but ham and cheese if I lived in Spain.
Well.

We hope you like hammin', too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2013, 11:12:13 AM
Soon-to-be-old-boss has an urgent need for a senior AIX guy to replace me, seems like no one is biting on the opening.  Or hell, a mid-level AIX guy.  AIX guys are hard to find.  I'd expect market rate, which for AIX is good, plus the whole "desperate need" bit.  Send a PM if you know someone.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 29, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
Can I fake it remotely?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on May 29, 2013, 11:39:32 AM
Can I fake it remotely?

I suppose if you are interviewing remotely they wont see all your frantic googling so maybe.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 29, 2013, 12:47:23 PM
if I can wing AP Chem at 16, I can wing AIX now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 29, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Who didn't wing AP courses, really?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Can I fake it remotely?

The "remotely" part is a given, I don't work for Yahoo.  It would be two or more phone interviews, one being technical.  The team lead will give you a set of questions, which will range from easy to about as far down the rabbit hole as you take her.  They won't be looking for someone with just five to seven years of UNIX, you'll need ten years of IBM brainwashing and be able to soft-shoe through TSM, PowerHA, VIO, and EMC (WHOOPS not an IBM product!).  The good news is that if you know all that shit you can probably negotiate six figures.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on May 29, 2013, 04:20:09 PM
The good news is that if you know all that shit you can probably negotiate six figures.
Probably? If I had that much AIX knowledge I'd wouldn't settle for less than 150K.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 29, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
The good news is that if you know all that shit you can probably negotiate six figures.
Probably? If I had that much AIX knowledge I'd wouldn't settle for less than 150K.
^^ That.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2013, 08:08:49 PM
It's a tough market but doable.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on June 12, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
Why would someone schedule an interview @8am on a sunday?

Serious question.  I am as busy as the next person and would never do that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 12, 2013, 07:55:44 PM
ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT AN INTERVIEW AT ANY TIME? DO YOU NEED A SLAP RIGHT IN THE FACE?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on June 12, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT AN INTERVIEW AT ANY TIME? DO YOU NEED A SLAP RIGHT IN THE FACE?

No, it just struck me as odd.  And didnt say it was for me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: JWIV on June 12, 2013, 08:15:23 PM
Why would someone schedule an interview @8am on a sunday?

Serious question.  I am as busy as the next person and would never do that.

That does seem to be a red flag for "This Job Will Require Bullshit"


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on June 13, 2013, 05:48:49 AM
I've technically been employed for four days as of today but I've only been into the office twice so far and for a total of around an hour tops. My boss is quit happy for me to spend my first week of paid employment finding an apartment, orienting myself and generally getting settled in before I go in and do any of the actual work they are paying me for. Which is all enormously civilised.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on June 13, 2013, 07:48:13 AM
Why would someone schedule an interview @8am on a sunday?

Serious question.  I am as busy as the next person and would never do that.

'Cause they're a fucking asshole and want to see how desperate you are.  Once they have ascertained the level of desperation, they will heap further and larger piles of bullshit on top of you until you break.

Just so you know.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 13, 2013, 09:07:27 AM
I've technically been employed for four days as of today but I've only been into the office twice so far and for a total of around an hour tops. My boss is quit happy for me to spend my first week of paid employment finding an apartment, orienting myself and generally getting settled in before I go in and do any of the actual work they are paying me for. Which is all enormously civilised.
Sounds socialist to me.  You should run while you can before you get communist AIDS.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on June 13, 2013, 09:39:50 AM
I've technically been employed for four days as of today but I've only been into the office twice so far and for a total of around an hour tops. My boss is quit happy for me to spend my first week of paid employment finding an apartment, orienting myself and generally getting settled in before I go in and do any of the actual work they are paying me for. Which is all enormously civilised.
Sounds socialist to me.  You should run while you can before you get communist AIDS.
Thanks, Obama.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on June 13, 2013, 10:27:37 AM
Why would someone schedule an interview @8am on a sunday?

Serious question.  I am as busy as the next person and would never do that.

lol, #1 is a under the radar way to screen out the church crowd.  #2 this is a stealth interview and they do not want to alert the person they are replacing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Thrawn on June 20, 2013, 06:28:07 PM
Holy hell, while my current full time-but temp to hire-no benefits-BS job situation was looking crappy about a month ago I sent out a few applications.  Now I somehow find myself sitting on a full position offer from my current job plus an offer from another place, plus a third place that after a lengthy phone interview wants me to come in for a formal interview and to "show me around the work environment".

So now I need to decide probably this weekend between where I am that I like working, somewhere else that is offering more money or possibly a third option at a company I keep hearing amazing things about working for.

First world problems.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 20, 2013, 06:33:31 PM
Congratulations.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on June 20, 2013, 06:37:08 PM
I'll just sit here happily working under the Sword of Damocles.  Dropping possibly in December. Woo.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on June 21, 2013, 06:19:57 AM
Similar situation, but sitting under the Cock Of Damocles.

It's a much trickier position and harder to get out of.  I surely do need a Gordian Knot.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on June 28, 2013, 05:44:02 PM
Got a call for an official interview for that job I got the cold call about a couple months ago.

Job has changed a bit and has less responsibility than the position it is replacing as the University's VP of Research wants the IT to be all under the umbrella of the Administrative IT folks and they have removed a lot of the higher end things and made it almost just a desktop support job (even though the description in the posting does not show that change).

Will see what happens.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 26, 2013, 09:44:17 AM
CAD/ BIM Manager at our company is leaving to move back to Colorado and take a huge opportunity (Stock options, car allowance) with a giant construction & construction management company.  Can't blame him as it's an executive position and we're mid-sized and can't compete at that level of salary.

However, it leaves a gaping hole here that needs to be filled.  One that he and others think I could fill.  Not sure I want to move out of the Architect role and in to IT support.  Bleh, decisions.

Anywho, if you guys know of anyone with a Revit/ Autocad/ Archicad support background who is also familiar enough with Adobe Products and design firm IT support, who's also willing to relocate to Cincinnati, let me know.  (Needle, meet haystack.)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 10:26:08 AM
My agency is, once again, looking for a Computer Programmer.  Reqs. behind the spoiler.


Don't let the wage discourage you.  The benefit's package is pretty tight:


PM me if you have Qs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Reg on August 01, 2013, 11:29:01 AM
Holy crap. Is that what a computer programmer does these days, really?  Awful drudgework and carrying a beeper?  And with just a high school education?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
You tell me; do you think anyone that paid for a college degree would go for a job that paid that much?   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 01, 2013, 11:39:03 AM
You tell me; do you think anyone that paid for a college degree would go for a job that paid that much?   :why_so_serious:

Yes.  They're called "professors".  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 11:43:34 AM
 :rimshot:

Anywho, it's not bad for the experience at least.  Something to go on the resume.  Did I mention the perks?   :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 01, 2013, 11:45:08 AM
Depending on location, that's actually pretty good.  Now... if you're in a major metro area, not so much.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
Depending on location, that's actually pretty good.  Now... if you're in a major metro area, not so much.

SW Florida.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on August 01, 2013, 11:48:49 AM
My new place is looking for 3d artists and generalist programmers. We run an agile team so the idealperson would be someone who felt comfortable jumping into a lot of different areas. We make iOS games in Unity but if you have experience in general C# or C++ programming and a strong resume in games then we'd still be interested. Based in Madrid and relo is available including visas if required.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on August 01, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
SW Florida.

That's quite good.  If I'm correct, there's no state tax in Florida as well.  That's like another 8% bonus.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
SW Florida.

That's quite good.  If I'm correct, there's no state tax in Florida as well.  That's like another 8% bonus.

You are correct, sir.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on August 01, 2013, 12:28:06 PM
My new place is looking for 3d artists and generalist programmers. We run an agile team so the idealperson would be someone who felt comfortable jumping into a lot of different areas. We make iOS games in Unity but if you have experience in general C# or C++ programming and a strong resume in games then we'd still be interested. Based in Madrid and relo is available including visas if required.

 :heartbreak:

I wish.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 01, 2013, 12:29:15 PM
You tell me; do you think anyone that paid for a college degree would go for a job that paid that much?   :why_so_serious:

Yes.  They're called "professors".  :why_so_serious:

Also "Architecture Interns with 2-3 years of experience."  I know our new hires out of college are making sub 33k.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 01, 2013, 02:02:20 PM
My agency is, once again, looking for a Computer Programmer.  Reqs. behind the spoiler.


Don't let the wage discourage you.  The benefit's package is pretty tight:


PM me if you have Qs.

This isn't a bad entry level position for someone looking to transition from a hobbyist freelancer to an actual programming career, to make the most of it in that light though would depend on if there are other more experienced programmers that you would be working with.  Salary seems about 8k low though for what it is.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on August 01, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
My new place is looking for 3d artists and generalist programmers. We run an agile team so the idealperson would be someone who felt comfortable jumping into a lot of different areas. We make iOS games in Unity but if you have experience in general C# or C++ programming and a strong resume in games then we'd still be interested. Based in Madrid and relo is available including visas if required.

No remote? Also, more details on the  3d artists side.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: luckton on August 01, 2013, 02:57:56 PM
My agency is, once again, looking for a Computer Programmer.  Reqs. behind the spoiler.


Don't let the wage discourage you.  The benefit's package is pretty tight:


PM me if you have Qs.

This isn't a bad entry level position for someone looking to transition from a hobbyist freelancer to an actual programming career, to make the most of it in that light though would depend on if there are other more experienced programmers that you would be working with.  Salary seems about 8k low though for what it is.

Did I mention the full healthcare coverage?  I mean, literally, every part of your body, in and out, is covered.  And your spouse.  And your kids. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on August 01, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
Honestly, it doesn't really matter what the benefits are, that wage is truly terrible, and you'd have to live in Florida.

Even entry level in the gaming industry basically provides those benefits at most major new-ish companies and at least $45-$50k and they aren't in Florida :(


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 01, 2013, 03:30:22 PM
America's wang.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on August 01, 2013, 04:03:58 PM
No remote? Also, more details on the  3d artists side.

No remote. We're a small team and being able to desk surf is vital. The art role is 3d modelling as well as some 2d stuff on top. Just like with the programming gig we need people who can wear different hats so being able to step up and do some UI mockups or create some particle effects etc would be ideal. We prefer competent generalists to specialised superstars.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 01, 2013, 08:30:33 PM
Depending on location, that's actually pretty good.  Now... if you're in a major metro area, not so much.

SW Florida.

What part of SW Florida?  I'm surprised they can compete with Publix who pays folks about 20% more than that with comparable (if not arguably better) benefits.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on August 01, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
No remote. We're a small team and being able to desk surf is vital. The art role is 3d modelling as well as some 2d stuff on top.

I can model an extruded hexagon in Blender, Max or Maya in only about 10 minutes.

When's my interview?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on August 02, 2013, 01:55:05 AM
SW Florida.

That's quite good.  If I'm correct, there's no state tax in Florida as well.  That's like another 8% bonus.

That bonus quickly fades to dust once you consider hyper-elevated property values, property taxes, and home insurance.  All of which trickle into rent costs if you're renting, and commercial real estate costs for your employers (further driving down wages).  Factor in the quality of living per dollar and it's lose-lose.  Combined with a predominantly weak salary average due to a very labor unfriendly/pro-business market and hispanic immigrant pressures, it's no wonder FLA has very little skilled labor left outside the space coast.


CAD/ BIM Manager at our company is leaving to move back to Colorado and take a huge opportunity (Stock options, car allowance) with a giant construction & construction management company.  Can't blame him as it's an executive position and we're mid-sized and can't compete at that level of salary.

However, it leaves a gaping hole here that needs to be filled.  One that he and others think I could fill.  Not sure I want to move out of the Architect role and in to IT support.  Bleh, decisions.

Anywho, if you guys know of anyone with a Revit/ Autocad/ Archicad support background who is also familiar enough with Adobe Products and design firm IT support, who's also willing to relocate to Cincinnati, let me know.  (Needle, meet haystack.)

I'll ask my CAD professor, but last he told me he's stuck in SoFla because of his wife.   Drafting jobs are actually pretty high-demand and well-paying if you target the right sectors and are willing to move.  I'm still debating whether to go whole-hog into the CAM field myself actually.  I saw a Catia-based CAM job working for a defense contractor that paid like $85k entry level. 



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on August 02, 2013, 02:18:02 AM
I'll ask my CAD professor, but last he told me he's stuck in SoFla because of his wife.   Drafting jobs are actually pretty high-demand and well-paying if you target the right sectors and are willing to move.  I'm still debating whether to go whole-hog into the CAM field myself actually.  I saw a Catia-based CAM job working for a defense contractor that paid like $85k entry level. 

They probably also want an engineering degree to go with that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 02, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
That bonus quickly fades to dust once you consider hyper-elevated property values, property taxes, and home insurance.  All of which trickle into rent costs if you're renting, and commercial real estate costs for your employers (further driving down wages).  Factor in the quality of living per dollar and it's lose-lose.  Combined with a predominantly weak salary average due to a very labor unfriendly/pro-business market and hispanic immigrant pressures, it's no wonder FLA has very little skilled labor left outside the space coast.

What?  I mean, what?  This is just not even close to true.  Property values here are incredibly low.  I live in a luxury apartment in downtown Tampa and pay $1700/mo for a 1200sqft 2/2.  Comparable apartments in metro areas would run you at least double in other places. 

Just no.  And the salary thing?  I make out the door $71k for a skilled position that would net me about $90k in places like NYC and California.  (Saks and Apple, respectively). Compared to a place that has almost triple the cost of living?  Maybe Miami and such are terrible, but Orlando and Tampa are doing just fine.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on August 02, 2013, 11:20:05 AM
That bonus quickly fades to dust once you consider hyper-elevated property values, property taxes, and home insurance.  All of which trickle into rent costs if you're renting, and commercial real estate costs for your employers (further driving down wages).  Factor in the quality of living per dollar and it's lose-lose.  Combined with a predominantly weak salary average due to a very labor unfriendly/pro-business market and hispanic immigrant pressures, it's no wonder FLA has very little skilled labor left outside the space coast.

What?  I mean, what?  This is just not even close to true.  Property values here are incredibly low.  I live in a luxury apartment in downtown Tampa and pay $1700/mo for a 1200sqft 2/2.  Comparable apartments in metro areas would run you at least double in other places.  

Just no.  And the salary thing?  I make out the door $71k for a skilled position that would net me about $90k in places like NYC and California.  (Saks and Apple, respectively). Compared to a place that has almost triple the cost of living?  Maybe Miami and such are terrible, but Orlando and Tampa are doing just fine.


I should have qualified by saying SoFla.  I did qualify the space coast, but should've added the I-4 corridor.  In that sense, yes is some ways you are correct.  Matter of fact that region has some of the best small schools in the country ironically.  I wont argue too much on the rest of our points though, as that's taking it a bit too far personally.  As long as you're happy where you are, can participate in a growing community, etc.  it's a good thing.

I will say this though (having been through my share of employment agencies).  The first thing they tell you in meetings is, "STOP FUCKIN' TAKING LESS MONEY."  That is all.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on August 02, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
No remote? Also, more details on the  3d artists side.

No remote. We're a small team and being able to desk surf is vital. The art role is 3d modelling as well as some 2d stuff on top. Just like with the programming gig we need people who can wear different hats so being able to step up and do some UI mockups or create some particle effects etc would be ideal. We prefer competent generalists to specialised superstars.

Yeah, I got the skills for the most part. But no remote is a deal breaker. Good luck!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: cmlancas on August 02, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
I will say this though (having been through my share of employment agencies).  The first thing they tell you in meetings is, "STOP FUCKIN' TAKING LESS MONEY."  That is all.

This.  I'd say 95% of the people I've met who've taken less money have been unhappy they did.  The other five still regret it, but are glad their jobs are contained dumpster fires instead of uncontrollable ones.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on August 02, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
They say that not because they're sad for you.  They say that because they're sad for themselves, since you've effectively marginalized their expertise by taking a new car's worth of salary per year away from your profession.  Taxation or not.  This is likely somewhat why Schild gets snippy every time he see these salary posts.

I'm trying my best not to burst thy bubble as he tends to do, but also your math is woeful a tad.  If you think it's ok to take a 22% paycut to justify a 3% tax difference though, we'll have to disagree there.  Fuck's sake, take the money and live in Hoboken or Oakland if you have to.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on August 02, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
We need a friggen US IT workers union maybe something along the lines of the National Association of Realtors if not that then the United Auto Workers.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on August 02, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
We need a friggen US IT workers union maybe something along the lines of the National Association of Realtors if not that then the United Auto Workers.

I kinda agree, but for the time being you could make sure you're already a member of existing "quasi-unions" such as IEEE, ACM, and so forth (hopefully as a student, because seriously - normal membership is ridiculous).  As well as showing your face at conferences and adding to your CEUs every year.  Those things in and of themselves (if you utilize the resources given) almost are as strong as being in a large labor union.  Hell, the damned IEEE/ACM lobby is nothing to scoff at.

I will say a lot of these orgs definitely dont pricecheck enough with their members.  They do somewhat (maybe moreso within the smaller societies), but really they need to do better in those regards; which might explain why a lot of people dont renew.

As closely as you guys work work with electrical systems though, it's a wonder why you can't get something similar to IBEW.   


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on August 02, 2013, 06:45:25 PM
Ha, yes, the profession that is among the most libertarian-infested in the country is going to unionize.

I'd love to see it but there's just no chance. Bank presidents will unionize first.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on August 02, 2013, 06:46:54 PM
Heh, IT workers.

Try working in publishing...


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 05, 2013, 10:28:40 AM
Ha, yes, the profession that is among the most libertarian-infested in the country is going to unionize.

You mean the most easy to offshore.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on August 07, 2013, 10:30:37 PM
Getting furloughed. WOOO.  :crying_panda:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: TheWalrus on August 07, 2013, 11:53:40 PM
Shit man. That sucks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on August 12, 2013, 08:40:41 PM
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Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 22, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
Got the promotion. I'm IT now and not quite sure how I feel about that.  Mo' money and better promotion possibilites make it an overall plus, but I feel like I'm betraying my degree.  I'll get over it and can always go backin the future,tho.  I also never have seen the IT guys pulling regular 60 hour weeks, so, yeah.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 22, 2013, 09:55:38 PM
Congratulations?

IT is as good a place as any to "waste" a degree for a better paycheck.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 23, 2013, 09:26:49 AM
I also never have seen the IT guys pulling regular 60 hour weeks, so, yeah.

Congratulations, then.  Either it's stable or they hide the interruptions well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 23, 2013, 10:05:36 AM
Congratulations?

IT is as good a place as any to "waste" a degree for a better paycheck.

Yeah, thanks. The angst is totally existensial as I transition to a new career path. At least it's not one where I abandon all knowledge and my past is useful.  A design tech manager who doesn't know how to put together a construction drawing set is more useless than a glass hammer.

I also never have seen the IT guys pulling regular 60 hour weeks, so, yeah.
Congratulations, then.  Either it's stable or they hide the interruptions well.

Both. The network guys work very hard to maintain stability, and have the bonus of a CEO who came-up on the IT side and understands the need to not cut IT off at the knees. (Which is unusual for a design company) 

The worst 2 problems we've had in the 3 years I've been here are:
 1) A switch blew, which then caused one that was failing to totally fail under the strain. Both were slated for replacement but departments demanding the network couldn't go down on 3 consecutive weekends due to deadlines had delayed it.  Network was out for about 6 hours starting at around 7am.

2) 2 underground transformers blew on the street outside and caused a fire in an adjacent building that killed our external connectivity. The lines run through a Bell conduit in that building's basement and the power was auto-cut when the fire happened.  Total downtime 10 hours, but it started at 3pm on a Thursday.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 23, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
Now is your chance to install redundant network switches.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 23, 2013, 12:53:34 PM
Not *my* chance, not my scope!

Design Tech Manager: aka.  The Cad/ Revit/ Adobe/ Rendering software guy.   I'm all software, training, standards and license management.  Hardware is the other guys' problem!  :drill:  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 23, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
:oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on August 23, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
I knew that'd getcha.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on August 23, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
Not *my* chance, not my scope!

Design Tech Manager: aka.  The Cad/ Revit/ Adobe/ Rendering software guy.   I'm all software, training, standards and license management.  Hardware is the other guys' problem!  :drill:  :why_so_serious:

Ahh you are the guy who gets to live inside what I like to call the "Nexus of Suck" which is the area where the  people who have to be responsible for getting Adobe and AutoDesk products working at the same time live.  :ye_gods:

We have consultants on site next week to start our Archibus upgrade project. That is going to be so many levels of not fun. Thankfully I am not tasked with dealing with that directly (though I have to deal with our stupid fucking website re-design debacle and the upgrade of our power plant control suite during that same timeframe so I probably am not much of a winner).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Fabricated on September 03, 2013, 09:13:48 PM
So I was bitching about my worthless team lead a while back. Well, I got rotated finally and moved into a different queue.

It sucks really bad; this queue is basically 4-5 colleges smushed into one and we only recently took over so we're converting from one domain to the other. I've been miserable at work and busy thanks to the massive pre-semester start crush. We're still catching up but my new team lead is stressed out and so busy he can't really assign stuff or keep track of who is doing what all the time so he appealed to our main supervisors for help.

Guess who just got the job to kinda take a look at our queue and assign stuff to people?

Yeah, my worthless former team lead. Who knows nothing about this queue. Who has never worked over here. Whose mission seems to be do as little work as possible through delegation. They literally squashed my only silver lining.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on September 05, 2013, 11:15:25 AM
Time.  To.  Go.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on September 05, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
In 2013, if you have a job, you don't get to complain about your job. That should be America's new motto. "America: Lucky You, Fucker."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Kail on September 05, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
So, I've been without a job for uncomfortably long and am having to look a lot farther afield than I usually would, and I've run in to a few postings looking for "search evaluators" but I have no idea WTF they are.  Anyone know?  Everything I can find about them says something vague about making sure that internet search results are valid, which seems like a weird thing to be doing unless you're running a search engine yourself, which I don't think a lot of these companies are.  Something about it sounds sketchy, anyone know what the deal is there?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on September 05, 2013, 01:31:15 PM
No it's not sketchy unless the company that's offering the job is :why_so_serious:

Here's Google's description of what it is:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/search-evaluation-at-google.html

And here's a job posting which is a bit more vague but does in general match what is written above:

https://www.leapforceathome.com/qrp/public/job/1

I would also imagine that there are related positions at companies checking to see that their SEO is doing what they want it to do. I.e. you would be checking search results for a batch of query terms related to that company and making sure things show up they way they want them to. A lot of that can be automated but there's still a human component to it like checking for other companies abusing your trademarks to boost their search results or place their ads on the first page of your search terms.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lianka on September 05, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
In 2013, if you have a job, you don't get to complain about your job. That should be America's new motto. "America: Lucky You, Fucker."


America, slowly turning into Atlantic Canada..


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on September 05, 2013, 02:03:35 PM
In 2013, if you have a job, you don't get to complain about your job. That should be America's new motto. "America: Lucky You, Fucker."


That was my motto in 2008.

Granted I'm not looking hard right now but I've had offers because I listen to leave this current job. I would like to think things are a shitton better than they were in the market 5 years ago when everyone was just telling you to fuck off, but who knows.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on September 05, 2013, 02:10:28 PM
Things are getting better, but really, really slowly and you'll find yourself meeting a lot more pigfuckers.

Seriously, it's like in times of financial trouble, they dump good guys and keep utterly, utterly useless fucking shitheels.

I suspect this is why revolutions happen;  the burning desire to string up assholes from lamposts.  I know I could do with some of that therapy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on September 05, 2013, 02:53:16 PM
Speaking of. (http://news.yahoo.com/uk-firm-sorry-making-jobseekers-dance-interview-181106479--finance.html)

Quote
LONDON (Reuters) - British electronics retailer Currys issued an apology on Thursday after admitting that interviewees trying to earn a job as a sales assistant at one of its stores had been made to dance.

The jobseekers, who were attending a group interview at a Currys Megastore in Cardiff, had to perform dance routines during team building exercises which the firm said did not form part of its formal procedures.

"I think everyone initially thought it was a joke. But they were serious," Alan Bacon, one of those at the selection day, told the BBC.

"I ended up dancing to 'Around the World' by (French electronic music act) Daft Punk, doing rubbish robotics in my suit in front of a group of strangers. Another middle aged guy looked really upset as he danced to a rap song."

Currys, which is part of Dixons Retail, said the incident should not have happened and it was carrying out an internal investigation.

"We are extremely disappointed that one of the management team at the store in question did not follow our official recruitment processes," Currys said in a statement.

"We are extremely sorry to those interviewees impacted; all are being asked to attend another interview where they will be given a proper opportunity to demonstrate how they can contribute to our business."

(Reporting by Michael Holden)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 05, 2013, 03:35:38 PM
Job interviews are nothing more than dancing for the interviewer anyway.  May as well make it literal.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on September 05, 2013, 03:53:46 PM
Fuck me gently.

Those people should be suspended from lamposts neckwise.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on September 05, 2013, 05:34:27 PM
Layoff season.   :ye_gods:  This will be the first one I am actually, truly worried about.   Business is changing so much anyone could end up on the table.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on September 05, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
You're worried every year and get 50 job offers like every 3 months.

What did I JUST say about complaining?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on September 05, 2013, 05:52:28 PM
Are you still actively searching or is it more of a wait and see thing at the moment?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on September 05, 2013, 06:01:19 PM
Enjoying my furlough.  Nothing like being able to build your PC at 10am instead of 10pm.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on September 05, 2013, 11:50:41 PM
Job interviews are nothing more than dancing for the interviewer anyway.
I was on the committee for one today... It was awful.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on September 06, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
The husband is looking and trying to expand out from banking (he's been in the field for 20+ years now) and is open to doing other, related things.  He finds a position on a job board for a BSA and the qualifications are all stuff that he's done for years, he's just never had a title that said BSA in it.  He applies and it goes to a recruiting firm instead of the employer (which was named in the job description).  Said he got a reply in under 5 minutes saying thanks, but you're not qualified.  So he got pissed and went directly to the company site and applied there, will be interesting to see what happens.

He's only been looking for 2 weeks now but I'm hoping it doesn't take him as long to find a job as it did the last time I was out.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lianka on September 13, 2013, 02:47:12 PM
Good thing I didn't get much chance to prepare for that interview, since they didn't ask me anything about anything I would have prepared for!

1stRecruiter: It's going to be on machine learning and classification. It's not going to be a technical interview.
2ndRecruiter: It's going to be a tech interview.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2013, 10:05:24 AM
Bullet from a job description:
Excellent verbal and written communication skills to communicate with a wide variety of Technical groups and Senior Managers as well as Piers.

:oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: satael on September 24, 2013, 10:21:41 AM
Bullet from a job description:
Excellent verbal and written communication skills to communicate with a wide variety of Technical groups and Senior Managers as well as Piers.

:oh_i_see:

You never know when you might need to communicate with a pier (and not many people can do it)  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on September 24, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Try an Aldis Lamp.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
That is from a super-serious AIX job listing, by the way.  If you can do kernel debugging on AIX and also know C/C++, it looks like a good position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on September 24, 2013, 12:24:18 PM
I pointed out an error (3 actually) in a job posting once where grammar and communication were important. I didn't get a call back, though, I feel like I should have - given it wasn't a political position. HR people tend to think they're... important.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on September 24, 2013, 12:53:32 PM
That is from a super-serious AIX job listing, by the way.  If you can do kernel debugging on AIX and also know C/C++, it looks like a good position.

Assuming you can get by the HR wank that wrote that description.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 24, 2013, 02:32:43 PM
That is from a super-serious AIX job listing, by the way.  If you can do kernel debugging on AIX and also know C/C++, it looks like a good position.

Assuming you can get by the HR wank that wrote that description.

Doesn't seem insurmountable. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on September 24, 2013, 03:36:34 PM
Depends. What are your piers going to be like?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on September 24, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
Moors.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on September 24, 2013, 04:36:17 PM
Depends. What are your piers going to be like?

Concrete. Most likely they look a lot like shoes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on September 24, 2013, 04:48:32 PM
1 Imports.

My female family members love it.  It is the go to place for birthdays.  I've never seen anything good there myself.  Probably my fault for not liking candles, wall sconces, throw pillows or wicker.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on September 24, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
I pointed out an error (3 actually) in a job posting once where grammar and communication were important. I didn't get a call back, though, I feel like I should have - given it wasn't a political position. HR people tend to think they're... important.

They are. They get you jobs (unless you're getting it through connections). Maybe treat them as such when trying to get a job and return to form as an arsehole later on.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on September 25, 2013, 08:58:21 AM
I pointed out an error (3 actually) in a job posting once where grammar and communication were important. I didn't get a call back, though, I feel like I should have - given it wasn't a political position. HR people tend to think they're... important.

They are. They get you jobs (unless you're getting it through connections). Maybe treat them as such when trying to get a job and return to form as an arsehole later on.
Coming from the hiring side of the spectrum I usually tell HR not to screen any applications and just hand them over.  I also like to review and unfucktor the job posting text and even occasionally resort to crashing happy hours and personally posting on craigslist, basically anything I can do to circumventaugment HR's efforts to find a qualified candidate. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on September 25, 2013, 10:22:10 AM
1 Imports.

My female family members love it.  It is the go to place for birthdays.  I've never seen anything good there myself.  Probably my fault for not liking candles, wall sconces, throw pillows or wicker.
I love the 'furniture' at places like that. Fails the first furniture test every time. I put my hand on top and move it back and forth. Usually I have to stop immediately because I'm afeared it will fall apart.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on September 28, 2013, 05:53:35 AM
Just got promoted the first time I was eligible post-tenure, which is nice - with only 18 days to go until I leave this position, I'm finally at the correct grade for it after about two years. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: sickrubik on September 28, 2013, 12:36:01 PM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Samwise on September 28, 2013, 01:29:37 PM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.

 :ye_gods:

I've been at my company for 14 years, which is slightly more than my entire adult life.  I can only imagine "numb as hell" is an understatement.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on September 28, 2013, 03:58:44 PM
Congrats to Strazos and  :cry: for getting laid off.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on September 28, 2013, 05:20:06 PM
Just got promoted the first time I was eligible post-tenure, which is nice - with only 18 days to go until I leave this position, I'm finally at the correct grade for it after about two years. :oh_i_see:
Congrats man!  Is getting promoted that quickly fairly common for you generalists types, or is that pretty remarkable?  For IMS, we get auto-promoted after 18 months, then the average for getting your first competitive promotion is around 8-10 years I think (though some people fly up the ranks way faster, obviously). 

Lots of hilarious drama already since that bid list came out.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on September 28, 2013, 05:51:02 PM
That sucks, sick, here's to landing on your feet.

We just had to let 4 guys who had a minimum of 15 years with the firm go, one who was the son of one of the founders and one who had 22 years with the company.  (Big-Box retail chains aren't building anymore, Amazon is eating them.)

I can't fathom 1) staying at a company that long and 2) how you would ever adjust to another company/ culture after that.  I've changed jobs every 3-5 years since I started working, by choice or by circumstance.  It's given me a certain resilience but each new job is still a culture shock learning new procedures, methodologies and company standards. After such a long time doing the same thing for the same company it's got to be like starting from scratch.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Venkman on September 28, 2013, 08:01:59 PM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.
Dude, really sorry to hear that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on September 28, 2013, 11:53:47 PM
I can't fathom 1) staying at a company that long and 2) how you would ever adjust to another company/ culture after that.  

I left my first "real" job after 10 years there. I was very apprehensive at first, but found that I was able to transition to another company and industry without any problems - and my skills really did come in handy! (Sounded like they should on paper, but it was a new completely new industry for me though still in IT).

Now I'm onto another industry after 2 years at the last one. Same sh!t, different jargon.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on September 29, 2013, 05:51:10 AM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.

Wow, that is terrible. I don't even know what I would do right now, and I've only been here for 4 years (longest at any one employer, for the record).

Is getting promoted that quickly fairly common for you generalists types, or is that pretty remarkable?

I came in as an 06 due to (low) previous pay and experience, so I had 1 admin promotion at 12 months and then again 18 months later. By three years in, pretty much everyone should be 04s and hopefully eligible for tenure (though only some percentage get it on the first pass). Plenty of people are not tenured on the first pass, and then not everyone eligible for promotion to 03 gets it (you have to be tenured first) - I think out of the 96 or so people we started with back in Sept 2009, a total of 30-40 have now gotten to 03, with the caveat that some number of people have left the service (I don't track that really) for various reasons.

It's nice and good for peace of mind, but I won't see the benefits until I get to my next assignment - I lose pretty much all pay modifiers (about 36% + COLA) when I'm back in training, with the caveat that language training is a totally different kind of stress than a normal working position.

I should expect to be at the 03 level for about 7 years, if I remember the average time-in-class stats correctly.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on September 29, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.

I am so sorry.  I can't even begin to imagine what you must be going through. 

Try to stay positive.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: sickrubik on September 29, 2013, 11:10:18 AM
Thanks for the kind words. People like Ingmar know I've been more and more miserable there lately because of a culture shift that was just not as friendly as it once was. I've been hoping for an opportunity to find something new, so I'm trying to view this as them doing me a favor, ultimately. They gave me a severance, something that they do for almost nobody else, which was nice. Only two weeks pay, but it's better than none. Also paying for my insurance through October.

More time for Hex, I guess?

But, went out on Friday night to the local craft beer bar and have a strong lead on a job already, which made me feel great. More importantly it was a good reminder that I have a good support system around me, with some really rare bottles being broken out and shared.

The weirdest part of all this is that I haven't been unemployed since I was 19. I don't even know how to do this job search thing!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: grebo on September 29, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
I think the best advice is to remain as emotionally distant from the process as possible.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on September 29, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
Looks like another furlough. Now my wife, because Republicans are children unable to pass laws that don't contain poison pills. Bleh.

edit: spelling.  And children is sufficient.  The political grandstanding over shit that has already passed is grand, but there are actual people working for the government.  The supply of zombies is limited.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on September 30, 2013, 09:27:52 AM
Lucky for me I'm consider 'essential personal', so it will impact me very limitedly.  The flip side to that is that in the event the embassy is in a country involved major civil unrest or even under attack itself, I'm also just about the last person who gets to leave.   :why_so_serious:
I came in as an 06 due to (low) previous pay and experience, so I had 1 admin promotion at 12 months and then again 18 months later. By three years in, pretty much everyone should be 04s and hopefully eligible for tenure (though only some percentage get it on the first pass). Plenty of people are not tenured on the first pass, and then not everyone eligible for promotion to 03 gets it (you have to be tenured first) - I think out of the 96 or so people we started with back in Sept 2009, a total of 30-40 have now gotten to 03, with the caveat that some number of people have left the service (I don't track that really) for various reasons.

It's nice and good for peace of mind, but I won't see the benefits until I get to my next assignment - I lose pretty much all pay modifiers (about 36% + COLA) when I'm back in training, with the caveat that language training is a totally different kind of stress than a normal working position.

I should expect to be at the 03 level for about 7 years, if I remember the average time-in-class stats correctly.
Interesting.  I thought it worked that you aren't eligible for promotion until 3 years after your last one (including the admin promotion).  That’s how it works for us at least.  We come in at a 5, get admin promoted to 4 at 18 months, then a minimum of 3 years till we get our 3.  I think on average it takes 7-8 years to get to a 3, though some people fly up the ladder (my IMO just got his 2, after 11 years of service).

Heh, and don't talk to me about the loss of benefits.  Warsaw is one of the lowest paying post in the FS I found out.  We get no differential, No R&R now (I literally was the last one anybody going to Warsaw got), and low COLA.  Flip side is that I live in Poland and not Benin.     :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xanthippe on September 30, 2013, 10:03:58 AM
Welp, after 13 years, I was laid off yesterday.

 Numb as hell, but attempting to see it as an opportunity rather than a death sentence.

Ugh, that sucks, so sorry.

My spouse was laid off after 21 years after surviving many RIFs - took him 7 months to find a job but he very much enjoys his new one (minus the hour-and-a-half commute each way - at least it's a purty drive). It was a blessing in disguise, really. The old company wasn't the same one he started working for - it had undergone so many changes over the years, finally being sold to another company that basically ate it while keeping the name. Culture and everything changed so much for the worse that it was practically unrecognizable.

Here's hoping you find something better soon.




Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on September 30, 2013, 11:45:29 AM
Looks like another furlough. Now my wife, because Republicans are children unable to pass laws that don't contain poison pills. Bleh.

edit: spelling.  And children is sufficient.  The political grandstanding over shit that has already passed is grand, but there are actual people working for the government.  The supply of zombies is limited.


Sucks, but I expect AZ and TX to continue down this route until they've totally defunded/ disassembled state government nearly entirely. That way they can point to themselves on a national level and say, "SEE, IT WORKS. (ignore the details of how we get things done/ how expensive fees are)"


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on September 30, 2013, 06:35:04 PM
Thanks for the kind words. People like Ingmar know I've been more and more miserable there lately because of a culture shift that was just not as friendly as it once was. I've been hoping for an opportunity to find something new, so I'm trying to view this as them doing me a favor, ultimately. They gave me a severance, something that they do for almost nobody else, which was nice. Only two weeks pay, but it's better than none. Also paying for my insurance through October.

More time for Hex, I guess?

But, went out on Friday night to the local craft beer bar and have a strong lead on a job already, which made me feel great. More importantly it was a good reminder that I have a good support system around me, with some really rare bottles being broken out and shared.

The weirdest part of all this is that I haven't been unemployed since I was 19. I don't even know how to do this job search thing!

Once you're in the new job you'll kick yourself for letting yourself stay with those exploitative bastards as long as you did. You'll get it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: shiznitz on October 01, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Thanks for the kind words. People like Ingmar know I've been more and more miserable there lately because of a culture shift that was just not as friendly as it once was. I've been hoping for an opportunity to find something new, so I'm trying to view this as them doing me a favor, ultimately. They gave me a severance, something that they do for almost nobody else, which was nice. Only two weeks pay, but it's better than none. Also paying for my insurance through October.

More time for Hex, I guess?

But, went out on Friday night to the local craft beer bar and have a strong lead on a job already, which made me feel great. More importantly it was a good reminder that I have a good support system around me, with some really rare bottles being broken out and shared.

The weirdest part of all this is that I haven't been unemployed since I was 19. I don't even know how to do this job search thing!

Getting hired just takes longer these days.  You could be the top candidate and they like you, but they keep interviewing others for months anyway.  Firms are looking for perfection because they can.  As was said above, distance your emotions from it.  If you radiate urgency, it will probably hurt you.

In interviews, the biggest issue will be how someone who has been at the same firm for so long can adapt to a new culture.  You will need to demonstrate that you understand this and be proactive about addressing it.

But I am in finance so my perspective might be irrelevant to you!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on October 01, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
Ran into this presentation for MBA grads looking for a job, but might be useful for non-MBA types too.

http://www.humanworkplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Quick-and-Dirty-MBA-Job-Search-2012.pdf


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: sickrubik on October 11, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
An amusing thing happened today...

I got a letter from the EDD talking about the Next Steps for Unemployment.

I also got a jury summons. that $5/day stipend is suddenly looking a lot better!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 13, 2013, 06:48:15 PM
Glad you haven't lost your sense of humor.

I'm about to start looking for something else.  I'm well past my tolerance level of BS.  Wondering when the whole house of cards is going to come tumbling down makes me morbidly curious though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 14, 2013, 07:28:24 AM
I hear that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 14, 2013, 08:39:37 AM
Morbid curiosity is a fine thing, as long as you have one foot in the life boat.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on October 14, 2013, 10:07:41 AM
Random headhunting offers seem to appear again this time of year, mostly for jobs that are horrible international taxation in the private sector.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 14, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
Morbid curiosity is a fine thing, as long as you have one foot in the life boat.
If the company goes bye-bye then I've got a solid claim on Unemployment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 15, 2013, 08:40:31 AM
Morbid curiosity is a fine thing, as long as you have one foot in the life boat.
If the company goes bye-bye then I've got a solid claim on Unemployment.

Have you moved to Canada?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on October 18, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
Finally back in the Western Hemisphere for the foreseeable future. :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 18, 2013, 12:46:11 PM
Great, you can help take down all these barriers that were placed around otherwise unattended monuments.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on October 18, 2013, 04:14:50 PM
Congrats, you survived!  I guess two years in Benin should probably make you enjoy FSI a little more than back in the initial training days, heh.  My boss use to work in Mexico and has worked in Monterrey several times.  He has a lot of good things to say about it, so that should be something to look forward to.

There's a not insignificant chance I'll take you're place back in Africa in Lagos or Bujumbura in a year, so I guess I'll look to you for some pointers if/when that happens.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Jimbo on October 19, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
We have openings for 2 night shift RN's, ER and/or Critical Care experience required. The hospital down the street has about 8 night shift openings.

I hear a lot of grumblings in that we don't want to hire new grads, but we aren't big enough or have enough time available to start up a new grad program, those hospitals that do that are bigger in bigger populations (yes there are some small hospitals and medium sized that do, but it is getting rarer). What happens is that we get them trained on an intermediate care unit or cardiac unit where they can learn some things, then try out ER or ICU. If you really want to graduated from nursing school and work ER or ICU, go get your paramedic first, work as a paramedic while going to RN school, then apply (and take the flight slot i was so freaking wanting!!!! god damn Paramedic to RN's...jk I'm glad they got it...fuckers).

Problem is that new grads think they should get a job where the don't work nights, overtime, weekends, or have to start in a lower care unit and work up. The good news is that there is lots of turn over, so eventually in a couple of years you get to the speciality you want.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on October 29, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
Anyone work at Google that I can list as a friend?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on October 29, 2013, 04:36:09 PM
Anyone work at Google that I can list as a friend?  :awesome_for_real:

HINT HINT QUENTON

I have like 10 friends that work there, I should probably try to work that angle too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on October 30, 2013, 01:36:58 PM
Sounds like they're doing a big hiring push at Mountain View.   Technical phone interview in a couple weeks.  Should be fun interacting with an engineer that'll make me feel like a moron for a solid 45 minutes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on October 30, 2013, 03:59:25 PM
After two years of drought, headhunted by two companies in one week.  One has an old friend working there and would offer more potential.  The other basically offered a blank cheque at interview.

What an odd week it's been.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on October 30, 2013, 06:04:26 PM
After two years of drought, headhunted by two companies in one week.  One has an old friend working there and would offer more potential.  The other basically offered a blank cheque at interview.

What an odd week it's been.


Haven't you been pretty close to going postal at your current employer recently?

Sounds like you have two ways to stay out of jail! :D



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on October 31, 2013, 05:40:18 AM
Sounds like they're doing a big hiring push at Mountain View.   Technical phone interview in a couple weeks.  Should be fun interacting with an engineer that'll make me feel like a moron for a solid 45 minutes.

It's weird. Of the people I went to university with, or worked with in my first two years out of uni, fully half of them have been absorbed into the Google mothership via various means.

The other half work for defense contractors. Go figure.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on October 31, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
I don't believe I'll be absorbed.  I thought they contacted me for a completely different reason/skillset than they actually did.  This will likely be a lot of cramming and relearning for little chance at success.  Still, worth a shot.  Current employer really has no clue what they're doing is and is eventually going to mismanage an entire division into oblivion.  Yay.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sjofn on October 31, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
Does this mean you'll be in Mountain View at some point? :P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on October 31, 2013, 06:10:30 PM
Must pass 45 minutes of doom first.  Then it's onto first person humiliation and shame.  So.. maybe?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 01, 2013, 08:01:46 AM
My favorite thing about you is your undefeatable optimism. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 02, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
Good luck to you!  I barely manage to be productive now and I work at a place with few distractions, I can't even imagine how unproductive I would be at Google.  Then again working at Google isn't anything I would ever have to worry about.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on November 03, 2013, 04:41:36 PM
Good luck to you!  I barely manage to be productive now and I work at a place with few distractions, I can't even imagine how unproductive I would be at Google.  Then again working at Google isn't anything I would ever have to worry about.
Need a sidekick in doing nothing? Because that sounds fantastic.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 04, 2013, 03:37:46 PM
Good luck to you!  I barely manage to be productive now and I work at a place with few distractions, I can't even imagine how unproductive I would be at Google.  Then again working at Google isn't anything I would ever have to worry about.
Need a sidekick in doing nothing? Because that sounds fantastic.
There is some difference between doing nothing and being unproductive even if the results are the same.  They aren't hiring for the foreseeable future, my guess is the next position to open up will be mine in 18 months or so when I leave.  I doubt you would enjoy this particular nightmare though, we do get to yell and curse at each other a lot so it is somewhat better than my last gig at least.

edit - You should sniff around the Google building they appear to be hiring large quantities of people that do mysteriously things while appearing to drink beer and ride scooters around the office, Austin is mostly made up of various levels of account reps I think.

edit2 - And by account rep I mean the technovangelist type not the parts supplier type.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on November 04, 2013, 05:30:32 PM
I check Google periodically, unless there's an intranet list of jobs there, the ones they've posted externally for Austin are basically shit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Quinton on November 04, 2013, 05:35:34 PM
I don't believe there are very many projects operating out of the Austin office.  Google has a quite a few regional offices, but tends not to stretch and teams projects between sites if it can be avoided.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 13, 2013, 01:37:01 PM
It really sucks after being a stay-at-home dad for six years to realize all your old bosses either died or retired.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 14, 2013, 05:39:02 AM
It really sucks after being a stay-at-home dad for six years to realize all your old bosses either died or retired.

Why does that suck ?  I would like to do the same to most of my old bosses with a sniper rifle.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on November 14, 2013, 06:20:45 AM
I think maybe he is having trouble finding someone to answer reference check calls?

Job interview on Tuesday for one of two positions at the central IT office on campus. Jobs are in the office that runs endpoint management (SCCM, IBM Enterprise Manager, McAfee EPO) for the university. I am going to be cramming every bit of information I have forgotten in the last year since I had SCCM training plus anything else I can pick up this weekend..


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 14, 2013, 08:09:20 AM
My answer to Windows tech questions is usually "I'm sure it's in a menu somewhere."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 14, 2013, 08:12:40 AM
F1 Mastery.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 14, 2013, 10:16:03 AM
It really sucks after being a stay-at-home dad for six years to realize all your old bosses either died or retired.

Why does that suck ?  I would like to do the same to most of my old bosses with a sniper rifle.


It sucks because can I really list my 7-year-old as a reference?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 14, 2013, 10:24:00 AM
Yes.  Yes, you can.

You can also specify HR as the reference and let the hirer figure that shit out.  It's really Not Your Problem.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 14, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
It's my problem since they require me to upload them into their system.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 14, 2013, 02:21:03 PM
I also am apparently deceased according to my college.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2013, 02:27:47 PM
Do you have any evidence to show them that you aren't?  They'll need at least 3 documents.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Miasma on November 14, 2013, 02:39:06 PM
I also am apparently deceased according to my college.
That's a pretty extreme way to get out of those annoying alumni letters.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Furiously on November 14, 2013, 03:50:22 PM
Do you have any evidence to show them that you aren't?  They'll need at least 3 documents.

Apparently a driver's license is sufficient.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: IainC on November 26, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
If anyone is looking for a linux sysadmin gig, my company is hiring. The job is in Madrid but relo assistance is on the table, the company works in English too.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on November 27, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Given the more than 25% unemployment rate in Spain right now importing a foreign worker seems almost like a human  rights violation.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on November 27, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
The US has been struggling with unemployment rates also, yet there are many industries, both in tech and manufacturing, that cannot find enough skilled workers among our over 300 million population to take the jobs they desperately want to fill.  Industry and the job market has changed radically in the industrialized world over the last decade or two, and one of the biggest challenges nations face seems to be getting their workforce retrained towards what the domestic market actually demands.  Until we figure out how to manage that more efficiently, skilled immigrant labor is going to be a necessary fact of life for companies to stay afloat.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 10, 2013, 07:01:47 PM
So I just sent the CTO (my boss) an email, this should be interesting.  It was about how certain things going down at one time haven't gone unnoticed.  Things such as:
1) They sent out a new severance policy that states there is no severance unless you have a signed letter from the CEO (I didn't even know this was legal).
2) Removal of 3 days of PTO (yes, 3 weeks before the end of the year they change the PTO policy and reduce our total PTO from 18 days to 15)
3) Removal our awesome coffee pot for some tiny piece of shit
4) The lawyer has been going around showing off random people the office talking about the utility of spaces and hwo they match building plans they were given.  Since my company is in a shitty monetary situation I'd put my money on them wanting to sublease our office space out.

fun times ahead  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on December 10, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
Queue Ironwood telling you to "get out now" in ...3...2...1


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on December 10, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Wait, that's like 2 weeks leave a year, which is to be used for both vacation and sick days? Fuck that noise.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 10, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
Wait, that's like 2 weeks leave a year, which is to be used for both vacation and sick days? Fuck that noise.

15 days is 3 weeks.  Us non-government folks only work 5 days a week :P


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on December 10, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
Get out now.

I'm serious. ASAP.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 10, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
Get out now.

I'm serious. ASAP.

Pretty much what I'm going to secretly advise the people under me, and I'm definitely going to start spinning up my network for the new year. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on December 10, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
I wouldn't wait, the "Keep it open until after the new years so as not to spoil everyone's holidays" shtick is almost a cliche.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 10, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
I wouldn't wait, the "Keep it open until after the new years so as not to spoil everyone's holidays" shtick is almost a cliche.

I'm not going to wait to tell my team, I'll be talking to them tomorrow.  No one is hiring anyways the last 3 weeks in December which is why I'm working on getting my network now so I'm ready to get going in the new year.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hammond on December 10, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Good luck! and good on you to warn your team not many bosses would do that. If they are showing the space to potential renters that is pretty much the writing on the wall.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on December 11, 2013, 03:26:27 AM
So I just sent the CTO (my boss) an email, this should be interesting.  It was about how certain things going down at one time haven't gone unnoticed.  Things such as:
1) They sent out a new severance policy that states there is no severance unless you have a signed letter from the CEO (I didn't even know this was legal).
2) Removal of 3 days of PTO (yes, 3 weeks before the end of the year they change the PTO policy and reduce our total PTO from 18 days to 15)
3) Removal our awesome coffee pot for some tiny piece of shit
4) The lawyer has been going around showing off random people the office talking about the utility of spaces and hwo they match building plans they were given.  Since my company is in a shitty monetary situation I'd put my money on them wanting to sublease our office space out.

fun times ahead  :oh_i_see:

Yeah.  Go.  Now.  That CV Needs polished, pay someone.  If you need interview tips, pay someone.  You want someone hunting you jobs because you don't have time ?  Pay someone.

Get it done now and by someone else if you can't do it yourself.  So much harder to get a job when you ain't got one.

Especially when the tricky details  of 'Extreme Director Fiduciary Misconduct' in your previous place come to light.

...

I'm told.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on December 11, 2013, 03:28:04 AM
No one is hiring anyways the last 3 weeks in December which is why I'm working on getting my network now so I'm ready to get going in the new year.

Actually, you'd be surprised.  Since the two other job offers (one of which I've taken and start in the New Year) I've had no less than 5 companies sniffing around.  Some people like to clear decks and get things ready for a 'New Year, New Start'.

3 weeks is also a good notice period for a Christmas break.

Go find them.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on December 11, 2013, 07:15:50 AM
No one is hiring anyways the last 3 weeks in December which is why I'm working on getting my network now so I'm ready to get going in the new year.
You would be surprised.  I was contacted about a position they are looking to fill in the exact same timeframe.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 11, 2013, 07:41:00 AM
When I got into the office I looked at my offer letter.  Unfortunately severance isn't mentioned in it.  Guess this teaches me not to push for a minimum severance in the offer letter/hire contract.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 11, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
So had a nice chat with the CTO, who seemed just as perplexed by the severance policy as we are (take that as you will).  The company is trying to limit liabilities (thus the dumbness of the PTO change) as they are currently very strapped for cash.  They still believe that once the summer comes nad we get a bunch of revenue from our contracts we will be in a much better financial position going forward (which is legit, most of our contracts come up for renewal Q2 and we are pretty good at getting people to pay). 

The whole sublease thing is apparently that they want to sublease our current place and move us to a different building, as our current office is ridiculously overpriced and expensive.  It's dumb that they aren't making that public because otherwise it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention that something is up and what it looks like is worse than what it (supposedly) is.

Yeah I know, they need to spin things so things don't look as bad as they are.  We'll see.  I'm just going to be very frugal until the time comes, and if the time doesn't come and it turns out alright then I can be in a very, very good position career wise.  If things go downhill I have a good amount of savings, the market is good where I live, and I have some backup plans in the works.

Fun times ahead.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on December 11, 2013, 05:55:17 PM
My brain is fried.  I'm ready to bomb this interview. At least then I can say I "tried".  :awesome_for_real: 



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on December 12, 2013, 04:25:37 AM
So had a nice chat with the CTO, who seemed just as perplexed by the severance policy as we are (take that as you will).  The company is trying to limit liabilities (thus the dumbness of the PTO change) as they are currently very strapped for cash.  They still believe that once the summer comes nad we get a bunch of revenue from our contracts we will be in a much better financial position going forward (which is legit, most of our contracts come up for renewal Q2 and we are pretty good at getting people to pay). 

The whole sublease thing is apparently that they want to sublease our current place and move us to a different building, as our current office is ridiculously overpriced and expensive.  It's dumb that they aren't making that public because otherwise it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention that something is up and what it looks like is worse than what it (supposedly) is.

Yeah I know, they need to spin things so things don't look as bad as they are.  We'll see.  I'm just going to be very frugal until the time comes, and if the time doesn't come and it turns out alright then I can be in a very, very good position career wise.  If things go downhill I have a good amount of savings, the market is good where I live, and I have some backup plans in the works.

Fun times ahead.

You got the visit to Egypt booked ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 12, 2013, 08:28:58 AM
I'll wait and see how this turns out before I make any comments.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on December 12, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
My brain is fried.  I'm ready to bomb this interview. At least then I can say I "tried".  :awesome_for_real: 



Well, not a total bomb, but not a home run either.  No idea at all where I stand with this. 

There just isn't enough time for this style of interview, IMO.  I'm not some sort of competition speed programmer.  :|



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 12, 2013, 08:22:17 PM
Did you elaborate on this earlier while I was out of town?  You had a practicum test as an interview?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on December 13, 2013, 07:32:51 AM
Well, not a total bomb, but not a home run either.  No idea at all where I stand with this. 

There just isn't enough time for this style of interview, IMO.  I'm not some sort of competition speed programmer.  :|

I've found that, after a certain point, that style of interview is far more about how much experience you have doing programming interviews (and memorizing the tricks) than about actual engineering ability.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on December 13, 2013, 10:16:26 AM
That was my first of that style.  When I had previously interviewed at Google (6 years ago or so), they were doing a combination of brain teasers (how many creepy clowns are there in the world), phone programming questions (no Google docs then), and HR interview all rolled into one.  HR type shit doesn't seem to be a consideration and they don't ask the weird stuff anymore.

If this is something I want to consider outside of this opportunity, I'll just have to start doing some independent study and take a night a week to do exercises like this.  My willpower to stick with that sort of thing doesn't hang around long.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on January 03, 2014, 11:46:12 PM
I'm hiring a product analyst (http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?k=Job&su=fnH9VfwS&c=qse9Vfwu&j=ooHfYfw2) if anyone wants to move near Boulder, CO.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 04, 2014, 12:20:30 AM
I'm actually having my first job interview in five years on Monday.  For some reason I feel I should be more nervous, yet I'm not worried at all.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on January 09, 2014, 03:24:46 PM
I really wish companies would just give you an email or a text message if you at some point fall out of the running for a position.  Could be the holidays, but the eternal optimist in me says no.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on January 09, 2014, 05:24:40 PM
Oddly enough, the husband has gotten several messages when he's not been selected to "move forward" on a job search.  Including ones from online app systems.  Hey, a soulless system generated message is better than nothing.

Sucks he's not found anything yet.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on January 09, 2014, 06:53:23 PM
I actually prefer that to nothing. I think more people should do it.

Possibly event one for breakups too.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on January 09, 2014, 07:57:29 PM
I really wish companies would just give you an email or a text message if you at some point fall out of the running for a position.
Yup, would be nice.  They did send me the background check and application paperwork afterwards, and several people even emailed me to thank me for my time and they looked forward to hearing more from me, so I guess that's positive.  Last time I did this I had to wait 6 weeks to get a brush off email from one place and a "we aren't returning your phone calls so go away" vibe from the other.

On a side note I spent the night in DFW on the floor because of this frigid weather and American Airlines inability to handle it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on January 22, 2014, 01:49:07 PM
Got the "thanks, but no thanks" call finally.

And.. our 4th quarter was shitty.  Again.  Time to start looking elsewhere, before I'm asked to leave.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2014, 02:07:11 PM
No room over here. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Thrawn on January 22, 2014, 02:18:53 PM
Found out that my old job is likely going to have an opening doing almost exactly what I'm doing at my new job that they want me to apply for.  A little more money short term, a lot more money possible in the long term, likely comparable benefits and would be about 30 minute less driving every day.  I just need to get past feeling like it would be a dick move to leave my new job after only 6 months since I do actually like it here and I'm the 4th person in this position in 4 years.

I liked my old employer as well, but I was in a temp-to-hire 40 hours a week no benefits type situation for over a year when they couldn't get a position created for me so I left when something opened up elsewhere.

If I actually get offered a position at my old place is there anything wrong with just going to my current boss and saying "Hey, I like it here, but I just got offered X more money to go somewhere else that I know I like.  I'd like to stay but you guys would have to offer me Y more per year."?

I've left every place I've ever worked on really good terms so I'd prefer to keep that going if I can.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on January 22, 2014, 02:31:27 PM
Depends on the company. If you were at Google, and a good employee, they would likely say "sure, here's more money"* :awesome_for_real:

* http://www.businessinsider.com/a-google-programmer-blew-off-a-500000-salary-at-startup--because-hes-already-making-3-million-every-year-2014-1


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2014, 03:33:36 PM
I'd tell your current boss exactly that.  Just lay out the facts and I'd expect no one would fault you for making a good decision.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on January 22, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Also if they do have a shitfit after you tell them the whole story? Probably means you dodged drama down the line anyway.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on January 23, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
If anyone's got any decent EE-ish (mechatronics, systems, whatever) intern/fellowship contacts please lemme know (any location as long as it isn't Florida); I've gone down that deep, dark path and could use whatever halp I can find.  Now 'scuse me while I continue writing literally 20 essays.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 24, 2014, 04:51:13 PM
I got that RH cert out of the way.  Contrary to everyone else, I didn't have a problem with the time limit so much as I basically bombed the yum setup and wasn't able to do two entire tasks.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ashamanchill on January 28, 2014, 08:32:23 AM
Although it may not have been the smartest thing to do in today's job climate, this month I left the army after 12 years, and am doing something I should have done ages ago; going to university. Chemistry here I come!!!

Also, I am going to assume that music is the same as the last time I was in school. The Limp Bizkits are still popular, right?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: 01101010 on January 28, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
Although it may not have been the smartest thing to do in today's job climate, this month I left the army after 12 years, and am doing something I should have done ages ago; going to university. Chemistry here I come!!!

Also, I am going to assume that music is the same as the last time I was in school. The Limp Bizkits are still popular, right?

Unless you are going to live in the dorms, I don't think it will matter.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on February 01, 2014, 08:07:56 PM
Got an offer letter, which has been great.  But this place has 2 requirements for a background check and a drug screen.  Apparently the background check was fine, but this whole drug screen thing is REALLY being played out.  Forms have to be mailed out, I can't do anything with them except hand them to the person at this specialized place that takes the screening, and they're only open M, Tu, Th, Fr 1-4PM.  I didn't even know places that aren't the DEA or requiring top secret clearances even did pre-hiring drugs screens anymore.  I'll be really angry if my neighbors having a personal growing stash next door and a "green room" that wafts over the fence cause me to miss out on this job, because the way the place is playing it up you'd think we've got a serious battery of tests coming to see if a little reefer has ever been smoked.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on February 01, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
I had to get a pre-hire screening for the public library.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on February 01, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Although it may not have been the smartest thing to do in today's job climate, this month I left the army after 12 years, and am doing something I should have done ages ago; going to university. Chemistry here I come!!!

Also, I am going to assume that music is the same as the last time I was in school. The Limp Bizkits are still popular, right?

There have been at least a few service guys in just about every class I've been in.  The perks that you guys get for going to school (as well as internships) make me batshit jealous.  Good for you for taking advantage.  Couple tips, remember that ACE credits are typically accepted at University if you're military.  This means most gen. ed. online classes will count towards your degree.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 02, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Any ASP.Net C# folks looking for a job in the Austin area?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on February 02, 2014, 12:56:23 PM
Is that a person that exists? I don't even know.

I'm still looking for the Right Job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 02, 2014, 01:45:36 PM
Is that a person that exists? I don't even know.

I'm still looking for the Right Job.

Yes that is a person that exists but I really have to question a persons intelligence and/or sanity if their life choices led them to specialize in that particular nich.  I tried a full court press to get them to switch to PHP but they are not willing to admit defeat at this time, I was however given the nod to continue the good fight.

edit - It is really tough to convince your coworkers that they should switch platforms when Asp.Net developers make on average 15% more than php developers.  Of course the php average is being heavily influenced by the mom and pop 5 page brochure website types, where the C# Asp.Net guys are almost entirely enterprise devs now.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on February 02, 2014, 05:36:28 PM
I know one of those guys, but he went immediately from his doctorate in computer science (C#/ASP.NET focus) into being a ghost hunter.

So.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 03, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
As far as I can tell the only advantage is that it is pretty much impossible to hide your secret sauce (or bad code) when you use a scripting language and this is the true reason enterprise software providers insist on using Java and C# for web projects.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on February 03, 2014, 12:36:51 AM
wat?

Byte code decompilers will trivially reveal the all the secret sauce of programs written in byte code languages including Java and C#.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 03, 2014, 03:18:21 AM
wat?
Byte code decompilers will trivially reveal the all the secret sauce of programs written in byte code languages including Java and C#.

I honestly don't think they think that way.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on February 03, 2014, 03:18:42 AM
I know one of those guys, but he went immediately from his doctorate in computer science (C#/ASP.NET focus) into being a ghost hunter.

So.

Good ole Egon.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on February 12, 2014, 11:40:19 AM
Layoffs coming.  Again.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on February 12, 2014, 12:11:53 PM
Duck, motherfucker.  :cry:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on February 12, 2014, 12:14:13 PM
"Hey, you've got a great skillset, do good work here, and you'd be really good in another area.  But we're lazy, so we're just going to fire the lot of you."  Pretty sure that's how it's going to go down.  Maybe with a side order of "hey, we're going to have this group of Chinese guys come in, mind telling them how to do your job?"

edit:

I actually expect to survive this, but anything is possible.  The cuts preceding this across other geos does not indicate that they are killing our area.. yet.  But the threat of moving everything to China is still very much there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 12, 2014, 01:27:59 PM
The management of the ratio of onshore to offshore resources is a high priority for IT businesses.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on February 13, 2014, 02:35:38 PM
Maybe with a side order of "hey, we're going to have this group of Chinese guys come in, mind telling them how to do your job?"

That is nicer than, hey we are going to lay everyone off, if you want severance you need to go to China for 3 months first and train your replacement.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on February 13, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
You could always move to China and be "that American white guy" that the company can use to claim your product is American.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 14, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
What if you're an American Asian?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on February 27, 2014, 11:40:44 AM
Survived.  Again.   Team is going to be smaller, however.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on February 27, 2014, 11:41:17 AM
Survived.  Again.   Team is going to be smaller, however.

Great news.  Hang in there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on February 27, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
Congrats on surviving, Rasix.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on March 25, 2014, 07:53:17 PM
So, since my last post in this thread quite a few wtf worthy things have happened, including me having to fight the company lawyer off from trying to dock one of my team member's pay when they resigned (long story I don't feel like going into on a public forum).  Luckily I was successful and he got everything that was owed to him.  That pretty much pushed me over the edge.

Fast forward to today, I have two job offers with startups here (several other interviews in progress but going to decline them).  I took the more established and fully funded one which looks like a very very good opportunity, with a really good set of fellow software developers from meeting them (with a very silicon valley type of culture).  It's going to be really fun working with engineers that are smarter than me and the software I'll be working on will give me a lot of very interesting problems to solve.  Also, the pay raise (both direct and indirect via benefits and travel) is quite nice as well.

Called the CTO (my boss) to give notice.  I feel bad for the two team members I had remaining since with me gone they no longer have a manager in our office and might cut their losses and rebuild at the home office, but I've given them pretty strong hints that they should be looking for a new job for a while (even before I was).  It looks like they will get a good deal and not kicked to the curb so that's good.  I know they have been looking, no idea how seriously though.

With the job move I'm no longer going down the manager route I was going and I'm back to straight on engineer, and I'm not really sad.  If my current company was a good environment I had a very good shot at getting mentored and working my way up to director then in the long run CTO, but not worth it with the rest of the drama going on.    Also, I enjoyed the managing of tech much more than people anyways, and I'm not sure how I'd like to manage a group of developers that I don't trust or don't trust me anyway.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on March 26, 2014, 09:33:06 AM
Sounds like you've made a good choice for the future, KallDrexx.  Sometimes, you just have to cut your losses and move on to something better.

The husband had a good job interview yesterday for a bank close by home.  He found out about the position from a friend/former co-worker who is currently working at this bank.  She's given her notice (medical reasons) but is still there to give him a good word.  Applied on Thursday, had a phone interview on Monday morning, did the personality assessments that afternoon and had an in-person yesterday afternoon.  They're moving quick but still gave him the standard boilerplate "we still have some other interviews to conduct, so don't be surprised if this takes a few weeks, blahblahblah."  Still, he's optimistic.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: NiX on April 02, 2014, 05:43:57 PM
Very obscure question, but has anyone had any experience with someone moving from HR Systems to another field?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 03, 2014, 02:04:38 AM
Meant to post this earlier, but got distracted.  Applications for Information Management Specialist’s (or IMS, the job I do) are being accepted for another week, till April 9th.  This usually only happens about once a year, so apply immediately if you are interested.

http://careers.state.gov/specialist/vacancy-announcements/ims

Cannot stress more how awesome this job is (at least, if you like traveling and seeing the world).  Pay is good, benefits are great.  Ask me any questions you may have.

There is another technical position people here may be interested in.  IMTS's are basically specialists in Digital, Telephone, or Radio.  As an IMS, I've been given training in all of those, but the IMS's role is to stay out at embassies and run/maintain the computer networks, radio program, telephone switches, ect.  If something breaks very badly, or we are getting a major upgrade, they send us an IMTS.  IMTS's are stationed at only a few regional hubs around the world, but constantly get sent on one to two week trips out to various embassies to do the sort work I just mentioned.  So they get to travel and see the world even more, but only have a few options globally to be stationed at (Frankfurt, Bangkok, Ft. Lauderdale are the major hubs, with a few other positions scattered around).  I'm sure they'll probably open up IMTS for applications within a month or two.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 03, 2014, 08:16:23 AM
Oh man.  If I weren't happy with my parent's old river house a posting like that in Frankfurt or Bangkok would be awesome.  Except the whole dealing with strangers thing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Phildo on April 03, 2014, 08:29:15 AM
I applied for that position a few years ago with basically 0 qualifications.  They might actually look at my resume this time around!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on April 07, 2014, 07:27:46 AM
You never know, give it a try.
Oh man.  If I weren't happy with my parent's old river house a posting like that in Frankfurt or Bangkok would be awesome.  Except the whole dealing with strangers thing.
To be fair, most IMTS's don't seem to be the sort of people who like dealing with strangers, or other people in general.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 07, 2014, 08:00:58 PM
I guess it's good, then, that you mostly get to sit in caves all day. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 15, 2014, 04:25:36 PM
Apparently I was passed over in yet another culling.  As the poster for New Guy, I'm pretty happy about that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Thrawn on April 15, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
This could be fun, I'm going to be applying for a position very similar to what I do now.  I was given a heads up for it by the person who was in it previously and the person who works with him because they both know me and know it's a much closer to home job to me.

The fun catch I noticed is that the posting is for something a bit different than the job I was told.  I asked the guy about it and he pretty much replies "Yeah, that's not accurate, management butchered the posting, you wouldn't actually be doing hardly any of X and mostly just doing what you're doing now."  So I have little experience in what the supposedly bad posting is looking for, but lots of experience with what I'm told the job actually is.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on April 15, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
TIL they gave our resource action a name.  "Apollo".   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 15, 2014, 05:00:08 PM
"Yeah, that's not accurate, management butchered the posting,

My very limited exposure to job postings from the poster side has shown that this happens with frightening regularity.  Although management blames HR.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on April 16, 2014, 04:24:06 PM
Although management blames HR.

Yes. They can't make job descriptions to save their life. Even if you give them the whole thing, it somehow gets posted with incorrect information!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 17, 2014, 11:06:53 AM
Based on my own experience, yes.  I'm still not sure how they managed to mangle the requirements so badly.  The lesson learned here is to always discuss the real requirements in the interview.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on April 23, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
I had a job interview today.  By the time I made it back down to the parking lot, they had already called me to schedule a second interview.  I'm taking that as a good sign.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on April 23, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
I had a job interview today.  By the time I made it back down to the parking lot, they had already called me to schedule a second interview.  I'm taking that as a good sign.
Good luck!

The husband has an in-person interview on Friday but he's leery about the bank.  The recruiter he did the phone screen with must have talked so fast and  over him that he had to ask her to repeat things a few times, plus she said one of the reasons they want to meet with him is that newBank really likes his experience is from oldBank and they want to pattern themselves like that.  Except he absolutely hated what oldBank was doing, thinks it's a terrible path to take, and does nothing but cause stress for the employees.  Things like counting widgets as a metric (e.g. number of checking accounts opened versus the value of accounts opened) or running with an absolute barebones staffing model (e.g. two tellers, a personal banker and a manager in total.. that's some tight staffing which has no flex).

I'm to the point where any job is worth accepting if only to get back into the workforce, plus it's easier to find a job when you have one. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 23, 2014, 03:03:25 PM
Wife got a job with Humana dealing with corporate accounts.  First job ever over 30k a year.

Thanks, Obamacare.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 23, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Wife got a job with Humana dealing with corporate accounts.  First job ever over 30k a year.

Thanks, Obamacare.
Don't worry, the work she's doing will likely amount to tens of millions for the executives there.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Phildo on April 23, 2014, 04:19:14 PM
Just as God intended.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on April 23, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
Wife got a job with Humana dealing with corporate accounts.  First job ever over 30k a year.

Thanks, Obamacare.
Don't worry, the work she's doing will likely amount to tens of millions for the executives there.

Well, yeah, they created the job.  That's how it works, right ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 23, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
Basically. She's free to turn it down if it's not worth it to her. That's how it works.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 23, 2014, 08:05:12 PM
You all misunderstand. She's never made over 30k, I am happy.

Nutballs.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 23, 2014, 10:06:02 PM
You all misunderstand. She's never made over 30k, I am happy.

Nutballs.  :oh_i_see:

No we got that, Schild was just being a jerk.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 24, 2014, 12:45:58 AM
Me? Never. Well, at least not in this case. Id say insurance companies in the US are always fair game to shit upon.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on April 25, 2014, 09:01:20 AM
Had my second interview today, two days after the first interview.  Went quite well with the test scores and all that, so now they are asking to contact a couple of references.  THIS IS ALL HAPPENING TOO FAST DAMMIT.

Kidding, sort of.  But really, in this day and age...why do we even do the reference thing?  Is it even thinkable that somebody would fail to find two people, real or imagined, to say only positive things about you?  I just seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Mithas on April 25, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
I think the same thing about references. My wife works for government, so a lot of formal paperwork. Her last job asked for 3 references, one of which could be a spouse. So how does an employer think they are going to get an unbiased opinion from a spouse?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Margalis on April 26, 2014, 04:19:26 AM
Kidding, sort of.  But really, in this day and age...why do we even do the reference thing?  Is it even thinkable that somebody would fail to find two people, real or imagined, to say only positive things about you?  I just seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.

I always check references. In my experience everyone can find two people to vouch for them, but if you pay attention and read between the lines you can learn a lot from what those people say. A lot of times they will give you subtle warnings if your radar is tuned correctly.

Maybe this varies widely based on profession. In programming at least I find that references have an understanding that it's a professional courtesy to be honest. Nobody is going to come out and say "this guy sucks" but they may give muted instead of wholehearted praise.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on April 26, 2014, 10:18:26 AM
Yeah.  Apparently putting me down as a reference cost someone a job.  Make sure they WILL lie for you!!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on April 26, 2014, 10:45:04 AM
Somehow that doesn't surprise me  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 26, 2014, 01:15:46 PM
Yeah.  Apparently putting me down as a reference cost someone a job.  Make sure they WILL lie for you!!

surprising how often this happens.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 26, 2014, 07:20:44 PM
Hypothetically, if I was a reference for someone I disliked, what can I legally say to the HR/Recruiter that calls asking about them?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 26, 2014, 07:38:22 PM
Hypothetically, if I was a reference for someone I disliked, what can I legally say to the HR/Recruiter that calls asking about them?

Legally in the U.S. the only thing you can say negative is "Would not rehire".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on April 26, 2014, 07:48:27 PM
Hypothetically, if I was a reference for someone I disliked, what can I legally say to the HR/Recruiter that calls asking about them?

Legally in the U.S. the only thing you can say negative is "Would not rehire".

I think he was being listed as a character reference, not a former boss.

Though, even as a boss the 'would not rehire' or only confirming dates of employment is because companies are all about minimizing risk. "Not worth the legal fees of a defamation trial" in other words. If you can back it up, you're fully able to be honest if your company allows you to.  There's no law that says you can't.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on April 26, 2014, 07:52:03 PM
Nuetral and professional.  Red flags will fire up immediately.



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 26, 2014, 07:58:14 PM
I don't believe your average HR person is capable of discerning what neutral and professional means. Speaking of jobs, I just had maybe the worst interview I've ever had. I'm not gonna post specifics but goddamn, I'm still tilted by it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 26, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
Worst on their end, or worst on your end?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on April 26, 2014, 11:01:22 PM
My problem with references is I had 4.  One retired and moved away I no longer have his contact info.  Another died.  So I only have 2 references.  I just put the 2 down last time I applied for a job and no one seemed to care (got the job).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 26, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Worst on their end, or worst on your end?

Both ends. I'll PM you why.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ezrast on April 27, 2014, 07:18:54 AM
Hypothetically, if I was a reference for someone I disliked, what can I legally say to the HR/Recruiter that calls asking about them?
If they specifically put you down as a reference, I think "no comment" would say all that needs to be said.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 28, 2014, 08:08:55 AM
I wasn't given as a reference, but a recruiter knew I worked with someone and asked about him.  I gave my honest opinion, in detail, of why that guy was not a good pick for anything in the IT field.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 28, 2014, 12:09:19 PM
So, I've decided to start checking either the "multiracial," "white," or "wish not to answer" boxes on my job applications.  'Equal Opportunity' citings are starting to look like ruses to me.  I've been looked past a few jobs I obviously should've gotten and my recruiter has flatly told me not to put my picture on my resume.  Thoughts?  Help or hurt?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on April 28, 2014, 12:17:33 PM
So, I've decided to start checking either the "multiracial," "white," or "wish not to answer" boxes on my job applications.  'Equal Opportunity' citings are starting to look like ruses to me.  I've been looked past a few jobs I obviously should've gotten and my recruiter has flatly told me not to put my picture on my resume.  Thoughts?  Help or hurt?

I don't see any benefit to putting a picture on a resume, but I'm not in corporate America.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 28, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
I'd not hire someone of any color that put their picture on a resume.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 28, 2014, 12:25:22 PM
Picture on a resume?

If you aren't doing acting or modeling there should be absolutely zero reason to ever even think that submitting a picture is something expected with a resume.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 28, 2014, 12:40:43 PM
In hospitality it's pretty much a given you have to have your pic on your resume.  Of course, I'm getting out of hospitality (and into tech) so maybe I should take it off.  Kind of a moot point though because every recruiter ends up on my linkedin page regardless, which also has my picture.   :oh_i_see:

You guys didn't answer my real question though, which was the one about which racial box to check.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on April 28, 2014, 12:57:02 PM
If you're not required to answer, don't answer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 28, 2014, 02:36:32 PM
lol a picture on a resume?

is this a joke thread now?

edit: Oh, hospitality. Yea, that's only so front-facing departments can hire attractive chicks. Don't put your fucking picture on a resume.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on April 28, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
In hospitality it's pretty much a given you have to have your pic on your resume.  Of course, I'm getting out of hospitality (and into tech) so maybe I should take it off.  Kind of a moot point though because every recruiter ends up on my linkedin page regardless, which also has my picture.   :oh_i_see:

You guys didn't answer my real question though, which was the one about which racial box to check.
There's definitely a racial bias in hiring based on name. If you name sounds "black" you are less likely to get a job. For pictures it's less clear. Less attractive people are less likely to get a job compared to more attractive people but the studies I've seen have intentionally tried to remove any racial bias for those but it's probably safe to say that if you are an unattractive black male with a black sounding name you are screwed.

As for what to fill in the box if you are applying to schools* or applying for a government contract (like as a small business owner) check as many that apply :awesome_for_real: For a job, though, leave it blank.

Edit: *Unless you are Asian in which case you should leave it blank



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 28, 2014, 02:45:24 PM
if you are an unattractive black male with a black sounding name you are screwed.

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=6259;type=avatar)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on April 28, 2014, 02:46:51 PM
Unless you are trying out for a team in a black-dominated sport, in which case it's fine.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on April 28, 2014, 02:49:56 PM
Unless you are trying out for a team in a black-dominated sport, in which case it's fine.

(http://i.imgur.com/0K1hBpG.jpg)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 28, 2014, 06:54:07 PM
I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 28, 2014, 10:10:52 PM
Unless you are trying out for a team in a black-dominated sport, in which case it's fine.


 :rimshot:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 29, 2014, 08:44:14 AM
Will your face get you hired?  This answer will inform whether to include a photo with your application.

I suppose that - strictly speaking - you'd want to know if your face will add value to the position that you are attempting to get.

As for ethnic boxes, that's something that I've wondered about as well because as far as I know these things aren't tracked in many cases.  I even asked Nix and have forgotten the answer, so it must have been uninformative.  I'd leave them unchecked unless I knew I would have a better chance by checking one or more of them.  This is the same principle which informs many people to leave off the picture.

Your name is likely to give you away in any case.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on April 29, 2014, 09:06:06 AM
I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.

I've been involved in the hiring processes for three European companies over the past couple of years and it's actually very common in Europe to include both. So common that not including a photo and indication of country-of-origin is considered unusual. Along with damn near every other detail of your life - I once sifted a CV for a guy nearing his forties which had everything he'd ever done, all the way down to flipping burgers when he was fifteen and the sports clubs he participated in during middle school.

I can't entirely say I understand or appreciate the ultradetailed CVs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bungee on April 29, 2014, 10:10:19 AM
I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.

I've been involved in the hiring processes for three European companies over the past couple of years and it's actually very common in Europe to include both. So common that not including a photo and indication of country-of-origin is considered unusual. Along with damn near every other detail of your life - I once sifted a CV for a guy nearing his forties which had everything he'd ever done, all the way down to flipping burgers when he was fifteen and the sports clubs he participated in during middle school.

I can't entirely say I understand or appreciate the ultradetailed CVs.

We're taught to do that in Highschool and although I never took one also recruiting courses in university (some are more international though I'm sure). Some people still even give the education and current job of their parents- at least until they turn 30. I remember somebody urging us to put a "Hobbies" category into our CVs. Because what we do when we don't work is "what really defines personality".  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 29, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
I know it is probably different outside of the U.S. but I am still a firm believer in the 1-page resume. I usually put the more descriptive filler information targeted towards the particular job in my cover letter (which I also keep to 1 page.) Unless it is for a job that requires a full Curriculum Vitae like an academic job, few people reviewing resumes ever see half of even what is on the first page and extra pages they may not even look at.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 29, 2014, 12:50:57 PM
Maybe including the photo allows a shortcut around reading a nine-page CV.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on April 29, 2014, 10:18:28 PM
I myself prefer the one page resume - rarely do people have enough items of significance to require more than that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on April 30, 2014, 02:10:13 AM
I myself prefer the one page resume - rarely do people have enough items of significance to require more than that.

Pretty much this. I can see going to two pages by the time you have ten+ years of experience or a shitton of completed projects, but even when I get the novel-style CV, I've usually made a go/no-go decision by the end of page one.

The rest just makes for amusing bar talk, when some mild-mannered-looking guy has 18 months of "Male Escort" experience buried in the middle pages.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on April 30, 2014, 06:04:55 AM
I think it depends a ton on what that experience is, and whether or not it is relevant to what you are seeking.  Mine is a 2 and-a-half pager right now, but without going into details, it makes sense for the kind of background I have and the jobs I am looking for.  If you have a bunch of Male Escort and Burger Flipper on your CV and are applying for a lower level office position, then yeah, leave it off. 

Turns out that I am going to get an offer from the beer company I interviewed for.  They moved so fast that my head is spinning.  Should have a draft contract in my hand within a day or so.  Exciting!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on April 30, 2014, 07:57:54 AM
You are going to be pouring draft beer?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on April 30, 2014, 08:11:53 AM
Heh.  Yeah, I'll be schlepping ice cold beer at the local football stadium.  That's why my CV is so long, because it is just one long drunken ramble.

Actually, its Carlsberg, which not surprisingly has its HQ here in Denmark.





Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on April 30, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
if you are an unattractive black male with a black sounding name you are screwed.

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=6259;type=avatar)

I'm an attractive bi-racial male with a very Scottish sounding name.  So I guess I'll embrace my inner whiteness more to get hired.   I did do an experiment and check the multi-race box and the "wish to not answer" box in my last application, and I have an interview tomorrow.  All the others, when I checked "black" I did not get a callback.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Maven on April 30, 2014, 11:58:21 PM
I was speed through the hiring process at my casino job because I was white and spoke good English in a predominantly broken-English & Asian employee base. While my bosses didn't explicitly state this, dealing school trainer, co-workers and customers all point this out matter-of-factly, no politically correct obfuscation. I knew my minority status would be an attractive hiring asset.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 01, 2014, 09:04:33 AM

with a very Scottish sounding name. 


Colin McFuckye ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
I remember somebody urging us to put a "Hobbies" category into our CVs. Because what we do when we don't work is "what really defines personality".  :uhrr:
Depends on the hobby, but it does show a skillset you are naturally inclined to that may not be obvious from pure work data. Improvising with a team is probably my strongest skill, and there is some of that in my work history, but being a musician shows that it's not just something I do at work, it's a natural skill for me.

After a long weekend in DFW, it's kind of depressing returning to the rust belt of poverty.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 01, 2014, 09:33:11 AM

with a very Scottish sounding name. 


Colin McFuckye ?


 :roffle:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 02, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
An idle question - how is the job market in NC?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 02, 2014, 12:04:36 PM
An idle question - how is the job market in NC?

In what field?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 02, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
IT, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 02, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
I see things like THIS (https://www.unpakt.com/blog/booming-job-market-in-charlotte-nc/) about NC often.  Research trianlge as well (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill-Carey) is also an employment hotbed. 

I'm jealous.  I'd move back to NC in a heartbeat if I had the chance.  I loved my time in Chapel Hill.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 02, 2014, 02:06:57 PM
There's a noticeable IT industry in NC, but I don't know offhand how it is doing.  That's where those Red Hat assholes are.

As for Charlotte, I like it better than Atlanta in many ways.  They seem to have working mass transit, for one thing.  Atlanta has a better sex trade, though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on May 04, 2014, 02:42:13 PM
I've seen a lot of Europeans put pictures on their resumes, which has always baffled me - they also, unprompted, sometimes indicate ethnicity. Again, baffling.
I know I'm late (Was on vacation), but yes.  Everybody in Poland puts a picture on their resume.  It does seem weird as hell as an American, but yeah..... just one of those things that happens outside the US.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 04, 2014, 02:58:05 PM
Next time I submit a resume I'm gonna put attach a headshot of Nick Cage or Ernie Hudson or something and just not give any reason at all for it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 05, 2014, 07:59:19 AM
Ernie Hudson, if you want the job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 05, 2014, 08:39:58 AM
Just go with Fudge.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 05, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
I signed a contract today, so I've rejoined the ranks of the employed.  I will kind of miss being unemployed, it was fabulous.  

Superfastninjaedit:  not to make light of unemployment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 05, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
Unemployment does have a small number of pros, but the cons are pretty bad.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 05, 2014, 01:54:17 PM
It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

I was more thinking about the "doing whatever the shit I wanted" part of it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on May 05, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

Where can I get me one of those?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on May 05, 2014, 03:25:14 PM
It helps that I had one of those unemployments where I continued to be well paid.

Where can I get me one of those?  :why_so_serious:

From one of those jobs wherein you work directly for a richfuck who feels bad after you get laid off, since he shorted your salary all the many years you worked for him anyways.  In the end, he's still way ahead even if he gives you a year's severance, and comes out looking/feeling like a saint.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Surlyboi on May 07, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
I've got a very white sounding last name and one of the whitest resumes you'll ever see. (Ivy League, NHL, Investment Bank, PE Firm, Apple) yeah, I'm a fuckton of a surprise after phone interviews.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 08, 2014, 01:37:52 AM
I've always thought your posts come across as very white, too.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 08, 2014, 05:21:09 AM
 :headscratch:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 08, 2014, 05:44:36 AM
Was the sarcasm not obvious enough?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 08, 2014, 08:15:33 AM
It wasn't, I think.  Although I think it's funny that there's a "white" resume.  Maybe I've never seen a "black" resume.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 08, 2014, 08:42:04 AM
It wasn't, I think.  Although I think it's funny that there's a "white" resume.  Maybe I've never seen a "black" resume.

We live in Atlanta. The first key would be one of the historically black colleges.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 08, 2014, 09:10:43 AM
I've always thought your posts come across as very white, too.
Apple.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on May 08, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
I've got a very white sounding last name and one of the whitest resumes you'll ever see. (Ivy League, NHL, Investment Bank, PE Firm, Apple) yeah, I'm a fuckton of a surprise after phone interviews.  :awesome_for_real:

I assume these phone interviews are ones you're giving and not receiving?    :grin:
I've been on both sides of the desk myself and it's a lot funner being on the boss side of it.  There is a perverse pleasure had in watching potential employees squirm when they see who they may be working for, and an intense sadness the other way around.  Even if the moment is fleeting (until you prove your worth), it's still there.

The last guy I worked for (Ivy League black american richfuck) actually used it as entertainment.  He'd turn around to me when they weren't looking and make a face, or talk shit when they went to the bathroom.  He had the uncanny ability to turn his color to his advantage in negotiations; because w/o fail any vendors/clients/etc. he dealt with would always talk down to him in some way, shape, or form... even if they were meeting on his superyacht.   



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on May 08, 2014, 10:27:14 AM
*sigh*  Second time in the past month or so that the husband's gotten all the way to the third set of interviews and not gotten the job.  The first place ended up not picking anyone for the position at this time and the second one they went with an internal candidate who suddenly expressed interest in the position.  WTF? By the time you've gone to external candidates, you should have already been through any possible internal ones. He did get some feedback from the second place about how he interviewed (really well) and about some BS question he was asked in the third by the president of the bank.  Question was "how many ping-pong balls does it take to fill a 747?"  He said he didn't know but would do X and Y to figure it out.  I guess that was the wrong answer.  The right answer was "I'll assemble my team and have A look up X and B review Y and C/D can do Z."  Which is BS, but whatever.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 08, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
It wasn't, I think.  Although I think it's funny that there's a "white" resume.  Maybe I've never seen a "black" resume.

We live in Atlanta. The first key would be one of the historically black colleges.

In seriousness, this is pretty much all I could come up with.  Although I first thought of Skeegee and ASU, since I'm from Bama.

I've worked for two black bosses and they were the best ones I've had, by far.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 08, 2014, 10:47:18 AM
The number of black accountants in the Georgia Society of CPAs is shockingly low, considering the population.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 08, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
Question was "how many ping-pong balls does it take to fill a 747?" 

With or without packaging? The cargo hold, the entire plane, or what?

Though I think my real answer would be, "I don't know, but that'd sure be a huge waste of time if we actually tried to figure it out."

Fuck, who asks this stuff? Maybe I'm doing it wrong by asking real, actually pertinent questions when I am doing hiring.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Abagadro on May 08, 2014, 11:15:59 PM
Question was "how many ping-pong balls does it take to fill a 747?"  He said he didn't know but would do X and Y to figure it out.  I guess that was the wrong answer.  The right answer was "I'll assemble my team and have A look up X and B review Y and C/D can do Z."  Which is BS, but whatever.

I would never want to work for someone that was that big of a jackass.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yoru on May 09, 2014, 05:42:45 AM
Fuck, who asks this stuff? Maybe I'm doing it wrong by asking real, actually pertinent questions when I am doing hiring.

Google became famous for asking that sort of question in the early 2000s and it became a (shitty) trend in tech-industry hiring thereafter.

The ostensible point is to force the interviewee out of their comfort zone and see how they reason about an abstract problem, one which they cannot possibly resolve due to insufficient information. Basically, a proxy for seeing how they'd approach a difficult software problem. The interviewee is expected to break the problem down in a creative way, identify the unknowns, identify the work that can be done prior to resolving the unknowns, come up with a way for estimating the general amount of work to be done to nail down the unknowns, and ask questions to refine the problem space (i.e. tightening the "requirements" of the problem).

Google, FWIW, admitted that it was bullshit, ended up revealing very little about candidates, and stopped the practice a few years ago.

TL;DR: You're not wrong.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 09, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
They don't pull that bullshit in accounting job hires. They ask you like-kind exchange questions instead.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 09, 2014, 09:12:14 AM
The interviews I went through used different personality and other verbal/numerical reasoning tests.  Is that not also common in the US these days?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on May 09, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
The interviews I went through used different personality and other verbal/numerical reasoning tests.  Is that not also common in the US these days?
He's done assorted personality assessment stuff as well for interviews.  For what it's worth, he's interviewing for bank branch manager positions, so what the stupid ping-pong 747 question had to do with anything, IDK.  And he figures he didn't want to work for anyone who asks questions like that after all.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 09, 2014, 10:23:41 AM
The problem was not that he wasn't creative, but that his answer indicated he'd be the one doing the work.  He's being asked to be a manager, not a peon, and has people to do that stuff for him.  An experienced manager would have instinctively gone to the "my team would do this" rather than "I would do this" answer.

It's a subtle difference, but a very important one. We have this problem here at work a lot with people who just can't let go of doing the day to day. They're project managers and their work suffers because they can't give up enough control to their team. They try and do everything themselves and as a result nothing gets done and the clients get pissed off.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 09, 2014, 10:43:24 AM
I read a joke years ago that involved a test for Army officers being asked how they would go about erecting a twenty-foot flag pole in a camp on rocky soil, or some such.  The correct answer was: "Private, put up that flag pole!"


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on May 09, 2014, 10:45:21 AM
All my faux biz plans have voight kampff tests for finding potential employees.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 09, 2014, 10:46:45 AM
I wouldn't work for you with a ten foot pole. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Salamok on May 09, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
Question was "how many ping-pong balls does it take to fill a 747?"  He said he didn't know but would do X and Y to figure it out.  I guess that was the wrong answer.  The right answer was "I'll assemble my team and have A look up X and B review Y and C/D can do Z."  Which is BS, but whatever.

I would never want to work for someone that was that big of a jackass.

I think the only real option when asked such a question is to very quickly answer that it is obviously 834,292, followed up by "and now what are you going to do to prove I am wrong?"

edit - Or if you want to be less dickish "Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I believe the answer is  834,292." but most of the BS trick interview questions I have seen are phrased around how you would go about solving the problem and not what the actual answer might be.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: ezrast on May 09, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
Bullshit from management is getting unbearable. I went to update my resume but it's full of frivolous collegey crap from before I had a real job. It's kind of shocking how awful it looks to me now. It'll be nice to have it all updated but it's going to take some... creativity to stretch my actual professional experience enough to replace all that dreck.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 09, 2014, 11:13:30 AM
Bullshit from management is getting unbearable. I went to update my resume but it's full of frivolous collegey crap from before I had a real job. It's kind of shocking how awful it looks to me now. It'll be nice to have it all updated but it's going to take some... creativity to stretch my actual professional experience enough to replace all that dreck.
Just fill it with lies. If you can do the job you're applying for, then the lies don't matter.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on May 09, 2014, 11:25:17 AM
The problem was not that he wasn't creative, but that his answer indicated he'd be the one doing the work.  He's being asked to be a manager, not a peon, and has people to do that stuff for him.  An experienced manager would have instinctively gone to the "my team would do this" rather than "I would do this" answer.

It's a subtle difference, but a very important one. We have this problem here at work a lot with people who just can't let go of doing the day to day. They're project managers and their work suffers because they can't give up enough control to their team. They try and do everything themselves and as a result nothing gets done and the clients get pissed off.
I'd say 15+ years as a manager is experienced enough.  Branch managers don't necessarily work the same as a PM though, where you're expected to work as part of the team while overseeing things.  And it's still a BS question, IMO, because you're being asked how you would do something, not how you'd assemble your team to do something.  Not everything has to be a freaking team exercise all the time and looking up how many ping-pong balls fit into a 747 (which can have multiple answers apparently) doesn't have to be a team exercise.  Talk about complicating the simple, which is what most managers do anyhow.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on May 09, 2014, 11:52:27 AM
Fuck, who asks this stuff? Maybe I'm doing it wrong by asking real, actually pertinent questions when I am doing hiring.
Google became famous for asking that sort of question in the early 2000s and it became a (shitty) trend in tech-industry hiring thereafter.
Microsoft was the one that popularized these kinds of brain teaser questions among tech companies. "Why are manhole covers round?" was one of their most famous ones.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 09, 2014, 11:56:54 AM
Hmm...because then one man can move it around by himself?  By rolling it?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 09, 2014, 12:06:40 PM
So it doesn't fall in the hole.  Squares and rectangles will because A & B < C.

Not everything has to be a freaking team exercise all the time and looking up how many ping-pong balls fit into a 747 (which can have multiple answers apparently) doesn't have to be a team exercise.  Talk about complicating the simple, which is what most managers do anyhow.

If your manager is busy you look bad because you hired a guy who can't keep his people in line and on-task. If peons are busy while the manager sits on their ass you look like you hired a competent guy who knows how to delegate and hire competently.

Yes, it's all about complicating the simple and the politics of rising through management. It's why my BIL, a VP, goes home at 4:30 with a 'give me a call if there's a problem' while his staff works until 5:30 or later.

Yes, business is fucked up like that. C'est la vie.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 09, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
That's just being a good manager.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3575214576/544f70c9d4acb47ec4e54658a9469639.png)


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 09, 2014, 12:41:04 PM
I would have just said pipes are round and moved on with my life.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 09, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
But I like pictures.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Selby on May 09, 2014, 05:00:29 PM
If your manager is busy you look bad because you hired a guy who can't keep his people in line and on-task. If peons are busy while the manager sits on their ass you look like you hired a competent guy who knows how to delegate and hire competently.
This was my last job.  I was hired to be an engineer, but after a year they ended up putting me in charge of a group of people and a system that was unreliable on good days.  Within 6 months the system was considerably more reliable and I was directing the techs what to do in person and over the phone, rarely having to go out in the field and do it myself.  Everyone said I was the busiest person there and got the most done, most of it was managing people and prioritizing repairs.  No brainer low level management stuff.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on May 09, 2014, 09:02:53 PM
I wouldn't work for you with a ten foot pole. :why_so_serious:

I'm only an arsehole on the internets.   :grin:
Actually, one of my former crew just took me to lunch.  Never burned a bridge that didn't deserve to be burned, 'n stuff.

Also, never understood why people go all scorched-earth when they get laid-off, fired, or quit.  That's just not wise unless it's truly deserving.  I've had post-job dealings with just about everyone I've dealt with since the beginning; it helps tremendously especially when changing careers. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 20, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
Got offered a new job today. Is a pseudo-university job, working for the Foundation that handles all the incoming donations and the endowment for the University.

Was expecting a modest raise if I got an offer, but they offered me more than 20% over what I currently make. And due to it being affiliated but not a part of the university system, I will have to cash out about 7 weeks of sick/vacation time.

I will have to wear a tie every day, so that kinda sucks. But I am sure I can live with spiffing up my wardrobe a bit.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 20, 2014, 08:14:12 PM
I will gobble knob before I ever wear a tie for work every day again. It's 2014. Fuck that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 20, 2014, 09:33:54 PM
Got offered a new job today. Is a pseudo-university job, working for the Foundation that handles all the incoming donations and the endowment for the University.

Was expecting a modest raise if I got an offer, but they offered me more than 20% over what I currently make. And due to it being affiliated but not a part of the university system, I will have to cash out about 7 weeks of sick/vacation time.

I will have to wear a tie every day, so that kinda sucks. But I am sure I can live with spiffing up my wardrobe a bit.


Congrats! Nice pay raise and pay out.

Now use some of it to slurge on yourself and get some real fitted suits and shirts and you won't even notice. No foolin.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 20, 2014, 10:03:52 PM
I will gobble knob before I ever wear a tie for work every day again. It's 2014. Fuck that.

Are you employed yet?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 20, 2014, 11:55:58 PM
I will gobble knob before I ever wear a tie for work every day again. It's 2014. Fuck that.
Are you employed yet?
I'm doing just fine, tyvm.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on May 21, 2014, 11:51:15 AM
Dressing up is cool. Wearing a tie is cool. With a jacket and vest is even cooler.

Every girl crazy 'bout it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on May 21, 2014, 12:21:29 PM
I don't even own a suit anymore.  I haven't seen anyone here wear a tie in a very long time.  Our high level VPs don't even wear them, although they'll occasionally bust out the suit and then ditch it in the wake of our hospitable weather.

Grat on the job, Chimpy. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on May 21, 2014, 02:24:39 PM
Congrats on the job, Chimpy!

I wish the husband was getting offers, but alas, no such luck.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on May 21, 2014, 02:56:13 PM
I think the last time I wore a tie, someone must have a died but I don't remember who it was or even if there was a funeral. It's been that long.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 27, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
So I told my boss first thing this morning that I had accepted a job elsewhere and he smiled and said "Congratulations!".

Totally didn't expect exuberance as I had not told him that I was even looking. But my new boss is a friend of his so maybe it was more he is happy that someone good is going to work there.

But it is official, I have less than 3 weeks until I start the job where come August I will have to wear a tie every day (they relax the rule in the summer months).


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 27, 2014, 01:05:20 PM
Ties aren't that bad.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Polysorbate80 on May 27, 2014, 01:06:33 PM
Ties aren't that bad.

You sure that tie isn't cutting off circulation to your brain?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 27, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
So I told my boss first thing this morning that I had accepted a job elsewhere and he smiled and said "Congratulations!".

That's a pretty solid signal.  Congratulations from me as well.

Ties do suck, but you'll need to aggregate the entire job experience and see if it is an overall improvement.  I mean, there are a lot of worse things than wearing a tie.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 27, 2014, 04:22:56 PM
Ties aren't that bad.

You sure that tie isn't cutting off circulation to your brain?

Nah I wouldn't want to wear it daily, but I don't mind dressing up for meetings.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: murdoc on May 27, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
Seriously though, ties aren't that bad. Dressing up every now and then won't kill you. Yeesh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 27, 2014, 05:20:27 PM
So I told my boss first thing this morning that I had accepted a job elsewhere and he smiled and said "Congratulations!".

That's a pretty solid signal.  Congratulations from me as well.

Ties do suck, but you'll need to aggregate the entire job experience and see if it is an overall improvement.  I mean, there are a lot of worse things than wearing a tie.
Disagree, ties are the devil. It's not 1950. Old white people need to stop.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on May 27, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
I'd wear a tie every day if it meant I didn't have to wear a shirt that tucks into my pants. God I hate that.

Oh wait, I don't do ether of those apart from some job interviews.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 27, 2014, 05:59:18 PM
Comes with the territory sometimes; it's really not the worst thing in the world.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on May 27, 2014, 06:00:52 PM
You're right, a Best Buy uniform is. But then you're working at Best Buy.

So, it's definitely one of the more common things that exists that IS one of the worst things in the world. That and the water in India.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 27, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
I won't really mind wearing the tie. It is not like I need to wear a suit every day (or really even at all, I am not going to be that high up the pecking order.) Chinos and a button up shirt + tie are fine.




Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on May 27, 2014, 06:36:10 PM
Comes with the territory sometimes; it's really not the worst thing in the world.
The orientation program was pure hell on me, having to wear a full suit and tie everyday (didn't help that it was in July in DC).  Not sure I could handle this job if I had to wear it every day like consular usually does, heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 27, 2014, 07:43:24 PM
I love the millennial tie hate.  I can't wait to see the first debate where someone's wearing jeans and an MMA T vs a centurion boomer in a tie. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 27, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
We are halfway to wearing togas.  Cats and dogs shopping at the Gap together!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: KallDrexx on May 28, 2014, 06:34:26 AM
I love wearing shorts, t-shirts, and sandals to work.  It helps that it's hot as fuck though


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 28, 2014, 07:11:44 AM
We are halfway to wearing togas.  Cats and dogs shopping at the Gap together!

Heh, I can see that being the next step now that being out and about in your pajamas and sleep shirt are socially accepted.  "Fuck it, I'm just going to wrap the sheet/ towel around me and hit up the wal-mart."

Which I see as being the most amusing end to the cycle of fashion history.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on May 28, 2014, 07:52:02 AM
I love the millennial tie hate.  I can't wait to see the first debate where someone's wearing jeans and an MMA T vs a centurion boomer in a tie. 
You know, you can still wear nice pants and a shirt without a tie.  There is in fact something between full suit and jeans/T-Shirt.   :awesome_for_real:

Ties are just so.....excesive (useless and needlessly uncomfortable).  Just pointless fashion accessories.  I'd maybe accept them if society also still forced everybody to wear big funny hats and wigs to work every day as well.  As it is, ties are the last thing like that left, so its an easy target.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: 01101010 on May 28, 2014, 08:26:42 AM
Just go all out and wear bolo ties.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on May 28, 2014, 08:40:53 AM
Ties have never bothered me directly. It's the actual buttoning of that top button on a dress shirt. I usually feel like I'm choking before I even pick a tie out.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 28, 2014, 08:45:22 AM
In the South now it's become fairly common to see bow ties instead of just regular ties at business occasions. Bow tie on a seersucker suit no less.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 28, 2014, 09:14:48 AM
Ties have never bothered me directly. It's the actual buttoning of that top button on a dress shirt. I usually feel like I'm choking before I even pick a tie out.

It's probably that your collar is too small. I have the same with a thicker neck than my size. Unless I'm buying a fitted shirt I have to make sure I'm buying by collar size, not shirt size. Which means non-fitted shirts look ridiculously baggy on me.

You know, you can still wear nice pants and a shirt without a tie.  There is in fact something between full suit and jeans/T-Shirt.   :awesome_for_real:

Ties are just so.....excesive (useless and needlessly uncomfortable).  Just pointless fashion accessories.  I'd maybe accept them if society also still forced everybody to wear big funny hats and wigs to work every day as well.  As it is, ties are the last thing like that left, so its an easy target.

I don't disagree. If you know the history of them you know EXACTLY how pointless they are and it'll happen that eventually they'll disappear. That doesn't change the fact is they haven't and we still have international conventions of acceptable business & formal attire that include them.

Will until we're all dead, most likely. Unless you think Businessmen and Heads of state are going to start bumming around whatever 'less formal' combo you want to insert here any time in the next 50-60 years.

Hating on them and saying "I'll never take a job where I have to wear one" is hyperbolic stance taking or pointlessly limiting your professional avenues. Which amuses me. 

Even more so when I realize it's only tech-sector people hating on it so hard.  The younger crowd in my office have embraced this "Tie Tuesday" thing and about 75% of them have taken to wearing them when they don't the rest of the week. A few have started wearing them more regularly outside of that day, because it looks sharp.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 28, 2014, 09:25:50 AM
In the South now it's become fairly common to see bow ties instead of just regular ties at business occasions. Bow tie on a seersucker suit no less.

Yea, I assume this is a fad.  Have you visited your old college campus?  I'm not sure if they are being ironic or serious.

I work from home so I often don't even wear shoes.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 28, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
It's a fad and yes they are serious.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 28, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
I wear shorts and a t-shirt when I lecture.  I enjoy the fact that my students dress better than I do.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on May 28, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
That's a pretty solid signal.  Congratulations from me as well.

Ties do suck, but you'll need to aggregate the entire job experience and see if it is an overall improvement.  I mean, there are a lot of worse things than wearing a tie.
Disagree, ties are the devil. It's not 1950. Old white people need to stop.
This. It's an accessory that serves no purpose apart from making it easier to die in accidents involving paper-shredding machines.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on May 28, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
While we're on it, somebody needs to bring capes back into style.  How many hundreds of years has it been?  I think we are ready for them to make a comeback. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on May 28, 2014, 10:52:30 AM
While we're on it, somebody needs to bring capes back into style.  How many hundreds of years has it been?  I think we are ready for them to make a comeback.  

My thoughts...



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on May 28, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
Ties have never bothered me directly. It's the actual buttoning of that top button on a dress shirt. I usually feel like I'm choking before I even pick a tie out.
It's probably that your collar is too small. I have the same with a thicker neck than my size. Unless I'm buying a fitted shirt I have to make sure I'm buying by collar size, not shirt size. Which means non-fitted shirts look ridiculously baggy on me.

I always hated the top button closed thing (and still dislike it) but I bought a bunch of fitted shirts last weekend specifically for wearing to work at the new job because the neck fit thing. Even after losing all of the weight I did, I still have the same trouble with the neck on shirts that are not fitted being too tight to wear closed that you mention.

Fitted shirts also have the advantage that they are usually made of nicer fabric than your typical casual button down shirts. And if you are like me and know which stores have the best clearance sales you can get them for less than half the price of the casual ones. I got 6 nice fitted shirts and 3 nice silk ties for a total of $105 on Saturday.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 28, 2014, 06:13:42 PM
You all know that's it's possible to unbutton that top button after fixing your ties...right?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: 01101010 on May 28, 2014, 06:21:47 PM
All a tie does is cover up the buttons. So to fix this, I am just going to start using big ass clown buttons on my button down shirts.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 28, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
This thread.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 08:35:33 AM
Yeah I'm amazed some people are employed. TIES!?!? FUCK YOU AND YOUR SOCIETY!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
When I said there are worse things about jobs than ties, I do realize that this is a subjective area.  I figure most people will choose money over mild strangulation (buy some new shirts, fatty).

It's fine, though.  If everyone had my sensibilities, I'd have a lot more competition in my job space.  It would be like if I was a pro athlete and I was complaining that the rest of the league wasn't working hard enough.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 09:14:35 AM
I think the icing on the cake was Schild saying he would rather suck dick than wear a tie.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 29, 2014, 09:23:10 AM
Yeah I'm amazed some people are employed. TIES!?!? FUCK YOU AND YOUR SOCIETY!

Is this where we say that despite hanging with them on the interwebs and recognizing many clearly have sound technical skills I wouldn't hire half the board based on inputs here? No? Ok.  :drill:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
I've come to realize by posting here that IT is completely different than any other business industry I work with. That's fine, because I think we've lowered the expectations bar for their appearance.

That being said, first guy on the chopping block when shit hits the fan is going to be the IT guy dressed in flip flops with a shitty attitude.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2014, 12:48:43 PM
It's true because I've seen it happen.  A lot.  While dress doesn't REALLY affect work directly, slop clothes are symptoms of core traits that usually also manifest in slop work as well.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on May 29, 2014, 12:57:46 PM

That being said, first guy on the chopping block when shit hits the fan is going to be the IT guy dressed in flip flops with a shitty attitude.


You don't say ?

I wore ties until I hit Director.  I haven't worn one since, even though the jobs changed.  I still find the turn this thread has taken to be odd, but hey ho.

I would be really, really, really fucking annoyed if someone was to take the idea that I didn't wear a tie to be any indication of my fucking Godlike skills, however.  I don't think many people here think like that anymore, or if they do, they're usually more worried about the decision to be buried beside the spouse or not and why the kids never call anymore and just where did the slippers go ??

You know.  Accountants.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
You can be great at your job and dress however you like. That being said, there's a pretty standard correlation between appearance and work. Fat workers tend to be less productive and cost more, sloppy dressers tend to advance slower, and some studies have shown that dressing professionally has psychological effects of boosting your attention and output.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Trippy on May 29, 2014, 01:21:10 PM
I've come to realize by posting here that IT is completely different than any other business industry I work with. That's fine, because I think we've lowered the expectations bar for their appearance.

That being said, first guy on the chopping block when shit hits the fan is going to be the IT guy dressed in flip flops with a shitty attitude.
That guy in the flip-flops with the shitty attitude is also the only person who knows how to maintain the critical infrastructure. I.e. he has job security for life :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
I don't want to get dragged into anything, but my point isn't that a tie makes you look good.  Rather I say that if you want to play ball then you have to wear the uniform.  Maybe the uniform is slacks and a polo shirt, maybe it's a tiedye tee with cheeto stains, doesn't matter.  If you aren't willing to wear the uniform, that's a indicator that you won't fit on the team.

That guy in the flip-flops with the shitty attitude is also the only person who knows how to maintain the critical infrastructure. I.e. he has job security for life :awesome_for_real:

Man, I wish that world still existed. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 01:51:00 PM
That guy in the flip-flops with the shitty attitude is also the only person who knows how to maintain the critical infrastructure. I.e. he has job security for life :awesome_for_real:

People at the top of a regular business don't understand or value that at all. In my experience, people who think they have job security because "I'm the only one who can run this!" They usually don't.

It doesn't matter if they were the only ones keeping things afloat from IT to payroll to AP to shipping. If it's an admin process, the top brass will cut you in a heartbeat, and let the chips fall where they may.

Good companies don't silo people and also don't allow people to command one aspect of the business. That's why company rotations can be so valuable.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2014, 03:24:57 PM
I assumed Trippy was being facetious.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on May 29, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
My sarcasmeter has been broken for years.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Strazos on May 29, 2014, 04:23:46 PM
Welp, to bring this back to actual job themes, I passed my Spanish exam today, so I can now move on with my life and prepare to move to Monterrey in a few weeks.

I'll be sure to say hello to all the narcos for everyone...or rather, have the entry level folks do that.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on May 29, 2014, 08:41:45 PM
I assumed Trippy was being facetious.

I didn't since I still hear it as a common utterance. But then, as Twain said, Cincinnati has always been 20 years behind.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: koro on June 03, 2014, 06:59:25 AM
We were just informed at work tonight (graveyard shift, yay) that instead of the already-shite work schedule we'd been working under all year (work five days, then work six days, except when we get scheduled on weekends we're supposed to have off, which was almost every week), we're now going to be alternating between working six days, then seven days, giving us all of two Sundays off every month, probably 'til Thanksgiving.

I desperately need to find a new job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on June 03, 2014, 08:55:14 AM
Yes, you do.  What hours ?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on June 03, 2014, 09:10:52 AM
I had to wear a tie and a school uniform when I was a little kid.  I hated it SO SO SO much.  Especially the tie.  Luckily, in third grade I got into a bit of trouble and the school and my mother had a huge argument and she was told not to enroll me again.  My family was always having fights with the church.  They apologised not long after and told her they'd take me back, but she said no.  Thankfully.  I hate nuns, too.  Sorry if some of you are nuns.

I think suits and ties are silly for men to work in, too, unless they like the look themselves.  I think people should be as comfy as possible when they work but probably not mostly naked. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Teleku on June 03, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
That being said, first guy on the chopping block when shit hits the fan is going to be the IT guy dressed in flip flops with a shitty attitude.
In my experience, its usually the sharply dressed marketing and sales people who get shitcanned first when things go sour, long before IT.   :awesome_for_real: 

Welp, to bring this back to actual job themes, I passed my Spanish exam today, so I can now move on with my life and prepare to move to Monterrey in a few weeks.

I'll be sure to say hello to all the narcos for everyone...or rather, have the entry level folks do that.
Awesome, congrats man!  You should have fun down there, narcos and all.  Also, I imagine your well and ready to get away from FSI and Oakwood life, heh.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Bunk on June 03, 2014, 10:41:01 AM
If you want to get back on track, my department is hiring for a Web Developer/Content Writer, if anyone wants to move to BC.

Not a high end job, but its a good company and you get to live in BC. Requirements include Joomla, CSS, HTML5, PHP, Java, and SQL. And Razor - whatever the hell that is.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on June 03, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
That being said, first guy on the chopping block when shit hits the fan is going to be the IT guy dressed in flip flops with a shitty attitude.
In my experience, its usually the sharply dressed marketing and sales people who get shitcanned first when things go sour, long before IT.   :awesome_for_real: 

The marketing and sales force is a revolving door at any well-run place. If they're competent and aren't leaving on their own after 3-4 years you're paying them too much or made their life far too cushy.  I'm mercenary in my dealings with companies but they make me look positively loyal.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on June 03, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
The marketing and sales force is a revolving door at any well-run place. If they're competent and aren't leaving on their own after 3-4 years you're paying them too much or made their life far too cushy.  I'm mercenary in my dealings with companies but they make me look positively loyal.

Yep they are mercs and they are paid to be mercs.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: koro on June 03, 2014, 06:01:40 PM
Yes, you do.  What hours ?

What hours do I work now? 11 PM - 7 AM, with a 30-minute commute each way.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 03, 2014, 07:51:51 PM
Better than wearing a suit every day.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: koro on June 03, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
I would rather be in a suit than working in a 90-100+ degree Fahrenheit factory floor, standing on my feet for 7.5 hours a night with my only break being a 30-minute lunch, working 6-7 days a week.

For all of $10 an hour, and a $.50/hour third shift premium that the company can't even bother paying you all of.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 03, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
I would consider that a weight loss regimen. So I could fit into a nicer suit.

Always look on the bright side of life. Doo doo. dooo doo doo doo. doo.

doo doo


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: koro on June 04, 2014, 06:34:32 AM
It's less of a weight-loss regimen and more of a "how badly can you fuck your back up by 35?" regimen.

From the amount of physically fit, active youngish men I work around who all have back pain to some degree or other, the answer is usually "pretty badly".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on June 04, 2014, 08:50:17 AM
Yes, I'm going to reiterate the information you already know.

You need a new job.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Engels on June 04, 2014, 07:07:58 PM
For my birthday, I just got a House Stark T-Shirt, a Batman T-Shirt, an 'internet box' T-Shirt (from the IT crowd skit) and an amazing Jimi Hendrix (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F58UT1M/ref=s9_simh_gw_p193_d1_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0V2MSBG0CB65PFS0GASE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846) T-Shirt. They are all going to be worn to work. Noone cares what the IT dude wears.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Abagadro on June 04, 2014, 07:12:57 PM
I've rather successfully converted my department to "no ties while hanging around the office" by basically not caring that I was one of the very few not wearing a tie all the time. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Xuri on June 04, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
In my previous job there was exactly one guy in an office of some ~200 people who wore a tie to work. Every day.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ghambit on June 04, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
Update:  soooo, I write this now from Washington, DC.   I got called up last minute for a pretty awesome Dept. of Energy paid internship.  Had to friggin scramble out of Tennessee and pack up a large chunk of my life (i.e. my bags are mostly computer gear) to be in DC the next day (last week).  Been hectic, but a fun ride.  Great energy here, as usual.

Anyways, it amps up my resume as well as my transcripts so I should be able to parlay this into some more scholarship money and yet more internships; whilst here I grow my network substantially.  I've already met quite a few people that could change a life with the snap of a finger.

PhaseIII is in August, wherein I attempt to leave the fuckstupid confines of soFla for good. (errr, at least until I'm making a good buck again)



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on June 04, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Awesome, sounds like you've landed a good gig for the summer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on June 04, 2014, 09:23:06 PM
Good luck!  Here's to lots of finger snapping in your general direction!


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 05, 2014, 12:26:13 AM
Update:  soooo, I write this now from Washington, DC.   I got called up last minute for a pretty awesome Dept. of Energy paid internship.  Had to friggin scramble out of Tennessee and pack up a large chunk of my life (i.e. my bags are mostly computer gear) to be in DC the next day (last week).  Been hectic, but a fun ride.  Great energy here, as usual.

Anyways, it amps up my resume as well as my transcripts so I should be able to parlay this into some more scholarship money and yet more internships; whilst here I grow my network substantially.  I've already met quite a few people that could change a life with the snap of a finger.

PhaseIII is in August, wherein I attempt to leave the fuckstupid confines of soFla for good. (errr, at least until I'm making a good buck again)
Message me, I know one of the most connected people when it comes to the department of energy. In fact, I rented a room in her house for 18 months.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 09, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
In my previous job there was exactly one guy in an office of some ~200 people who wore a tie to work. Every day.

I had one of these guys except he wore a kilt.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on June 09, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
Was it one of those ridiculous "utility kilts" or whatever they were called that neckbeardy IT people thought were all the rage or was it full tartan?


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 09, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
It was the full "I'm a douche that did ancestry research" kilt.  I've actually been to Scotland and the only kilts I saw were during dinner shows or right after the queen left Edinburgh Castle.

Edit to mention that I've worked with this guy at two different companies (three if you count being outsourced) and his outfit in the late 1990s was "Tom Baker's Doctor".


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on June 09, 2014, 01:02:38 PM
"I'm a douche that did the research" would also have discovered the whole clan tartan thing is bullshit dating back to ~1700 when being Scottish became fashionable again, so, yeah.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ingmar on June 09, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
That's still longer than our country has even existed, which makes it fair game for TRADITION FROM THE OLD COUNTRY.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on June 09, 2014, 01:30:50 PM
It's like you guys hate anything that isn't slacker uniform.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 09, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
"slacker uniform." lol



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on June 09, 2014, 01:34:10 PM
It's like you guys hate anything that isn't slacker uniform.

I like wearing a shirt and tie, but prefer to have the choice.  That's a great part of my job.  I can work in sweatpants one day and Armani the next.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 09, 2014, 01:39:12 PM
I am wearing this shirt and athletic shorts.

I work from home. /doingitright



Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Phildo on June 09, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
I went out yesterday in this t-shirt:

(http://i.imgur.com/5bdEfGC.jpg)

Mostly because the night before I let a bartender give me a temporary tattoo of Brooklyn Brewery's logo.  On my neck.  I looked pretty awesome.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 09, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
I don't care if someone dresses as the fourth Doctor or whatever non-standard self-expression, but I'm not really inclined to give full credence to them in Serious Situations if they are going to openly present themselves as not being Serious.  It's not impossible, but the bar is raised higher in proportion to the ridiculousness of the dress.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 09, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
I yelled at a [REDACTED, BUT YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT] executive once while wearing a Goatse shirt.

(https://dov5cor25da49.cloudfront.net/products/235/636x460design_01.jpg)

Of course, the actual shirt is brown.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Samwise on June 09, 2014, 03:29:06 PM
That is the only t-shirt I own that I have never worn to work. 

Yet.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 09, 2014, 03:46:25 PM
I don't really work in Silicon Valley despite working for HP. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on June 09, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
That is the only t-shirt I own that I have never worn to work. 

Yet.
I saved it for special occasions. Like when people I hate would be at the office. I show my disgust with a ring finger.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on June 25, 2014, 09:04:11 PM
People at work were given the option to take half days on Friday during the summer if their work for the week was done and they had put in enough hours during the week.  Everyone resoundingly said no before I could even offer an opinion (not that I was even going to).  This environment stinks and these people are bad at their jobs (or have simply agreed to do too much extracurricular shit).

edit: Of there's also the possibility that .. /it's_a_trap.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on June 25, 2014, 09:21:25 PM
People at work were given the option to take half days on Friday during the summer if their work for the week was done and they had put in enough hours during the week.  Everyone resoundingly said no before I could even offer an opinion.  This environment stinks and these people are bad at their jobs (or have simply agreed to do too much extracurricular shit).


Culture.  Constant layoffs make people twitchy.

I can't make people go home.  At all.  Even at 4 pm.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on June 25, 2014, 09:23:51 PM
Maybe I'm more secure in my value or know that in the end, it doesn't matter at all.  All of these people are numbers on a spreadsheet, whether they work 80hrs a week or not.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on June 26, 2014, 09:12:54 AM
Maybe I'm more secure in my value or know that in the end, it doesn't matter at all.  All of these people are numbers on a spreadsheet, whether they work 80hrs a week or not.

People that are good at what they do don't worry. Mostly because they know they can switch to something else if the culture gets out of whack. It's the useless peons that know they are valueless that you have to watch out for.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on June 26, 2014, 10:13:21 AM
Yep. People with low skill ceilings are some of the most petty and manipulative people I've ever encountered.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on June 26, 2014, 10:20:37 AM
Yep. People with low skill ceilings are some of the most petty and manipulative people I've ever encountered.

You've never worked in academia, have you?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on June 26, 2014, 11:12:24 AM
I fail to see how it modifies my stance.

Those who can't, teach, after all.  :drill:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Maven on July 01, 2014, 04:01:10 AM
Saying Fuck It, going to throw myself back into debt in order to go to college *for real* this time, and pursue a Business Administration / Accounting degree. Dealing at a casino has turned into a nightmare.

Pretty excited, life feels like I have a path again, excited about planning my courses and earning a degree at Santa Monica College. All my energy's oriented on this.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Reg on July 01, 2014, 04:13:04 AM
Good for you Maven. Card dealing sounds like it'd be fun but I bet it gets old.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Signe on July 01, 2014, 08:34:50 AM
If you could get a degree in being a bum, I would SO be a doctor of one.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 01, 2014, 09:24:22 AM
Saying Fuck It, going to throw myself back into debt in order to go to college *for real* this time, and pursue a Business Administration / Accounting degree. Dealing at a casino has turned into a nightmare.

Pretty excited, life feels like I have a path again, excited about planning my courses and earning a degree at Santa Monica College. All my energy's oriented on this.

As an accountant, I can tell you that if you plan on going full-bore, check your state licensing requirements for the CPA and plan your educational track accordingly. Most require an extra year and a Masters.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 01, 2014, 09:39:57 AM
If you could get a degree in being a bum, I would SO be a doctor of one.

It's called Fine Arts.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Maven on July 01, 2014, 09:59:13 AM

As an accountant, I can tell you that if you plan on going full-bore, check your state licensing requirements for the CPA and plan your educational track accordingly. Most require an extra year and a Masters.

Noted, thank you. Instead of having my head up my own ass during these things, I'm hitting up every knowledgable person and connection I can find to increase my chances and opportunities.

The most HEE-LARIOUS idea that hit me was that all this would spin into me returning to the games industry with proper credentials and business experience. I mean, look at Riot Games' job page. They're hiring entire divisions of people.

I'd have kept dealing cards, but the stress of working that environment and the obnoxious, severely degenerate customers (oh my god, the customers) has been murder on my psyche. Studying and living in Santa Monica feels like a vacation by comparison.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on July 01, 2014, 10:04:00 AM
If you could get a degree in being a bum, I would SO be a doctor of one.

It's called Fine Arts.
Shaddup, you.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 01, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
The most HEE-LARIOUS idea that hit me was that all this would spin into me returning to the games industry with proper credentials and business experience. I mean, look at Riot Games' job page. They're hiring entire divisions of people.

That would be either hilarious or tragic.  Please get a job at a real company, outside the gaming industry.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: lamaros on July 02, 2014, 08:34:00 AM
I got a new job. I spent my first day reading company policies and doing quizzes about them.

The people seem nice, though.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 02, 2014, 09:26:47 AM
I think the very last place I'd ever want to be an accountant would be a game developer.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 02, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
Unless you had loose morals. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 02, 2014, 10:33:09 AM
The people seem nice, though.

Congratulations.  The niceness of the people I work with now is still a surprise to me one year later.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Maven on July 02, 2014, 04:32:12 PM
Eldest brother recommended I go into Corporate Finance or Economics, and go to Wall Street to get a gig. I thought it was ridiculous, given my background. He thought accounting would be too boring for me. Does anyone have any opinion on this? I'm starting with a general Business Admin degree with intent to transfer to a 4 year university, which allows me to specialize after that, but I need a practical career doing practical things right now, despite my predilection for theoretical work.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cheddar on July 02, 2014, 06:35:19 PM
Eldest brother recommended I go into Corporate Finance or Economics, and go to Wall Street to get a gig. I thought it was ridiculous, given my background. He thought accounting would be too boring for me. Does anyone have any opinion on this? I'm starting with a general Business Admin degree with intent to transfer to a 4 year university, which allows me to specialize after that, but I need a practical career doing practical things right now, despite my predilection for theoretical work.

Our finance people are worshipped.  They control everything.  EVERYTHING.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: pxib on July 02, 2014, 07:33:06 PM
My middle-management level boss quit due to health issues, and I'm the heir apparent for the position. Nobody else in the department is interested and/or qualified, and the idea of somebody with no idea how the department works getting the job is slightly more terrifying than the idea of working a management position... so I'm giving it a go.

If I get it, yay... more direct control over operations, significantly better pay. Downside: Longer hours, additional responsibility, unshielded workplace politics.

If I don't get it, yay... I get to carry on doing the low-stress, low-responsibility job I love. Downside: Be the person best-qualified to train my new boss.

I have never been so meh about a serious employment decision.

Interview's next Thursday.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Viin on July 02, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
You might hate it, but it'll be a good experience for you (if you get the job). You can go back to doing 'real' work, but you'd have to find another company to do that most likely.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: shiznitz on July 03, 2014, 09:38:22 AM
Eldest brother recommended I go into Corporate Finance or Economics, and go to Wall Street to get a gig. I thought it was ridiculous, given my background. He thought accounting would be too boring for me. Does anyone have any opinion on this? I'm starting with a general Business Admin degree with intent to transfer to a 4 year university, which allows me to specialize after that, but I need a practical career doing practical things right now, despite my predilection for theoretical work.

It is a good career if you can manage it. I will warn you that the best jobs are almost impossible to get if you don't have an Ivy League degree or a good connection.  Many people who do not meet that test get in through bank operations or S&P/Moody's and then fight their way into the "real" Wall Street.  Educational pedigree and connections mean a lot, though.  I winced a bit at "with the intent to transfer to a 4 year university" since anything but a 4 year degree will make it harder for you to get a callback.  Still, Wall Street is full of successful people who came from very modest backgrounds so I am not trying to discourage you, just advise as to the challenge.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Maven on July 03, 2014, 01:54:25 PM
Challenge is good, but I have no pretension about doing enough school that I'll slide into upper class or something. I'd be happy for a good job, don't need the best.

Wall Street's culture is completely foreign to me (save what I've seen in movies). Given how terribly I got along with people at the casino, I can't see myself thriving in a competitive, high-pressure environment.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 03, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Casino's low-stakes. People scrambling to backstab each other just to keep a job.  I see it at my wife's place of employ all the time because it's a similar low-skill easily-replaced employee environment.

Wall Street they'll just do it for the sheer joy of it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on July 11, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
I think I'll be introduced to our fourth manager (well 5th, if you count the rerun) in the past 2 years in 15 minutes.  Yay.  Another person to either take no interest or too much interest in what I'm doing.

Well, that.. or we're all getting fired.  :why_so_serious:  I think if it were a firing, they would have booked a conference room.  :awesome_for_real:

edit: The announce the predictable promotion for our manager to 2nd line but.. no first line announcement.  Great.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 11, 2014, 02:54:14 PM
Nah, that is what parking lots are for.  :grin:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on July 21, 2014, 07:05:42 PM
I just conducted the worst interview I've ever been part of.  I can't go into specifics, but experience has taught me the following unsolicited advice I'm going to share with you:

1.  Don't be late.
2.  If you're late, apologize.  Make it brief, but make sure they know this isn't how you roll all the time.
3.  If you're late, don't call the Customer Service team for directions and walk them through your thought process of where you're at.
4.  If you're late, don't blame the directions we gave you.  The directions are a tool that got all the other candidates there without issue.

5.  Don't chew gum. 
6.  If you decide to chew gum, don't choke on it mid-interview.

7.  Turn your cell phone off.
8.  If you leave your cell phone on and it rings, turn it off. 
9.  If you decide to leave it on and it rings no less than four times in a 20 minute interview, don't let it distract your answer to the question being asked. 

10. If asked "What was your favorite job and why?", the wrong answer is "I don't have much job experience."

11. If asked "Of what accomplishment are you most proud and why?", the wrong answer is "My child.", followed by dead silence.  Also don't follow 15 seconds later with "For all the things I done wrong, I can't believe he still alive."

These are simply some general top tips to keep in mind the next time you're sitting down for an interview. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on July 21, 2014, 07:09:05 PM
Quote
11. If asked "Of what accomplishment are you most proud and why?", the wrong answer is "My child.", followed by dead silence.  Also don't follow 15 seconds later with "For all the things I done wrong, I can't believe he still alive."

Fuck you, that's amazing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 21, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
Just..

WOW.  You read stories on the internet, but you don't really think they're true.

Reminds me of the last time I asked our HR guy about helicopter parents and the workplace.  I didn't believe the NPR story that some parents call to arrange their kids jobs and try to negotiate from there. He confirmed it.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Cyrrex on July 22, 2014, 08:01:05 AM
Hawkbit, you obviously know doing all those things is wrong, so how did it come to that?  Super bad day, or wrong meds?  That last one is god damn amazing.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on July 22, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
I just conducted the worst interview I've ever been part of.  I can't go into specifics, but experience has taught me the following unsolicited advice I'm going to share with you:

1.  Don't be late.
2.  If you're late, apologize.  Make it brief, but make sure they know this isn't how you roll all the time.
3.  If you're late, don't call the Customer Service team for directions and walk them through your thought process of where you're at.
4.  If you're late, don't blame the directions we gave you.  The directions are a tool that got all the other candidates there without issue.

5.  Don't chew gum. 
6.  If you decide to chew gum, don't choke on it mid-interview.

7.  Turn your cell phone off.
8.  If you leave your cell phone on and it rings, turn it off. 
9.  If you decide to leave it on and it rings no less than four times in a 20 minute interview, don't let it distract your answer to the question being asked. 

10. If asked "What was your favorite job and why?", the wrong answer is "I don't have much job experience."

11. If asked "Of what accomplishment are you most proud and why?", the wrong answer is "My child.", followed by dead silence.  Also don't follow 15 seconds later with "For all the things I done wrong, I can't believe he still alive."

These are simply some general top tips to keep in mind the next time you're sitting down for an interview. 

I'm assuming by conducted, you were the chap doing the interviewing ?

Because if not holy fuck.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Sky on July 22, 2014, 09:47:32 AM
I can't believe he don't be givin' me that job. I musta done wrong again.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on July 22, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
I can't believe he don't be givin' me that job. I musta done wrong again. He just be hatin' on me 'n not wantin to let me make this place great!

FTFY.

And that interview sounds like a real  :ye_gods: time. 

And for the employers - if you call someone and leave them a message about their resume, and they call you back four times over 3 days, why not take the time to actually respond to them. You initiated the contact originally in response to them submitting a resume.  Husband's dealing with this, today is the last day he's going to try getting in touch with this person.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Ironwood on July 22, 2014, 10:13:45 AM
While I agree, that usually means position got filled by the chap that answered the phone.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: HaemishM on July 22, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
While I agree, that usually means position got filled by the chap that answered the phone.


My wife has run into this kind of shit over and over - she'll even go to interviews and second interviews where they tell her she's great but then never call her back or return her calls. Infuriates the piss out of her, not so much that they don't give her the job but won't even respond WHEN SHE CALLS THEM to give her the simple courtesy of saying, "You didn't get it."


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Merusk on July 22, 2014, 10:58:05 AM
We had a girl lined-up to be our summer intern, resume looked great and she just plain didn't show for the interview. Then didn't call us back when we left a message to check if she was OK.  I need to check with HR and find out if she ever called back..

20 somethings who don't do voicemail are going to find they're unemployed a lot.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: 01101010 on July 22, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
My wife has run into this kind of shit over and over - she'll even go to interviews and second interviews where they tell her she's great but then never call her back or return her calls. Infuriates the piss out of her, not so much that they don't give her the job but won't even respond WHEN SHE CALLS THEM to give her the simple courtesy of saying, "You didn't get it."

Just happened to my buddy who flew out to Seattle to interview with REI. He says the interview went well and he was received well, but they never called him back - even after 2 follow-up calls. Amazing to me that companies are not at least courteous about it. Guess a 5 minute call is not cost effective. No... nevermind, it is not amazing at all. Galling might be a better word.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Hawkbit on July 22, 2014, 12:16:19 PM
Considering the entire application process is automated, you'd think at the very least an applicant could log in to see a decline.  It's really discourteous to not follow up with someone.  Except the person I interviewed yesterday.  I'm not sure we should follow up at all. No sense opening the door to more crazy.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
Pre-screening?  Anyone do this for applicants?  Because I'm not sure how to filter properly until we are all in the same room.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 22, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
My wife has run into this kind of shit over and over - she'll even go to interviews and second interviews where they tell her she's great but then never call her back or return her calls. Infuriates the piss out of her, not so much that they don't give her the job but won't even respond WHEN SHE CALLS THEM to give her the simple courtesy of saying, "You didn't get it."

Just happened to my buddy who flew out to Seattle to interview with REI. He says the interview went well and he was received well, but they never called him back - even after 2 follow-up calls. Amazing to me that companies are not at least courteous about it. Guess a 5 minute call is not cost effective. No... nevermind, it is not amazing at all. Galling might be a better word.

Happened to me recently. Guy said they were going to call within a week to arrange a meeting. Never called. I followed up 10 days later and got no response. Followed up again after that, and got no response.

This was in email as well. It doesn't even take a phone call. It would just take an email to tell people they were eliminated, and this wasn't a large company.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
Actually, the worst is when this happens with internal positions.  True story.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Rasix on July 22, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
Pre-screening?  Anyone do this for applicants?  Because I'm not sure how to filter properly until we are all in the same room.

Give them a bullshit programming exercise to do over the phone and give them a lunch break's time to do it in.  Works for others.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 22, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
Yeah, I wish that worked.  Too many ringers out there, also google.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 22, 2014, 03:02:22 PM
Called a contact of mine, turns out the company still hasn't hired anybody. It's getting to the point where I wouldn't want the job if this is how they operate anyway, but frankly it's beyond ridiculous that they have been trying to fill what I consider to be a very normal position for 5 months.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Chimpy on July 22, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
You obviously don't work at a state University. 5 months is not uncommon to fill a position.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: pxib on July 22, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Government in general. The middle-management job for which I have applied (and interviewed for, and have been waiting to hear anything about for almost two weeks) - the only full time position in our department and since there are only seven of us, a not-insubstantial portion of our total hours - has been vacant since the first week of April.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Paelos on July 23, 2014, 09:03:05 AM
You obviously don't work at a state University. 5 months is not uncommon to fill a position.

No I work in the real world.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Nebu on July 23, 2014, 10:43:32 AM
No I work in the real world.  :why_so_serious:

Speaking of the "real world", I've had a number of job interviews in industry where the sole purpose of the interview wasn't to determine if I was qualified for a "job".  The line of questioning makes it stupidly transparent that they're only trying to mine me for proprietary research information during my presentation and lunch.  While it does piss me off sometimes, I get even by eating lobster for nearly every meal at the 5 star hotel they put me up in. 


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 23, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
Don't hate the player. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: schild on July 23, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
No I work in the real world.  :why_so_serious:

Speaking of the "real world", I've had a number of job interviews in industry where the sole purpose of the interview wasn't to determine if I was qualified for a "job".  The line of questioning makes it stupidly transparent that they're only trying to mine me for proprietary research information during my presentation and lunch.  While it does piss me off sometimes, I get even by eating lobster for nearly every meal at the 5 star hotel they put me up in. 
I ordered 2 full lobsters at one of the meals when Company X acquired Company Y. To this day I still don't know why I was invited to that dinner, but I didn't feel bad for blowing $200+ dollars of someone else's ill-gotten gains.


Title: Re: Job thread
Post by: shiznitz on July 28, 2014, 11:44:29 AM
My wife has run into this kind of shit over and over - she'll even go to interviews and second interviews where they tell her she's great but then never call her back or return her calls. Infuriates the piss out of her, not so much that they don't give her the job but won't even respond WHEN SHE CALLS THEM to give her the simple courtesy of saying, "You didn't get it."

Just happened to my buddy who flew out to Seattle to interview with REI. He says the interview went well and he was received well, but they never called him back - even after 2 follow-up calls.