Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
July 21, 2019, 03:44:59 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Search:     Advanced search
Donate! | Shop: Amazon
*
Home Help Search Login Register
f13.net  |  f13.net General Forums  |  General Discussion  |  Topic: Job thread 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Pages: 1 ... 103 104 [105] Go Down Print
Author Topic: Job thread  (Read 358162 times)
Draegan
Terracotta Army
Posts: 9439


Reply #3640 on: June 04, 2019, 09:28:50 AM

My current employer is a french company and I get less vacation than what is mandated by law in France. But I actually get 4 weeks after a year and a half.

My last employer was a 3rd week after 4-5 years. Another reason why I left.
Cyrrex
Terracotta Army
Posts: 8140


Reply #3641 on: June 04, 2019, 11:34:08 AM

I get 6 weeks mandated by law as of Day 1.  Suck it.

 why so serious?

"...maybe if you cleaned the piss out of the sunny d bottles under your desks and returned em, you could upgrade you vid cards, fucken lusers.." - Grunk
Rasix
Moderator
Posts: 14430

I am the harbinger of your doom!


Reply #3642 on: June 04, 2019, 11:42:37 AM

I usually get 24 days off a year. 4 weeks + some personal choice holidays. We also end up getting early outs before holidays and usually some management days off post large releases. I also got 6 extra days for spending 3 weeks of December in Manchester, UK.

I do wish there was more tech here and it was more competitive, but the cost of living is low. I'm not sure I could rent a backyard pop-up tent in San Francisco for what I pay for my house.

-Rasix
Paelos
Contributor
Posts: 26940

Error 404: Title not found.


Reply #3643 on: June 04, 2019, 12:30:00 PM

I get 6 weeks mandated by law as of Day 1.  Suck it.

 why so serious?

My problem would be if they gave me 6 weeks, I'd have a problem taking that much vacation and still getting my job done. That's the very nature of accounting though, because it never ever stops.

CPA, Sports blogger, Mount and Blade enthusiast
Braves by the Numbers, my sports blog
Paelos
Contributor
Posts: 26940

Error 404: Title not found.


Reply #3644 on: June 04, 2019, 12:32:09 PM

I usually get 24 days off a year. 4 weeks + some personal choice holidays. We also end up getting early outs before holidays and usually some management days off post large releases. I also got 6 extra days for spending 3 weeks of December in Manchester, UK.

I do wish there was more tech here and it was more competitive, but the cost of living is low. I'm not sure I could rent a backyard pop-up tent in San Francisco for what I pay for my house.

Holidays are a good point. We're in the financial industry so we get stock market holidays, which is essentially 10 per year, plus a floating 11th holiday depending on where July 4th and Christmas fall. So it's actually 31 off days when factoring that aspect.

CPA, Sports blogger, Mount and Blade enthusiast
Braves by the Numbers, my sports blog
Samwise
Moderator
Posts: 17646

sentient yeast infection


WWW
Reply #3645 on: June 04, 2019, 01:16:16 PM

I get 6 weeks mandated by law as of Day 1.  Suck it.

 why so serious?

My problem would be if they gave me 6 weeks, I'd have a problem taking that much vacation and still getting my job done. That's the very nature of accounting though, because it never ever stops.

An integral part of giving someone 6 weeks of vacation a year is giving them a workload that is reasonably doable in the other 46 (which probably means hiring more people so that they'll be able to cover work that other people aren't doing when they're on vacation).  If your job requires you to work during your vacation time, it's not vacation time.  By definition.   awesome, for real

It's the hardest part of an "unlimited" vacation setup -- without a defined "vacation balance" that says when you've worked enough to earn a break, you have to set year-level goals that allow for a reasonable amount of time off, and then remember to take that time at some point.  Personally, I much prefer "welp, I'm at my vacation cap, time to fuck off for a couple of weeks!"

"I have not actually recommended many games, and I'll go on the record here saying my track record is probably best in the industry." - schild
Cyrrex
Terracotta Army
Posts: 8140


Reply #3646 on: June 04, 2019, 01:26:23 PM

It works in this part of Europe because there is a general expectation that July and August (especially July) are periods where very little gets planned and done.  But yeah, the workload has to generally fit.  As an American, I have always found it tough to actually fit in the entire six weeks.  In my current place, one week of that can be paid out, and I will probably take that option every time.

"...maybe if you cleaned the piss out of the sunny d bottles under your desks and returned em, you could upgrade you vid cards, fucken lusers.." - Grunk
Paelos
Contributor
Posts: 26940

Error 404: Title not found.


Reply #3647 on: June 04, 2019, 03:28:28 PM

Were I back in the old industry in CPA-land, you could give me the entire summer off from May to August and nobody would likely notice as long as I answered email from my phone and logged in occasionally at night to send out files.

And yet the assclowns who run that industry don't do that. They still demand you "work" which basically means sitting in an office for untold amounts of time doing nothing because you're on payroll. Were I to run a firm, I'd hire people year round with this understanding: We're going to work 70 hours a week for 4-5 months. We hit target and remain profitable? You get 3 months out of the office in the summer, and a bonus in addition to keeping benefits and your regular paycheck. The only caveat is you have to get back to our clients within 24 hours by email. Other than that? Enjoy your summer and "work" wherever you like, I don't want to see you in the office.

CPA, Sports blogger, Mount and Blade enthusiast
Braves by the Numbers, my sports blog
01101010
Terracotta Army
Posts: 10814

You call it an accident. I call it justice.


Reply #3648 on: June 04, 2019, 04:08:57 PM

Were I back in the old industry in CPA-land, you could give me the entire summer off from May to August and nobody would likely notice as long as I answered email from my phone and logged in occasionally at night to send out files.

And yet the assclowns who run that industry don't do that. They still demand you "work" which basically means sitting in an office for untold amounts of time doing nothing because you're on payroll. Were I to run a firm, I'd hire people year round with this understanding: We're going to work 70 hours a week for 4-5 months. We hit target and remain profitable? You get 3 months out of the office in the summer, and a bonus in addition to keeping benefits and your regular paycheck. The only caveat is you have to get back to our clients within 24 hours by email. Other than that? Enjoy your summer and "work" wherever you like, I don't want to see you in the office.

That sounds logical and feasible so that's out. However, I'd go back to school for accounting for that job.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

"I want to watch it all burn in an orgy of smashed Coke machines and weasel rape." - HaemishM
Chimpy
Terracotta Army
Posts: 9165


WWW
Reply #3649 on: June 04, 2019, 04:33:29 PM

Accountants in general can't handle something that unstructured  why so serious?

'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
Paelos
Contributor
Posts: 26940

Error 404: Title not found.


Reply #3650 on: June 05, 2019, 07:59:45 AM

Accountants in general can't handle something that unstructured  why so serious?

One of the reasons I left, haha. I'm not that typical of an accountant from what I've been told.

CPA, Sports blogger, Mount and Blade enthusiast
Braves by the Numbers, my sports blog
RhyssaFireheart
Terracotta Army
Posts: 3294


WWW
Reply #3651 on: June 05, 2019, 08:21:20 AM

Speaking of vacations and time off, I have actually scheduled next week off which means it's the first planned vacation I've had in over 8 years. Since we're traveling, I've already decided that I will not take my work laptop with me and will instead make do with my tablet and phone while at the MiL's house.  It's going to be... odd.  I'm sure I'll log into a gazillion useless emails when I finally check.

When I got hired last year, I got 3 weeks vacation plus the usual big holidays off.  Company also adds on an extra day here and there depending on where those big holidays fall (so e.g. we also get July 5 as an official work holiday) along with 3 floating personal holidays and whatever reasonable amount of sick time you need. It's been nice so far.

Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3652 on: June 07, 2019, 03:18:35 PM

How do you all handle vacation/time off negotiation when switching jobs?

In the tech industry the norm is "unlimited" PTO, which means no negotiation necessary for new employees and no payout necessary for departing employees.

I think you must mean the Silicon Valley tech industry, however the official policy is usually not a stricture that needs to be worked around once you integrate yourself. New people, sure.
Personally I'm committed to 6 days past my already-generous PTO allotment for 2019 and I don't foresee any issues due to the old "manager's discretion" process, even at Ye Olde IBM.

As far as how it works when switching jobs, it generally seems to either not come up or they say "twenty days". Of course, I'm usually looking at infrastructure ops jobs instead of developer jobs. I think the reality is that you'll be working pretty hard in certain shops and not-so-hard in others and the time off isn't really relevant in the first 6 months or so. Which just means I'm going to stay where I am. I was in Tuscany yesterday.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
Rasix
Moderator
Posts: 14430

I am the harbinger of your doom!


Reply #3653 on: June 10, 2019, 03:28:04 PM

New guy on team: Hey, remember that system of yours that I used once last week?
Me: Yes.
New guy: You rebooted it.
Me: Yep.
New guy: I was using it.
Me: It was inaccessible and had to be manually power cycled.
New guy: I was using it Saturday and Sunday.
Me: Sorry? Use it then.

Other than it being literally impossible for him using a system that was powered off due to a chiller breakage.. umm, you want me to apologize or something else for disrupting something you didn't tell me you were doing and technically weren't allowed to? OK.

I really hate getting new people in mid to late release.


-Rasix
Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3654 on: July 16, 2019, 10:03:56 AM

Anyone else have the experience that their Security Team is the pit into which Peter Principle champions fall?

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
Brolan
Terracotta Army
Posts: 1129


Reply #3655 on: July 16, 2019, 10:10:08 AM

Iíve always had the impression that was the career path for devs that canít code.  And those with nazi tendencies.
Samwise
Moderator
Posts: 17646

sentient yeast infection


WWW
Reply #3656 on: July 16, 2019, 10:12:24 AM

I've typically had the opposite experience, where the security guys tend to be a little sharper than average (and also less tolerant of fools).  People who go into security have a desire to prove that they're smarter than other people and most of them have at least a modicum of actual smarts to back that up.

As it happens, a friend of mine just quit his job as head of security for a large company because he decided half a million dollars a year wasn't worth the stress.  Should I tell him you're looking?   awesome, for real
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 10:15:48 AM by Samwise »

"I have not actually recommended many games, and I'll go on the record here saying my track record is probably best in the industry." - schild
Chimpy
Terracotta Army
Posts: 9165


WWW
Reply #3657 on: July 16, 2019, 11:57:07 AM

Just like anything, the security guys run the gamut from "rockstars who know their shit and are not assholes" to "clueless incel nazi shithead" and every point in between.

Though the bell curve does seem to peak a lot closer to the right side of that spectrum than the left  why so serious?



'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
Salamok
Terracotta Army
Posts: 2684


Reply #3658 on: July 16, 2019, 01:11:22 PM

Anyone else have the experience that their Security Team is the pit into which Peter Principle champions fall?

Money is the pit into which Peter Principle champions fall, security is one of the current FotM career choices where the $$'s are.  They can also hide there because there are not enough competent security folks out there to poke holes in the nonsensical buzzword bingo tirades the fake it till you make it guys are fond of.

edit - I may be recalling this incorrectly but I seem to remember early on that acquiring a CISSP cert required a mentorship and sign off from your mentor saying you had the prerequisite experience, then at some point this changed to a self certification alah "I certify that I am awesome and have hands on experience in all the things!"
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 01:17:13 PM by Salamok »
Chimpy
Terracotta Army
Posts: 9165


WWW
Reply #3659 on: July 16, 2019, 05:14:37 PM

CISSP still requires a bunch of coursework/tests.

While those are not necessarily proof of competency, CISSP is still one of the harder to achieve certifications in IT in terms of time/money investment.

'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
Zetor
Terracotta Army
Posts: 3088


WWW
Reply #3660 on: July 17, 2019, 12:34:45 AM

I remember getting a CISA instead of a CISSP back in 2009 because you needed 5 years of experience to even attempt the CISSP exam -- CISA, otoh, you could do whenever and you'd get the cert once you had the 5 years of exp. IMO OSCP >> CISSP > CISA >>> CEH / Security+ / etc, though megacorps love themselves some CISA/CISM.

... anyway, my sample size of 1 says security folks are overworked and underappreciated. why so serious?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2019, 12:39:41 AM by Zetor »

Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3661 on: July 17, 2019, 09:04:39 AM

I realize I was casting a wide net, for the purposes of this informal survey. There are PLENTY of AWESOME security pros in IBM but some of the "local" ones are not very inspirational. One in particular, really, who I struggle to understand how is still employed.

One of my many hats is now security and it's like trying to convince children to eat their vegetables.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
HaemishM
Staff Emeritus
Posts: 40208

Prevent all damage that would be dealt to you and other troops you control.


WWW
Reply #3662 on: July 17, 2019, 10:06:12 AM

Having worked on a few bank web sites in my time, thus having to deal with their security compliance teams, I can safely say that they are super paranoid tightasses who have every reason to be both paranoid and tightasses. Getting kids to eat their vegetables is a really good analogy. Just trying to get a goddamn C-Level suit to have a robust password or not click on every fucking link they see elicits a reaction as if you'd just shit on their plate at dinner. I've had conversations about projects where the project just gets shitcanned simply because no one wanted to have to ask security to bless something.

Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3663 on: July 18, 2019, 12:50:33 PM

Updated the LinkedIn and now Blizzard is reaching out to me. I'm not even listed as looking for work. I guess the interesting thing is they are trying to modernize their backend. Probably to support these mobile games. Ohhhhh, I see.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
Paelos
Contributor
Posts: 26940

Error 404: Title not found.


Reply #3664 on: July 18, 2019, 01:04:39 PM

Isn't your dream to work on a highly polished iteration of some mobile game genre that was created 5 years ago?

CPA, Sports blogger, Mount and Blade enthusiast
Braves by the Numbers, my sports blog
Sky
Terracotta Army
Posts: 30208

I love my TV an' hug my TV an' call it 'George'.


WWW
Reply #3665 on: July 18, 2019, 01:58:13 PM

Soul Crush Saga

Salamok
Terracotta Army
Posts: 2684


Reply #3666 on: July 18, 2019, 01:58:23 PM

Squeee!!! Diablo Crush?  Puzzles and Terrans?  Warcraft Kingdom Rush?  STARCRAFT Kingdom Rush?
Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3667 on: July 18, 2019, 02:30:08 PM

Everyything is all Kubernetes Pods on the back end.  Even things which don't belong in containers. Ohhhhh, I see.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
Chimpy
Terracotta Army
Posts: 9165


WWW
Reply #3668 on: July 18, 2019, 04:04:22 PM

Everyything is all Kubernetes Pods on the back end.  Even things which don't belong in containers. Ohhhhh, I see.


I am sure there is some genius out there trying to use stateful containers for multi-terabyte mySQL databases.

'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes.
Yegolev
Moderator
Posts: 24143

2/10 WOULD NOT INGEST


WWW
Reply #3669 on: July 18, 2019, 04:11:25 PM

Multiple geniuses, in fact. Also, stranger cases than a simple relational DB.

The upside is that I'm learning some limitations on k8s pods that probably haven't been seen before.

Why am I homeless?  Why do all you motherfuckers need homes is the real question.
They called it The Prayer, its answer was law
Mommy come back 'cause the water's all gone
Pages: 1 ... 103 104 [105] Go Up Print 
f13.net  |  f13.net General Forums  |  General Discussion  |  Topic: Job thread  
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.10 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC