Firefall - Red 5

[Tyrnan]

He seems a little obsessed with the Gay.

Presumably he was raped by Hamlet as a child

[Mrbloodworth]

Firefall GStar 2011 Trailer

Firefall Dreadnaught Introduction

[Dewdrop]

You know I rarely feel compelled to throw my $.02 in but this game is the first one in ages that has me somewhat excited. If it can live up to even part of the promise of some of these trailers I think I may have found my new game of choice.. That G*Star trailer just looked extremely polished and smooth. Hell, I even signed up for the beta.

/trying to suppress expectations

Hopefully there is limited input from Card.

[Ratman_tf]

Firefall GStar 2011 Trailer

Firefall Dreadnaught Introduction

Heavy battlesuit with exposed head and arms. 

[Furiously]

So is anyone in the beta? I hear they are doing a gmail style you get invites to send out type thing.

[Hawkbit]

Red 5 is shutting down beta for a day and cancelling their E3 appearance in protest of SOPA.  The E3 cancellation is a bit boggling; is the organization behind E3 in support of SOPA?  Seems like it would have made a great platform to both pitch the game and explain why they think SOPA is bad.

Kotaku link

[taolurker]

The E3 cancellation is a bit boggling; is the organization behind E3 in support of SOPA?

Read the whole article you link next time:

"We are extremely disappointed in this misguided legislation", Firefall CEO Mark Kern told Shacknews. "We are also ashamed of the ESA for supporting a bill which is clearly not in the best interests of gamers or the game industry".

The ESA is the group organising E3, so as an added gesture, Kern later adds "I just had my staff cancel our E3 plans".

[Gets]

  but to me skipping a few hours of server uptime is more boggling. Way to stick it to the man!

[Hawkbit]

I'm an idiot, for posting at 2:30 in the morning, no less. 

Well, I fully support this and hope it doesn't blow back into Red 5's faces. 

[Kitsune]

Well that's one sure-fire way to garner goodwill from the Internet denizens.  The pertinent question is whether that goodwill will translate into a profit that exceeds the loss caused by the gesture.

[UnSub]

Red 5 is shutting down beta for a day and cancelling their E3 appearance in protest of SOPA.  The E3 cancellation is a bit boggling; is the organization behind E3 in support of SOPA?  Seems like it would have made a great platform to both pitch the game and explain why they think SOPA is bad.

Kotaku link

Alternatively: "Good news guys - you don't have to polish off that game demo material for E3 any more!"

Going to E3 can be a costly and time consuming process (according to all the things I've read when devs complain about it). Not going, and claiming it as a protest, can be a win / win for Red 5.

[Mrbloodworth]

Firefall Closed Beta LiveStream 2 Hours of Game play. Prerecorded Livestream. Mostly PvP.

I get a strong Global agenda Vibe from this.

[Draegan]

This game should be fun.  The booth was packed at PAX so I didn't get a chance to play it.

[Ratman_tf]

Firefall Closed Beta LiveStream 2 Hours of Game play. Prerecorded Livestream. Mostly PvP.

I'm rather disappointed. More small team capture the node stuff. Not necessarily a bad thing, but hardly stands out from the crowd.
I hope there's more to the game when it launches.

[Malakili]

Firefall Closed Beta LiveStream 2 Hours of Game play. Prerecorded Livestream. Mostly PvP.

I get a strong Global agenda Vibe from this.

Watching some of that video I noticed the same thing.  In that respect, I'm rather uninterested.  Not because GA is terrible, but because I'd rather just play Tribes.

[Gets]

Watching some of that video I noticed the same thing.  In that respect, I'm rather uninterested.  Not because GA is terrible, but because I'd rather just play Tribes.

A few weeks ago when I filled the beta feedback report to them this is exactly what I said players will think.

[Furiously]

Well.. There is no NDA for the beta. So that's a positive right? (I got my invite this morning and am downloading now.)

[Njal]

I didn't have to sign an NDA for my beta and I've fooled around for it a bit now. I like it a lot, fast moving and fun. However I have my doubts about long term play. All there is to do is wander around earning xp. The quests they had were pretty nice but unless there is more to do it will be something I fire up once a month or so.

[LK]

I was thoroughly disappointed with the state of the game compared to previous demonstrations when I played it at AnimeExpo. They've been doing demos for three years now, and the game hasn't felt like it's progressed that much in that time period. Also, the game was so fast and chaotic it was difficult to play.

Their marketing team is well-funded, though.

[Furiously]

I'm not seeing the draw personally.

[Spiff]

I'm not seeing the draw personally.

They still need to patch in the fun.

It's also very reminiscent of Global Agenda, but in sort of a foetal state, which left me wondering: "what's the point?"

[Furiously]

I'm just trying to figure what they have done in the two years since thwy showed their initial videos.  I mean there are like 4 quests, and then you are thrown to the wolves. Or I am doing something wrong.

[LK]

I wonder that myself. The brand seems to be what they are promoting rather than the game -- mangas, cosplay, etc. I would have thought a successful strategy would have been to release an interesting and proven world setting before you start trying to exploit it. I see themselves promoting a level of self-importance on nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

[Mrbloodworth]

Other than lacking the Sticky ( Subjective) does it play well?


Every thing that I have read recently seems to say they have spent quite a while recently revamping the classes completely.

[JRave]

From what I've picked up from a friend of mine who is into this pretty heavily.  They are working on promoting the esport aspect of the game.  Coupled with their recent milestone patch that made the game twitch/skill based, it seems that is the direction they want to go.

[kildorn]

From what I've picked up from a friend of mine who is into this pretty heavily.  They are working on promoting the esport aspect of the game.  Coupled with their recent milestone patch that made the game twitch/skill based, it seems that is the direction they want to go.

It's still about as deep as Global Agenda, and the pve aspect is completely not-being-worked-on as far as anyone can tell (major patch! added fun! added... one quest to show off that we made bikes work.)

It's a faithful Global Agenda clone, which is .. not really praise. It's also hilariously late from it's intended release date and not really making any moves I'd consider forward progress. The class revamp was mostly adding a much MUCH longer leveling system combined with WoTank's bitchy "stock ____" sucks ass compared to the prior suit.

[Gets]

And World of Tanks' new tech tree will look exactly like Firefall's current 

Firefall needs to be more groundbreaking at... something! The PvE is monotonous and as refreshing as reading an old magazine and PvP reminds me dangerously of Brink. If this game wants to get general notice, then The Chosen should just become the zombies that they are supposed to be and everyone should accept permadeath. Or something! A revamp won't happen since the current one is hardly a revamp at all and it still arrived at a snails pace.

[Cadaverine]

I've got an invite available if anyone is interested.  Just PM me your email address, and it's yours.

The prize has been claimed.

[climbjtree]

I've got an invite as well, and I'm not going to be able to play. Anyone want this thing or what?

[fuser]

I also have a key if anyone wants, no OSX client unable to play (just PM me)

[Malakili]

http://www.tentonhammer.com/firefall/news/red-5-supports-firefall-esports-in-2013-with-1-million-in-prize-money

Firefall has yet to officially launch, but Red 5 Studios already has ambitious plans for integrating the online shooter with the eSports community. This week they backed up that commitment by announcing that $1 million in cash prizes will be up for grabs in 2013 through Firefall eSports tournaments.

Is it me or is this batshit?  Yea, Valve can get away with this in DOTA 2 because 1) They are Valve and 2) DOTA is already an incredibly well established competitive title.  I guess you can look at it as a one million dollar advertising expenditure, but this looks nuts to me.

[Hayduke]

It certainly doesn't make any sense to me, but then very little about this game does.  It's such a disappointment right now.

[UnSub]

http://www.tentonhammer.com/firefall/news/red-5-supports-firefall-esports-in-2013-with-1-million-in-prize-money

Firefall has yet to officially launch, but Red 5 Studios already has ambitious plans for integrating the online shooter with the eSports community. This week they backed up that commitment by announcing that $1 million in cash prizes will be up for grabs in 2013 through Firefall eSports tournaments.

Is it me or is this batshit?  Yea, Valve can get away with this in DOTA 2 because 1) They are Valve and 2) DOTA is already an incredibly well established competitive title.  I guess you can look at it as a one million dollar advertising expenditure, but this looks nuts to me.

It is absolutely the worst option possible for any competitive PVP title to try.

Fury did this - try to launch their game off the back of a big cash money competition. What happened? All those professional gamers came in, stomped over everyone, looked for every exploit in the book and (possibly) went off with the cash. Players who were enticed with the competition only remember being thrashed soundly and never went back.

There was some other PvP MMO with a three word title (nm, found it: Risk Your Life: Path of the Emperor) that tried something similar, was overrun by professional gamers / hackers and I don't think ever paid out the prize. Players came just for the money and didn't hang around to play the game.

[Musashi]

wat

[Torinak]

It certainly doesn't make any sense to me, but then very little about this game does.  It's such a disappointment right now.

They have a huge display at PAX Prime (only one with a "booth babe"  ), and a "mobile gaming center" outside. Interest seemed pretty low--on Friday, there were a few people chatting with the reps but no lines, and on Saturday there were much longer lines at nearly every other exhibit.  Looked like they're still playing up the "eSport" angle. Their burn rate has to be huge.