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Reply #525 on: December 10, 2010, 09:44:39 AM

And even if you do get it to boot and past activation, you then have to deal with tons of old drivers for hardware that doesnt exist. Really, its a bad idea all around.
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Reply #526 on: December 10, 2010, 02:55:52 PM

Whenever I have that issue I just install to a fresh drive and slave up the old one as a "storage" drive and archive of sorts.
Best of both worlds really. You can always rebuild shortcuts on the new drive to all your old stuff and it'll feel mostly the same with minimal effort.
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Reply #527 on: December 12, 2010, 02:48:40 AM

Thanks for the response everyone. I have basically taken all your advice. I bought a new copy of Windows 7 for (relatively) cheap and installed it on the new hard drive. I read what y'all have said, and decided 'aw fuck it, if they think it's  pain, it will be nightmare for me' and just installed WoW on my new computer.  The only thing I really needed to back up on the old comp was my creative writing folders anyway.







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Reply #528 on: December 27, 2010, 07:06:42 PM

OK, so I received $100.00 in gift cards from Newegg for Christmas and I'm looking to finally upgrade from my cheap GT240. I wanna keep it under $200.00 after shipping (cheaper the better too) and mainly interested in an NVIDIA card. If it matters I am running:

I5 750
6 gigs DDR3
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 Motherboard
Case is big so card size not an issue

This is the primary one I am looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567
Good deal or any other suggestions? 

It's $189.99 on sale right now with a $20.00 rebate card.
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Reply #529 on: December 27, 2010, 08:54:29 PM

460GTX 1gig card. Pretty much the only choice under $200, unless you run into a smokin' 470 deal.
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Reply #530 on: December 27, 2010, 09:43:00 PM

Check the warranty stuff.  EVGA does lifetime warranties on some cards if you register it shortly after purchase, as I recall the AR suffix indicates this.
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Reply #531 on: December 29, 2010, 08:55:18 AM

My 460gtx 1GB EE has a lifetime warranty on it. Nice kick for my almost 4yr old C2D e6600 with 4GB of DDR2.

If I did it again, I'd skip the external exhaust, though. It's wicked loud, though it's made case temps very cool.
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Reply #532 on: December 29, 2010, 09:56:29 AM

I've been really happy with the Gigabyte version of the 1 GB GTX460.  It doesn't exhaust outside the case, but the cooler on it is pretty damned quiet, even under load.

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Reply #533 on: December 29, 2010, 12:36:02 PM

I've been really happy with the Gigabyte version of the 1 GB GTX460.  It doesn't exhaust outside the case, but the cooler on it is pretty damned quiet, even under load.

The success of a GPU cooler that doesn't exhaust out of the case is highly contingent upon how well the other case fans are venting hot air out. The issue with case ventilation is that you have to do some research on good cases or just spend a lot of money.

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Reply #534 on: January 01, 2011, 11:26:19 AM


About 2 months or so ago I basically got a new pc, however compared to others' experiences, I had incredibly poor performance while playing Rift. I'm hoping someone can help me out.

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Reply #535 on: January 01, 2011, 01:22:35 PM

What is "incredibly poor performance"?

Is there any issue with RIFT on a six core, for some reason?  There's nothing in that build that looks like an outstanding issue to me (other than it being AMD, which I don't use). 

On my Q6600/8800gtx/4gig I was running 24-30fps Ultra in non-raid, 20fps low specs in raid during the invasions. 
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Reply #536 on: January 01, 2011, 05:46:10 PM

What is "incredibly poor performance"?

Is there any issue with RIFT on a six core, for some reason?  There's nothing in that build that looks like an outstanding issue to me (other than it being AMD, which I don't use).  

On my Q6600/8800gtx/4gig I was running 24-30fps Ultra in non-raid, 20fps low specs in raid during the invasions.  

Threash and at least one other person in global chat say they were getting 40 60 fps during the raid with max settings. I was getting 8 fps and averaging 20 fps everywhere else. Friday morning tho I was getting 30 40  on average but still in the teens during the raid.

eta: does anyone own a Bigfoot Killer 2100? I'm curious if it's worth buying. I saw it at Fry's for about $90.00. Sounds a bit pricey for a nic.
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Reply #537 on: January 01, 2011, 07:44:47 PM

I stay away from 'performance' NICs. I sincerely doubt they will improve your latency issues if you're having any.

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Reply #538 on: January 02, 2011, 07:04:49 PM


About 2 months or so ago I basically got a new pc, however compared to others' experiences, I had incredibly poor performance while playing Rift. I'm hoping someone can help me out.

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (2.8 GHz)
GTX 470 1280 MB
4 gig RAM  (DDR3) 1600 MHz
Gigabyte GA 890GPA UD3H
Hitachi Desktar  1 TB 7200 rpm

Probably your processor.  The game is still in Beta, so threading optimization and scalability past 2/4 cores may still be in the works, and they might be favouring Intel processors since they tend to be the performance king at the moment.  Might also be seeing a heavier than usual CPU load if they're solving outstanding GPU / sound hardware compatibility problems by running the problematic code in software mode.
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Reply #539 on: January 02, 2011, 09:18:55 PM

eta: does anyone own a Bigfoot Killer 2100? I'm curious if it's worth buying. I saw it at Fry's for about $90.00. Sounds a bit pricey for a nic.

I wouldn't buy it just for the reason of the tinkering it preforms to the Windows networking stack. In order to optimize performance it installs and utilizes it's own networking stack to avoid any slowdown. This leads into a whole new slew of support issues (search their forums for fios & bsod problems).

if your shopping for a good network card look at any Intel Gigabit. I've been using on-board for a long while, but recently had weird issues with a realtek on-board chip that I'm back to using Intel NIC's.
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Reply #540 on: January 03, 2011, 08:01:29 AM

Don't use RIFT as a performance gauge, especially now (when they're still tweaking the engine). Maybe once it's released and even then only if it's your primary game. Use more standard benchmarks, stuff you see the review sites using. And take anything anyone says about performance with a grain of salt, I call bullshit on anyone saying they were running ultra settings during one of the big raid events and getting 60fps.
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Reply #541 on: January 03, 2011, 11:10:09 AM


Thanks all.


Reading a bit on the official site, it looks like a lot of people with gtx's are having problems. I dunno if that's the root cause, but it's nice to know I'm not the only one having problems.

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Reply #542 on: January 16, 2011, 10:28:27 PM

So, anyone springing for a new Sandy Bridge CPU? I'm thinking about it, since my C2D6750 is getting a bit long in the tooth. I'm considering a Gigabyte motherboard for it. This one in particular, because it claims to have P67 'native' SATA6 controller rather than the tacked-on Marvel SATA6 controller the other Gigabyte boards have.

Any thoughts?

I have also heard from some folks that there's a new 'feature' on the CPU regarding 'DRM' control that is either a) a way for you to stream 1080p from providers since it encrypts the stream or b) a way for the man to control your computings. Anyone heard of this one way or another?

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Reply #543 on: January 17, 2011, 09:48:11 AM

There's a fair amount of info floating around, it's programmable stuff in the chip, Intel used the streaming DRM "It's not DRM, it's a content management system!" as an example. Early days yet to see if it's evil.

And why the hate on the marvell sata6? Even that board half the sata6 is marvell. It's not like there's even much sata6 out there yet, unless you're dropping big cash on one of the few ssds that support it.
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Reply #544 on: January 17, 2011, 11:47:36 AM

I've been trying to sort out a i7 build for a friend who does freelance 2d art type stuff (product design/advertising stuff). They have been using a laptop with some shit Intel on-board video and its high time for a nice big upgrade so that all of the programs can be run at once with buttery smoothness. The laptop chugs just opening 600+ dpi files into photoshop I'm not sure how they can stand it.

I'm looking at the i7 options and it feels like a bit of a minefield considering the strange price spread on newegg. For mobo I was looking at Asus' Sabertooth x58 as the safe no brainer choice.

Video card though is giving me fits. Adobe says they give extra special blowjob support to GTX285 and GTX470 which I don't take that seriously but is still annoying. The GTX400's run too damn loud and too damn hot for my liking from the reviews I've read but I do prefer NVidia over ATI -I know that ATI is ascendant these days and I've had good ATI cards but for someone else NV still feels safer due to old prejudices- I love my GTX260 that I've had for years but what should I be looking at here?

For ram I wanted to fit 12GB just to do it but I've decided to not throw other people's money away and go with a more reasonable 6GB Corsair XMS3 set for $75 off the egg. Should get the jobs done no problem I think.

Budget is $1500 but I'm confident in coming in under while still buying parts that are way better than necessary.

Everything else is easy. Seasonic PSU that handles whatever GPU I choose, some case (letting them pick some they think look cool then will look up reviews) dvd drive and done.

Oh what level of Windows do people buy these days? I'm still running Vista 64 and never had problems with it so I'm clearly the wrong person to ask. I have no idea what the hell the difference between home/pro/ultimate 7-64bit are and hate Microsoft for even making me deal with that shit.

Budget is $1600 but I'm confident in coming under (don't need monitor so extra easy!) while still building a much beefier machine than they'll need. However this is clearly a wouldn't it be nice if they could use it for 6 years type rig so spending some extra cash on cpu/mobo isn't crazy despite the rumors of another quantum leap in the next year or so. Is it?
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Reply #545 on: January 17, 2011, 12:50:13 PM

For video cards I ended up going with this GTX460 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261076 not too long ago. It's actually pretty damn quiet and I ended up getting it for 189.99 plus free shipping. From all the research I did the 460 seems like one of the best bang for your buck cards out there.
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Reply #546 on: January 17, 2011, 01:08:37 PM

And why the hate on the marvell sata6? Even that board half the sata6 is marvell. It's not like there's even much sata6 out there yet, unless you're dropping big cash on one of the few ssds that support it.

Oh, I don't 'hate' anything. I just had heard that because its a separate chipset, instead of something directly connected to the P67 chipset, it isn't as fast, or takes more resources, or somesuch. I saw some benchmarks at some point on HardOCP and I vaguely remember Trippy talking about it a few pages back, or in another thread. Something to the effect that the marvel chipset takes up memory addresses otherwise used by the system for other things.

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Reply #547 on: January 17, 2011, 04:20:10 PM

Video card though is giving me fits. Adobe says they give extra special blowjob support to GTX285 and GTX470 which I don't take that seriously but is still annoying. The GTX400's run too damn loud and too damn hot for my liking from the reviews I've read but I do prefer NVidia over ATI -I know that ATI is ascendant these days and I've had good ATI cards but for someone else NV still feels safer due to old prejudices- I love my GTX260 that I've had for years but what should I be looking at here?

The GTX 460, single or SLI, is a hell of a card.  No, it's not hot, and it's not loud.
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Reply #548 on: January 18, 2011, 06:50:04 AM

I've been trying to sort out a i7 build for a friend who does freelance 2d art type stuff (product design/advertising stuff). They have been using a laptop with some shit Intel on-board video and its high time for a nice big upgrade so that all of the programs can be run at once with buttery smoothness. The laptop chugs just opening 600+ dpi files into photoshop I'm not sure how they can stand it.

I'm looking at the i7 options and it feels like a bit of a minefield considering the strange price spread on newegg. For mobo I was looking at Asus' Sabertooth x58 as the safe no brainer choice.

Video card though is giving me fits. Adobe says they give extra special blowjob support to GTX285 and GTX470 which I don't take that seriously but is still annoying. The GTX400's run too damn loud and too damn hot for my liking from the reviews I've read but I do prefer NVidia over ATI -I know that ATI is ascendant these days and I've had good ATI cards but for someone else NV still feels safer due to old prejudices- I love my GTX260 that I've had for years but what should I be looking at here?

For ram I wanted to fit 12GB just to do it but I've decided to not throw other people's money away and go with a more reasonable 6GB Corsair XMS3 set for $75 off the egg. Should get the jobs done no problem I think.

Budget is $1500 but I'm confident in coming in under while still buying parts that are way better than necessary.

Everything else is easy. Seasonic PSU that handles whatever GPU I choose, some case (letting them pick some they think look cool then will look up reviews) dvd drive and done.

Oh what level of Windows do people buy these days? I'm still running Vista 64 and never had problems with it so I'm clearly the wrong person to ask. I have no idea what the hell the difference between home/pro/ultimate 7-64bit are and hate Microsoft for even making me deal with that shit.

Budget is $1600 but I'm confident in coming under (don't need monitor so extra easy!) while still building a much beefier machine than they'll need. However this is clearly a wouldn't it be nice if they could use it for 6 years type rig so spending some extra cash on cpu/mobo isn't crazy despite the rumors of another quantum leap in the next year or so. Is it?

I'd suggest taking a look at the K-line Sandy Bridge processors on a good P67 board, since they apparently overclock easily and are a meaningful improvement over the other offerings available right now - comparisons between the 2500K and 2600K and the current $1K i7 procs have been tossed about by Anand and others, with the general consensus being that the new models make it hard to justify a super high-end X58/1366 solution. 

Anand's Bench results between the ~$330 2600K and the $1K i7 980X.

If you're looking at bang for the buck in nVidia cards, the GTX460 is great.  Otherwise, the GTX570 is a solid card with significant improvements over the GTX470/480, particularly in power draw and noise if you want something with more power than a 460. 

Beyond that, the GTX560 launches later this month (the 25th, I think), so you might want to wait and see what that looks like.

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Reply #549 on: January 18, 2011, 08:50:49 AM

The 560 looks to have great OC potential and huge SLI scaling, if you're into that. Very similiar to the 460 in that respect and probably around $225.

The K line Sandybridge do seem to be OCing quite well. 4.4 to 4.6 is almost a given, and 4.8 not uncommon. They do run well on air, but initial reports seem to indicate a good aftermarket cooler wouldn't be a bad idea. One core almost always seems to run hot. Those pushing into 5ghz territory are probably on thin ice. The only OCs I've seen in this region were well above the recommended voltage to the CPU. How SB stands up to being overvolted has yet to be seen, but according to Intel it's very risky business. All in all, the 2500k and 2600k appear to be the hot setup at a very reasonable cost.

I"m building my next box in about 5-6 months and I'll most likely be going 2500k. AMD might be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat with Bulldozer, but it looks late in the year--about when the new high end Intel chips will appear.
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Reply #550 on: January 18, 2011, 09:51:10 AM

Sandy Bridge, New SSDs, New Intel Cards just dropped. Guh, guess I should upgrade this year.

Anything else coming out this year that might be worth the wait?
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Reply #551 on: January 18, 2011, 10:22:57 AM

Sandy Bridge, New SSDs, New Intel Cards just dropped. Guh, guess I should upgrade this year.

Anything else coming out this year that might be worth the wait?

A high-end version of Sandy Bridge (higher wattages, 6-core procs, etc) is coming late this year on (wait for it...) yet another socket, according to that Anand article.

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Reply #552 on: January 18, 2011, 10:44:58 AM

/facepalm

Although I guess if its 6 core its probably triple channel which would explain the new socket. I thought that the whole triple channel with the early i7s had unmarketable results?

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Reply #553 on: January 18, 2011, 11:37:51 AM

So from the benchmarks I'm seeing it looks like i7 2600 > 950 especially for non gaming HT utilizing software. Switching the build to that isn't too hard except the motherboards for 1155 are all so new there doesn't seem to be a ton of consensus on what is reliable with good bios. I'm also stuck with ASUS having one of those annoying lineups where its hard as hell to tell what you are paying for are you move up their ladder. Annoying but thanks for pointing that out, I had written the sandy bridge stuff off as too new to be worth a serious look but it does seem like the superior option right now even though the price is surely going to stumble downwards over the course of 2011.

I see no reason to get the 2600K since the likelyhood of this user overclocking anything ever is nil but did I miss any other difference between the two that warrants the 10% price increase?

For dual channel ram in a 1155 setup thinking a 2x4GB Corsair XMS3 option.

So far I've locked down:
PSU - obvious choice is obvious. I know I could spend less or get by probably 450-500W but PSU money is almost never poorly spent in my experience. I could get the 560W version which has 46A on the 12 saving me $20 if I was scrounging...
GPU - thanks to all for the votes of confidence in the 460, I had read so many bad 470 reviews awhile back I did not realize that the 460 was a different generation so to speak.
HD - this is still a hold over while we wait for SSD to become better and cheaper. Will partition it into 75GB for OS and 75GB for anything else. User has a big external they barely dip into for storage.
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Reply #554 on: January 18, 2011, 12:02:31 PM

GPU - thanks to all for the votes of confidence in the 460, I had read so many bad 470 reviews awhile back I did not realize that the 460 was a different generation so to speak.

If you're buying now (within the next day or so), NewEgg is selling an overclocked MSI 1GB GTX460 for $170 with an additional $20 MiR and a download coupon for Just Cause 2 as an added bonus.
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Reply #555 on: January 18, 2011, 12:09:37 PM

Good looks but I love evga's warranty policy and was unable to find a review of that heatsink anywhere. MSI has two other cooler options that everyone talks about but I can't find anything on that particular setup. That evga card has been tested as quiet by multiple review sites I trust.

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Reply #556 on: January 18, 2011, 12:29:02 PM

I just noticed that you're looking at the 768MB version of the GTX460, which uses a 192-bit memory bus instead of the 256-bit bus of the 1GB version, and would suggest switching to one of the 1GB cards.

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Reply #557 on: February 03, 2011, 04:05:04 PM

Well I guess, this that puts a bit of a damper on my building a sandy bridge system for two months or so.

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Reply #558 on: February 03, 2011, 04:36:32 PM

Well I guess, this that puts a bit of a damper on my building a sandy bridge system for two months or so.

Heh - I just finished a P67 mATX build too.  That said, I don't have anything on the affected SATA ports, so I'm not too worried, but I'll be very interested to see what Asus will do - Gigabyte has already confirmed that they'll take the boards back and exchange them when the new board rev comes out - apparently Intel is footing the bill.

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Reply #559 on: February 03, 2011, 05:33:50 PM

You could also just put in a 6 Gbps SATA, clone it, and not worry about it, since it only affects the 3Gbps ports.

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Interestingly enough the problem doesn’t affect ports 0 & 1 on the 6-series chipset. Remember that Intel has two 6Gbps ports and four 3Gbps ports on P67/H67, only the latter four are impacted by this problem.

That is, unless you got a motherboard with no 6 Gbps ports, for which you should be severely spanked anyway.

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