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Reply #2835 on: May 19, 2018, 12:25:46 AM

On paper, an i5 that old is about half the power of a latest generation i5, but...about half of that is because a latest generation i5 has more cores, which makes very little difference to games (few can properly use 2 cores, almost none gain much benefit from more), and most games are GPU bound and will happily run on any real desktop CPU from the last decade.

You'd  see more benefits from the RAM speed you could get from the mobo upgrade that would go with a new CPU than from the CPU itself, not to mention a modern NVME SSD. Moore's Law is effectively a dead letter for consumer CPU applications.

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EDIT: You'd also get USB 3.0, and some other goodies that only come with the chipsets for the last couple of CPU generations. But the CPU itself is not going to be much of an upgrade.
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Reply #2836 on: May 19, 2018, 12:46:54 AM

m.2 ssd for os
32gb ram
whatever on the rest
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Reply #2837 on: May 21, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

32GB RAM why? I was going to throw 16 in it and see about a second 16 if needed.

Any thoughts on optane?

I'm waffling between the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F I mentioned earlier and a MSI Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON, since I've been fairly happy with my MSI. Though I think my crashing issue was due to problems with the OC on that board, since it hasn't recurred since I went back to stock speeds.

I guess my main concerns are low power draw (without sacrificing performance), an M.2 shield (I don't like hot things), clean audio (optical spdif and headphone), and speed. I guess a good BIOS so I don't have to dick around too much with it. I'd like to OC the CPU a bit, given I'll put a 212 cooler on it (since I'll reuse my old case which may be a PITA for a water cooler).

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Reply #2838 on: May 22, 2018, 12:13:38 PM

Fair warning - I'm no motherboard expert.   

I was also looking at the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F, so if you still are, check out the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E  (E not F).   From what I can tell - It's basically the same board but for $10 you get built in Wifi, Bluetooth and a second USB 3.1 controller for the front of the case connections, and a thermal sensor connection.

I had to stare at this nightmare of a page for awhile to try and figure it all out.
https://www.asus.com/us/Product-Compare/?products=JwLQlGA6fr7nw6Wy,klfkClhgxgVuMQ6D,iyrqvsPylXRKrsqR,J5gI4IJdkmAgKEpd&b=2
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Reply #2839 on: May 22, 2018, 01:06:37 PM

Ah, ok. I was under the impression it was just the wifi, and I have a good external antenna/adapter, and was just going to wire this version of my pc into the switch, since now I have Gb wired and whatnot.

Though I'm now considering a new case since my perusals have me thinking about a Noctua 140mm heat sink, which might need another 10-20mm depending on how far I have to lift the push fan to accommodate the RAM, since I can't find fast CL14 in a low profile package.

Good times. It's been forever, but most of the fun is in researching  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS I've learned delidding is a thing.

edit: basically thinking about keeping the 970 and PSU from the current build

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Reply #2840 on: May 23, 2018, 08:57:18 AM

Ok, narrowing down a config. I really like the design of the Fractal Design S, big fan and minimal components. And since it sits in the living room, I like a nice clean finish and it would get rid of my awesome but ancient previous clean finish case that has some silver finish to it. Main downside I see on the S is the LEDs on the top front, I like the case to be dark. I see some electrical tape happening.

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G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK (I wanted CL14@3200)
SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2 2280 512GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 2-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7P512BW (bumped this up, again not going to skimp a couple bucks here)
ASUS - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING (I just keep going back to this one, the M.2 heatsink and ability to put a 40mm cooler on the VRM heatsink)
Fractal Design Define S ATX case
Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans (plus maybe an additional pull fan on the back, but 2 is probably fine)
2x Noctua NH-D 14 PWM 140mm case fans (push/pull for the case, possibly one more pull. I like F-to-B so the top stays on)
1x Noctua A-Series NF-A4x10 FLX 40mm (for the VRM)
Win 10 Home 64 (since it's basically a new machine, I'll probably repurpose the old machine in the studio)

Carrying forward my MSI 970 4GB and Seasonic Prime Titanium 850. About $1300 total.

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Reply #2841 on: May 23, 2018, 04:33:26 PM

I prefer Corsair for RAM. A 2nd fan might not fit on the heat sink depending on the RAM height and motherboard layout. Otherwise looks good

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Reply #2842 on: May 23, 2018, 04:59:31 PM

I've been using gskill for a while, had one stick die (under warranty) but otherwise it's been solid (and that's over the 7 years since I built this iteration). So I'm ok with them, experientially.

But it's mostly because they have the lower latency 3200 modules. Not too worried about clearance, because the Noctua is supposed to allow for a bit of vertical movement on the pull fan and the case should have ample room to bump it up a couple dozen mm if needed.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Feeling pretty good about that setup, even if it's just a tech refresh and doesn't get me much tangible improvement for gaming (I feel minecraft will benefit from the cpu and ram speeds, though). Should keep it fresh until gpus become affordable again...

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Reply #2843 on: June 04, 2018, 07:52:17 PM

When are the happy days of cheap graphics cards, cheap RAM and happy smiling gamers coming back again? If only everything was like SSD prices. Hoping to stumble on some kind of mid-year super sale for a build/prebuilt.
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Reply #2844 on: June 04, 2018, 10:09:43 PM

When are the happy days of cheap graphics cards, cheap RAM and happy smiling gamers coming back again? If only everything was like SSD prices. Hoping to stumble on some kind of mid-year super sale for a build/prebuilt.

Not until the cryptocurrency chucklefucks all die of syphilis, apparently.

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Reply #2845 on: June 04, 2018, 10:20:48 PM

I think the current best way to upgrade your gpu is to buy a prebuilt gaming pc, pull the gpu and replace it with your current gpu, and reselll the PC.

Otherwise, don't buy higher res monitors and stick with older cards. My 4 yr old 970 is still a champ at 1080p, I decided to hold off upgrading for a few more years.

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Reply #2846 on: June 04, 2018, 11:12:29 PM

I think the current best way to upgrade your gpu is to buy a prebuilt gaming pc, pull the gpu and replace it with your current gpu, and reselll the PC.

Otherwise, don't buy higher res monitors and stick with older cards. My 4 yr old 970 is still a champ at 1080p, I decided to hold off upgrading for a few more years.

Ha, good idea. But unavailable to me because my current gaming PC is an Alienware Alpha, effectively a gaming laptop in a console-sized case with a HDMI port instead of a screen. It's hooked up to a 4K OLED TV, but I play everything in 1080p upscaled to 4K by the TV, because the Alpha lags in 4K. It's still pretty nice though (with a Roccat Sova couch gaming keyboard).

I want something capable of VR and actual 4K. I could build, but there are good prebuilt gaming deals within $100 of what I could do myself. Worth it for the warranty. Currently seeing i7 8700K, 16Gb, 500Gb NVMe SSD, 2TB HDD, 1080ti for A$2623 (about US$2k) but hoping for better deals later in June.
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Reply #2847 on: June 05, 2018, 09:02:54 AM

That's actually where I'm interested to see what happens: with so many people pushing VR but the miners commanding the gpu market, there is a huge bottleneck in the supply chain. Will crypto kill VR?

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Reply #2848 on: June 05, 2018, 09:38:46 AM

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Reply #2849 on: June 21, 2018, 01:19:17 AM

Report claims an OEM partner has returned 300,000 current generation GPUs to Nvidia, resulting in an inventory problem delaying next-gen GPUs and probably meaning an impending flood of current-gen GPUs at lower prices.

Edit: Also claims on Seeking Alpha (take with salt) that Nvidia is "aggressively buying GDDR5", suggesting they do indeed need to make boards out of this GPU glut.
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Reply #2850 on: June 21, 2018, 10:19:26 AM

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Reply #2851 on: June 21, 2018, 09:21:10 PM

So Newegg decided to sell Ryzen 1700 CPUs for $160 earlier today (for about ten minutes) - as a result, I have a new build to replace my aging HTPC (which will be relegated to NAS duty) in the works now.  Should be good times.

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Reply #2852 on: June 22, 2018, 10:01:15 AM

Nice MisterNoisy! Were you on some sort of cpu pricing alert website or did you just happen to read the right reddit forum at the right time?

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something.

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Reply #2853 on: June 22, 2018, 04:33:35 PM

Nice MisterNoisy! Were you on some sort of cpu pricing alert website or did you just happen to read the right reddit forum at the right time?

The buildapcsales subreddit is rad.  Newegg was doing their E3 event with time-delayed codes (apparently in limited quantity), but the codes and prices were in the page source code, so the sub was primed to jump fast.

Farmed some of the saved cash into a semi-nice motherboard and ordered a 480GB NVME SSD for $99 (also thanks to that sub).

There's no rush, so I'm just sorta waiting for sales on the various bits and bobs I still need.
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Reply #2854 on: June 22, 2018, 04:53:54 PM

Farmed some of the saved cash into a semi-nice motherboard and ordered a 480GB NVME SSD for $99 (also thanks to that sub).

SSD prices are becoming amazing. There was a 120Gb WD Green SSD for A$28.50 last night (US$21). I'd want something bigger and to go all SSD, but with a 1Tb or 2Tb HDD it would match a cheap prebuild.
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Reply #2855 on: July 05, 2018, 05:22:08 PM

So I finished up that Ryzen 7 build:



Ryzen 7 1700 (under the stock cooler for now)
ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC
16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 C15
MSI GTX970 100ME (eventually this will change, but it's still plenty good enough for living room gaming)
ADATA XPG SX8200 480GB
ADATA SU800 1TB
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W
NZXT H500i with a couple of Corsair AF140 fans and a spare AF120 I had laying around

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Reply #2856 on: July 05, 2018, 05:35:38 PM

Nice -- very clean looking.
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Reply #2857 on: July 05, 2018, 05:38:34 PM

Nice -- very clean looking.


Thanks!  That case is ridiculously good for cable management.  Material quality could be better, though.  The H700/H700i is a fair bit sturdier, but damn near twice the price.

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Reply #2858 on: July 05, 2018, 06:13:57 PM

So I finished up that Ryzen 7 build:

Very nice!  DO want!

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Reply #2859 on: July 05, 2018, 06:36:37 PM

Ya that look super clean.  Just realized that mine is terrible now because it still has the optical drive bay areas.  So much extra wasted space.
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Reply #2860 on: July 05, 2018, 06:50:03 PM

So I finished up that Ryzen 7 build:

Very nice!  DO want!

Thanks!

Ya that look super clean.  Just realized that mine is terrible now because it still has the optical drive bay areas.  So much extra wasted space.

Thanks, and ya - it's been ages since the last time I used an optical drive in a PC, let alone installed one.  I bought a USB one a few years ago and have used it once to do a Windows installation for a friend.

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Reply #2861 on: July 05, 2018, 10:06:01 PM

How is the airflow from the front of the case?  Most of the cases I see with the solid fronts like that one tend to have really bad airflow and heat up.  Normally requires some static pressure fans for those cases.
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Reply #2862 on: July 05, 2018, 10:12:47 PM

How is the airflow from the front of the case?  Most of the cases I see with the solid fronts like that one tend to have really bad airflow and heat up.  Normally requires some static pressure fans for those cases.
I've been using one for over 10 years. It's fine as long as you lay things out well, do decent cable management, and have good cooling on individual parts. Only problem I ever really had was an evga 8800 gtx which was just due to evga's crappy cooling setup.

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Reply #2863 on: July 05, 2018, 10:14:17 PM

How is the airflow from the front of the case?  Most of the cases I see with the solid fronts like that one tend to have really bad airflow and heat up.  Normally requires some static pressure fans for those cases.

The right side of the case has a full-height filtered mesh panel that's about an inch or so long from front to back.  I haven't really been able to run it hard yet, but I suspect it'll be fine.

My primary gaming box is in a similar solid-front panel case with a pair of super-quiet 140mm fans behind it and runs as cool as the day is long, even with a moderate overclock on the CPU and GPU.

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Reply #2864 on: July 05, 2018, 11:21:00 PM

I just built a new Ryzen machine, will post pics this weekend.


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Reply #2865 on: July 12, 2018, 03:01:18 PM

NVIDIA has already released their next-gen architecture (Volta) but only in high-end cards. There's no announced date yet on the regular consumer line of cards but it's likely after Q2 this year (i.e. Q3 or Q4).

Edit: here's a review of the Titan V (the $3000 "consumer" Volta card):

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/20/nvidia_titan_v_video_card_gaming_review

That'll give you range where the "1180" might fall between the Titan V and the 1080 Ti.
Current rumor is they will be announced at Gamescom 2018, August 21.

https://www.digit.in/pc-components/nvidia-gtx-1180-expected-to-be-announced-at-gamescom-2018-42165.html
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Reply #2866 on: July 25, 2018, 08:07:39 PM

Would  this: XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition 1386MHz OC+, 8GB GDDR5, VR Ready, Dual BIOS, 3xDP HDMI DVI, AMD Graphics Card (RX-580P8DFD6) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_G1rwBbC479E24 be worth picking up if I am looking to get 3 years out of it? I donít do VR. I do have a FreeSync monitor (ultra wide).

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Reply #2867 on: July 25, 2018, 08:27:21 PM

You didn't specify the resolution of your monitor but assuming it's 2560x1080 then you probably won't get a solid 60 FPS on graphically intensive games without lowering some settings.

This isn't your exact card but it should be close enough in the benchmarks:

https://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_radeon_rx580_8gb_black_edition/

According to those benchmarks it has trouble hitting 60 FPS for many game on that list at a regular 1080p (1920 x 1080) so it'll be even worse on an ultra-wide.

Edit: more = worse
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Reply #2868 on: July 25, 2018, 09:17:42 PM

Thatís the resolution. Iím currently on a 760 GTX.  Life is pain.  awesome, for real

edit:

So, what would be a good card to go after? I may end up replacing everything but the storage, peripherals, and monitor (PSU might be OK, dunno); it's just the video card right now seems like the major bottleneck.

I could wait until the new cards drop, but I really don't want to spend more than $500 on a card. I realize that card prices could continue to drop as miners and manufacturers rush to dump stock.

Any anyone have an recommendations on a good middle of the road case ($100 or less)? Looking for something less bulky than my Fractal R4.  Doesn't need to have flashy lights or tempered glass (but please no plastic faux glass shit), but I do need something that filters dusk, has a decent amount of interior room (don't like cramped), and stays relatively cool/quiet.
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Reply #2869 on: July 26, 2018, 08:04:27 PM

Thatís the resolution. Iím currently on a 760 GTX.  Life is pain.  awesome, for real

edit:

So, what would be a good card to go after? I may end up replacing everything but the storage, peripherals, and monitor (PSU might be OK, dunno); it's just the video card right now seems like the major bottleneck.

I could wait until the new cards drop, but I really don't want to spend more than $500 on a card. I realize that card prices could continue to drop as miners and manufacturers rush to dump stock.

Any anyone have an recommendations on a good middle of the road case ($100 or less)? Looking for something less bulky than my Fractal R4.  Doesn't need to have flashy lights or tempered glass (but please no plastic faux glass shit), but I do need something that filters dusk, has a decent amount of interior room (don't like cramped), and stays relatively cool/quiet.

I bought my NZXT H500i (featured just a bit upthread)i for just under a bill.  The steel is a little thin, but it's fucking crazy good WRT cable management and has a solid tempered glass left-side panel.  If you don't want the fan/RGB controller (and honestly, the software for that is pretty crap), get the H500 and save $30-40.

As for a GPU, I'd suggest the 1070 right now.   Mine has been pretty great at 1440p, though I'm cheating a bit by using a GSync panel.
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