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Reply #2835 on: May 19, 2018, 12:25:46 AM

On paper, an i5 that old is about half the power of a latest generation i5, but...about half of that is because a latest generation i5 has more cores, which makes very little difference to games (few can properly use 2 cores, almost none gain much benefit from more), and most games are GPU bound and will happily run on any real desktop CPU from the last decade.

You'd  see more benefits from the RAM speed you could get from the mobo upgrade that would go with a new CPU than from the CPU itself, not to mention a modern NVME SSD. Moore's Law is effectively a dead letter for consumer CPU applications.

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EDIT: You'd also get USB 3.0, and some other goodies that only come with the chipsets for the last couple of CPU generations. But the CPU itself is not going to be much of an upgrade.
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Reply #2836 on: May 19, 2018, 12:46:54 AM

m.2 ssd for os
32gb ram
whatever on the rest
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Reply #2837 on: May 21, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

32GB RAM why? I was going to throw 16 in it and see about a second 16 if needed.

Any thoughts on optane?

I'm waffling between the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F I mentioned earlier and a MSI Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON, since I've been fairly happy with my MSI. Though I think my crashing issue was due to problems with the OC on that board, since it hasn't recurred since I went back to stock speeds.

I guess my main concerns are low power draw (without sacrificing performance), an M.2 shield (I don't like hot things), clean audio (optical spdif and headphone), and speed. I guess a good BIOS so I don't have to dick around too much with it. I'd like to OC the CPU a bit, given I'll put a 212 cooler on it (since I'll reuse my old case which may be a PITA for a water cooler).

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Reply #2838 on: May 22, 2018, 12:13:38 PM

Fair warning - I'm no motherboard expert.   

I was also looking at the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F, so if you still are, check out the ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E  (E not F).   From what I can tell - It's basically the same board but for $10 you get built in Wifi, Bluetooth and a second USB 3.1 controller for the front of the case connections, and a thermal sensor connection.

I had to stare at this nightmare of a page for awhile to try and figure it all out.
https://www.asus.com/us/Product-Compare/?products=JwLQlGA6fr7nw6Wy,klfkClhgxgVuMQ6D,iyrqvsPylXRKrsqR,J5gI4IJdkmAgKEpd&b=2
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Reply #2839 on: May 22, 2018, 01:06:37 PM

Ah, ok. I was under the impression it was just the wifi, and I have a good external antenna/adapter, and was just going to wire this version of my pc into the switch, since now I have Gb wired and whatnot.

Though I'm now considering a new case since my perusals have me thinking about a Noctua 140mm heat sink, which might need another 10-20mm depending on how far I have to lift the push fan to accommodate the RAM, since I can't find fast CL14 in a low profile package.

Good times. It's been forever, but most of the fun is in researching  DRILLING AND WOMANLINESS I've learned delidding is a thing.

edit: basically thinking about keeping the 970 and PSU from the current build

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Reply #2840 on: May 23, 2018, 08:57:18 AM

Ok, narrowing down a config. I really like the design of the Fractal Design S, big fan and minimal components. And since it sits in the living room, I like a nice clean finish and it would get rid of my awesome but ancient previous clean finish case that has some silver finish to it. Main downside I see on the S is the LEDs on the top front, I like the case to be dark. I see some electrical tape happening.

i7 8700K (for the lifespan of this machine, I'm not going to skimp $100 here)
G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK (I wanted CL14@3200)
SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2 2280 512GB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 2-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7P512BW (bumped this up, again not going to skimp a couple bucks here)
ASUS - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING (I just keep going back to this one, the M.2 heatsink and ability to put a 40mm cooler on the VRM heatsink)
Fractal Design Define S ATX case
Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans (plus maybe an additional pull fan on the back, but 2 is probably fine)
2x Noctua NH-D 14 PWM 140mm case fans (push/pull for the case, possibly one more pull. I like F-to-B so the top stays on)
1x Noctua A-Series NF-A4x10 FLX 40mm (for the VRM)
Win 10 Home 64 (since it's basically a new machine, I'll probably repurpose the old machine in the studio)

Carrying forward my MSI 970 4GB and Seasonic Prime Titanium 850. About $1300 total.

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Reply #2841 on: May 23, 2018, 04:33:26 PM

I prefer Corsair for RAM. A 2nd fan might not fit on the heat sink depending on the RAM height and motherboard layout. Otherwise looks good

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Reply #2842 on: May 23, 2018, 04:59:31 PM

I've been using gskill for a while, had one stick die (under warranty) but otherwise it's been solid (and that's over the 7 years since I built this iteration). So I'm ok with them, experientially.

But it's mostly because they have the lower latency 3200 modules. Not too worried about clearance, because the Noctua is supposed to allow for a bit of vertical movement on the pull fan and the case should have ample room to bump it up a couple dozen mm if needed.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Feeling pretty good about that setup, even if it's just a tech refresh and doesn't get me much tangible improvement for gaming (I feel minecraft will benefit from the cpu and ram speeds, though). Should keep it fresh until gpus become affordable again...

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Reply #2843 on: June 04, 2018, 07:52:17 PM

When are the happy days of cheap graphics cards, cheap RAM and happy smiling gamers coming back again? If only everything was like SSD prices. Hoping to stumble on some kind of mid-year super sale for a build/prebuilt.
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Reply #2844 on: June 04, 2018, 10:09:43 PM

When are the happy days of cheap graphics cards, cheap RAM and happy smiling gamers coming back again? If only everything was like SSD prices. Hoping to stumble on some kind of mid-year super sale for a build/prebuilt.

Not until the cryptocurrency chucklefucks all die of syphilis, apparently.

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Reply #2845 on: June 04, 2018, 10:20:48 PM

I think the current best way to upgrade your gpu is to buy a prebuilt gaming pc, pull the gpu and replace it with your current gpu, and reselll the PC.

Otherwise, don't buy higher res monitors and stick with older cards. My 4 yr old 970 is still a champ at 1080p, I decided to hold off upgrading for a few more years.

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Reply #2846 on: June 04, 2018, 11:12:29 PM

I think the current best way to upgrade your gpu is to buy a prebuilt gaming pc, pull the gpu and replace it with your current gpu, and reselll the PC.

Otherwise, don't buy higher res monitors and stick with older cards. My 4 yr old 970 is still a champ at 1080p, I decided to hold off upgrading for a few more years.

Ha, good idea. But unavailable to me because my current gaming PC is an Alienware Alpha, effectively a gaming laptop in a console-sized case with a HDMI port instead of a screen. It's hooked up to a 4K OLED TV, but I play everything in 1080p upscaled to 4K by the TV, because the Alpha lags in 4K. It's still pretty nice though (with a Roccat Sova couch gaming keyboard).

I want something capable of VR and actual 4K. I could build, but there are good prebuilt gaming deals within $100 of what I could do myself. Worth it for the warranty. Currently seeing i7 8700K, 16Gb, 500Gb NVMe SSD, 2TB HDD, 1080ti for A$2623 (about US$2k) but hoping for better deals later in June.
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Reply #2847 on: June 05, 2018, 09:02:54 AM

That's actually where I'm interested to see what happens: with so many people pushing VR but the miners commanding the gpu market, there is a huge bottleneck in the supply chain. Will crypto kill VR?

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Reply #2848 on: June 05, 2018, 09:38:46 AM

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Reply #2849 on: June 21, 2018, 01:19:17 AM

Report claims an OEM partner has returned 300,000 current generation GPUs to Nvidia, resulting in an inventory problem delaying next-gen GPUs and probably meaning an impending flood of current-gen GPUs at lower prices.

Edit: Also claims on Seeking Alpha (take with salt) that Nvidia is "aggressively buying GDDR5", suggesting they do indeed need to make boards out of this GPU glut.
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Reply #2850 on: June 21, 2018, 10:19:26 AM

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Reply #2851 on: June 21, 2018, 09:21:10 PM

So Newegg decided to sell Ryzen 1700 CPUs for $160 earlier today (for about ten minutes) - as a result, I have a new build to replace my aging HTPC (which will be relegated to NAS duty) in the works now.  Should be good times.

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Reply #2852 on: Today at 10:01:15 AM

Nice MisterNoisy! Were you on some sort of cpu pricing alert website or did you just happen to read the right reddit forum at the right time?

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something.

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