Patch 3.3

[AutomaticZen]

So, does this patch mean I can kill QH off?  Is that nifty map shit all WoW's work?

It does.  I was pleasantly surprised by the map and quest log.  There are even dungeon maps now.

[Musashi]

You should be able to easily do the regular 5man Icecrowns on normal with blues/greens.  I mean easily.  I guess you need to not be retarded.  I did it last night in a blue PvP set on my fresh new hunter, who was still using the heritage bow and boasting a whopping 2k DPS.  Also, I'm only barely not retarded on a Hunter.  That will get you ilvl 219 gear, which will be plenty, I assume not having done it, for heroic Icecrown 5man.

Also for the guy complaining about an hour clear and too much trash.  Dude I hate all trash.  But this is not too much trash.  You're just a pussy.

[Ingmar]

You should be able to easily do the regular 5man Icecrowns on normal with blues/greens.  I mean easily.  I guess you need to not be retarded.  I did it last night in a blue PvP set on my fresh new hunter, who was still using the heritage bow and boasting a whopping 2k DPS.  Also, I'm only barely not retarded on a Hunter.  That will get you ilvl 219 gear, which will be plenty, I assume not having done it, for heroic Icecrown 5man.

Also for the guy complaining about an hour clear and too much trash.  Dude I hate all trash.  But this is not too much trash.  You're just a pussy.

You're overstating it. There are spots on normal that will not be 'easy' for people in blue/green gear, especially if those people are the tank or healer. You could say that it would be easy to get carried through in blue/green gear as a non-tank/healer if the tank/healer are geared to a reasonable level, certainly, but these instances on normal are in the same difficulty zone as ToC on heroic, which can still cause problems for a fair amount of people.

[Delmania]

That attitude is getting worse it seems, and GS doesn't help any at all.  I logged on last night to do the fishing, cooking, and BG dailies, and people were spamming for Forge groups but you had to have a 5k GS and knowledge of the fights to participate.  As I said, I will put myself into the queue and fdo whatever dungeon pops, and if some random person griped about GS, I'll kindly remind him why I am there in the first place.

[Musashi]

You should be able to easily do the regular 5man Icecrowns on normal with blues/greens.  I mean easily.  I guess you need to not be retarded.  I did it last night in a blue PvP set on my fresh new hunter, who was still using the heritage bow and boasting a whopping 2k DPS.  Also, I'm only barely not retarded on a Hunter.  That will get you ilvl 219 gear, which will be plenty, I assume not having done it, for heroic Icecrown 5man.

Also for the guy complaining about an hour clear and too much trash.  Dude I hate all trash.  But this is not too much trash.  You're just a pussy.

You're overstating it. There are spots on normal that will not be 'easy' for people in blue/green gear, especially if those people are the tank or healer. You could say that it would be easy to get carried through in blue/green gear as a non-tank/healer if the tank/healer are geared to a reasonable level, certainly, but these instances on normal are in the same difficulty zone as ToC on heroic, which can still cause problems for a fair amount of people.

Maybe.  But after one go through without even killing the boss thanks to a bug, I got two drops and upped my DPS to a somewhat respectable 3K.  So you may have a hardish time the first go through.  But it is still a pug after all.

[Draegan]

I'm running out of time on Mal'Ganis with my trial RAF account.  I got my new main up to 22 with it, but I think I can eke out 3 more levels before RAF goes byebye.

Damn trial accounts keep get pushed to the end of the queue line.  Oh wellz.

[Montague]

Alright so my wife talked me into reupping my WoW account, but its been several months so I'm a bit out of the loop. I have a mix of Naxx and heroic gear - is there 5 mans for me to do, or do I go back to Naxx to gear up?

Also can anybody give me the 411 on PVE Ret paladining, anything change much from 3.0?

[proudft]

You've got your choice of running random heroic 5-mans for mostly triumph badges with some bonus frost badges, or the new 5-mans which drop Uld 10 gear on regular and even better stuff on heroic.

[jakonovski]

Great, 3.3 runs unplayably slowly on my 3.2GHz Phenom II x4, Radeon HD4890. I guess I'm not coming back after all.

[Soulflame]

I've cleared H Gundrak in 11 minutes.  I think the longest it takes, for a four boss instance, is maybe 20 minutes, and that's one with stupid slow-you-down mechanics like HoL or UP.  I think being annoyed about a two boss dungeon taking 20 minutes is warranted.

I'll be waiting to watch your tears when you hit HHoR though.  I hope you enjoy wiping!  (Bring CC, an AE healer, and a damn sharp tank.  Or don't even bother.  Oh, and be prepared to cleanse a multitude of debuffs, deal with silences, fears, etc.)

It will be delicious.

[Ingmar]

I'm pretty sure they have an entire forum for random dick waving over on the official site. 

[Musashi]

I'll be waiting to watch your tears when you hit HHoR though.  I hope you enjoy wiping!  (Bring CC, an AE healer, and a damn sharp tank.  Or don't even bother.  Oh, and be prepared to cleanse a multitude of debuffs, deal with silences, fears, etc.)

Gonna be a long wait.

[Rasix]

Heh, first heroic random yesterday: OK.  Heroic random today: Occ.  SOMEONE LOVES ME.

[jakonovski]

All the tough guys are gonna beat the HHoR?

[Morfiend]

You should be able to easily do the regular 5man Icecrowns on normal with blues/greens.  I mean easily.  I guess you need to not be retarded.  I did it last night in a blue PvP set on my fresh new hunter, who was still using the heritage bow and boasting a whopping 2k DPS.  Also, I'm only barely not retarded on a Hunter.  That will get you ilvl 219 gear, which will be plenty, I assume not having done it, for heroic Icecrown 5man.

Also for the guy complaining about an hour clear and too much trash.  Dude I hate all trash.  But this is not too much trash.  You're just a pussy.

I'm sorry but HoR on normal will destroy pugs of people in greens and blues. That last segment is brutal. My group is pretty decently geared and on vent, and it got dicey for a second there. Now Im not saying this is Vaelstraz or anything, but if the whole group is in greens and blues, its going to be REALLY hard to clear HoR.

[fuser]

Can you look for VoA raid cross realm if you don't hold Wintergrasp?

[Ingmar]

No cross realm for raids currently, just 5 mans.

[Soulflame]

I'm pretty sure they have an entire forum for random dick waving over on the official site. 

I'm pretty sure there's a place for people who've quit the game to whine at people who still play.

 

[AutomaticZen]

Great, 3.3 runs unplayably slowly on my 3.2GHz Phenom II x4, Radeon HD4890. I guess I'm not coming back after all.

That's all you.  Corei750 and same card.  No issues.  The lowest I get is 60fps in Dalaran.  Much higher everywhere else.

Our big issue in HHOR was one of the DPS thought he was a big dick and went to hit Arthas.  Dead as a doornail, so we had to four man the rest of the gauntlet.

[Musashi]

You should be able to easily do the regular 5man Icecrowns on normal with blues/greens.  I mean easily.  I guess you need to not be retarded.  I did it last night in a blue PvP set on my fresh new hunter, who was still using the heritage bow and boasting a whopping 2k DPS.  Also, I'm only barely not retarded on a Hunter.  That will get you ilvl 219 gear, which will be plenty, I assume not having done it, for heroic Icecrown 5man.

Also for the guy complaining about an hour clear and too much trash.  Dude I hate all trash.  But this is not too much trash.  You're just a pussy.

I'm sorry but HoR on normal will destroy pugs of people in greens and blues. That last segment is brutal. My group is pretty decently geared and on vent, and it got dicey for a second there. Now Im not saying this is Vaelstraz or anything, but if the whole group is in greens and blues, its going to be REALLY hard to clear HoR.

Like I said, we got cut off from the last part due to the server shitting itself, so you could be right.  But destroyed?  Come on.  The first two instances and the first part of the third were not that difficult.  Like not even at all.

In any event, the point I'm trying to make is not that it's so terribly easy a caveman could do it.  Rather that it's entry level content with good rewards.  And I think it is.  It bridges the gap between a fresh level 80 and the newer 10 mans.  In other words, I think it's completely plausible to go from a fresh 80 directly to these new 5 mans.

[jakonovski]

That's all you.  Corei750 and same card.  No issues.  The lowest I get is 60fps in Dalaran.  Much higher everywhere else.

Yeah, everything else I have, several dozen games, runs perfectly. I'm so not going to start hunting for a solution. I'll use my shitty laptop to run through the new instances and consider this a 13 euro lesson.

[Soulflame]

I haven't run normal yet, so I really can't comment for sure, but I will boldly state that going into heroic without an overgeared healer is a recipe for utter disaster.

In one of the heroics, there are mobs that AE the entire group for 7k damage every 5s or so.

My overall point, which I'll finally throw out because hey, I may as well state it.

I think it is utterly ridiculous to put higher healing demands in 5 man heroics (HToC, new ICC 5 mans) than there are in 25 man raid instances.  I should not be frantically hitting Holy Light, and praying I do not run out of mana, when I theoretically outgear an instance by 13 ilvls.  I cannot even imagine how another paladin, with say 226 or lower gear, would ever manage to heal this instance.

[K9]

A LOT of the damage in the new heroics is avoidable or manageable. Once you get it you the healing won't be so intense.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Don't all paladins get an aoe undead stun as well? Not to mention priest shackles, hunter traps.  Not to mentions misdirects, pet tanks, etc. None of the fights in the newest heroics are unreasonably hard(the lichking undead zerg is hard but rightly so) it's just that players have gotten incredibly lazy with the easy content of wotlk.  Players ignore boss mechanics, they ignore their own abilities in favor of 1.tank run in.  2.aoe spam 3. get out of fire.

Fights where you need to use more than three buttons does not = hard.  Take the raid instance, for instance  Some of the starter trash packs in there easily wipe raids unless you....wait for it.....have priests shackle! yes, shackle undead, a level what, 20 priest spell? You remember that don't you? I sure as hell do. Yet the button has been collecting dust since hell...maybe early bc maybe longer.

No you won't be doing the icecrown 5's in blues/greens but you arent meant to either. same as you arent meant to step into icc without having done at least ulduar. 

[Numtini]

I haven't done that many raids in WoW, most of my experience is in EQ2, but I don't find it odd in the least that a 5 or 6 man is harder to heal than a 24/25 raid. You're alone and usually it's all about healing. In a raid, you have some backup and there's usually a lot more to it than the healing.

[Merusk]

it's just that players have gotten incredibly lazy with the easy content of wotlk.  Players ignore boss mechanics, they ignore their own abilities in favor of 1.tank run in.  2.aoe spam 3. get out of fire.

This, times ten.  We had to actually think to kill the Godfather of Souls and the Soul Devourer last night and we were like "wtf dude..." at first.  Then thinking about it we had fun instead of mindlessly zerging yet ANOTHER dungeon we way outgeared. 

The wipes on trash up to the first boss were lulzworthy.  We learned that "run in, aoe shit down" wasn't a valid tactic anymore and we had to plan.  Best time I've had in a while, despite all the wipes.  The bosses are pretty fun, despite being a challenge as well.

[Simond]

That attitude is getting worse it seems, and GS doesn't help any at all.  I logged on last night to do the fishing, cooking, and BG dailies, and people were spamming for Forge groups but you had to have a 5k GS and knowledge of the fights to participate.  As I said, I will put myself into the queue and fdo whatever dungeon pops, and if some random person griped about GS, I'll kindly remind him why I am there in the first place.

The people still spamming "lfg" in trade are the ones sitting around with a thumb up their arse while sensible people are rolling the dice on the random lfg tool and running the instances already.

Of course, it helps if you're a healer or tank. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I ran three instances tonight on random for the extra badges and it wasn't bad at all. Though one ret paladin tried rolling on a caster trinket and i nearly jumped through the internet to choke him before he gave it to me.

[JWIV]

Ran through a few more today.  Ran into a complete retard tank that quit before we could kick him.  Also ran into an instance where the people were very nice and had been very obviously carried to get the gear they had.  Still though over all I am loving this.

[Musashi]

I PUGed all three heroic ICC 5 mans today.  Not one dude was over 3k DPS.  We had a Shaman healer who was just as badly geared as I was.  The tank had Uld 10 gear.  It's just not that bad, guys.  You need to cc in the beginning/gauntlet area of the final dungeon.  That's pretty much it.  I'm not gonna sit here and say there weren't wipes.  There were.  But I mean come on.  It's a pug.  In three weeks everyone will have figured out the fights, and pugging this shit will be easy.  I think some of the frustration people here are having is just due to this being new. 



Also, purple rain.

Double also, the music in the first wing is  .

[Selby]

Well I for one like the LFG tool.  And I like the ICC raid.  The gunship battle is my favorite so far.  The boss fights are considerably more about skill this time (avoiding fire, add management) than it is about how fast you can DPS to beat some enrage timer (ToC).  All of the fights with timers we had 3-4m left when the boss died.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Saurfang is very much a dps race but in a weird way. such that the more precise you are, the less actual dps check it is.  gunship though is easily the best fight so far...not incredibly hard but damned fun.

[Morfiend]

I PUGed all three heroic ICC 5 mans today.  Not one dude was over 3k DPS.  We had a Shaman healer who was just as badly geared as I was.  The tank had Uld 10 gear. 

I wasnt saying that is super hard, just that you do need some existing gear, making these not into level dungeons. If a full group hits HoR in a mix of green and blue gear, they will fail unless they are a very high quality of player.

I really really like the 3 new 5 mans. I'm glad they are a little harder and require some gear and thought.

[apocrypha]

The people still spamming "lfg" in trade are the ones sitting around with a thumb up their arse while sensible people are rolling the dice on the random lfg tool and running the instances already.

Of course, it helps if you're a healer or tank. 

Absolutely. Luckily the ignore list has been increased to 50 so the /2 LFG'ers are rapidly disappearing from *my* wow 

We had the "1000s of people coming back to wow to check out the new shinies" effect start impacting the server last night. By about 8pm it became impossible to launch more instances, but by that time I had managed 3 separate 1-1.5 hour sessions of 2 random dungeons each throughout the day with never more than a 2-3 minute wait, so I was happy. Got my "Epic" achievement after the last run and today I plan to check out either the first part of ICC or the weekly raid (EoE, which I've never done!). Much fun, very very happy with this patch.

[Sjofn]

I've cleared H Gundrak in 11 minutes.  I think the longest it takes, for a four boss instance, is maybe 20 minutes, and that's one with stupid slow-you-down mechanics like HoL or UP.  I think being annoyed about a two boss dungeon taking 20 minutes is warranted.

I'll be waiting to watch your tears when you hit HHoR though.  I hope you enjoy wiping!  (Bring CC, an AE healer, and a damn sharp tank.  Or don't even bother.  Oh, and be prepared to cleanse a multitude of debuffs, deal with silences, fears, etc.)

It will be delicious.

No, I'm pretty sure bitching about not being able to clear a two boss heroic that drops the loot it drops in 20 minute is just that. Bitching.

I did indeed spend a lot of time wiping in HHoR tonight. My cheeks remain dry, however. This reminds me of the wailing about heroic MgT back when that was brandy dandy new. My God, we have to think?! BLIZZARD YOU SUCK OMG


EDIT: Also yeah, Wipefest 2009 was partly due to crappy CCing, some not paying attention to OW WTF IS HITTING ME AUGH, the healer not having healed a 5 man in a billion jillion years (I'm not gonna say which is easier, but I think they're pretty clearly different styles), etc. Plus I sux at tank.