Patch 3.3

[Megrim]

Someone on Wowhead raised a good point that pretty much confirms this.  How can there be new death knights if there is no Lich King to raise them?

Because I want to do a fantasy reinactment of Underworld, only Kate Beckingsale gets to be the hybrid and I get to pretend to be her.

Also what Nevermore said.

I read that as 'and I get to penetrate her'. This is what happens when i don't have coffee.

I feel the warp overtaking me. It is a good pain.

[Ashamanchill]

For actually going to wowwiki, looking up game dialogue, pasting it into this thread as part of a debate, and provoking another disgruntled post from Rasix, I bestow upon Sjofn the rank of Apprentice Nerd-Warrior. Congratulations. To continue up the ranks I recommend developing strong opinions on which quarter-century old RPGs ripped what off from who, and the relative combat capabilities of an Imperial Star Destroyer versus the starship Enterprise.

Wouldn't we be better off comparing the Star Destroyer and the Defiant? as the latter is at least exclusively geared towards war like the former.

[proudft]

And so it begins....   

[K9]

Incoming   

[WindupAtheist]

Wouldn't we be better off comparing the Star Destroyer and the Defiant? as the latter is at least exclusively geared towards war like the former.

Doesn't matter. You can make it the Defiant and the Enterprise at the same time, with one free hour to fire their guns into the Star Destroyer's shields unopposed, and it won't make any difference. They're just in different leagues. One is a galaxy-spanning civilization that's had FTL travel for tens of thousands of years, the other is a regional power that's had it for a couple centuries tops.

I forget all the details, but basically Trek whips stuff like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, and whatever stupid-ass spaceships Battletech has. Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, and Dune are all a full league up and roughly comparable to each other. Then stuff like Dr. Who, The Culture, and a few other things from books I don't immediately recall are several leagues up from everyone else.

Trek versus Wars used to be THE nerdfight topic, but it pretty much died off years ago after being as close to settled as something like that is going to get.

[Musashi]

We need a 'ITT: WUA is the Nerd King' thread.  I don't know how much more of this I can take.  I submit to you, humbly, that he knew exactly what he was doing when he brought up Star Wars vs. Star Trek in a World of Warcraft Patch thread.  I hazard this post may only contribute to his perverse thread incoherence obsession if not taken as a serious plea to those out there with both Da Powah and the human emotion of Compassion.  Please.  If you're out there, save us from the bad man.

 

[Nevermore]

Wouldn't we be better off comparing the Star Destroyer and the Defiant? as the latter is at least exclusively geared towards war like the former.

Doesn't matter. You can make it the Defiant and the Enterprise at the same time, with one free hour to fire their guns into the Star Destroyer's shields unopposed, and it won't make any difference. They're just in different leagues. One is a galaxy-spanning civilization that's had FTL travel for tens of thousands of years, the other is a regional power that's had it for a couple centuries tops.

Pokes the hornet's nest.

And yet it was still possible for some nimrod to single-handedly take out a Super Star Destroyer by crashing his 30' fighter into it. 

[Megrim]

Wouldn't we be better off comparing the Star Destroyer and the Defiant? as the latter is at least exclusively geared towards war like the former.

Doesn't matter. You can make it the Defiant and the Enterprise at the same time, with one free hour to fire their guns into the Star Destroyer's shields unopposed, and it won't make any difference. They're just in different leagues. One is a galaxy-spanning civilization that's had FTL travel for tens of thousands of years, the other is a regional power that's had it for a couple centuries tops.

I forget all the details, but basically Trek whips stuff like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, and whatever stupid-ass spaceships Battletech has. Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, and Dune are all a full league up and roughly comparable to each other. Then stuff like Dr. Who, The Culture, and a few other things from books I don't immediately recall are several leagues up from everyone else.

Trek versus Wars used to be THE nerdfight topic, but it pretty much died off years ago after being as close to settled as something like that is going to get.

Actually, i'd be interested to know how stuff from Dr. Who would compare.

[Lantyssa]

Dr. Who has all of time and space.  It could pull out anything, including SSDs or Borg Cubes.  It could also go back and mercifully stop this derail from happening in the first place.

[WindupAtheist]

And yet it was still possible for some nimrod to single-handedly take out a Super Star Destroyer by crashing his 30' fighter into it.  

I shall let this pass without comment because I am a sane and non-geeky individual.

Wait, I lied. You know you can't resist clicking the spoiler tag. But be warned, this way lies madness and I shall not be held accountable.


Edit: Also, I don't know anything about Dr. Who really. I just know that pretty much anything involved with it ranks way above anything else we're talking about here, based on nerd consensus from fights I didn't take part in.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Still more interesting than wow lore fights.

[Lantyssa]

Wait, I lied. You know you can't resist clicking the spoiler tag. But be warned, this way lies madness and I shall not be held accountable.

Weapon 5, Primary Shield, Secondary Shield, Engines to make it easier, then BOOM!

[WindupAtheist]

I don't get it.

[AutomaticZen]

Doesn't matter. You can make it the Defiant and the Enterprise at the same time, with one free hour to fire their guns into the Star Destroyer's shields unopposed, and it won't make any difference. They're just in different leagues. One is a galaxy-spanning civilization that's had FTL travel for tens of thousands of years, the other is a regional power that's had it for a couple centuries tops.

That's not even going into the fact that they have Interdictor's for pulling ships out of warp, Super Star Destroyers like the Executor, and Legacy-era Pellaeon-class SDs. 

Plus, turbolasers.  Who needs 'phasers' when you have turbolasers?!

[Merusk]

Wait, I lied. You know you can't resist clicking the spoiler tag. But be warned, this way lies madness and I shall not be held accountable.

Weapon 5, Primary Shield, Secondary Shield, Engines to make it easier, then BOOM!

Is that an X-wing vs TIE fighter reference I see before me?

[WindupAtheist]

Anyway, they're having Lay on Hands cause Repentance. Cocksuckers. The "paladins are always overpowered no matter what they nerf" crowd on the forum is already visibly searching for what to bitch about next.

[Musashi]

Perhaps they have an opinion on La Forge vs. Sulu?

[AutomaticZen]

Anyway, they're having Lay on Hands cause Repentance. Cocksuckers. The "paladins are always overpowered no matter what they nerf" crowd on the forum is already visibly searching for what to bitch about next.

It hurts, but I'll survive.  Better than not being able to use it on myself.   It's the choice between, less damage to give the healer time to heal, or a full heal because the healer's probably dead.

Perhaps they have an opinion on La Forge vs. Sulu?

Sulu all the way.  The man's impossibly ripped and a fencer.  LaForge is blind and a bit doughy.

[Ashamanchill]

Wouldn't we be better off comparing the Star Destroyer and the Defiant? as the latter is at least exclusively geared towards war like the former.

Doesn't matter. You can make it the Defiant and the Enterprise at the same time, with one free hour to fire their guns into the Star Destroyer's shields unopposed, and it won't make any difference. They're just in different leagues. One is a galaxy-spanning civilization that's had FTL travel for tens of thousands of years, the other is a regional power that's had it for a couple centuries tops.

I forget all the details, but basically Trek whips stuff like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, and whatever stupid-ass spaceships Battletech has. Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, and Dune are all a full league up and roughly comparable to each other. Then stuff like Dr. Who, The Culture, and a few other things from books I don't immediately recall are several leagues up from everyone else.

Trek versus Wars used to be THE nerdfight topic, but it pretty much died off years ago after being as close to settled as something like that is going to get.

You're absolutely right. I just didn't want to be left out of all this nerd action.

[Fordel]

BattleTech spaceships, outside of the FTL JumpDrive, are things we could probably make TODAY if cost was no issue.

[Jayce]

Anyway, they're having Lay on Hands cause Repentance. Cocksuckers. The "paladins are always overpowered no matter what they nerf" crowd on the forum is already visibly searching for what to bitch about next.

Forbearance.

[Sjofn]

The problem with the Star Wars versus Star Trek thing is it's comparing a fantasy setting to a sci fi one. Star Wars, for all its robuts and spaceships, is much more a fantasy than sci fi.

[Lantyssa]

I don't get it.

It's the simplified take down method of the Corvette for the Ace mission in Jump to Lightspeed.

[Ratman_tf]

Ditch the Feds. All you need to beat the Empire is some of these guys.

[WindupAtheist]

The problem with the Star Wars versus Star Trek thing is it's comparing a fantasy setting to a sci fi one.

Totally, what with the noble humans and their stalwart but aloof pointy-eared allies the Elves Vulcans, the sinister and secretive cousins of those allies the Dark Elves Romulans, the proud and warlike Orcs Klingons, the short greedy Goblins Ferengi, and the shambling ashen-skinned legions of the Undead Borg who won't rest until everyone else has been forcibly converted to their ranks.

Wait, which was which again? 

[Sjofn]

Star Trek tries to explain its technology, and shows advancement of said technology. It talks about who invented what foozle and when and how cool that was blah blah blah. Star Wars, all its tech basically sprung fully formed from Zeus' head, no one talks about how any of it works, and there is not as much of a WOO TECH ADVANCE focus, even when it's something like HOLY SHIT STUPID CLONE ARMY or OMG DEATHSTAR. How many thousands of years before the movies does KotOR happen? It's barely different tech-wise. It's not stuck in some fakey middle ages kingdom like fantasy is USUALLY set in, but it is stuck pretty much in the same time period no matter WHEN it is actually happening.

Star Wars isn't elfy fantasy, but it is fantasy.

[Ingmar]

Plus, you know. Magic and swordfighting.

[Sjofn]

Yeah true, the magic using sword dudes are somehow more powerful than the blaster people.

[WindupAtheist]

Yeah, Star Wars is definitely fantasy and doesn't really pretend otherwise. But Trek has way too many mind-readers, possessions, demigods, and people getting transported to Sherwood Forest for me to take the "Oh but this is real sci-fi" angle too seriously no matter how many times they work the word "quantum" into a given script.

[Sjofn]

Well, I never said it was good sci fi. 

[Fordel]

We need to reverse the polarities on this thread!

[WindupAtheist]

BUT SHE CANNA TAKE MUCH MORE O' THIS!

[Megrim]

And yet it was still possible for some nimrod to single-handedly take out a Super Star Destroyer by crashing his 30' fighter into it.  

I shall let this pass without comment because I am a sane and non-geeky individual.

Wait, I lied. You know you can't resist clicking the spoiler tag. But be warned, this way lies madness and I shall not be held accountable.


Edit: Also, I don't know anything about Dr. Who really. I just know that pretty much anything involved with it ranks way above anything else we're talking about here, based on nerd consensus from fights I didn't take part in.

Dammit, i was hoping to get a Dr. Who nerd in here so that they could explain the whole thing to me. I can't find an easy/cheap way to watch the series from the beginning so i'm trying to find other means.

[Ironwood]

Suffice to say Dr Who takes in the whole of Time, Space, Technology and Multiple realities.

The TARDIS is the most trivial of their technology and it is pretty much a living God.

So, yeah, he can take on a Star Destroyer or Death Star with a Sonic Screwdriver.

[SurfD]

Star Trek tries to explain its technology, and shows advancement of said technology. It talks about who invented what foozle and when and how cool that was blah blah blah. Star Wars, all its tech basically sprung fully formed from Zeus' head, no one talks about how any of it works, and there is not as much of a WOO TECH ADVANCE focus, even when it's something like HOLY SHIT STUPID CLONE ARMY or OMG DEATHSTAR. How many thousands of years before the movies does KotOR happen? It's barely different tech-wise. It's not stuck in some fakey middle ages kingdom like fantasy is USUALLY set in, but it is stuck pretty much in the same time period no matter WHEN it is actually happening.

Star Wars isn't elfy fantasy, but it is fantasy.

Star Trek sort of has to explain it's technology.  You can't really get away from that in a series that has HUNDREDS of hour long episodes, and where major plot developments often REVOLVE around said technology and how it works (often multiple times in a given episode).

Starwars, on the other hand (at least for the first 3 movies) never really bothers to explain it's technology because the technology is never the focus of the show.  That, and I always looked at starwars tech to be somewhat the same as WH 40k tech, in that the tech was sort of "stuck" in a cycle, where no one really builds new shit because the empire controls everything and it is focused more on "repair and reuse" then "re-invent and revolutionize".