Patch 3.3

[Simond]

Only Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep are getting heroic modes.

...at expansion launch. What, you don't think they'll add in more old-world heroics in 4.1, 4.2, etc?

[Draegan]

There is no lack of immersion for not "running to the instance". 

[Sjofn]

Only Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep are getting heroic modes.

...at expansion launch. What, you don't think they'll add in more old-world heroics in 4.1, 4.2, etc?

Given they kept repeating a billion times that they were not planning on doing heroic versions of anything but those two for the foreseeable future, I would not be surprised if they do not, in fact, add in more old-world heroics in 4.1, 4.2, etc. They weren't even couching it in "Nothing is set in stone, of course, but ..." They were just straight up saying, "No."

[Zetor]

Heroic Gnomeregan. That is all.

An aside... I've been running the new heroics every day on my druid tank (sometimes my priest healer too), and have only seen the battered hilt drop twice. Both times it was won by someone else from my server who put it up on the AH for 18k and/or started spamming trade immediately after the run. 

(yeah, I know, do guild runs, pugs are pugs, etc.)

[Musashi]

Fill me in.  Heroic level 80 Deadmines?  Or Heroic level 20 Deadmines?

[Fabricated]

My sub was due to run out in a few days. I was going to let it lapse. Then the new LFG tool came crashing in through a plate glass window on a motorcycle, dramatically took off its sunglasses, and went "Oh no you don't motherfucker!"

The heroic Icecrown instances give you a taste of what it's like to raid too since they're harder than Naxx, Sarth, Malygos, ToC, and a bit of Ulduar. No really, not "lol l33t raider" talk either. If you're good enough to not die during the ICC5 series, you're plenty good enough to do the first 3 tiers of raiding in Wrath.

[Jayce]

An aside... I've been running the new heroics every day on my druid tank (sometimes my priest healer too), and have only seen the battered hilt drop twice. Both times it was won by someone else from my server who put it up on the AH for 18k and/or started spamming trade immediately after the run. 

IMO everyone should roll need on it.  18-30k gold can be used by everyone.  Even hunters.

[K9]

My sub was due to run out in a few days. I was going to let it lapse. Then the new LFG tool came crashing in through a plate glass window on a motorcycle, dramatically took off its sunglasses, and went "Oh no you don't motherfucker!"

The heroic Icecrown instances give you a taste of what it's like to raid too since they're harder than Naxx, Sarth, Malygos, ToC, and a bit of Ulduar. No really, not "lol l33t raider" talk either. If you're good enough to not die during the ICC5 series, you're plenty good enough to do the first 3 tiers of raiding in Wrath.

Malygos is harder; but for different reasons I'd say.

Fill me in.  Heroic level 80 Deadmines?  Or Heroic level 20 Deadmines?

Heroic level 85 deadmines.

[Draegan]

All The Ninja Raiders...

I HAVE to be bloodworthing this but just in case...

[WindupAtheist]

Man, bullshit like that song/video just makes me like the game less.

[Lakov_Sanite]

song is stupid but the chorus is catchy as all hell

[Evildrider]

song is stupid but the chorus is catchy as all hell

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[Mattemeo]

My first attempt at using the Random Dungeon/PuG system and my group gets landed with an off-server DK 'tank' who suicides on the first mobs in Gundrak while everyone's loading in, drops from the team leaving his mess, successfully griefing the rest of us. Seems to me all this new system has done is make it even easier for people to be giant dickbags.

[WindupAtheist]

I don't think you get the deserter debuff if you drop party while dead. Oculus and the jousting one are both suicide-and-quit for me if that's the case. Fucking vehicle shit.

[Rendakor]

I'd rather spend 15 minutes staring at a debuff and watching it slowly tick down than ever enter Oculus again.

[Merusk]

Occulus has been nerfed so bad my undergeared priest was able to handle it without a problem.  The vehicle fight is also fairly simple, but yeah, still a stupid ass mechanic for a boss fight.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I don't think you get the deserter debuff if you drop party while dead. Oculus and the jousting one are both suicide-and-quit for me if that's the case. Fucking vehicle shit.

Oculus I understand but toc is so fucking easy and quick I can't see how you would pass on it, jousting mechanic being shitty(and I whole-heartedly agree it is) isn't enough to tarnish easy loot/badges.

[Arrrgh]

I don't think you get the deserter debuff if you drop party while dead. Oculus and the jousting one are both suicide-and-quit for me if that's the case. Fucking vehicle shit.

Oculus I understand but toc is so fucking easy and quick I can't see how you would pass on it, jousting mechanic being shitty(and I whole-heartedly agree it is) isn't enough to tarnish easy loot/badges.

I've yet to see a group wipe on the jousting, and it's over in a few minutes.

Occulus makes me wish you could put instances on ignore.

[K9]

I did Oculus today for the first time since close to release.

It is really fucking easy now.

[Simond]

Seriously, if you can get a group that doesn't immediately implode and spend thirty seconds explaining the fights (if needed), Oculus is more or less a walk in the park now.

[Merusk]

I don't think you get the deserter debuff if you drop party while dead. Oculus and the jousting one are both suicide-and-quit for me if that's the case. Fucking vehicle shit.

Oculus I understand but toc is so fucking easy and quick I can't see how you would pass on it, jousting mechanic being shitty(and I whole-heartedly agree it is) isn't enough to tarnish easy loot/badges.

It's weird. These days I'd say TOC is actually worse than Occ, because of the fucking jousting lag that has never been fixed.  I've had groups wipe on the first segment of jousting (before even getting to jousting the 3 guys you have to kill) but not a single PUG I've had in Occ has had problems. 

[Musashi]

Also if a random dickbag leaves the party immediately, you just have to have the leader re-queue.  I'm not sure if the thing puts a priority on filling groups in progress, but it's never been a very long wait for me.

[Ironwood]

Guys, Occulus is easy.  However, it's colour scheme is awful, it makes no sense whatsoever and the fights are just total fuckteases of no reason.

I mean, why the fuck do I have to poke that guy 4 times for him to release ghostly animals like some fucking odd Pinata and THEN smack his bitch up ?

It's a shit instance.

[Soulflame]

Go for a random heroic on my newly minted 80 druid, zone into H Gundrak, and one of the DPS starts going off about how we're all douchebags and he's in a hurry.  Okay, whatever, I hardly care.  He continues his verbal barrage up to the first pull

Tank does the first pull, the DPS (a rogue) stealths into the first room, pulls the other two packs, and the boss.  I do my poor best to heal this, but there's no possible way I can pull it off, so we wipe.  Verbal barrage continues.  Tank leaves the group.  I announce that eating the deserter debuff is worth not carrying this rogue, and also leave group.

My enthusiasm for the random lfg tool is considerably dimmed.

[Tannhauser]

You're blaming the tool instead of the players?  I had a group with a warrior who would NOT stop jumping.  Had a warlock that liked to roll Need.  But that was the worst of it.  Frankly, I can't believe the groups are as good as they are;  this system lets assholes grief/ninja and drop back to their own server scot free.

[Soulflame]

I'm blaming the players because there's no way to filter out jackasses that will intentionally grief groups, and then let them go back to their servers unscathed.  Although that's probably not clear from the other post.

And another failed group.  Tank decides to not pull the patrolling spiders right inside the entrance of HOK, one of them wanders by, aggros on me, I die, group wipes.  Tank disbands, a DPS disbands, so I just bail.

Yeah, the tool is awesome.  People?  Not so much.

At least I only had an 11 minute debuff this time.  I should look up the mechanics of the deserter debuff, because it doesn't seem to be terribly consistent on being applied.

[K9]

On the flip side, you do get some awesome groups.

Redid HoR hc today on my priest having it done two or three times now on my Shaman. It's not even funny how much easier it is on a priest than a shaman.

[Ingmar]

I've had probably a better than 90% success rate at finding good groups with it, I'm happy.

[Soulflame]

I'm batting 40% success rate today, and the last one was by the skin of our teeth.  Idiot mage decides to talk to Arthas while everyone else is making sure the dragon was gone.  I'm not sure how they managed to finish it (I died twice because of the tank not holding aggro.)

I don't care how "viable" dual wield dks may be in theory.  The worst tanks I've had have uniformly been dual wield dks.

[Merusk]

After watching two DWing Dks with decent amounts of health (41k) and def (465) go Splatter in very few hits from the mobs in PoS, I'm inclined to agree.

[JWIV]

I had a few groups today and they were definitely worse than normal.  I'm blaming the holidays.  That said, the good groups have still far outnumbered the idiots.   On a side note - are fuckers so used to being carried that anyone not in full Tier 9 is undergeared for Drak Keep? I'm in a mix of 187/200/219/232 gear on my  Resto spec shaman and this dipshit dual wield DK is worried about me being able to heal. FFS it's Drak Keep not HOR.

[Arrrgh]

After watching two DWing Dks with decent amounts of health (41k) and def (465) go Splatter in very few hits from the mobs in PoS, I'm inclined to agree.

Can you link their armories? I'm sorry you people ran into some dipshits but there's nothing inherently bad about dual wield tanking. They probably have other issues.

[Shrike]

There's nothing inherently good about them either. There is no advantage over a 2h DK, regardless of tree.

Worse, the whole DW thing seems to attract bozos. The absolutely worst tanks I've personally had the misfortune to group with have all been DW DKs. The class attracts FotM idiots anyway, but the majoriy of those seem to think DW is cool, so you have the trainwreck we see today. My best advice is to shun them and let them know why.

I do know one DW DK that actually is competent. I have my doubts that he's actually better than he would be swinging a 2hander, but at least he can tank. He's one of three I've ever encountered in the last year of WoW. The other score or so were clownshoes--either they blew up when hit hard, couldn't hold aggro with a prayer, or both. Why Blizz retains this foolishness in the frost tree is beyond me. It's nothing but trouble.

[Merusk]

After watching two DWing Dks with decent amounts of health (41k) and def (465) go Splatter in very few hits from the mobs in PoS, I'm inclined to agree.

Can you link their armories? I'm sorry you people ran into some dipshits but there's nothing inherently bad about dual wield tanking. They probably have other issues.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackhand&n=Zarrul

That's the only one whose name I remember.  The other guy was when I was DPSing and he'd go splat, then I'd wind up picking up aggro.  I was off on the defense, I see, but I remember his health was 41k buffed with Druid & Priest buffs because I went "wha?" when I saw half his life bar go away.

[Arrrgh]

Looks solid. There are some rough pulls in PoS. Those two groups of hellfire spammers just up the hill from Ick will kill my tank in seconds if the healer isn't on their toes.