Guild Wars 2

[Koyasha]

I do think it had some annoyances, but yeah, no forced click to move ever.  And moving via WASD wasn't tremendously clunky like in L2 or something, either.

[Draegan]

I havnt played in years but I do remember that the wasd movement wasn't smooth.  Something was off on it but its been too long to say what it was.

[KallDrexx]

I havnt played in years but I do remember that the wasd movement wasn't smooth.  Something was off on it but its been too long to say what it was.

Probably the fact that space was autoattack, so you'd accidentally hit space and your character would start running towards the person you had targeted.

[Numtini]

I always thought click to move made sense in a game like GW where you're always zoomed way out.

[Ratman_tf]

I havnt played in years but I do remember that the wasd movement wasn't smooth.  Something was off on it but its been too long to say what it was.

WASD in Guild Wars was(is?) very soupy. Like keyboard turning in other MMORPGS times 3 or 4.

[Nevermore]

It feels that way because you can't change the default turn speed, which is very slow.

[Draegan]

That could be it.

[Modern Angel]

Scuttlebutt is that GW2 is being demoed at PAX. There are a lot of signs pointing to a release not super long from now. I sort of like that there's no release date yet even though it seems to be in a pretty advanced state.

[Ollie]

They'll be at PAX Seattle, though Germans get a peek even before September, apparently. According to Chris Lye, ArenaNet will unveil their first hands-on public demo at Gamescom in Cologne, Germany on August 19th.

No E3 presence, though.

[Cheddar]

Very interesting...

[Draegan]

http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/68524/PC/Guild-Wars-2/Gameplay/Guild-Wars-2-Warriors

That looks fun. 

[Aez]

They are tough motherfuckers, taking all those heavy hits like it's nothing.

[Fordel]

GuildWars 2 makes me want to believe!

[DLRiley]

They are tough motherfuckers, taking all those heavy hits like it's nothing.

Well the warrior in guild wars 1 has the highest armor, making stacking him with healing/defense oriented skills pretty worthless in pvp and medicore in pve. Instead warriors sported the highest dps in the game.

[Tarami]

That went way above your head, didn't it?

[DLRiley]

You know that rush skill looks like rush + bullstrike on visual steroids. Probably has a large damage number + a 1 knockdown at the end... I hate to be the monk being yelled at to keep those warriors from fucking your team sideways.

[HaemishM]

http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/68524/PC/Guild-Wars-2/Gameplay/Guild-Wars-2-Warriors

That looks fun. 

BOING!

[Draegan]

Traits explained.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/traits-overview/

[DLRiley]

Either they neglected to mention the negative side effect of frenzy or they made it very noob friendly. also the max number of attributes you can use(20) limited most effective builds to 3 attributes line for any given build. Meaning that if you put points into half the attributes lines available you won't dilute your character... anyway i think that confirms how un-customizable the weapons are. Buying guild wars 2 to say fuck you to every mmo that still treats rerolling attributes as a sin against god? Worth it.

[Draegan]

I just like the attitude that's coming across all of the posts is that they want you to try different builds and they want to make it easy for you to do that.  I like the idea of respeccing on the fly anywhere and at no cost.

[Typhon]

GuildWars 2 makes me want to believe!

lol, god help me, me too!

[pxib]

It is amazing how much I hate those voice clips already.

[Brogarn]

http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/68524/PC/Guild-Wars-2/Gameplay/Guild-Wars-2-Warriors

That looks fun. 

Very nice looking!

[Nebu]

Traits explained.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/traits-overview/

I may be the odd man out, but I always hated the trait concept.  It was a combination of Pokemon "gotta catch em all" with major build micromanagement for each zone/encounter.   It's almost like a CCG meets MMO.  You have all these cool abilities, but you can only ever take a subset with you.  It makes me miss the 6 action bars worth of options I have in other games.   

[Lantyssa]

I hate, hate, hate having endless skill bars.  It always makes me feel like I'm inferior for only being able to handle 5-6 abilities.  It's a system that works well for me, and I'm glad there is a game balanced around it.

[Cheddar]

I hate, hate, hate having endless skill bars.  It always makes me feel like I'm inferior for only being able to handle 5-6 abilities.  It's a system that works well for me, and I'm glad there is a game balanced around it.

This.

[kildorn]

I'm far too cynical. Every time GW2 announces some neat feature, I slide more into "it'll never be released" or "Age of Conan/Warhammer 2.0 here we come!"

I want to believe, but I've been burned too often! 

[Draegan]

Traits explained.

http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/combat/traits-overview/

I may be the odd man out, but I always hated the trait concept.  It was a combination of Pokemon "gotta catch em all" with major build micromanagement for each zone/encounter.   It's almost like a CCG meets MMO.  You have all these cool abilities, but you can only ever take a subset with you.  It makes me miss the 6 action bars worth of options I have in other games.   

Ugh, 6 action bars of options?  No thanks.  I'll take 5-6 with a few situationals with Lanty

[DLRiley]

But funcum and mythic has a history of making medicore mmo's and areanet has a history of making good games.

[Draegan]

Well ArenaNet is one for one I guess.

[Typhon]

If the game got better with every expansion, you probably should give them more credit then just 1 for 1.

Not having played any of the expansions, I wouldn't know firsthand, but they seemed well recieved.

[Draegan]

To be fair I give Blizzard 1 for 1 in the mmog department.

[DLRiley]

To be fair I give Blizzard 1 for 1 in the mmog department.

good game >> good mmog

[Zetor]

If the game got better with every expansion, you probably should give them more credit then just 1 for 1.

Not having played any of the expansions, I wouldn't know firsthand, but they seemed well recieved.

Yeah I think the expansions were steadily improving as well (the original campaign looks a bit dated nowadays, though playing "Undead Lich" and Prince Rurik-related drinking games is always fun  ) and introduced new kinds of content without obsoleting older stuff. Having a near-flat character power curve really really helps, imo.

The weakest point is probably Eye of the North.. it's not a bad expansion (mission pack? whatever) but it's kind of on the grindy side with title tracks that you grind to grind your title tracks, dawg.

[Nebu]

The weakest point is probably Eye of the North.. it's not a bad expansion (mission pack? whatever) but it's kind of on the grindy side with title tracks that you grind to grind your title tracks, dawg.

I bought that expansion.  Funny thing is that by the time I finished getting skills and gearing up my two mains to do it, I was bored with the game and left.  I have yet to play the expansion.