Cataclysm

[Ingmar]

They won't make anything that requires a critical mass of players (like a BG queue) a premium feature, I think.

[Paelos]

So who is going to be the next good guy turns raid boss because old gods/demons/murlocs/elves/trolls? How about the next premium feature/service to be added? Next dungeon to be redone?

I'm going to go with Alexstrasza / Random Rated Battlegrounds / BRD.

King Chin, Premium Appearance Tab, Sunken Temple.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Sylvanas(she's too grey, black and white only!) - Cohorts - AQ

[Paelos]

Oh dear god, please not AQ 

[Sjofn]

Fuck Staghelm, I'm still pissed that they killed Cairne off and Thrall fucked off somewhere leaving Garrosh in control - yet didn't even have the decency to build the former into a Wrathgate-style questline/cinematographic and Thrall became a non-entity.

The more I think about the game the more rushed and unpolished the actual thought into it gets.

BTW - bring back Cairne

They did add a nice little scene in the Children's Week quests, at least. Your morbid little orc orphan wants to see Cairne's grave, and you get a scene with Cairne's son and ghosts and shit. Felt a little "sorry he died off screen, guys" to me, but it was still nice.


As for the next good guy gone bad, I am sure Alexstraza's days are numbered, but I think we'd be killing Sylvanas or Nozdormu before her. If they really wanted to go for fan service, though, we'd kill Rhonin.  

Pay feature, I almost hope appearance tabs. Yes, I would pay for it. 

Next dungeon, I seriously have no idea. I wouldn't mind them redoing the CoT Mount Hyjal raid, though, I never got to do that.

[Ashamanchill]

Nah, we'll be fighting Chromie before the Xpac is done.

[Rokal]

Bronze dragonflight leader/ premium emotes and dances /AQ

Didn't Cho'gal try to resurrect C'thun in the comics or something? AQ20/40 are probably going to be redone as 5-mans at some point. I can think of a couple fights I really liked from both, so I'd like to see them remade someday. I'd prefer some actually-new 5-mans first though.

[Merusk]

You're not getting new 5-mans.  At this rate you'll be lucky to get the old-dungeon revamps they promised for the "2nd patch at the latest" back in 2010's Blizzcon.  Y'all forgot about that one, much like the Dance emotes that never made it in from WOTLK.  Damn Cost-Benefit spreadsheets.

[Soulflame]

Wasn't dungeon revamps covered by SK and Stockades?

[Rendakor]

DM too, and now ZG/ZA.

[Merusk]

The revamps they previewed included Sunken Temple, and Wailing Caverns.  While those two changes made it in (Chopping the bottom off of ST and straigtening WC out) I recall them saying they were going to give a similar treatment to ALL of the old dungeons.. like the mess that is Maraudon.

[Malakili]

The revamps they previewed included Sunken Temple, and Wailing Caverns.  While those two changes made it in (Chopping the bottom off of ST and straigtening WC out) I recall them saying they were going to give a similar treatment to ALL of the old dungeons.. like the mess that is Maraudon.

Its still a mess, but at least it gives you dungeon completion credit for finishing a 3rd of it now (orange/purple/princess)  You can still do the rest of it if your group wants to, it seems they are each treated as unique in the queue.

[Paelos]

I'm going to consider it a miracle if they get 4.2 with just the one raid in it out before July 4th weekend.

[caladein]

They've been testing bosses for a few weeks now.  If they get a few more things going on Friday than they did last week, I think we'll be fine for that date.

[WindupAtheist]

So who is going to be the next good guy turns raid boss because old gods/demons/murlocs/elves/trolls?

I know Horde fanboys really want it to be Wrynn for not just going "Aw shucks Thrall you're so cool, please test plague on more of our people and cut down more of our forests!" but it's definitely Sylvanas if it's anyone. She's taken a real heavy-handed turn toward outright cackling villainy lately.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, she is THIS CLOSE to spontaneously sprouting a mustache just so she can twirl it.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The thing is, she really hasn't.  Sure ressurecting dead people against their will is pretty fucking heinous but it's not quite cut and paste evil either. The problem is whoever writes blizzard lore cannot stand anything but black and white storytelling. They seem to think their playerbase is all 15 even after 6 years of being out.

Just look at Thrall, he was anything but the stereotypical orc so they get rid of him and who do we get? Exactly the same damn thing. Hell even the alliance had something interesting with a boy king on the throne, whose advisor was a black dragon. You know what they could have done instead of king McChin? they could have had the boy try and lead as a teenager, it probably would have yielded the same results and been more interesting except they had to follow the inane lore from the comics about the king.

[Sjofn]

I'm pretty comfortable labeling raising people as undead, whether they like it or not, is evil. You can blah blah all you like about how "zomg only way to procreate" but given they don't exactly die like regular people either, neeeeeeeding to raise moooooore because they can't have necrobabies is not at all compelling to me.

I mean, I am with you on the "they only see black and white at Blizzard," and wish to God they would take writing seriously even though they never, ever will. But! I am not with you on trying to make Sylvanas a Grey Zone in any way, shape or form. Even besides the raising the dead thing, there's the attempt to get her genocide on with the worgen, what happened in Hillsbrad (seriously, some of those quests were although I will be willing to indulge people who say she didn't know about THAT), and what she does in the Plaguelands. It pretty much all piles up into one big neon sign reading:

ATTENTION
WE KNOW SHE'S HOT AND YOU GUYS FORGIVE A LOT FOR THAT
BUT SHE IS PRETTY MUCH THE NEW LICH QUEEN
SORRY

[WindupAtheist]

The thing is, she really hasn't.  Sure ressurecting dead people against their will is pretty fucking heinous but it's not quite cut and paste evil either.

You can start by explaining what you think the difference between "heinous" and "evil" is. Don't try using the dictionary, it won't help you. Sylvanas could pretty much rape babies and someone would post on here about how it's nuanced morally-gray baby rape.

[Ratman_tf]

Asking who's evil and who's good is literally a waste of time. They're all going to become raid bosses, and the reason doesn't matter for shit.

[Paelos]

Just watch until we find out that the Old Gods were actually being controlled by OLDER gods.

And those older gods are ewoks.

[Ratman_tf]

And those older gods are ewoks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYHOMOnG4Q

[Lakov_Sanite]

I really liked the witcher2 in that there were no 'good' factions, just varying levels of dick-ishness that a lot of could be considered evil. Basically everyone was really out for themselves, kind of like real countries. I am reminded of that when I think of Sylvanas.

Also the only reason I don't consider raising the dead out and out evil is that once you're rezzed you can decide NOT to join the forsaken. Most don't I'd assume and yes it really will make you a pariah and destroy everything you knew.  It's just not the mindless slavery the lich king gave and at its core, it's just them ignoring every single do no ressuscitate order. So it's really fucking close to moustache twirling but not quite there.

[Ratman_tf]

I really liked the witcher2 in that there were no 'good' factions, just varying levels of dick-ishness that a lot of could be considered evil. Basically everyone was really out for themselves, kind of like real countries. I am reminded of that when I think of Sylvanas.

Also the only reason I don't consider raising the dead out and out evil is that once you're rezzed you can decide NOT to join the forsaken. Most don't I'd assume and yes it really will make you a pariah and destroy everything you knew.  It's just not the mindless slavery the lich king gave and at its core, it's just them ignoring every single do no ressuscitate order. So it's really fucking close to moustache twirling but not quite there.

Sure. Being brought back as an unnatural monster just takes a little getting used to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0V-yaOGrYw

[Simond]

So...raising the dead as Forsaken = horrifically, unforgivably evil but deliberately infecting people with a disease that actually does turn them into ravening monsters = "welcome to the Alliance! Here's your new treehouse"?

[SurfD]

So...raising the dead as Forsaken = horrifically, unforgivably evil but deliberately infecting people with a disease that actually does turn them into ravening monsters = "welcome to the Alliance! Here's your new treehouse"?

But it makes you immune to the Forsaken Plague, so its OK!

[Nevermore]

They volunteered for it specifically so they couldn't be turned into undead.  Big difference.

[WindupAtheist]

Seriously, even Garrosh is running around going "Bitch how are you any different from Arthas?" and is plainly waiting for her to do something outright treasonous so he can have her whacked.

[Fabricated]

On the subject of Total Biscuit: The only good thing he has contributed to the internet is his still unfinished Shining Force 3 LP.

Are you Bryce?

Hell yeah. I kinda got drunk and trolled the official forums for a few hours. Was great. I'm probably permabanned from the forums on my next ban anyway since I got banned for a week earlier because I told the infamous "mount guy" to kill himself.

And I'm not joking about the Let's Play; it's actually pretty good since he actually knows the game up and down whereas WoW he's...well, terrible at it really.

[Simond]

Seriously, even Garrosh is running around going "Bitch how are you any different from Arthas?" and is plainly waiting for her to do something outright treasonous so he can have her whacked.

Garrosh does that to everyone though.

[Soulflame]

As a long time horde player, the only faction in WoW I consider to be actually evil would be the Forsaken.  The rest of the factions are mainly acting out of self interest, which generally brings them into conflict with everyone else.

Except the tauren.  Goddamn hippy cows.  Who can hate on them?

[Ingmar]

As a long time horde player, the only faction in WoW I consider to be actually evil would be the Forsaken.  The rest of the factions are mainly acting out of self interest, which generally brings them into conflict with everyone else.

Except the tauren.  Goddamn hippy cows.  Who can hate on them?

Their whole 'wah wah wah don't dig up those ruins' act gets pretty old!

[Sjofn]

Especially since they're dwarf or titan ruins most of the time. Titans MADE the dwarves (sort of)!

[Soulflame]

That's just what hippies do, man.

[SurfD]

Especially since they're dwarf or titan ruins most of the time. Titans MADE the dwarves (sort of)!

Nah, the Old Gods made the dwarves.  Stubby little mutants.