Cataclysm

[Ironwood]

 

[Minvaren]

...DKs getting a battle rez in the current 4.1 PTR?   

[Ingmar]

Ending 2 years of people going "WAIT WHAT IS THIS?" and instantly exploding their ghoul rezzed selves.

[Paelos]

Ending 2 years of people going "WAIT WHAT IS THIS?" and instantly exploding their ghoul rezzed selves.

Totally did that the first time I was rezzed. 

[Fordel]

I've never been ghoul rezzed :(

[Sjofn]

The problem I had with ghoul rez was that the people I was most likely to be able to use it on were also the people most likely to be baffled by it happening to them.

[apocrypha]

I've done dungeons all through Wrath with a DK friend, so I actually got used to ghoul rez, it was awesome once you did work it out 

It's a bit like Leap of Faith... first time it happens it's totally disorientating. Was in HoO and a priest LoF'd me back up to the platform after doing the lever on Anhur first time it happened to me. I had nfi what had just happened and promptly ran right off the platform again.

[Ironwood]

Yes :  I got leaped for the first time by the wife the other day, on this very boss.  Cue shouts of 'Well, you shoulda given me some fucking warning !!!'

[Fordel]

The only time I've seen Leap of Faith is in WSG, when I had zoned into a game already in progress and our teams FC and defenders were on our roof. Was pulled up for shits and giggles.

[caladein]

It's pretty decent in heroics as the "shit you're not supposed to stand in" isn't immediately fatal in a lot of cases.  I've probably used it about once an instance if not more.  It's useful on every Grim Batol boss for example.

Raid applications are relatively limited though.  It's huge on Atramedes during Air Phase, especially if you're Holy, and can get other players out of some serious jams on four other fights off the top of my head (Magmaw, Omnitron, Conclave of Wind, Al'Akir).  It's also nice when someone DCs during a boss you've reset so they don't pull it when it comes back .

[Merusk]

The problem I had with ghoul rez was that the people I was most likely to be able to use it on were also the people most likely to be baffled by it happening to them.

So true. Or you used it on people who had no idea whatsoever how to actually DPS as the Ghoul.   I rezzed many a mage, priest and druid when we still needed that DPS push raiding and they just stood there.  I even made a point of calling out "Casting Ghoul on <X>" in vent. 

Eventually I just stopped rezzing anyone not a DK or Rogue.

[Sjofn]

To be fair, the one time it was cast on ME, I was a little startled. But I figured it out. 

[Lantyssa]

How boring.

[Ingmar]

Looks like Firelands did indeed slip from 4.1:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-04-firelands-raid-will-not-be-in-wow-patch-4-1

[caladein]

If they're indeed moving away from 3-4 content patches per expansion and not just trying to cover a production issue, that's welcome news.

Also, Holy Fire being put into Atonement/Glyph of Divine Accuracy has me more exciting than is really appropriate for anything related to Holy Fire .

[Rokal]

That's sort of a bummer... I get that lots of guilds are still progressing through content (mine included), but the current cluster of raid content feels visually uninspired. It was sort of a cool throw-back to BWL or Twilight Cult areas from Vanilla, but it grew stale pretty quickly. I figured my guild would be done normal-mode bosses in a month or two and then we'd have something new to move onto that was a little more exciting. I appreciate the concept of faster, smaller patches, but I don't yet believe that Blizzard can actually pull them off. This is the company that wanted to have an expansion out every year. The company has never had a great track record of "getting things done fast".

If 4.1 comes out soonish with revamps of ZA and ZG that are actually fun, and some more quests/activities/goals for anyone at 85, that won't be a terrible patch. If Firelands then arrives a month or two later, I'd be satisfied with the patch roll-out schedule.

[Paelos]

Looks like Firelands did indeed slip from 4.1:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-04-firelands-raid-will-not-be-in-wow-patch-4-1

Well, that settles that. Rendakor owes me a Coke.

[Rendakor]

Indeed I do. Can't say I'm not disappointed by this; I've now got nothing to look forward to in 4.1 except getting a brez on my DK.

[Paelos]

I'm not happy about it either. This smacks of a kid making excuses as to why his project isn't done on time.

They can put a nice shine on a missed deadline by talking about smaller updates, faster pushes, and giving people more time to access the current content. I still don't believe for a second that the entire raid is completed, tuned, and ready for testing whenever they arbitrarily decide to push it to the test servers. I don't think it's done. I think they're dreaming if they believe they can do anything faster. Also, from a PR standpoint, this makes no sense to hold it back. You are in direct competition with a game that just released, and you intentionally fail to deliver on a deadline? I don't think so.

Blizzard does a lot of things well, but when they try to sell you on their speed, you absolutely should call bullshit.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I disagree with what you said.

I would say only a select few have still beaten cho'gall and nefarian, or even gotten to see them.  Releasing firelands in a couple months  is premature.

[Rendakor]

I haven't killed either (7/12 currently) but a few months away would be ideal, not 4-6 months. I was always a fan of their big content patches, which all included something for everyone (raids, heroics, dailies, mounts/pets, achievements, etc.), and like Paelos I don't imagine doing it this way will get content out any faster.

[Sjofn]

Fuck Firelands if the "Fandral Staghelm is a boss in there" rumor is true. I'll never raise a hand against him! Never!

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fuck Firelands if the "Fandral Staghelm is a boss in there" rumor is true. I'll never raise a hand against him! Never!

ill use his skull as a morrowgrain planter

[Nevermore]

I might resub for a month just for the chance to smack Staghelm's arrogant ass to the ground.

[proudft]

Fuck Firelands if the "Fandral Staghelm is a boss in there" rumor is true. I'll never raise a hand against him! Never!

What if he holds the key to Karazhan and won't give it up without a fight?  What then!

[Paelos]

I disagree with what you said.

I would say only a select few have still beaten cho'gall and nefarian, or even gotten to see them.  Releasing firelands in a couple months  is premature.

The logical solution shouldn't be to hold thing back from a regular proposed timetable if the players aren't progressing fast enough through your content. That should be a big flashing "WARNING, YOUR CONTENT IS OVERTUNED! YOUR PLAYERBASE WAS NOT PREPARED!" sign.

The facts are literally smacking them in the face at this point. They need to make the right call, nerf down the content, and plan on releasing at a quicker pace. Otherwise, just giving people more time won't do diddly shit. A lot of people just gave up already.

[Lantyssa]

I might resub for a month just for the chance to smack Staghelm's arrogant ass to the ground.

We can grab Mattemeo and force Sjofn to heal the instance.  Then she doesn't have to raise a hand against him!

[WindupAtheist]

Blizzard has a history of stealing thunder from their competitors with auspiciously-timed announcements/patches/expansions. So far their big return shot at Rift consists of... uh... a couple refurbished troll instances and no raid. I don't care how progressed anyone is or is not, that just really looks bad.

[Ingmar]

Maybe it really was just lucky timing all along!

[Paelos]

Blizzard has a history of stealing thunder from their competitors with auspiciously-timed announcements/patches/expansions. So far their big return shot at Rift consists of... uh... a couple refurbished troll instances and no raid. I don't care how progressed anyone is or is not, that just really looks bad.

Maybe they're gunning for SWTOR. 

[Ashamanchill]

So what does this mean for Valor point items being kicked down the chain to being sold for Justice points. Call me when I can get some sweet ass purples for running heroics.

[Rendakor]

The valor items aren't going to the JP vendor til 4.2; the only heroics which will drop purpz are ZG and ZA.

[Sjofn]

I might resub for a month just for the chance to smack Staghelm's arrogant ass to the ground.

We can grab Mattemeo and force Sjofn to heal the instance.  Then she doesn't have to raise a hand against him!

Never.

Staghelm will always be a hilarious bitch who had a perfectly good reason to be a hilarious bitch to me (I never once told him a goddamn thing that was important, after all). No amount of Blizzard inexplicably ruining their actually vaguely interesting NPCs will change that! <single, noble tear>

[Ashamanchill]

Lol Sjofn, you crazy squirrel. When your not praising some dickhead standing around Darnassus for being a dickhead, your saying how hot your Belf avatar's ass is, or falling in love with the DM narrator's voice from DDO.

[Sjofn]

I really do love that DM guy.