Cataclysm

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Sad that the best things of tooday will be poo tomorrow.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Sad that the best things of tooday will be poo tomorrow.

First off, today.  Not twoday or tooday...or even 2day. 

Also, welcome to three years ago, anyone that didn't see this coming is delusional. "but just because it happened the last two times this time will be different, im not wasting my life raiding, really!"  Yes, you are wasting your life if you are raiding for items.  If you enjoy the challenge and comraderie, good on you but don't think for a minute what you do has lasting meaning. 

Not in this online game, not in any of them.

[Ingmar]

I've always felt that feeling slapped in the face when you get new better equipment is an awfully odd reaction to have in a game that is set up like WoW. That's kind of the whole point in a lot of ways.

[Chimpy]

Expecting Blizzard to not almost instantly nullify all of your phat lewts from a previous level cap within a heartbeat after them doing it twice is silliness.

The only reason that Tier6 level gear lasted as long as it did for people was gem sockets and enchants. My T6 stuff all had epic gems in every socket and the best enchants available at 70 which added a lot (plus having a helm with a meta-gem meant keeping shit with sockets that was a little sub par). There were blue drops out of dungeons in the low 70s that were better by far as singular items. But they did not have gem sockets and I was not about to spend cash on enchanting levelling gear because I was a cheap ass.

Melee weapons had the biggest jump right away. Everyone I knew that played a melee character was replacing their BT/Sunwell Badge weapons with blues before they hit 75 because even without enchants, they were better damage. 

[Paelos]

I plan on maxing out a dps set for my time in the grinding. When primordial prices drop on my server to ~250g I'm going to start buying so I can get my quest ax. I don't really plan on holding that for long, but it will provide the nice buffer I'll need for the early questing until I strap on my tanking gear and start pugging lowbie dungeons like a mofo. The tanking gear always lasted way longer than the dps shit anyway.

[Merusk]

BC was a huge gear reset because they played with hitpoints.  They said this at the time and it proved true.  Mobs had more so you needed a weapon that did more, meaning epics were replaced quickly.  Since mobs had more HPs, they also rebalanced the classes "to make them closer" (sound familiar?) and so several classes got a lot more HPs.  If you level an alt you still see that jump from 60-61.

BC to WOTLK didn't see that kind of meddling, so epics lasted longer.  That brings us to today, where they're once again meddling with HPs and across-class health levels, which is bringing about the same level of gear reset.. a hard one vs a soft one.   Seems like any time they play with hit points you're going to get that hard reset.   

If you're grousing about epics not lasting into your 80s.. well, EQ1 is still out there.

[Threash]

All i know is that it's going to suck having to give up the 10 extra energy from my pvp armor set bonus when the time comes.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Sad that the best things of tooday will be poo tomorrow.

First off, today.  Not twoday or tooday...or even 2day. 

Also, welcome to three years ago, anyone that didn't see this coming is delusional. "but just because it happened the last two times this time will be different, im not wasting my life raiding, really!"  Yes, you are wasting your life if you are raiding for items.  If you enjoy the challenge and comraderie, good on you but don't think for a minute what you do has lasting meaning. 

Not in this online game, not in any of them.

I'm sorry my phone frequently adds letters I don't type if this upsets you so much. I miss it sometimes. Big deal. Camaraderie, btw.

[Rasix]

Is that why everything is a one sentence throw-away post?

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Is that why everything is a one sentence throw-away post?

Actually, yes. Several times I've been typing out something longer, got pissed at how many times I had to backspace, and just thrown it all out in favor of something shorter.

[Paelos]

Yeah, that's helping your case.

[WindupAtheist]

Is that why everything is a one sentence throw-away post?

Actually, yes. Several times I've been typing out something longer, got pissed at how many times I had to backspace, and just thrown it all out in favor of something shorter.

Like Porky Pig only text.

[caladein]

Yeah, and the crafted items pretty much faceroll anything you could be carrying around right now as well. We're not even talking about good dungeon drops.

Yeah, the 85 crafted epics are sitting at item level 359 (!) and the random 80 greens have a bit more SP (1019) than the Heroic LK-10 or LK-25 weapons (~990).

As a fresh 80, going ~100 item levels from whatever you picked up at the end of Northrend to intro Cataclysm drops is going to be hysterical.

[SurfD]

Yeah, and the crafted items pretty much faceroll anything you could be carrying around right now as well. We're not even talking about good dungeon drops.

Yeah, the 85 crafted epics are sitting at item level 359 (!) and the random 80 greens have a bit more SP (1019) than the Heroic LK-10 or LK-25 weapons (~990).

As a fresh 80, going ~100 item levels from whatever you picked up at the end of Northrend to intro Cataclysm drops is going to be hysterical.

You mean like the way a non raiding 60 moving out of EPL / WPL and the odd bit of 5 man dungeon gear nearly doubled their health / mana pools and attack power / spellpower simply by completing the first 20 or so quests in hellfire and equipping the appropriate quest reward greens?

[caladein]

The health change was an artifact of the different Stamina weights between expansions, but starting Outland greens were only item level 81 compared to the item level ~50 something of the items at non-raiding 60 might have gotten.

It's not really anything interesting since its main cause is the large spread of item levels covered this expansion compared to BC or Classic.

[Paelos]

It's not just a reset. It's a nuclear bomb going off on your gear. 

[Chimpy]

So are you saying that WoW's mudflation rate has reached Zimbabwean levels?

[Zetor]

Hungary, #1 hyperinflation in the world!!!11 

Keep in mind that not only is gear getting a reset, stats are going to change too after you hit 81 (casters will needs spi and int, etc).

[Lakov_Sanite]

Clearly a spoiler but this is by far the best quest I've seen in wow.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut#p/u/14/VvF1o1ObPr0

[Merusk]

Hungary, #1 hyperinflation in the world!!!11 

Keep in mind that not only is gear getting a reset, stats are going to change too after you hit 81 (casters will needs spi and int, etc).

No, stats are changing with patch 4.0, whether you're 81, 80 or 5.

[Ashamanchill]

So are you saying that WoW's mudflation rate has reached Zimbabwean levels?

Lol it's starting to feel like it. Tanks will most likely pass 100k health this x pac (hell I can do that on my bear in WG with like one stack of tenacity and throwing up Survival Instincts), I'm just waiting for some fully raid buffed and geared out cataclysm dps to start throwing around 100k crits. I mean, are they going to have to start tracking the bosses health in scientific notation? 'Oh yeah, death wing only has 1.023 X 10 to the power of 12 hit points left guys!'

[Paelos]

Boss health will easily hit 100M+ in this expansion. We're probably one more expansion away from the first billion health boss.

At that point, I'm quitting.


Riiiiight.

[DraconianOne]

Clearly a spoiler but this is by far the best quest I've seen in wow.

Yeah, it's good. Bet it will divide a lot of people as breaking the fourth wall or being too self-referential or some such crap though.

[Lantyssa]

It goes so far through the fourth wall that I actually appreciate it.  The guy being on the star pony was biting commentary.

[Paelos]

Star pony coupled with Old Spice guy quotes was easily the best part of that whole quest.

[Azazel]

I have  got to get myself a star pony after watching that 

[apocrypha]

Haha very cool. I particularly liked the follow-up quest 

[Wolf]

So are you saying that WoW's mudflation rate has reached Zimbabwean levels?

Lol it's starting to feel like it. Tanks will most likely pass 100k health this x pac (hell I can do that on my bear in WG with like one stack of tenacity and throwing up Survival Instincts), I'm just waiting for some fully raid buffed and geared out cataclysm dps to start throwing around 100k crits. I mean, are they going to have to start tracking the bosses health in scientific notation? 'Oh yeah, death wing only has 1.023 X 10 to the power of 12 hit points left guys!'

I really hope they remove several 0s. I always made fun of Korean mmos and their big numbers. Now it feels like they are sane :)

[Merusk]

No more volley for hunters.   I wonder which dev got their panties in a bunch about being beat. 

[Chimpy]

No more volley for hunters.   I wonder which dev got their panties in a bunch about being beat. 

Wait, what?

They are removing the spell entirely because when they adjusted it to be useful they went a little overboard on WotLK?

It is not my fault that they made it have no cooldown and scale with AP and able to crit. Nor is it my fault that I would run instances when we hit 80 using nothing but volley and do 70% of the group's damage. :p

[Ingmar]

It probably doesn't play nice with a focus system rather than mana. I believe the intent is now for multishot to be the main AE thing for hunters.

[Musashi]

That's what they said.  Of course that's probably part of it.  Volley indeed doesn't really feel like a Huntard ability.  In reality, you know, explosive trap/volley was op.  So rather than do something hard, like fucking with aoe coefficients again, they're just taking that shit out and buffing multishot.  I hope they don't forget why they left multishot relatively unmolested this expansion, which of course was that when it was powerful enough to be part of a Hunter's rotation - he was too stupid not to break CC with it.

[Merusk]

With the reintroduction of CC to dungeons it's going to be just like the old days once more! No groups for huntards!

[Malakili]

With the reintroduction of CC to dungeons it's going to be just like the old days once more! No groups for huntards!

I'm kind of sad for this.  One of the reasons random heroics are viable is becuase you can AoE tank everything.  Hopefully it won't be back on part with the harder BC heroics, because you seriously didn't want to go anywhere near a PUG for those things, especially when appropriately geared for them.   The ability to faceroll heroics might be lamented a little, but realistically speaking, its one of the things that has made this expansion by far the most accessible, its much harder for shitty players/idiots to ruin your run.

[Merusk]

They seem to be striving to make this expansion "BC pt 2, Electric Boogaloo"  so I'd almost not count on it not winding up that way.  Just my take on how things are going.