Cataclysm

[Sjofn]

And you know what else drives me crazy? These sets don't have boots. And most of the time, that means my boots DON'T FUCKING MATCH. 

[Rendakor]

Hey Sjofn, at least you get to wear boots. My femtroll warrior has to tank in bare feet.

[Shrike]

Hooves >> feet.

The only catch is the boots come up to your knees. Speaking of which, draenei need some graphical updates. We NEED an animated tail. Like right now. Tail swiping gnomes that stand too close to you would be pure-D win. Also, since we have hooves (which are better than feet), we should be able to kick stuff. Like gnomes that stand too close to you.

Hmmm, also shaman armor is weird. The T10 stuff is just flat out bizarre. We need to get back to stuff like the T4 to T7 sets. Those looked good (mostly). And no more kilts for enhance, unless it's a real kilt (that shows knees) instead of a chainmail ballgown.

I could go on...

[Draegan]

Warlocks always had the best looking sets.  Too bad I never played one past level 45 or so.  Maybe in Cata!

[Rasix]

Felheart clowns.

[Malakili]

Felheart clowns.

Yeah, Felheart was pretty bad.  Everyone Warlock had the full set in my guild in about a month though because I swear Warlock/Paladin was our drop about every fucking time on every boss.  I remember we went back and three manned Lucifron last year just because we thought it would be funny, and we got felheart/lightforge and we all lost our shit.

[WindupAtheist]

My pally just got uglier as WOTLK went on. Gimme an appearance tab and I'll still look like my 78 blue savage saronite set.

[Ironwood]

Being a warrior, giving me the ability to choose means I'm going to be wearing the Dark Iron set for the rest of my days.

Black and red, Baby, Black and red.

[Malakili]

I've long wished they would make the raid tokens, rather than having their own graphics, just apply their statistics to any given item of the same slot, which is then soul bound to you (even change the name if you want, whatever).  So, if I want my tier 10 helm to look their the defias mask I got at level 12, I can do that, or whatever.

[Sjofn]

Hey Sjofn, at least you get to wear boots. My femtroll warrior has to tank in bare feet.

Your non-matching legwarmers are a concern as well, yes. The troll feet thing doesn't bug me, but I never have played a tanky troll, so that probably helps!

[Lantyssa]

I'd like to be able to have my trolls to be shown wearing boots, too.  It's not game-breaking, but it does annoy me with some of the pieces.

[Selby]

The troll feet thing doesn't bug me, but I never have played a tanky troll, so that probably helps!

I love my tanky troll.  The feet thing doesn't even bug me!

[Rendakor]

The lack of shoes is literally my biggest gripe, appearance wise, about WoW. Forget appearance slots for gear, pile on the ugly fucking shoulders, but let jmy troll wear shoes!

[SurfD]

The lack of shoes is literally my biggest gripe, appearance wise, about WoW. Forget appearance slots for gear, pile on the ugly fucking shoulders, but let jmy troll wear shoes!

Eh, the lack of troll shoes never really bothered me.  I mean, think about it:  They are based off of Jungle savages, who normally run around in Voodoo like getups.  And they have TWO giant toes, instead of a normal looking foor.  Other then sandals, I really cant picture a troll actually wearing anything that even remptely resembles a shoe.   And really, what exactly would a Chain Mail or Plate sandal look like anyway?

[Lantyssa]

Jungle savages aren't normally wearing platemail or high-fantasy leather and mail get-ups either.  Having two toes does not preclude them from wearing protective footwear.

[Rasix]

Put me in the "I want shoes" camp. I'm starting to really dislike races where parts of visible armor isn't available.  Pissed me off in SWG where my dosh couldn't even wear gauntlets or boots.

How about a toggle?   

[Lakov_Sanite]

Finding plate shoes to fit big ginormous feet is one thing.  Taking every shirt I own and ripping the sleeves off at the elbow for no good reason? Fuck you.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, I was about to say that while I understand the desire for footwear, the Forsaken's little elbows/knees/spine problem bugs me way more.

EDIT: Shoulders are not elbows.

[Rasix]

Hunger For Blood, Going away in Cata?

It's going away for Cataclysm. (Source)

THANK YOU. I love required buffs with a prereq debuff that last a single minute.

Now I might actually play an assassination build in a 5 man setting.  Of course, optimizing their damage involves stealth, which given the current pace/nature of dungeons really isn't optimal.  I've never had any assassination build output what I could do with combat even though my gear favored the former.

[caladein]

Finding plate shoes to fit big ginormous feet is one thing.  Taking every shirt I own and ripping the sleeves off at the elbow for no good reason? Fuck you.

Look at my new robe guys! ... oh dammit my hip ripped through it again.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Forsaken should just fight with their claws because our bones are apparently the hardest fucking material in the universe. They can cut through any armor in the game!

[koro]

I was about to say something to the effect of complaining that my T9-geared Paladin looked like every other plate wearer at that gear level, and then I decided to see what Paladin T8 looked like on my Draenei.

Yeah, shutting up now.

[Lantyssa]

Yeah, I was about to say that while I understand the desire for footwear, the Forsaken's little elbows/knees/spine problem bugs me way more.

EDIT: Shoulders are not elbows.

I'm not too fond of the knife-sharp Foresaken bones either.  It looks like Edward Scissorhands dresses me.

I do like how LotR has toggles for all those 'lore' areas where someone might want to hide equipment.

[Sjofn]

I remember suggesting a boot toggle in beta! Me and a bunch of other nerds!

[Fordel]

I remember suggesting a boot toggle in beta! Me and a bunch of other nerds!

Was this before or after The Great Squirrel Debate?  

[Mattemeo]

Was this before or after The Great Squirrel Debate?  

Oh god, I remember that. I think that may be subliminally why I still haven't ever levelled a Druid past 20...

[Mrbloodworth]

to the point where color is a factor in an items worth, because you can't change it.

I am pretty sure that Bloodworth was not talking about vendor cash value when he made this statement using the word "worth", but rather intrinsic value in regards to such things as color as a factor in visually identifying the item level of a piece of gear with an identical mesh (or for that mater, the way that the color of a particular item affects its value as seen by the user, rather then the vendor).

A perfect example would be the whole: Look, that guy is wearing those shoulders, but they are blue, so they are only the Tx.0 version, not the Tx.5 version, or look, that guy is using that weapon, and it is this color, so it is the heroic version.  There is where the color of similar / identical meshes would have an impact on their percieved worth (in regards to blizzard allowing you to overwrite one with the other)

Also, I am pretty sure that a sexy red dress and a sexy black dress vendor for the same amount, but sell on the AH for WILDLY different values simply due to their color / rarity.

Yes.

Also, in most cases to do any form of tint masking, it typically uses the alpha of the image, however you cant do that, if the alpha is being used for transparency. But yes, I was talking about user worth, colors usually start somewhere in brown and go up to black as the most sought after. Wow's loot system (when you get what)has taken this into account already (unlike LOTRO, tin table areas are gray scale and come pre-equipped with a color value for those areas in the objects data block). Many "appearances" are the same meshes with texture overrides, and sometimes textures created in buffer. Just about all cosmetic appearances (chest, boots hair face, cape) are all in the player model file for reasons of animation, just toggled visibility. Exceptions are helms and shoulders.

Any way, my point being, this would be an ass ton of work, but blizzard does have deep pockets, but thats a major undertaking to convert, AND the tint or transparency trade off would have to be addressed.

Sorry I wasn't clear before, and I could be mistaken about the Tech they are using.

The two "armors" bellow are the same base mesh, nothing about the profile changes, with exception of the shoulder blades and helm (Major reason shoulder blades are the most profile breaking and extravagant visual upgrades) In fact, its the same mesh from when you made your player, there is not layering on the base body, its all about the shoulder blades and helms to break the silhouette/profile. Its also why all the forearms are so beefy in wow, they will be gauntlets later in life. Somewhere along its life span, they have been adding different versions of forearms and such for reasons of sleeves and such, but i think thats a recent addition, and is most likely with in the player model file as well. I don't know, I have never had the opportunity to look at the files.

Being a warrior, giving me the ability to choose means I'm going to be wearing the Dark Iron set for the rest of my days.

Black and red, Baby, Black and red.

I rest my case.

EDIT: I may be simplifying this to much, they most likely have hundreds of profile meshes across the game and various sets are created by a giant matrix of on and off for visibility.

[Sjofn]

I remember suggesting a boot toggle in beta! Me and a bunch of other nerds!

Was this before or after The Great Squirrel Debate?  

After!


EDIT: Fuck, the Wrath set was fucking ugly.

[Mrbloodworth]

EDIT: Fuck, the Wrath set was fucking ugly.

Witch one is higher in the loot chain?

[Nebu]

All this game needs is /shoulders off

That would appease most people. 

[Mrbloodworth]

All this game needs is /shoulders off

That would appease most people.  

Those are the most important part of the armor designs though. Its covers the shoulder deformations, I breaks the profiles and it has just about all the fancy effects. If I recall my times as a noob, its takes forever to even get your first ones, because they are a big deal as far as appearance. I can't see them letting that go.

[K9]

Given how the first piece of gear most people seem to buy is the shoulders I suspect the /shoulders off group would be a small minority.

That said, I never understood the fascination with an appearance tab, it's pretty much at the bottom of things I could care about.

[Malakili]

Given how the first piece of gear most people seem to buy is the shoulders I suspect the /shoulders off group would be a small minority.

That said, I never understood the fascination with an appearance tab, it's pretty much at the bottom of things I could care about.

People buy shoulders first because its the best upgrade at the cheapest cost.  35 badges for a shoulder slot epic that probably gives you roughly the same total ugprade as the 50 badge pants, or whatever.

[caladein]

Shoulders and Gloves do offer slightly better value as they have 75% of the stats of a Helm/Chest/Legs at only 70% of the cost (Wowwiki: Slot Modifiers).

Having people running around without shoulder armor would be weird though, as they're really the defining part of a character's silhouette.

[Paelos]

Love it or hate it, shoulders and helms are the only real visibly defining pieces of armor a character has in WoW. Nobody notices chests, bracers, shirts, legs, boots, etc. Robes are probably the exception for casters.

The rest of it is just weaponry.