Cataclysm

[Mattemeo]

Someone: YIFF.
Mattemeo:  No it's not. TAUREN NIPPLES.

I don't care what animal-man hybrid people jerk off to. What I can't stand is double standards.



Subject at hand; I think they look alright, but I'll take the 'WORK IN PROGRESS' nature of the shots as read.
Also, they don't look a fucking thing like cats. What flavour kool-aid are you kids drinking these days, ketamine?

[Ingmar]

I don't think they look like cats. The real problem (other than maybe the CHEST THRUST DEPLOYED posture) is they have Disney cartoon animal "girl eyes". I really, really hate that in cartoons and don't feel much different about it here.

EDIT: I'll grant it isn't quite as extreme as a Disney cartoon but it is the same sort of thing.

[Lantyssa]

How could you be so cruel?

<makes Bambi eyes at Ingmar>

[Musashi]

You're totally setting yourself up for someone to kill your mom.

So you think because the female worgen look like slinky cat/foxwomen rather than hulking monsters they will be reworked?
Did you miss the whole "Blizzard doesn't make ugly females" bit of this thread, or something? 

Nah, man.  I was there.  Scroll back.  Not even what I'm talking about, anyway.  I think what's supposed to look like a wolf looks like a cat.  And it's not even a right looking cat.  It just looks fucked up.



Look at that thing.  That's just not right.

[Ingmar]

The whole 'giant claws for hands' thing is probably contributing to that impression more than anything.

[Malakili]

Fine, I'll bite (get it?!)

Doesn't seem THAT far off from what blizzard has going there, granted that was the sassiest looking she-wolf I could find google searching for  3 minutes.

[Paelos]

There's no way they could please people with the graphic because the idea is so stupid. They should have just let everyone play goblins and had some merc goblin on goblin pvp 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I think people are confusing canine with wolf.  Worgen females don't look like "wolves" they arent supposed to, they look like jackals.

[Sjofn]

True, it'd be very difficult to pull their arse in while thrusting their's bossom out and holding the shoulders back at an unnatural angle.  (You'll note male Draenei do none of this.)

I'm pretty sure it's a T&A thing, but it's a hard call to make without any other examples to draw from.

 

I call it the stripper heels pose.

The lady worgen legs are at least thick enough that I don't worry one will snap in half while I jog around, though, which is more than I can say for the lady draenei.

I don't like the lady worgen's face at all. I can't really put my finger on why (aside from the aforementioned eye shadow issue). They look way less yiffy without hair, though! There WILL be hairstyles, I am sure, as it would be way boring making one if they didn't (plus the whole Must Be Hot thing), but not having hair as an option is good and I hope it is included (even though I will pick any pigtail option they have because I love pigtails).


EDIT: Also, I don't think they look very cat-ish. The DUDES do, and as I said I think it's because they have hair and it puts me in mind of male lions.

[sickrubik]

Yeah, It's really just a "that's not quite right" thing. To me (and others) it comes off cat like, and at least for me, had little to do with the claws. I never meant to infer that it was a werecat or something, it just comes off more feline to me.

Needs something more, I guess. Either way, not really a fan of it at the moment.

[Lantyssa]

They look like a jackal to me, so it doesn't feel off at all.

I dunno, maybe I'm okay with that because I liked Silent Striders.

[koro]

Someone posted the female hairstyles, apparently using mocked-up textures but real models.

Some are pretty cool, others are kinda  

[Sjofn]

Ingmar theorized that if they were fuzzier in the face it would look more "right" to the people who are all "they look ... weird." You know, people like me. I kind of think he might be right, at least as far as what it is bugging ME. Even jackals have bushier faces than the worgen ladies do, so ... yeah. Of course, if they had fuzzy faces, it would totally clip into their hair, which they're totally going to have!

[Fabricated]

Someone datamined some spells/script event/engine things from the latest beta patch and I guess Cosmetic Armor slots are being tested.

[Sjofn]

Do not even fucking joke about that you son of a bitch.

Seriously, if they added that, it would be the BEST THING EVER.

[WindupAtheist]

Do not even fucking joke about that you son of a bitch.

Seriously, if they added that, it would be the BEST THING EVER.

Seconded!

[Merusk]

Shit.. I think I'd never play another MMO. 

[Lantyssa]

Someone datamined some spells/script event/engine things from the latest beta patch and I guess Cosmetic Armor slots are being tested.

What was that?  Hints that I was right when I said certain decisions were heading in that direction?  (I'll wait for it to be official to properly gloat.)

[Rasix]

Shit.. I think I'd never play another MMO. 

Still needs housing.

And I still don't think they'll let me crack skulls in a purple dinner suit and pimp hat.

[Musashi]

It's probably like a trophy belt or some bullshit.

[Selby]

And I still don't think they'll let me crack skulls in a purple dinner suit and pimp hat.

People used to PVP back in the day in UO with their halywacker in a cape, boots, and nothing else, so it's not like it would totally ruin my immersion.  People also raid as pirates, ninjas, and skeletons, so meh there as well.

As far as the worgen goes... I really don't see the big deal.  I might roll one somewhere since I don't really have an alliance server anymore just to see it, but I don't really care too much about the sex appeal (or lack thereof).

[Simond]

Do not even fucking joke about that you son of a bitch.

Seriously, if they added that, it would be the BEST THING EVER.

Cosmetic Slot - Helm[NYI] - Covers Helm with target armor. Will cover the appearance but not the effect of any existing helm armor. Not active in Battlegrounds or Arenas.
Cosmetic Slot - Shoulders[NYI] - Covers Shoulders with target armor. Will cover the appearance but not the effect of any existing shoulder armor. Not active in Battlegrounds or Arenas.

[WindupAtheist]

Aw fuck these guys. Not active in Battlegrounds? Why don't they just make it "not seen by arena opponents and members of other faction" instead? Then I'd actually get to see my cosmetic gear when I'm playing the game, and not just while I'm sitting in city waiting for a queue to pop. Why do the other tools in my BG need to see my real gear? And why only helmet and shoulders?

Fuck Blizzard, there's some shit they just Don't Understand. They HAVE to have been getting beaten in the face with "appearance tab you assholes" whenever they do any market research, otherwise they'd still be convinced that everyone loves their Iconic Shoulders(tm). This is so counter to their usual bullshit attitude and so half-assed.

[caladein]

Why do the other tools in my BG need to see my real gear?

Rated Battlegrounds.

[WindupAtheist]

Yeah, so...? What, are we gonna turn on Trade and see "Ok guys, forming raid for rated battleground. I'm not gonna use gearscore, wowheroes, armory, or even inspect. Everyone fly to Ironforge and let me eyeball you to see how your gear is."

Or did you just not read very closely and miss that part where I specified that enemies should always see your real gear?

[SurfD]

Shoulders and helms are one of those staple things that let you INSTANTLY identify exactly what class of player that other person is almost immediately by eyeball.  Especially when they are in any form of "set" gear.

Being able to tell at a glance that the person waving their hands over there is a warlock and not a mage or a priest (or shaman or paladin etc) is a very handy thing in PvP.

I figure that is 99% of the reason why they have been leery of letting people custom chose their armor look for a long time.

Looking at someone and going "hey look, its a priest, see the shoulders" and then having a DK in cloth shoulders rip your face off makes that way more complicated.

[Mattemeo]

Cosmetic Slot - Shoulders[NYI] - Covers Shoulders with target armor. Will cover the appearance but not the effect of any existing shoulder armor. Not active in Battlegrounds or Arenas.

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So long as there's an option in that particular slot to set shoulders to invisible if nothing is selected in the cosmetic slot, I don't really care about anything else.

WoW shoulderpads continue to deeply offend me on an aesthetic level. Not only do they get exponentially more hideous and ridiculous for each ilevel, the bastard art department still can't even sit them right.

[Nevermore]

Shoulders and helms are one of those staple things that let you INSTANTLY identify exactly what class of player that other person is almost immediately by eyeball.  Especially when they are in any form of "set" gear.

Being able to tell at a glance that the person waving their hands over there is a warlock and not a mage or a priest (or shaman or paladin etc) is a very handy thing in PvP.

I figure that is 99% of the reason why they have been leery of letting people custom chose their armor look for a long time.

Looking at someone and going "hey look, its a priest, see the shoulders" and then having a DK in cloth shoulders rip your face off makes that way more complicated.

Because I can't turn my helmet off completely in pvp?  And I don't know, I can kind of tell the difference between the priest and the DK by the giant ass sword the DK is using.  The 'omg, now I can't tell what class it is!!!!1!' excuse seems pretty weak to me when there are all these other graphical indications of exactly what class everyone is.  Hmm, there's a giant blueberry following that guy with the staff.  Let me get closer to look at his shoulders to see what class he is.  And that's not even taking into account how a simple mouseover tells you exactly what that dude is.

That being said, I do think the cosmetic piece should be of the same type of armor as the actual piece.  ie: you can only overlay plate over plate, leather over leather, etc.

[Sjofn]

WoW shoulderpads continue to deeply offend me on an aesthetic level. Not only do they get exponentially more hideous and ridiculous for each ilevel, the bastard art department still can't even sit them right.

The sitting "right" varies wildly from race to race and between genders. I loathe shoulders on my draenei lady because of the Posture Issues, but I actually like the not-completely-hideous ones on, say, my night elf lady. Troll girls look dumb with shoulders because of THEIR posture, but they look alright on tauren girls. And so on.

They've always bothered you way more than they've bothered me, though. I haven't had to wear a pair I have found Truly Hideous in a long time.

No, for me the important slot they add are PANTS. If I have a cosmetic pants slot, I will not cry one bit if they bring back plate thong bullshit, stupid as it is, because I won't have to wear it. It's perfect, the manginas like Fordel can wear their ho armor, and the humorless feminists like me can wear pants.


EDIT: The class outline thing isn't completely trivial, but y'all are missing that WUA said he's fine with ENEMIES seeing his ugly clown suit in PvP, he just doesn't see why HE has to see his own ugly clown suit. I am inclined to agree with him.

[Sjofn]

That being said, I do think the cosmetic piece should be of the same type of armor as the actual piece.  ie: you can only overlay plate over plate, leather over leather, etc.

Bleh, I don't. I figure if you can wear it normally, you can wear it in your cosmetic slot. Why not? Does it really ruin your day if the tank is wearing his or her prettiest pink dress to tank Arthas?

[Lakov_Sanite]

Because I can't turn my helmet off completely in pvp? 

If they disable the overlay in pvp expect this to change.

That being said, I do think the cosmetic piece should be of the same type of armor as the actual piece.  ie: you can only overlay plate over plate, leather over leather, etc.

This is an incredibly stupid idea.

[AcidCat]

Thing about this whole idea is that no matter what happens, werewolves casting spells is going to be silly.  Because, you know, werewolves eat people with their teeth.  They don't cast magic missle. 

I agree with this. Mage is one class I really haven't played, but thinking about it there's no way I'd want to make that my Worgen. So I guess it will be Warrior.

[Sjofn]

Mage sucks anyway. It's the only class I've never broken 30 with. And it's only because mounts moved down to 20, a much easier milestonel, that I ever broke 20 with one.


(This is mostly me being broken, for some reason I hate going pew pew with spells. My warlock has been level 50 for something like two years.)

[Nevermore]

That being said, I do think the cosmetic piece should be of the same type of armor as the actual piece.  ie: you can only overlay plate over plate, leather over leather, etc.

Bleh, I don't. I figure if you can wear it normally, you can wear it in your cosmetic slot. Why not? Does it really ruin your day if the tank is wearing his or her prettiest pink dress to tank Arthas?

No, it just bothers me on a 'this doesn't make any sense' level, not a 'how dare you wear a dress!' level.  I know, I know.  Fantasy, magic, dragons blah blah blah.

Edit:

Thing about this whole idea is that no matter what happens, werewolves casting spells is going to be silly.  Because, you know, werewolves eat people with their teeth.  They don't cast magic missle.

I agree with this. Mage is one class I really haven't played, but thinking about it there's no way I'd want to make that my Worgen. So I guess it will be Warrior.

You do realize there have been spellcasting Worgen in the game since Day 1, right?

[AcidCat]

Doesn't matter, just doesn't feel right. If I'm gonna be a Worgen, I want to be a savage in-your-face kinda fighter.