Cataclysm

[Lakov_Sanite]

Now I love goblin females but sexy would be a stretch.  Oh sure they were given pretty faces but come on, they are still three-foot tall disproportional midgets with giant hands.  I could see people going as far as 'cute' but to think they've somehow ruined goblins by sexualizing them is just silly.


edit to add: Look at the goblin hotrod....is that a fucking back seat? If it's a two player mount then things are getting awesome here.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, those popeye gorilla arms on the female goblins are clearly nothing but pure fanservice. Hot!

Besides which, I never said I didn't think they'd tart up the female goblins. It was a fucking given they would, seeing as how the other "ugly" races had their females pan out. The fact they're still short and squat and have long, beefy arms is something of a miracle.


EDIT: Also, they really, really need to give the older races some love. The difference between the goblins and, say, the dwarves is pretty staggering at this point.

[Mattemeo]

to think they've somehow ruined goblins by sexualizing them is just silly.

Now I want you to think very, very hard about what you've just typed, there.

 

[Simond]

To reiterate:

Worgen females in game, no textures yet.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/general-discussions/first-look-at-wogen-famale/

And adding:

[Sjofn]

It's hard to say without seeing their legs (why do people take new-model shots in robes? :( ) but I am pretty sure they haven't really tried for "sexy" with the lady goblins, which I believe was the point. They have boobs and cute faces, but they've always had boobs, and frankly the original lady goblin face is cute, just totally old-ass-graphics style.

The thing with the worgens is they were basically making up the female ones out of thin air (even though there WERE female worgen already, they just looked like the dude ones but God forbid we keep that). And there was never, ever, ever any doubt those made up ladies were going to be teh hawt.

[Lantyssa]

Blizzard is going to make every new race hawt.  They showed they realized that mistake starting with the Draenei and Blood Elves.  There will never be ugli again.

People are just freaking out that they find something with fur attractive, even if it's not their thing.  It's no different than when guys freak when they find some gal they thought is really a guy in drag.  Human minds are built to find certain shapes pleasing, and the silhouette is often more important to that perception than the 'texture'.

[Musashi]

This stuff is just silly.  Who cares about sexualizing the female worgens or goblins?  I mean really.  If you don't end up liking them, then don't play one.  If you do, grats.

Only thing I care about is emoting, "I got what you need," and then stabbing motherfuckers in the face.

[Sjofn]

I care mostly because I'm sick of being reminded that first and foremost, I am to be found Hot. Everything else is secondary to that. I get enough of that bullshit in real life.

I don't have an issue with the worgen ladies being hot if it makes sense. I'm annoyed because there were female worgens already, but they didn't have boobs and hair and a wiggle in their walk, so of course that couldn't stay as is because shut up that's why. They aren't nearly as terrible as the lady draenei in the "how the fuck are those even the same race" department, but it does make me despair that Priority One for making females is to make them attractive to heterosexual males. You can arglebargle about how zomg men make up most of the playerbase (it's not as lopsided as you think, and still doesn't make it right) and how No One Plays Ugly (which doesn't explain why the males of MOST of the races get played at all), but it still gets tiring and it doesn't make Hot >>>>>> Sense right.

If they took the Guild Wars approach where even the men are beautiful (well, most of them) it wouldn't bug me as much, because at least there's a sense of wanting everyone to be attractive. Blizzard makes it much clearer that they only give a shit if the women are attractive, because that is their Primary Characteristic.

[Lantyssa]

At a guess, it'd be easier to arglebargle about how lopsided the development team in regards to gender balance.  The Warcraft franchise has always struck me as having an incredibly high machismo factor and a lack of any interest in pursuing ideas or designs which would break that image.

[Nightblade]

Remember when Werewolves used to be just Werewolves? I miss those days. I also miss the days before Vampires were defiled by pale self important goth types.

[Ironwood]

inorite ?


Remember we used to be able to say the word Gay ??

[Simond]

ManliGoblininess:


(Alternate title: "I got what you need!")

[SurfD]

ManliGoblininess:


(Alternate title: "I got what you need!")

HOLY FUCK.  There is more animation going on in that goblins HEAD then there is in the entire Undead Femal Dance loop!!

[Fordel]

Yea, all the goblin animations I've seen, male or female, are about 10x as involved and long as any of the older races.

[Musashi]

Fuck yea, Goblin.

I care mostly because I'm sick of being reminded that first and foremost, I am to be found Hot. Everything else is secondary to that. I get enough of that bullshit in real life.

I don't have an issue with the worgen ladies being hot if it makes sense. I'm annoyed because there were female worgens already, but they didn't have boobs and hair and a wiggle in their walk, so of course that couldn't stay as is because shut up that's why. They aren't nearly as terrible as the lady draenei in the "how the fuck are those even the same race" department, but it does make me despair that Priority One for making females is to make them attractive to heterosexual males. You can arglebargle about how zomg men make up most of the playerbase (it's not as lopsided as you think, and still doesn't make it right) and how No One Plays Ugly (which doesn't explain why the males of MOST of the races get played at all), but it still gets tiring and it doesn't make Hot >>>>>> Sense right.

If they took the Guild Wars approach where even the men are beautiful (well, most of them) it wouldn't bug me as much, because at least there's a sense of wanting everyone to be attractive. Blizzard makes it much clearer that they only give a shit if the women are attractive, because that is their Primary Characteristic.

It's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't things.  If they don't sexualize the female models, then they might as well not spend the time putting them in the game, because nobody is going to play them.  If you do sexualize them, then you awaken the sleeping feminist in your female players.  But I think if you look at it overall, they've tried their best to put in a little something for everyone.  If you have to play an ugly female, you have your Dwarves, Orcs, Tauren, and of course Trolls.

[Lantyssa]

Uh, maybe the females will play them?  I have no interest in playing a male character.  I like to look good, but I do not need to be hyper-sexualized either.

[pxib]

I'd also like to see non-hypersexualized males. More guys built like Andre Agassi or Andre the Giant. I've had enough of tiny waists and gigantic mutant deltoids.

[Simond]

Ooh, shiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jcHnDfph8I

[Sjofn]

Uh, maybe the females will play them?  I have no interest in playing a male character.  I like to look good, but I do not need to be hyper-sexualized either.

Ha ha ha! It's like you think women count!


EDIT: I also disagree vigorously that the men of WoW are "hypersexualized." The only game I have ever played where you could kind of say the men are as sexually objectified as the women is Guild Wars. The men of WoW aren't the way they look because they hope those interested in males will find them attractive. They look that way so boys can pretend they are SUPER MANLY MENZ.

[Musashi]

You guys really think women are going to play a she-wolf with an A cup and a muffin top?   

[WindupAtheist]

Nobody plays the non-hawt females. Not even women. Female dwarves and tauren may as well not have been modeled.

[Mattemeo]

Ooh, shiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jcHnDfph8I

That's tantamount to emotional terrorism, using that bit of score. 

[pxib]

EDIT: I also disagree vigorously that the men of WoW are "hypersexualized." The only game I have ever played where you could kind of say the men are as sexually objectified as the women is Guild Wars. The men of WoW aren't the way they look because they hope those interested in males will find them attractive. They look that way so boys can pretend they are SUPER MANLY MENZ.

That's what I meant by hypersexualized... not sex as in sexy, but sex as in male. All the male features are exaggerated... lumpy, bulgy louts with square jaws, scowls and scars. The men and the women of WoW are the way they look not because Blizzard hoped people would find them sexually attractive, but because they hoped people would find them attractive to play. They're seven-heads-high Boris Vallejo fantasy archetypes: Fit but unnaturally hourglass women and hulking, gnarly men. Plus dwarves and minotaurs (which have no traditional female archetypes) and gnomes (which have cartoon-character proportions).

I want a less generic set of options.

[caladein]

Female Dwarves were hilariously rare this past Easter on my server (US-Wildhammer).  Taurens, not so much.  Hell, I have two these days.

[pxib]

Female Taurens at least look like cow-people. Female dwarves look less like fantasy dwarves than like short humans. They should have beards.

[Sjofn]

Nobody plays the non-hawt females. Not even women. Female dwarves and tauren may as well not have been modeled.

I have seen many, many, many tauren females. A lot of them are druids, though, so it's not like you can tell when you're in a group with them.

I love my lady dwarf.  

Anyway, I have yet to see an animation for either new race that I didn't like (except for the female worgen /walk, but whatever). It's exciting!

EDIT: Swap out "tauren" and put in "orc" and you might have a better point. Although I love them too.

[Koyasha]

I don't have an issue with the worgen ladies being hot if it makes sense. I'm annoyed because there were female worgens already, but they didn't have boobs and hair and a wiggle in their walk, so of course that couldn't stay as is because shut up that's why.

There's only one, male, worgen model.  There are no female worgen already.  If you're saying that some obscure quest happened to refer to some worgen as a 'she' then we're stretching the definition of there already being female worgen pretty far, because art-wise, there are not already female worgen.  I have no doubt that if you ask the artists that designed the existing worgen model, they will tell you that they never intended it to represent both genders, and that they designed it as a male.

Player models must be attractive.  In some way, they must be generally and broadly attractive, they must be appealing in some way.  If they're not, they're going to wind up considerably underplayed.  The only other option is if they are quirky or cute, making them the comedic character.  See: gnomes, particularly male gnomes, who are not attractive, but have the quirkiness going for them.  Their appearance is silly, they're a bit of a joke.  That applies to goblins too.

[Mattemeo]

Female dwarves look less like fantasy dwarves than like short humans. They should have beards.

This has always, always been my problem with Dwarf representation in games. If it doesn't have a beard, it's not a dwarf. You could give them pretty faces and hourglass figures and dainty hands, but if she doesn't come with a luxurious, silken beard available in a variety of seductive, stylish braids, she's a short human.

Of course, I'm of the opinion Trolls are Silicate life-forms, too. DAoC got that right. I loved DAoC Trolls.

[Sjofn]

I don't have an issue with the worgen ladies being hot if it makes sense. I'm annoyed because there were female worgens already, but they didn't have boobs and hair and a wiggle in their walk, so of course that couldn't stay as is because shut up that's why.

There's only one, male, worgen model.  There are no female worgen already.  If you're saying that some obscure quest happened to refer to some worgen as a 'she' then we're stretching the definition of there already being female worgen pretty far, because art-wise, there are not already female worgen.  I have no doubt that if you ask the artists that designed the existing worgen model, they will tell you that they never intended it to represent both genders, and that they designed it as a male.

Yeah, all of Grizzly Hills, with all those women who turn into worgen. So obscure!

EDIT: This is why I do not, under any circumstances, want furbolgs to be a player race.

[pxib]

I have no doubt that if you ask the artists that designed the existing worgen model, they will tell you that they never intended it to represent both genders, and that they designed it as a male.

Monsters are (with a few exceptions, like medusae) male. Ogres, gnolls, quillboar, and kobolds have no female models.

[Lantyssa]

You guys really think women are going to play a she-wolf with an A cup and a muffin top?   

No idea what a muffin top is, but otherwise, yes.  I prefer to play a female character closer in cup size to myself than the MMO norm.  I'm even fine with my reptilian races *gasp*  having no breasts at all.

[Koyasha]

Yeah, all of Grizzly Hills, with all those women who turn into worgen. So obscure!

Actually I'd forgotten about the northrend worgen, so good point.  However, that's still just an art issue - kinda like those female druids that turn into lions with manes.  That's a male worgen model.

[K9]

I have no doubt that if you ask the artists that designed the existing worgen model, they will tell you that they never intended it to represent both genders, and that they designed it as a male.

Monsters are (with a few exceptions, like medusae) male. Ogres, gnolls, quillboar, and kobolds have no female models.

I don't think there are any female undead either; forsaken sure, but not undead (bar odd bosses like Lady DW).

[Musashi]

You guys really think women are going to play a she-wolf with an A cup and a muffin top?   

No idea what a muffin top is, but otherwise, yes.  I prefer to play a female character closer in cup size to myself than the MMO norm.  I'm even fine with my reptilian races *gasp*  having no breasts at all.

Muffin top.

Also.  I get that you think you'd play one.  I'm talking about women in general.  And most won't.  Sad as it may seem.  At least not in the numbers it would take to justify the time they spent making them.  I have no problem with them making a more robust system where you can make the Plain Jane Every Woman Werewolf of your dreams.  But complaining about this is silly.

[Mattemeo]

More on the whole 'no one's going to find female goblins sexy' argument...



Seriously. If you're happy accepting the fact that people out there are currently fapping/schlicking away to the idea of bipedal wolves, can you honestly, hand on heart claim that no one will do the same over goblins? Don't be fucking daft, people. Fetishes are fetishes. In the grand scheme of things, 3 foot tall green women with noo joizee accents aren't even in the realms of the odd. And yes, I've already seen WoW Goblin pin-up art.