Cataclysm

[AutomaticZen]

I swear, if I played on a PvP server, I would actively defend the Sprite Darters in Feralas from the murderous Horde scum.
I don't mind that the Horde can now get Sprite Darters as pets, I do mind the way they get them.

The worse part is my girlfriend loves collecting pets, but she hates that she has to slaughter the cuter ones over and over to get them.  Sprite Darter is one of those instances.  Having not gotten that high when I played Alliance, I assume everyone got them the same way.

[Simond]

There's no evil Drenaei in game as far as I know. The only hostile ones are the ghosts around Achunidoun.

No, because the Draenei are literally the good ones of their race.  The rest of them are evil.  Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, and Velen were contemporaries.

The entire chain of things is indirectly their fault as well.  Kil'Jaeden only found the orc's world because he was chasing Velen's people who had taken a pitstop there.  Any other world, and Warcraft never happens.

See, that's how the Burning Legion got their hooks into the orcs in the first place. They were just a bunch of primitive neolithic hunter-gatherer tribes wandering around peacefully when suddenly one day a diamond the size of a mountain comes screaming out of the sky and craters into the ground (totally messing up the local spirit world as a side-effect). Then these ten-foot tall hooved things that bleed blue and can pick orcs up one-handed and snap their necks like twigs wander out waving glowing crystalline devices, wearing tough metal skin, and wielding totally unknown magic. That's enough to make any such primitive people a little nervous.

And then, one day, one of them (actually Kil'Jaeden, but why split hairs?) sneaks into an orc camp and says "Oh by the way, the elders of my people are planning to kill you all and take this planet for their own. But I can give you the strength which you lack. All you need to do is drink this blood...."

Seriously after the events at wrathgate even the horde should be clueing to the obvious that this plague that kills both the living has been worked on by the forsaken for a long time and the obvious end play for the forsaken is to kill everybody horde and alliance. It was hard enough to justify giving them the benefit of the doubt before wrathgate but now the horde should be about as agressive to the forsaken as the alliance are.

Handy hint: The invasion of Gilneas (including the use of Blight) was a direct order from Garrosh to Sylvanas. He doesn't see the Forsaken as a threat, he sees them as a weapon, and one that he's going to use for the greater good of the Horde.

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance.... 

[Nevermore]

The worse part is my girlfriend loves collecting pets, but she hates that she has to slaughter the cuter ones over and over to get them.  Sprite Darter is one of those instances.  Having not gotten that high when I played Alliance, I assume everyone got them the same way.

No, only the evil races have to slaughter cute, innocent creatures in order to enslave their young.  The good races get to rescue their eggs and raise them as their own. 

[Mattemeo]

And then, one day, one of them (actually Kil'Jaeden, but why split hairs?) sneaks into an orc camp and says "Oh by the way, the elders of my people are planning to kill you all and take this planet for their own. But I can give you the strength which you lack. All you need to do is drink this blood...."

And so the Orcs, displaying a lack of willpower and spine, submitted to the will of a Space Demon, and became bloodthirsty psychopaths who committed genocide on the Draenei, had a hand in destroying their own world and then hopped through a portal to Azeroth to destroy that too.

All King Beefslab McFistgroin's fault, of course. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

High Overlord Saurfang says: I drank of the same blood your father did, Garrosh. Mannoroth's cursed venom pumped through my veins as well. I drove my weapons into the bodies and minds of my enemies. And while Grom died a glorious death - freeing us all from the blood curse - he could not wipe away the terrible memory of our past. His act could not erase the horrors we committed.

High Overlord Saurfang says: The winter after the curse was lifted, hundreds of veteran orcs like me were lost to despair. Our minds were finally free, yes... Free to relive all of the unthinkable acts that we had performed under the Legion's influence.

<High Overlord Saurfang nods.>

High Overlord Saurfang says: I think it was the sounds of the draenei children that unnerved most of them... You never forget... Have you ever been to Jaggedswine Farm? When the swine are of age for the slaughter... It's that sound. The sound of the swine being killed... It resonates the loudest. Those are hard times for us older veterans.

Garrosh Hellscream says: But surely you cannot think that those children were born into innocence? They would have grown up and taken arms against us!

<High Overlord Saurfang shakes his head.>

High Overlord Saurfang says: I am not speaking solely of the children of our enemies...

High Overlord Saurfang says: I won't let you take us down that dark path again, young Hellscream. I'll kill you myself before that day comes...

Garrosh Hellscream says: How have you managed to survive for so long, Saurfang? Not fallen victim to your own memories?

High Overlord Saurfang says: I don't eat pork...

<High Overlord Saurfang spits.>

[AutomaticZen]

And then, one day, one of them (actually Kil'Jaeden, but why split hairs?) sneaks into an orc camp and says "Oh by the way, the elders of my people are planning to kill you all and take this planet for their own. But I can give you the strength which you lack. All you need to do is drink this blood...."

And so the Orcs, displaying a lack of willpower and spine, submitted to the will of a Space Demon, and became bloodthirsty psychopaths who committed genocide on the Draenei, had a hand in destroying their own world and then hopped through a portal to Azeroth to destroy that too.

All King Beefslab McFistgroin's fault, of course. 

Medivh opened the door.  

You can blame the whole thing on a couple of people doing stupid shit:  Velen, Kiljaeden, Aegwynn (Medivh's mother), Deathwing and Gul'dan.  Past them it all leads to Sargeras.  And you can blame the Titans because they couldn't give the guy a day off every once and awhile.

And while Thrall is great, I still don't understand why he keeps the Forsaken around after Wrathgate.  Sylvanas basically said, "it wasn't me!" and everything was kosher.  Of course the same thing happened with the Blood Elves and Kael.  And the Defias got Wrynn into his predicament in the first place.  Really, they're all quite fucked except for maybe Cairne and Thrall, and they're both too pacifist to get anything done.  Hence why they're rumored to be replaced.

Whatever.  It's World of Warcraft.  Bring it.  I look forward to killing King FightStab.

The question, what happens to Saurfang that he'd allow Garrosh to run anything.

[Nevermore]

He dies fighting Arthas.

[Ingmar]

Yeah I am expecting a lot of deaths and changes with the Icecrown victory event etc.

[AutomaticZen]

He dies fighting Arthas.

Perfect.  I like it.

The whole Horde/Alliance thing is quite weird when you realize Varian and Thrall share a voice actor.  And they need to give Thrall a new model.

[Lantyssa]

Handy hint: The invasion of Gilneas (including the use of Blight) was a direct order from Garrosh to Sylvanas. He doesn't see the Forsaken as a threat, he sees them as a weapon, and one that he's going to use for the greater good of the Horde.

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance.... 

Yes, because pissing off the large furry critters who delight in rampaging across the country side, and do so with more efficiency than the Legion itself, so much that they join your enemies is a brilliant strategy.

[Fordel]

Going:

Also, Grimtotems every time someone mentions Taurens being nice guys is kind of like going

Also, Dark Irons when someone mentions Dwarves
Also, Naga when someone mentions Night Elves
Also, Defias when someone mentions Humans

etc, etc.

Hell, as far as I am aware, the ONLY race in the whole game that does not have its own actively "evil" (for lack of a better word) offshoot is the Gnomes, who, if it wasn't for Toxic poisoning of their capital, wouldn't even have an excuse for being in the game, and would be happily tinkering away underground oblivious to the world around them.

The Grimtotems have an active role in the politics of the Tauren would be the primary difference. It'll be comparable when Moira finally has that damn baby, maybe.

[kildorn]

Handy hint: The invasion of Gilneas (including the use of Blight) was a direct order from Garrosh to Sylvanas. He doesn't see the Forsaken as a threat, he sees them as a weapon, and one that he's going to use for the greater good of the Horde.

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance.... 

Yes, because pissing off the large furry critters who delight in rampaging across the country side, and do so with more efficiency than the Legion itself, so much that they join your enemies is a brilliant strategy.

The undead HATE the worgen, too.

Just because of the Sons of Agural that randomly path through newbie quests <3

[Merusk]

The old raids.  With Nef 2.0 and Rag 2.0 in Cat I'd almost bet that MC and BWL will be going away.   AQ is fairly useless right now, too.. so they might remove it.   

It occurred to me today that the  ZA and Sunwell achieves might also go the way of the dodo.  Depends on if you're going to be able to fly to the BE & Dranei areas after the revamp and what theyr plans are for the isle of QD. I'm guessing they won't touch that as it's part of the BC package, though.

[Tannhauser]

Handy hint: The invasion of Gilneas (including the use of Blight) was a direct order from Garrosh to Sylvanas. He doesn't see the Forsaken as a threat, he sees them as a weapon, and one that he's going to use for the greater good of the Horde.

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance....  

Yes, because pissing off the large furry critters who delight in rampaging across the country side, and do so with more efficiency than the Legion itself, so much that they join your enemies is a brilliant strategy.

The undead HATE the worgen, too.

Just because of the Sons of Agural that randomly path through newbie quests <3

YES!  When Gilneas arrives, I will park my 80 Forsaken Mage down at the stupid gate and fry the fur off of every little doggie that sticks his nose out.

You can blame the Sons of Arugal.

[WindupAtheist]

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance.... 

[Khaldun]

Everybody should be like, "Hai, guys, there isn't really death as we know it...why *not* die? Cause you pretty much get to keep on going on except maybe some bits and pieces fall off here and there. You even get to eat stuff, kiss frogs, save noble paladins, play in all the reindeer games. Why were we so afraid of death?"

[Fabricated]

I don't get why people like Garrosh when he's basically Varian with an Orc skin. He's just as big of a douche.

[Ingmar]

I think people feel like they own Garrosh's story more, because it is told through a huge long quest chain in Nagrand. King Chin was dumped on us via some shit that happened in a comic, which I think was a big story failure on Blizzard's part, particularly after creating an expectation that we'd get to be involved in the end of the whole kidnapping storyline via the quests they did have in the game.

Also King Chin has stupid hair.

[Merusk]

Alliance sent the majority of our Douchy players to Horde a while back, so that must be where the love comes from.  Unfortunately it meant we kept the unskilled pvp players.  

[Fabricated]

The people who play horde are about half the reason I have never gotten a horde character past 20. The other half is that I hate all of their leveling zones.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I think people feel like they own Garrosh's story more, because it is told through a huge long quest chain in Nagrand. King Chin was dumped on us via some shit that happened in a comic, which I think was a big story failure on Blizzard's part, particularly after creating an expectation that we'd get to be involved in the end of the whole kidnapping storyline via the quests they did have in the game.

Also King Chin has stupid hair.

His hair level is over 9000.

[Fordel]

The primary difference between Alliance and Horde players, are Horde players love to pat themselves on the back for rolling Horde.

[Kageru]

If Thrall turned around and reduced Garrosh to a green and red stain on the Carpet I'd be the first to cheer. I don't believe this is an uncommon sentiment.

Though I don't play alliance I get the same feeling from Tirion and their screaming emo child version of Garrosh.

The worse part is my girlfriend loves collecting pets, but she hates that she has to slaughter the cuter ones over and over to get them.  Sprite Darter is one of those instances.  Having not gotten that high when I played Alliance, I assume everyone got them the same way.

You know it doesn't really make that much sense. The guys who are trapping the sprite darters are hostile to the horde as well. There's even a nearby neutral night elf quest giver overlooking their camp from memory.

[Mattemeo]

Maybe the Alliance should have negotiated with Thrall when they had the chance.... 

Wow. Freesmileys totally ripped off my wanker smiley!



This one's for Fandral Staghelm.

Sorry, as you were.

[AutomaticZen]

If Thrall turned around and reduced Garrosh to a green and red stain on the Carpet I'd be the first to cheer. I don't believe this is an uncommon sentiment.

Though I don't play alliance I get the same feeling from Tirion and their screaming emo child version of Garrosh.

I was waiting for this to happen in the Thrall/Garrosh fight, but the little fucker seemed to be winning.

You know it doesn't really make that much sense. The guys who are trapping the sprite darters are hostile to the horde as well. There's even a nearby neutral night elf quest giver overlooking their camp from memory.

Yep.  Horde has a quest in that area to kill the Grimtotems.  But you can't open the cage.

[Sheepherder]

Alliance sent the majority of our Douchy players to Horde a while back, so that must be where the love comes from.  Unfortunately it meant we kept the unskilled pvp players.  

The primary difference between Alliance and Horde players, are Horde players love to pat themselves on the back for rolling Horde.

Merusk wins this round.

[SurfD]

Yeah, I hate to say it, but the VAST majority of the horde players I play with wish that some shaman would go commune with Grom's spirit, so it could come back from hanging with the other ancestors and Bitch-slap Garrosh upside the head.

ESPECIALLY considering the the whole Nagrand thing, and the fact that the whiny little prick was about ready to slit his own wrists and wallow in self pity for being heir to his Father's "I damned my people with demon's blood" legacy, and now that Thrall has shown him that Grom redeemed his family name by offing Mannoroth, the self absorbed twat is out to drag the entire horde down the path his Father killed himself to free the Orcs from.

[apocrypha]

Shit, I just play Horde cos they don't have Night Elves.


We don't talk about Blood Elves, k?

[Jayce]

You people have no idea how hard it is to read this thread and scroll like mad everytime I see the word "Wrathgate", since I just picked up WoTLK recently and am now working my way through Howling Fjord.

[WindupAtheist]

We don't talk about Blood Elves, k?

How can you not? There are more blood elves than there are orcs and tauren combined. Night Elves aren't even quite the most popular Alliance race.

You guys are basically the Blood Elf faction.  

[Sheepherder]

You people have no idea how hard it is to read this thread and scroll like mad everytime I see the word "Wrathgate", since I just picked up WoTLK recently and am now working my way through Howling Fjord.

You can actually finish it as a level 71.  I'd do it early, the rewards are good.

[AutomaticZen]

We don't talk about Blood Elves, k?

How can you not? There are more blood elves than there are orcs and tauren combined. Night Elves aren't even quite the most popular Alliance race.

You guys are basically the Blood Elf faction.  

Only way I can be a Horde Paladin sadly.

[Simond]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19595171944-dwarf-shamans-and-totems.html

It would be awfully silly to see Dwarven Shaman lugging those big ol' Draenei totems around, wouldn't it?

You'll see what we have up our sleeves for Shaman in the expansion. ;) After all, I think Tauren are getting tired of sharing theirs, too.

eeeeeeeee

[Nebu]

We don't talk about Blood Elves, k?

How can you not? There are more blood elves than there are orcs and tauren combined. Night Elves aren't even quite the most popular Alliance race.

You guys are basically the Blood Elf faction.  

My server has so many that they've coined a term for the BG's and WG:  Belfadin.  

I'm not kidding when I say that half of the horde toons in a given BG are Blood elf paladins.  

[kildorn]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/19595171944-dwarf-shamans-and-totems.html

It would be awfully silly to see Dwarven Shaman lugging those big ol' Draenei totems around, wouldn't it?

You'll see what we have up our sleeves for Shaman in the expansion. ;) After all, I think Tauren are getting tired of sharing theirs, too.

eeeeeeeee

3 inch tall totems are totally unbalanced.

Also, shoulda been gnome shaman.