"Oh btw, FFXIV Online in 2010"

[Samprimary]

Been lurking around since the Warhammer fiasco. I just wanted to point out that I'm pretty sure the 630K number is shipped, not sold. Only rumors of the actual sales exist at this point, with 330K US + EU being the usual touted number.

If that's the case, I feel moderately better. Not really in a mean sense, just because I'm rather disappointed whenever the market proves yet again it will in any sense bear terrible games.

[koro]

Justify your posting in this thread koro!

DO IT NOW OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.

My girlfriend forgot to cancel her FFXIV preorder and now has three months of this that she doesn't play. And I quit the closed beta after about three hours in sheer disgust.

Therefore I am all of the experts.

Sounds good enough for me. Write up a full transcript of your three hours in game to amuse us!

Will the liveblog version suffice?

[Simond]

^^front page review, right there.

[01101010]

Forgot the

-so I am dead, looking at my body... now what? No prompt to rez or menu of any kind.

then - logout/uninstall 

But yeah, that sums up a very nice account of the game.

[Paelos]

Ah, thanks koro. I got several good chuckles out of that. Very informative! 

[koro]

I also never tried the crafting minigames. Knowing what I know now about how they work, trying them in the beta with my single-digit FPS would've just made me kill something.

[Kageru]

Many thanks. Now I feel like I've experienced the terrible without having to give them money or time for it.

Though the fact there's lots of high levels on some of the forums is a tribute to human endurance / stupidity.

[Lantyssa]

Or they used the bug that let you ignore the xp limits and get a bazillion xp from killing rabbits.

[Chimpy]

I really haven't paid any attention at all to this game and just read the last like 5 pages of this thread.

All I can do is chuckle a little to myself as I remember back to February when Aion still had people playing, and most of them were "I am just playing this until FFXIV beta then I am gone because that game is going to be awesome!" former FFXI players.

Their numbers of boxes sold sound to be right around Vanguard levels which is pretty sad considering the huge franchise name recognition here. Hell, even if they sold the 600k number, that is still less than AoC and Warhammer which both were considerably more niche IPs than FinalFantasy.

[waffel]

Maybe they should replace the main theme music with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlrB2MQtOt8

This is probably more fitting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

[Samprimary]

this should be juxtaposed over the walk to your first quest played in realtime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO4MaP1NUJQ&feature=related

[Falconeer]

From page 2 of this thread:

So, here it comes the WoW killer.

Ho ho, seems like I was slightly wrong.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Even if this game met every expectation it wouldn't have been a wow killer.

[Chimpy]

The only thing that is going to kill WoW is when Blizzard decides to pull the plug. Or a nuclear winter.

[Shatter]

Even if this game met every expectation and gave out free BJ's it wouldn't have been a wow killer.

Fixed

[waffel]

Lets be honest, the only way to kill off WoW is if a new game comes out that offers free hotpockets, mountain dew, and 24 packs of socks.

[DLRiley]

WoW will die the minute someone makes a good game that just happens to be an mmo.

[Lantyssa]

There's no reason to think WoW players will play that game.

[01101010]

WoW will die the minute someone makes a good game that just happens to be an mmo.

Will never happen simply because WoW has ingrained itself in the culture. IMHO, its like trying to say someone is the next Beatles. WoW is so dug in that no matter what comes out next, it will always have this mystique around it which nothing will take the edge off of, regardless of how good/intuitive/graphically-intense/perfect ANY game will be.

[Draegan]

Well it's already proven there are a million or so people willing to buy a new MMO (WAR, Aion, AOC) if it looks interesting and gets moderately decent press.  If you can get generate good word of mouth and retain a good amount of players, and still keep the press decent AFTER release, then you might have a game that won't kill WOW, but will contend with it.

[DLRiley]

There's no reason to think WoW players will play that game.

True but I'm willing to wager that WoW is still too geeky for a large amount of gamers. There are many people playing online something I don't think WoW has monopolized on the majority of that real-estate.

[Mrbloodworth]

Many Wow players will never leave it.

[Nebu]

True but I'm willing to wager that WoW is still too geeky for a large amount of gamers. There are many people playing online something I don't think WoW has monopolized on the majority of that real-estate.

Online gaming is too geeky for many gamers.  Most of the gamers I know do it as a "closeted" hobby.  It's nothing they discuss willingly in public.

[DLRiley]

True but I'm willing to wager that WoW is still too geeky for a large amount of gamers. There are many people playing online something I don't think WoW has monopolized on the majority of that real-estate.

Online gaming is too geeky for many gamers.  Most of the gamers I know do it as a "closeted" hobby.  It's nothing they discuss willingly in public.

I can't tell if your trollin, but I'm rollin, like a cat on a turtle that moves mighty dirty. I mean slowly. But he picks up dirt so its dirty.

By the simple fact of where the future of game retail is going everyone is going to be an online gamer eventually. Its like WoW being released in 2004 while Ultima was released in 1999, one era was more friendly to giving out credit card info online than the other.

[HaemishM]

Sense. You do not make it.

[FieryBalrog]

Everyone is an online gamer already. Zynga has 220 million users. And I'm sure if you include stuff like online poker, fantasy football&co., you total over half a billion across the board.

It's like that scene in Men In Black where they keep zooming out one step further.

What will be the next order of magnitude up? I don't think that many people have working computers let alone internet let alone gaming time.

[Kageru]

Casual games will always have more users than a subscription based, time investment heavy MMO.

I'd be very interested to see if an MMO as good as WoW will collapse its numbers. Maybe some-day we'll actually get an MMO released that isn't just inherently flawed (CO, War, FFXIV) and find out.

[ghost]

Casual games will always have more uses than a subscription based, time investment heavy MMO.

This is the absolute killer for any MMO that is subscription based.  They try and retain players by strongarming them into grindy mechanics which require lengthy subscriptions.  Thankfully, Turbine may be turning this on its ear.  


Here's a list of the proposed fixes coming down the pike.  It's interesting, because they'll probably do all this shit and still not fix the mouse lag. 

[Simond]

Casual games will always have more users than a subscription based, time investment heavy MMO.

I'd be very interested to see if an MMO as good as WoW will collapse its numbers. Maybe some-day we'll actually get an MMO released that isn't just inherently flawed (CO, War, FFXIV) and find out.

And maybe someday we'll all get those ponies we want, too.

[Sir T]

If another game came out as good as wow (and in my humble opinion some games have come out that are) all that will happen is that the WOW fanboys will close ranks, launch a massive disinformation campaign talking about how shit that game is, that other game will die a death and WOWs numbers will increase.

Any who doubt this wisdom do not know the internet.

[Lantyssa]

I have to disagree with both.  No games that are as good have come out, and internet idiots don't have that much power.  If the games were good, they'd do fine on their own.

[Paelos]

I have to disagree with both.  No games that are as good have come out, and internet idiots don't have that much power.  If the games were good, they'd do fine on their own.

Yeah, all internet fanbois can do is circle the wagons to defend their own game, but they are powerless on offense.

[Kageru]

Actually most of the WoW heat is from fanboys on other games boards doing variants of, "This game didn't *want* to be successful like WoW, it's *special*" and being almost uniformly wrong. Most wow players are very open to their being an alternative. I know my guild has multiple threads of being hopeful that some new game will prove to be decent.

But on the other hand it has to actually be as good or better.

[Rendakor]

Actually most of the WoW heat is from fanboys on other games boards doing variants of, "This game didn't *want* to be successful like WoW, it's *special*" and being almost uniformly wrong. Most wow players are very open to their being an alternative. I know my guild has multiple threads of being hopeful that some new game will prove to be decent.

But on the other hand it has to actually be as good or better.

A thousand times this. In nearly every other MMO I've played there has been a large, vocal segment of the community that loves to talk about how much better GameX is than WoW. It was particularly funny in EQ2, a game that has changed so much since launch to be (you guessed it) more like WoW.

[Simond]

Yeah, a quick way to show this:
Log in to WoW, go to a city and ask /trade about other_mmo.
Log in to other_mmo, ask whatever the general chat channel is about WoW.

It's hilarious.