Space Marine - Relic goes 3PS console action

[Der Helm]

Is it just me or is Az approaching "psycho" critical mass with that post ?

[DLRiley]

I missed 3 pages of "Why aren't there 8 foot tall steroid filled lesbian xena female spacemarines? Spitting acid is so empowering!" 

[angry.bob]

right after demanding more women in gay porn.

The game uses Ultramarines so it's effectively the same thing.

That being said the new Sisiters "codex" sucks, they got nerfed for no good reason I can see other tan they want to Squat them but don't want to deal with actually doing it.

[angry.bob]

Space Marines ignored women in their lore for the same reason it's ignored in the game... Some dude making his Mary Sue didn't think about women.

It's a shitty justification.

Originally, the fluff had them ignore women for the same reasons the Spartans did - because they were trying to make them ultimate badass warrior brotherhood. They also had a picture of a marine in a bar with the top half of his power armor off drinking a mug of ale with his feet on the table. I haven't read fluff since about 1990 so that may have all changed. I still play, but when anyone tries to tell me about the fluff I tell them it's written by the foulest scribes hades shit back onto the earth to make bad stories for manvirgins who are to scared to talk to girls. Most people have given up, but we have one guy who plays "in character" as an Ultramarine Captain. It's painfully embarassing to even be in the shop while he does it.

[UnSub]

Is it just me or is Az approaching "psycho" critical mass with that post ?

There are some times that Az doesn't let go. Miniatures is one of those areas.

Personally, I've never seen a woman in a Games Workshop store, but that doesn't mean GW couldn't be a bit more equitable in terms of gender roles within their universe.

[Lantyssa]

Cause and effect?

[Der Helm]

... but we have one guy who plays "in character" as an Ultramarine Captain. It's painfully embarassing to even be in the shop while he does it.

Please, do tell. A picure would be nice as well. 

[Ghambit]

I once sunk low enough during Warmachine league play to bring my gf into the store as a distraction.  Works every time! errr, most of the time.  The other times I just make myself the distraction, and that seems to work also.  

Speaking of Warmachine/Hordes.  It's done WAY better incorporating females.  My best army was a femme-pirate one, complete with black and red latex suits, whips, chains, and ungodly mammaries.  The typical tactic was lopping the head off the closest thrall and using its soul as a weapon, much like said gf does in RL  .

Which leads me to this.  No one is forcing women to play with GW products.  Plenty of other stuff out there.  These days, skirmish level stuff like wm/hordes and malifaux are very female friendly.  <Insert chauvanist remark> Plus Malifaux has that swanky art noir crap going on that women like, you dont need a helluva lot of minis, and it uses cards instead of dice.  Chicks dig cards.

[kildorn]

This thread is going places.

[NowhereMan]

Honestly I don't get the complaints that there aren't enough females in the game game wise. Ignoring the Sisters there's the Eldar, clearly they're all girls

On a more serious note, I think GW has a major problem with introducing female characters and generally including them. Really outside of the Eldar they've never done it and they've made the Eldar so generally gender neutral that it just fucking doesn't matter. The IG has absolutely no reason they couldn't start making half the models female outside of the fact that a not insignificant portion of their present playerbase would nerdrage out of the game entirely, frankly if they made the change slowly enough they'd stick around anyway. Likewise any inquisition or non SM Imperial stuff could go that route, as could all the Tau stuff. As I said the Eldar are already there except for the fact they've set it up in a way that doesn't count, partly because I don't think they wanted to have strong female presences and partly because everyone hates the Eldar. Chaos can get a load of non-Chaos SM female characters, like the Imperial stuff introduce them slowly and just keep pushing it up. Don't just push out a limited run of Slaanesh worshipping cultists that are all sexay womenz with thongs on and then abandon it though, just start making one or two of the cultists in squad packs females without sticking out. Introduce female chaos champions or similar that aren't CSMs.

Of course at the same time I feel the lore is set as far as Space Marines go by now. The Adeptas Sororitas was a shitty attempt to make women a feature in 40k because it was so clearly artificial and pandering, which was a shame because I don't even think the idea itself was that bad in terms of the fluff. But seriously, Space Marine is about being an 8ft tall killing machine with a metallic skeleton, refused ribs, who can eat rocks and spit acid while never needing to sleep. At this stage I just don't think gender is an issue in terms of not really identifying. Although I'd have been pleased if they'd at least given the option to play the game with the helmet on so you could plead the Samus defence as far as alienating female gamers go. Also whine, whine, whine Steam.

[AcidCat]

I have no history with the Warhammer universe and I couldn't care less about whether or not females have a significant presence in this fictional universe. The game is solid and satisfying. Multi is pretty barebones, but the combat holds up enough to make it interesting and the unlocks/customization are nice incentives.

[Sjofn]

Cause and effect?

Ho ho ho, Lantyssa, don't be silly. Women love spending their leisure time cracking into the boy's club, so clearly if they're not doing so with, say, Warhammer 40k, it's because estrogen blocks the enjoyment of wargaming.

[amiable]

And all this emanated from a throw away line about how it would be nice for there to be a Sisters of Battle option in this game.  FFS some of you are crazy.

[Sjofn]

I was helping, dammit! 

[UnSub]

Cause and effect?

I think a mere glace from any sane woman into a GW store sends evolutionary warning bells screaming "RUN AWAY RUN AWAY" in their head.

And all this emanated from a throw away line about how it would be nice for there to be a Sisters of Battle option in this game.  FFS some of you are crazy.

We agreed the long way.

And I've added this to my long list of games to look at one day.

[Kitsune]

Future announcement from GW:  "Cor blimey chaps, we've been hearing a spot of bother about not including birds in the Warhammer setting.  Well we're here to say that indeed half of the space marines are women!  Yes indeed.  Only the genetic implants they receive turn them into blokes.  Bit of a bother, really.  Anyhow, keep up the good work of buying our now-rubber miniatures for thirty pounds apiece, for the emperor!"

[Ironwood]

Really ?  That's what they sound like ?

 

[Ghambit]

Really ?  That's what they sound like ?

 

It was Ork propaganda.
Speaking of which...  oh, nvm

[Sir T]

Really ?  That's what they sound like ?

Pretty much yes.

[FieryBalrog]

I didn't see people complaining that you can't play a male lead in Bayonetta, or the strong matriarchal themes in that game.

Frankly I don't give a shit either way. There are entire genres and areas of popular culture devoted to female fantasy (like teen fiction). I honestly don't care that some things cut the other way.

Game I didn't play, so I'm not likely to complain about something like that. I do generally dislike that, though, I bitched for months about the female-only classes being added to DAoC back in the day, for example. But if you thought Bayonetta was some sort of feminist manifesto made game-flesh ... I really don't know what to tell you.

So a game where most men are powerless fuckups and women run shit is.... uh, what? Just the baseline?

I just doubt you'd see a game/media go the other way nowadays without people dogpiling on it as misogynist.

[Ingmar]

Maybe next time they'll even do it without making the main character a ridiculous over the top T&A caricature.

[Fordel]

Is this where we try to say the hulking He-Men that most male protagonists are in game are just a objectifying or whatever? 

[Sjofn]

Pretty sure that's next on the list, yeah.

[murdoc]

[Ginaz]

I got this game when it was released and so far I'm having a blast.  Haven't tried multiplayer yet but the single player side is fun, even though its a very linear experience.  I never get tired of the excecutions.

As for the game not having any playable female characters, I don't have a huge problem with it because, even today, theres not too many women involved in combat trades.  Even less so in a "special forces" type unit like the Space Marines seem to be (not too familiar with the 40,000K lore).  I've been in the military since 1994 and I've seen very few women in combat trades like infantry (I was infantry for 7 years), armour, artillery and combat engineers.  Most of them go into non-combat trades (like I am now) not because they're forced to but because they generally don't want to.  Believe it or not, GI Jane is mostly Hollywood fiction thats not reflected in reality.

I think I'll run and hide for awhile now.

[Dren]

Tried the demo on Steam this weekend.  Don't see enough to pay full price.  I might come back when it is considerably cheaper.  There are just too many other options for less right now.  If you are one that has already gone through everything out there and have been dieing for something new and shiny, by all means get it now.  At the very least download the demo.  You get to run through two different chunks of the content. 

What I basically saw was lots of wading through legions of greenskins making gore fly around over and over.  Great graphics and the gameplay seemed solid.

[Fordel]

I got this game when it was released and so far I'm having a blast.  Haven't tried multiplayer yet but the single player side is fun, even though its a very linear experience.  I never get tired of the excecutions.

As for the game not having any playable female characters, I don't have a huge problem with it because, even today, theres not too many women involved in combat trades.  Even less so in a "special forces" type unit like the Space Marines seem to be (not too familiar with the 40,000K lore).  I've been in the military since 1994 and I've seen very few women in combat trades like infantry (I was infantry for 7 years), armour, artillery and combat engineers.  Most of them go into non-combat trades (like I am now) not because they're forced to but because they generally don't want to.  Believe it or not, GI Jane is mostly Hollywood fiction thats not reflected in reality.

I think I'll run and hide for awhile now.

Thing 40k is not: An accurate representation of real life military demographics.

There weren't many women fighting in the olden days either, yet folks can make their lady warriors in WoW or whatever. 




I think what I enjoy best about single player (haven't tried multi), is the different ways you can approach it. I basically used two weapons 90% of the time, my default bolter gun and my storm hammer. Ingmar did the opposite, sniping his way through most of the game. I could replay through the single at least a few times without it being completely stale.

[Sheepherder]

Thing 40k is not: An accurate representation of real life military demographics anything.

[Sophismata]

Originally, the fluff had them ignore women for the same reasons the Spartans did - because they were trying to make them ultimate badass warrior brotherhood.

That's an odd thing to say. One of the things Sparta was renowned for was being an egalitarian society (gender-wise).

I am impressed by the fact that the picture posted has avoided having high-heeled combat boots. That's kinda sad, I guess.

[Ginaz]

I got this game when it was released and so far I'm having a blast.  Haven't tried multiplayer yet but the single player side is fun, even though its a very linear experience.  I never get tired of the excecutions.

As for the game not having any playable female characters, I don't have a huge problem with it because, even today, theres not too many women involved in combat trades.  Even less so in a "special forces" type unit like the Space Marines seem to be (not too familiar with the 40,000K lore).  I've been in the military since 1994 and I've seen very few women in combat trades like infantry (I was infantry for 7 years), armour, artillery and combat engineers.  Most of them go into non-combat trades (like I am now) not because they're forced to but because they generally don't want to.  Believe it or not, GI Jane is mostly Hollywood fiction thats not reflected in reality.

I think I'll run and hide for awhile now.

Thing 40k is not: An accurate representation of real life military demographics.

There weren't many women fighting in the olden days either, yet folks can make their lady warriors in WoW or whatever. 




I think what I enjoy best about single player (haven't tried multi), is the different ways you can approach it. I basically used two weapons 90% of the time, my default bolter gun and my storm hammer. Ingmar did the opposite, sniping his way through most of the game. I could replay through the single at least a few times without it being completely stale.

I know its not an accurate representation, I'm just giving a reason as to why you don't see many women.  40K was created in the 80's, when a woman in a combat role was almost unheard of so perhaps the guys that created it never considered women as Space Marines for that reason.  For the time, having no women as a super soldier made sense.  That being said, theres nothing preventing them from updating the  lore to include more women in the 40K universe.

[Tebonas]

Of course there is...

[Ironwood]

 

[Der Helm]

 

[Lantyssa]

Why has that dude's manhood been replaced with flagella?

[Fordel]

The Emperor Protects?