Here comes the next content patch (3.2)

[Ingmar]

Well, what I'm talking about isn't sitting out people who haven't geared up; I do that, nobody complains (at least to me.)

But we (like I am sure all guilds like ours, which formed organically rather than with a purpose in mind) have some shall we say tactically limited players with good gear, though, and I really am just not comfortable with the idea of telling someone, sorry you suck, stay home. That's not in the spirit of the game, for me. Plus I do get a kick out of it when they improve.

I do sometimes bitch ENDLESSLY in /o, but I mean, that's just staying sane, right?

[kildorn]

I was surprised when our pug tank didn't flip out or noticeably blink when an earth elemental showed up during a random trash pull in H-Culling. <3

I could probably heal a lot better if we actually sat down and talked about as a guild how we do healing, but at the same time it's not something I rage about at any point. Unless it's Hodir, at which point I silently wish anyone who eats falling ice would die horribly. <3

[Mattemeo]

I am clearly never going to see the inside of Ulduar until they realise what a hole Shadow Priests are currently in, so I have finally admitted defeat and taken a secondary spec. Going with Disc - my main will never, never be Holy - but of course now I'm only geared up for DPS (haha), hate healing and have little to no idea what my competence level is. I do actually feel like I can't win right now.

[kildorn]

Heal Naxx.

Your gearsets won't be terribly different, unless you were gearing for spirit for some odd reason.

edit: did you not spec yet? I'm not showing a secondary spec for you. I AM showing missing head/shoulder enchants, missing gems, and a +stam leg enchant, though! ;)

[Hindenburg]

I am clearly never going to see the inside of Ulduar until they realise what a hole Shadow Priests are currently in, so I have finally admitted defeat and taken a secondary spec. Going with Disc - my main will never, never be Holy - but of course now I'm only geared up for DPS (haha), hate healing and have little to no idea what my competence level is. I do actually feel like I can't win right now.

Have fun.

[K9]

I am clearly never going to see the inside of Ulduar until they realise what a hole Shadow Priests are currently in, so I have finally admitted defeat and taken a secondary spec. Going with Disc - my main will never, never be Holy - but of course now I'm only geared up for DPS (haha), hate healing and have little to no idea what my competence level is. I do actually feel like I can't win right now.

Spec 57/14/0. Stack int until you have enough regen to not go oom in a 5 minute fight then stack spellpower. Roll shields over your raid members and use the haste from borrowed time to throw out penance and flash heals. Pre-empt raid damage with shields and use borrowed time to caste PoH. Don't forget to cast power infusion on another caster.

Disc is way more fun than holy.

[Sjofn]

I was surprised when our pug tank didn't flip out or noticeably blink when an earth elemental showed up during a random trash pull in H-Culling. <3

That goddamn thing.

[Hindenburg]

Why so much hate for the earth elemental? Got a terrible healer shaman dropping that thing during a h-up yesterday, and it didn't really bother me.

Now, aotd...

[Nevermore]

AotD is awesome on Black Knight phase 2.

[kildorn]

Why so much hate for the earth elemental? Got a terrible healer shaman dropping that thing during a h-up yesterday, and it didn't really bother me.

Now, aotd...

One of our shaman has Heroism and Earth Ele bound to strange buttons.

And he will frequently hit them in the middle of trash packs, on bosses, while walking down a hallway, whenever. Really, nothing says it's a raid like SURPRISE HEROISM to make group buffing faster.

It just makes Sjofn rage, and makes us all wonder if you can appeal to have a spell removed from a character <3

[Hindenburg]

AotD is awesome on Black Knight phase 2.

Frost DK with killing spree up. Just IF, HB and DnD, then ERW, spread diseases and wait 4 sec, then HB and BB. They'll all be dead and someone'll be under the tank in dps  

But yes, AotD helps. Problem is that you can chain-run that place faster than the thing cools down.
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Oh yeah, anyone who hasn't solo'ed ony yet should do so asap. Travel time doesn't make it as profitable as doing a few dailies, but it's kinda fun.

[jpark]

That's not in the spirit of the game, for me. Plus I do get a kick out of it when they improve.

I am by no means a good player - but eventually my thick skull learns how to do things properly even if it takes weeks of practice (Iron council anyone?).  I feel that blizzard is nerfing the difficulty of the game over time not because players can't do it, but because they are not willing to fail and learn.
 

[Fordel]

No, there is a large and significant portion of the player base that just sucks that much.

[kildorn]

Some things they nerfed were just beyond some players (XT's raid wipe tantrum? Yeah, as much as I miss it, it was likely beyond a lot of people to manage to heal properly)

There's overnerfed or trivial content like ToC, and there's tuned to be functional to most people, like XT. Even if that means we'll joke about fucking casuals every time XT eats a round of nerfs.

[Fordel]

Game has been out what, 5 years?


Fuckers still can't grasp "Don't stand in the fire".

[Merusk]

No, there is a large and significant portion of the player base that just sucks that much.

This is very much the truth.  The Eve forum has an "awful setups" thread, you easily could go through Armory and do the same with talent builds and gear. 

[Fordel]

See, that shit you can at least fix if you really wanted too. "Yo, spec this, since you have no clue!" etc.


But the umm "workload" on any but the simplest tasks in the game are just too much for many people. Half the time they KNOW what they need to do, they just can't execute, at all.

[kildorn]

Hodir set raider learning back at least two years. "nono, this time stand in the fire!" "WAIT, I thought I got gkicked for that! I'm CONFUSED"

[jpark]

Hodir set raider learning back at least two years. "nono, this time stand in the fire!" "WAIT, I thought I got gkicked for that! I'm CONFUSED"

I can agree here probably the best example of this utter inability is Thaddius in 25 man naxx.  How many guys forget to move or move to the wrong side and kill several people?

[Rendakor]

Malygos phase1 has the same effect kildorn.

[kildorn]

Hodir set raider learning back at least two years. "nono, this time stand in the fire!" "WAIT, I thought I got gkicked for that! I'm CONFUSED"

I can agree here probably the best example of this utter inability is Thaddius in 25 man naxx.  How many guys forget to move or move to the wrong side and kill several people?

Thaddius-fails mystify me. It's really stupidly easy. Like, jumpfails I get. But swap fails? You've got some five seconds of no effect to get the fuck on the right side. Christ people.

[Sjofn]

Why so much hate for the earth elemental? Got a terrible healer shaman dropping that thing during a h-up yesterday, and it didn't really bother me.

Now, aotd...

That fucking thing.

[K9]

Killed Vezax for the first time; unusual fight with crap loot. Had some goes on Yogg, but the clouds proved tricky for us. Don't touch the clouds is not standing in the fire squared. 

[SurfD]

Hodir set raider learning back at least two years. "nono, this time stand in the fire!" "WAIT, I thought I got gkicked for that! I'm CONFUSED"

Hodir is probably one of the most task intensive fights in the game if you are a DPS class.  There is SOOO much shit to pay attention to.

Dont stand in the small blue rune
Do stand in the Moon beam
Dont forget to jump / move every 3 seconds
Try to stand next to the toasty fire
Kill the iceblocks
Don't stand in the big blue rune, but make sure you are RIGHT beside it so you can stand on the snowdrift when it falls.
Stand close enough that aoe heals will hit multiple people during Frozen blows but...
Dont stand in the small blue rune
If you get the Storm Cloud run to the magic dps
If someone gets a storm cloud, try to get to them if you are magic dps BUT...
try to stay near the toasty fire to keep Buff stacks on the boss
and dont forget to jump / move every 3 seconds.
and try to stand in the moonbeam if you have Storm Power.

Fuck, i LONG for the days when all i had to do was remember not to cross polaritys, or get away from the raid because "you have the bomb".

[jpark]

I do like how the "load" of the fight varies by class with each boss.  Hodir is easy for a tank - and the General - but it is much more demanding for other classes. I love running the gauntlet for Thorium through the hallways to reach the other half of the raid at the boss - that is a real hoot.

The game is changing quicklly though - rightly or wrongly - as recently as BC many heroics could be genuinely difficult.  I was shocked to complete the new 5 man on this patch in the first run without reading anything - shocked again to accomplish the same on the heroic/hardmode.

Observations:

1.  As a tank who never did the new 5 man content before and was running it for the first time, I had TWO groups dissolve on me the first night of the new content before we even started the run because they wanted an experienced tank.

2.  Was on the 25 man for the new content and after two wipes on the first boss, a few people dropped raid who seemed to feel the encounter was too difficult for the raid.


Candy runs wanted :)

[kildorn]

Hodir set raider learning back at least two years. "nono, this time stand in the fire!" "WAIT, I thought I got gkicked for that! I'm CONFUSED"

Hodir is probably one of the most task intensive fights in the game if you are a DPS class.  There is SOOO much shit to pay attention to.

Dont stand in the small blue rune
Do stand in the Moon beam
Dont forget to jump / move every 3 seconds
Try to stand next to the toasty fire
Kill the iceblocks
Don't stand in the big blue rune, but make sure you are RIGHT beside it so you can stand on the snowdrift when it falls.
Stand close enough that aoe heals will hit multiple people during Frozen blows but...
Dont stand in the small blue rune
If you get the Storm Cloud run to the magic dps
If someone gets a storm cloud, try to get to them if you are magic dps BUT...
try to stay near the toasty fire to keep Buff stacks on the boss
and dont forget to jump / move every 3 seconds.
and try to stand in the moonbeam if you have Storm Power.

Fuck, i LONG for the days when all i had to do was remember not to cross polaritys, or get away from the raid because "you have the bomb".

Fuck you, DPS. <3

Do stand in fire, well, try to stand in fire. Try to move every 3 seconds. Also cast AE heals during certain phases, and weigh moving to drop the debuff versus healing to keep things from dying. Try to get that mana back while healing DPS who fail the above between these phases. Find time to dispel because your paladins think 4-5s response times on a cleanse is keeping on top of shit.

Seriously, while I like Hodir in a "this makes me play to a higher level" sense, it's fucking stressful as shit to heal.

[AutomaticZen]

Do stand in fire, well, try to stand in fire. Try to move every 3 seconds. Also cast AE heals during certain phases, and weigh moving to drop the debuff versus healing to keep things from dying. Try to get that mana back while healing DPS who fail the above between these phases. Find time to dispel because your paladins think 4-5s response times on a cleanse is keeping on top of shit.

Get those bitches a Cleanse macro and Grid.

[K9]

Fuck you, DPS. <3

Do stand in fire, well, try to stand in fire. Try to move every 3 seconds. Also cast AE heals during certain phases, and weigh moving to drop the debuff versus healing to keep things from dying. Try to get that mana back while healing DPS who fail the above between these phases. Find time to dispel because your paladins think 4-5s response times on a cleanse is keeping on top of shit.

Seriously, while I like Hodir in a "this makes me play to a higher level" sense, it's fucking stressful as shit to heal.

PW:S, *hop*, *run*, ProM, PW:S, PW:S, *hop*, *reach fire* Penance

 

[bhodi]

No, you should be going for the haste light beam, not the fire.

[K9]

Really? I'll give that a go. I've never had any issues with haste since I generally have borrowed time up anytime I want to use something with a cast-time. For channeling divine hymn I'd rather be by a fire I think. It's not really a fight we have any issues with now though, so I can fuck around with stuff a bit.

[bhodi]

You stand in the light beam during frozen blows and spam PoH for victory. It makes it much, much easier.

[kildorn]

You stand in the light beam during frozen blows and spam PoH for victory. It makes it much, much easier.

I'll hug a light beam or a fire depending on which is nearby. Both serve the purpose of allowing me to stand somewhere and concentrate on casting instead of hopping.

[SurfD]

You stand in the light beam during frozen blows and spam PoH for victory. It makes it much, much easier.

I'll hug a light beam or a fire depending on which is nearby. Both serve the purpose of allowing me to stand somewhere and concentrate on casting instead of hopping.

Yeah, light beams are somewhat more useful then fires for healers.  Fires only let healers stand still without stacking the debuff, light gives you crazy haste.

Caster DPS on the otherhand, you ALWAYS need at least one of them on a fire at ALL times, to make sure you are keeping the singed debuff up on the boss.

[Hindenburg]

Hrm. Blizz either buffed the heck out of the champions or I'm getting a string of terrible healers.

Also got a shaman that claimed his class couldn't interrupt spells 

[Sheepherder]

The priest in the five-man?  That one is a major cockstab for a number of classes.