PS3

[Ghambit]

You want a holodeck, we get it.   But then you only THINK you want it, because it becomes "the outdoors" for the things you're asking for.  You know, that think you're avoiding right now by playing video games instead of taking classes in any of this stuff.

Classes for this stuff in many cases arent geographically or monetarily possible.  Which ironically is the whole purpose of the "holodeck."  So yah, you kinda retorted your own cynicism.

[schild]

You want a holodeck, we get it.   But then you only THINK you want it, because it becomes "the outdoors" for the things you're asking for.  You know, that think you're avoiding right now by playing video games instead of taking classes in any of this stuff.

Classes for this stuff in many cases arent geographically or monetarily possible.  Which ironically is the whole purpose of the "holodeck."  So yah, you kinda retorted your own cynicism.

You still spout some insane ridiculous crap sometimes. Less of that, plox. We already have enough folks who can't wrap their heads around simple genre definition, being in (above, and beyond) the clouds doesn't particularly help.

[HaemishM]

For me, motion controls are all about adding to immersion. If that's done with true 1:1 motion mapping, so be it. If it takes a certain range of motions to trigger decent pre-scripted animations and actions, I'm fine with that too. I don't really give a fuck HOW it's done, so long as the added immersion is there and the game is worth a fuck. Most of the Wii waggle games neither added immersion nor were great games.

[Mrbloodworth]

We all know the initial and most likely most popular will be the ones with a good amount of allowance. However we also should know, someone is going to try a 1:1 version.

[rrazcueta]

For me, motion controls are all about adding to immersion. If that's done with true 1:1 motion mapping, so be it. If it takes a certain range of motions to trigger decent pre-scripted animations and actions, I'm fine with that too. I don't really give a fuck HOW it's done, so long as the added immersion is there and the game is worth a fuck. Most of the Wii waggle games neither added immersion nor were great games.

QFT

The answer to this question of whether motion controls is useful or not is really a sidestep from the conversation occurring here. Some games used motion control really well; Wii Sports Resort, No More Heroes, Winning Eleven. These games didn't have motion control sitting in for button controls. And only one of them attempts 1:1 control. The thing that brings them all together is that all of these games were *built* for motion control. It's not if the motion control is done 1:1 that makes it good. It's if the motion control fits in with the game that makes it good.

If you own a Wii and haven't figured this out, you've been asleep at the wheel.

[Draegan]

Unless you can plug something into my head so "I know Kung-fu" I don't want to flail around my living room trying to do a roundhouse kick on someone.

Plus I don't play games that I can't drink beer while playing.

[schild]

No More Heroes, Winning Eleven

These games didn't have motion control sitting in for button controls.

You're wrong. In fact, it's PRECISELY what they had.

[rrazcueta]

Sorry. Winning Eleven used the Wiimote as a laser pointer to direct the players on the field. It was really satisfying in the same way it is satisfying to tell your teammates where to go in a real sport. Also, I'm not 100% sure, but the kicking always felt analog to me. It's a much different experience playing that one.

And while No More Heroes used a lot of motion controls that were in fact binary, a lot of them were linked to the specific feeling Suda wanted you to feel at the moment you committed the action (I'm talking wrestling moves more than battery charging. Though that does fit in quite well here) in addition to player stance being linked directly to the direction the Wiimote was held. Tilted up for standard attacks, tilted down for sneakier attacks. It's all about how the game feels.

[schild]

And buttons and analog sticks can do all of that and have for a long, long time. You're now making the argument that they're "different enough" for you. Which is fine, but don't reverse what you said 3 posts prior because someone called you on it, just say "yea, you're right, my bad" or whatever.

[rrazcueta]

I never said that these games are "different enough". I'm saying that these games were made from the ground up for motion controls. That you can substitute buttons or analog sticks doesn't matter.

[schild]

[Azazel]

This here thread got all messed up by that last tangent. Let's talk about something else. 

[Musashi]

Next month I am buying a PS3.  I'd really like to find one of those backwards compatible ones so I can play all my games on my PC monitor (has hdmi in).  So I've been keeping an eye out, and doing a little poking around.  It seems they are out there to be had, but most commonly on ebay.  I'm not sure I want to pay all that money for electronic equipment on ebay.  That said, I'll do it if I have to.  There were also a few on Craigslist which isn't ideal either.  I'm wondering if they ever come into EBStop, Fry's, or what-have-you as refurbs and aren't immediately gouged to like 500$?  Someplace I can bring it back in if it immediately dies?  Or is there's a better way to get hold of one that I am unaware of?  Are there any hardware upgrades that newer models have that the older ones don't?  Are they worth not worrying about backwards compatibility?

[stray]

Probably not easy finding one in Gamestop.

New hardware-wise, the newer ones just have larger hard drives and come with rumble controllers, I think.

I don't know if BC is worth it. You could probably buy a new PS3 and a seperate PS2 for the same amount of cash. It's convenient though.

[rrazcueta]

Next month I am buying a PS3.  I'd really like to find one of those backwards compatible ones so I can play all my games on my PC monitor (has hdmi in).  So I've been keeping an eye out, and doing a little poking around.  It seems they are out there to be had, but most commonly on ebay.  I'm not sure I want to pay all that money for electronic equipment on ebay.  That said, I'll do it if I have to.  There were also a few on Craigslist which isn't ideal either.  I'm wondering if they ever come into EBStop, Fry's, or what-have-you as refurbs and aren't immediately gouged to like 500$?  Someplace I can bring it back in if it immediately dies?  Or is there's a better way to get hold of one that I am unaware of?  Are there any hardware upgrades that newer models have that the older ones don't?  Are they worth not worrying about backwards compatibility?

They guys at my Gamestop know me. They're not exactly the nicest people in the world, but they know my videogame addiction is necessary for their business, so they *would have* ordered a 60gig from another store to their store. The GS they would have had it shipped from was 5 minutes from my friend's house, so she picked it up for me on one of her trips home instead. It's a hassle, but it's the only way to get a warranty (I'm pretty sure it's just 30 days, though). $350 isn't a bad price, either.

That said, good luck making friends with GS employees. Especially if they're 360 fans. :-\

[Draegan]

I'm thinking of trading my dust collecting video collection in at gamestop and buying a PS3 tomorrow.  I have no need for my 360 or the games on it anymore, and I haven't touched them in years and GS is having a deal right now, I might save some cash. 

I used to horde all my games as a collection, now for some reason, I see them all as a waste of space.

[Azazel]

You should offer the games on f13. If your GS is anything like my EB, you'll get worse than a pittance for them.

[Draegan]

I'd get a pittance for them regardless.  Plus I wouldn't charge much for the games I have.  You can get most of them for bargain prices I would imagine already.

[Rasix]

They may still have the 50% bonus going on.  Adds up.  I traded in two Wii games that ending up being worth $52 (as opposed to the $40 worth toward FFXIII I would have gotten with their other deal).

I only really save games I love anymore or games that I plan on replaying.  One and done games.. tend to go back if they're not RPGs.  I don't tend to get much replay value from action titles.

[stray]

I can only keep things around if they have some intrinsic replay value. I have kept VC simply out of sheer adoration (although it's somewhat replayable).. But the only other story game is Dragon Age for dev created content. Whats left is a few fighter and racers. Don't care much for the replay/online value of shooters.

[Azazel]

I keep my old/finished games since they're pretty close to worthless for trade-ins, and I can't be bothered with the effort of trying to sell them through forums etc.

[Draegan]

They may still have the 50% bonus going on.  Adds up.  I traded in two Wii games that ending up being worth $52 (as opposed to the $40 worth toward FFXIII I would have gotten with their other deal).

I only really save games I love anymore or games that I plan on replaying.  One and done games.. tend to go back if they're not RPGs.  I don't tend to get much replay value from action titles.

They actually have about three deals going on right now that add bonus money towards FFXIII and PS3's.  Gonna take advantage of that.

[Draegan]

So I sold my old Xbox360 and Wii console.  I sold a shit ton of old shitty PS2 games along with 2 or 3 Wii games and my 360 games, and believe it or not, a few Gamecube games.  I sold a few extra controllers etc. as well.

Managed to score 400 bucks that converted into a PS3, Demon Souls, and FFXIII a long with 30 extra bucks in credit.  All brand new.

Not a bad haul.  My receipt I took home is 3 feet long.  I was going to take a picture of it but I'm pretty sure no one would care, and I would be ridiculed for owning PS2's The Bouncer.

Now I've got a shit load of old Xbox (not 360) games that they wouldn't buy.  Anyone want any?

[HaemishM]

No More Heroes, Winning Eleven

These games didn't have motion control sitting in for button controls.

You're wrong. In fact, it's PRECISELY what they had.

Don't know about Winning Eleven (is that Pro Evolution in the US?) but No More Heroes DID have annoying button-press waggle in them. The only part of No More Heroes that wasn't annoying fuckfaced waggle was the goddamn boss battles (which is what the entire game should have consisted of).

[caladein]

Don't know about Winning Eleven (is that Pro Evolution in the US?)

Yes.

As for trade-ins, I usually don't bother with it unless there's a special going on (like when Amazon launched their trade-in program I cleaned a nice bit of shelf space).

[Yegolev]

About saving games, I used the fact that I don't trade in games twice this past weekend to help someone remember a game.  We wanted to know what game was it that removed mana from the sequel (spurred by the FFXIII combat system), and after staring at the shelves for a bit we figured out it was Fable/II.  Also one other, but I don't remember what we were confused about.  Interestingly, I could probably remember if I went down and stared at the shelves for a bit.

Not ready to replace my TV for 3D.  You guys let me know how it turns out.

[Azazel]

Yeah, I'm not keen on needing to wear goggles to watch TV in my own home. Or have a pile of spare goggles sitting around in case someone else should happen to come and visit, and want to watch a movie.

Fuck goggles.

[ffc]

The Wii's IR sensor allows you to control the field ("free run") in Pro Evo / Winning Eleven in a way not possible on other consoles.  These controls are not waggle and cannot be substituted with analogue sticks or buttons.  To say otherwise means you haven't seen or played it. 

If the PS3 gets PES 2011 in HD with the exact same Wii controls then it will be the greatest soccer football sports game ever made.

[Rasix]

Ok.

[Velorath]

Yeah, I'm not keen on needing to wear goggles to watch TV in my own home. Or have a pile of spare goggles sitting around in case someone else should happen to come and visit, and want to watch a movie.

Fuck goggles.

Especially since 3D glasses are supposed to cost around $150 each (according to Samsung's recently announced prices anyway).

[Salamok]

Are we ready to replace this thread with a subforum yet?

[Yegolev]

[Velorath]

It's absolutely brilliant of Sony not to have PS3's in stock at a lot of retailers on the day when one of their biggest releases hits. 

[KallDrexx]

well blah.  Looks like PS3s still have freezing issues.  My PS3 completely froze while playing Dragon Age last night.

[Yegolev]

At the risk of being labeled a fanboi, I can't think of any console I have had that hasn't frozen.  Except maybe the Wii.