Carbonite crosses line, reams everyone with infinidick

[Hindenburg]

Usually the error message gives some tip about the mod that's broken.

[schild]

In Battlegrounds it didn't give me a huge advantage. I can see it being huge in open-world PvP.

Oh, btw - my addon loadout and why (I am a huge addon junkie):

Raiding:
  -- CT RA (more out of habit, Blizzard's raid frames are fine)
  -- Omen (Bilzzard's threatmeter UI isn't good enough)
  -- Deadly Boss Mods (since WoW raiding these days is "stay out of the glowy crap" may be getting superfluous - we'll see come Ulduar)
  -- Atlas (OMG WHERE DO I GO)
  -- AtlasLoot (OMG WHAT DO I LOOT)
  -- AtlasQuest (OMG WHAT DO I TURN IN)
 
Socializing:
  -- Prat (various nice-to-have chat frame improvements in one mod)
  -- Cellular (spawns new windows when you get a /tell so you can wipe the raid because you can't see the screen when omgdrama occurs)
  -- AuldLangSyne (gives you a fancy display for guild/friend lists which integrates very well into FuBar. Displays notes in the list so you can easily tag people's alts.)
  -- Elephant (chat logging - which for whatever reason isn't in the base client)
  -- ImmersionRP (I play on an RP server and by god I want to see everyone's hysterically bad RP descriptions)

Prettiness:
  -- agUnitFrames (I prefer this to XPerl, it's totally an aesthetic call at this point)
  -- FuBar (I like menubars. Necessary addons include DurabilityFu to autorepair and GarbageFu to autosell)
 
Questiness:
  -- QuestHelper (switched to this from Carbonite)
  -- TourGuide (GO HERE YOU FOOL, invaluable when trying to powerlevel your way through content)
  -- Jame's TourGuides (far better than the included ones with the base addon. Note: the Icecrown one sucks ass.)
  -- LightHeaded (in-game browser of Wowhead quest comments, a distressing number of which are "I solo'd this with my huntard")
  -- QuestGuru (quest history, better minion, etc.)
  -- Cartographer (basic map improvements)

Killingness:
  -- Quartz (if you are a caster, uh, get this. Casting bars for you and your enemies, DoT timers, GCD tracking, swing timers, etc etc etc)

Theorycrafting 101:
  -- DrDamage (in-game theorycrafting which gives you estimated damage and DPS for all your buttonz)
  -- Pawn (like DrDamage for gear. You can hit up elitistjerks for the point values for your spec and see at a glance which pair of pants you should wear)
  -- RatingsBuster (gives you the math on how much stats will affect various things, in case you don't want to just rely on Pawn to think for you)

Usability/Convienence:
  -- Autobar (I hate playing without autobar. Autopopulating hotbar for things like potions and quest items.)
  -- CTCore, CTBuff, CTMail
  -- EquipCompare (always shows what you have equipped when you have an item tooltip up)
  -- Sellfish (always show the vendor price for an item)
  -- VendorBait (always highlights at a glance what's the most renumerative quest reward)

You have more Addons for WoW than I have PC games on this boss-ass computer.

You know, if you want the game to play itself, you can just download ProgressQuest.

[Fabricated]

In Battlegrounds it didn't give me a huge advantage. I can see it being huge in open-world PvP.

Oh, btw - my addon loadout and why (I am a huge addon junkie):

-- ImmersionRP (I play on an RP server and by god I want to see everyone's hysterically bad RP descriptions)

Is it better than FlagRSP?



 

By the way I think this screenshot I took crystallizes WoW. Blocked the goldseller address for extra irony and to not promote the shitheels.

[Ingmar]

 

[Fordel]

What, no eye patch?

[Gobbeldygook]

I used to have a belf bank alt.  It lived in silvermoon.  Then I logged onto it after a raid to belfs having gay sex in the inn above the bank.  Two weeks in a row.  I am not kidding.  I moved the bank alt to TB.

[Fordel]

It's not called Cybermoon for nothing.

[Nevermore]

That guy could have saved himself some typing by just writing in: Hi, I'm really a dude and I'm playing with one hand.

[kildorn]

What the HELL, image. 

[Chimpy]

I about choked down the laughter at "smoothe cunny", then I vomited a bit after continuing on to the end.

[pants]

"smoothe cunny" - is that how they manage to keep it RPy?  Like Ye Olde Cottage and stuff like that?

"Prithee yon slave.  May I rapest thou smoothe cunny?"

Gold spam just elevates the humour another level.

[Merusk]

Hey, it doesn't have to be a guy.   It could also be a very overweight teenage girl with low self-esteem.  That's the two archetypal players of that sort of profile I remember from my RPing days.

[Lantyssa]

Gods.  I'm glad I ditched FlagRSP when I quit two years ago.  What passes for RP on my old server was all in that vein.  As someone who enjoys good RP, it made me hate people.

A few weeks ago I was playing my newbie Hordeling and someone was jokingly sending people to Kirin Tor for 'good' RP.  I made a sarcastic comment about Goldshire and we started commiserating about the state of our home server.  Apparently it hasn't gotten better in two years.

[Sheepherder]

Something Awful did this already.

[JWIV]

That desc is awesome.     

[Fabricated]

Something Awful did this already.

My single shot is better than that entire article. :colbert:

[Hindenburg]

good RP

Ha! Good one.

[caladein]

You have more Addons for WoW than I have PC games on this boss-ass computer.

You know, if you want the game to play itself, you can just download ProgressQuest.

Outside of some of the mods Lum listed under "Questiness", none of those mods really do anything except gather and/or display information differently than the default client.  (AutoBar is a bit different, although like most pure-convenience mods, its features slowly get added into the base interface.)  Most of them just save an alt-tab to either Wowhead (for drop tables, quest information, maps) or your favorite spreadsheet / simulator.

As to the question of patch-day hilarity: I run a pretty similar set of mods to Lum's (although the exact mod used is different in a few cases) and I haven't had any sort of interface cataclysm since the launch of TBC.

[Lantyssa]

good RP

Ha! Good one.

No, really.  All it takes is someone who can stay in character and understands they're an average Jane in whatever fantastic world they're playing in.  Unfortunately, the five of us are spread out amongst games and servers, and tend to go into hiding around people who claim to be RPers.

[Nevermore]

It's probably not too difficult to hide with the sea of monster flesh orbs that populate the online 'RP' servers.

This is one of the reasons why tabletop RP is infinitely better than MMO 'RP'.  Imagine some clown trying to pull off something like that when they'd have to look everyone else in the eye.

[Dren]

What dailies are you doing that aren't just circuits?  After the 20th time of doing a set of dailies, they're pretty much mental auto pilot. It's like driving to work, you might need directions to your new job, but after working there for a month you should probably know the route without turning on the GPS every morning.

It's different on actual leveling quests, either you have a good memory for that useless crap or you don't. But daily quest management? Even the random cooking ones are a small enough pool that it's easy to remember what drops where.

As I said, I do not play like you do.   I do not go do the quests as soon as I accept them.  I hate dailies.  I avoid them whenever possible, but I likes the dough.  So, when I see a quest giver, I grab the quest and go on my way.  I'll have my quest book full of dailies before I get the notion to actually do them.  Or, I'll simply do them as I'm flying over an area that is lit up by Carbonite and then keep moving on my way.  I'll turn it in later as I feel the need/want.

In my playstyle, the add-on is simply organizing and displaying these things to me so I can choose whether I want to do the activities now, or just wait until another time when I'm in the area.  I view Carbonite as an executive assistant.  It doesn't do the work for me, but organizes it and presents it to me so I can fit it into my schedule.  Simple as that.

I play this way across 5 characters right now, which will grow to an eventual 9 (2 lvl 70's waiting their turn.)  I got my druid to 80 last night (5th one.)  So, I'll have 5 characters with up to 10-15 dailies on their logs at any given time from any given area.  If I feel like logging into my Warlock, for example, I don't have to read through my quest book to see what I should be doing today.  I just take off and watch the map as I'm looking for herbs (gatherer) or travelling to an instance.  Hey, there's an area or a "?" I need to look into.  I either collect my cash or do the quest then move on.

By the way, I lvl'ed that druid to 80 last night (about 20 mins.)  He started at 76 on Friday.  Last 4 levels with about 10 hours played using Carbonite (and elite flying mount...that's important.)  Gear suck?  Yep, but that's what instances are for and now I'm ready to do what I enjoy with my guildmates (if a feral druid is needed.)

[Selby]

He started at 76 on Friday.  Last 4 levels with about 10 hours played using Carbonite (and elite flying mount...that's important.)  Gear suck?  Yep, but that's what instances are for and now I'm ready to do what I enjoy with my guildmates (if a feral druid is needed.)

Which makes me laugh, as my guildmates give me crap about making 80 in Grizzly Hills with quest greens from around 74-75 range.  Done it several times so far and they say "your gear sucks!" to which I reply "instance time!"

[Merusk]

It's probably not too difficult to hide with the sea of monster flesh orbs that populate the online 'RP' servers.

This is one of the reasons why tabletop RP is infinitely better than MMO 'RP'.  Imagine some clown trying to pull off something like that when they'd have to look everyone else in the eye.

You DO get it in tabletop RP, however you have a Gm to smack them down and say "No, that's not happening" or "ok, roll for it assmunch."    The worst sin of online RP-types is their need to dictate to other people how they react and what their character's reactions should be.  In a tabletop you can face-to-face or demand something in the rules, but since online is all emote-based it turns into a big game of 5 year olds playing cops and robbers.  

You remember that, right?
"pew pew, got you!"
"No you didn't!"
"Yah huh"
"I had a force field!"

[Hindenburg]

All it takes is someone who can stay in character and understands they're an average Jane

Might as well ask for a few leprechauns.

RP+MMO=Cybering.

[Lum]

RP+MMO=Cybering.

Uh, no. (Hint: stay far, far away from Goldshire/Silvermoon)

[Hindenburg]

RP+MMO=Cybering.

Uh, no. (Hint: stay far, far away from Goldshire/Silvermoon)

Uh, yes. You run ImmersionRP. You know that the vast majority has descriptions that say that their characters are avatars of Aphrodite.

Also, Stormwind, Dalaran sewers, Undercity Sewers, Darnassus, Deeprun Tram, Uther's Tomb.

[schild]

good RP

Ha! Good one.

No, really.  All it takes is someone who can stay in character and understands they're an average Jane in whatever fantastic world they're playing in.  Unfortunately, the five of us are spread out amongst games and servers, and tend to go into hiding around people who claim to be RPers.

Disagreeing itt. There's no such thing as good RP.

[WindupAtheist]

In a tabletop you can face-to-face or demand something in the rules, but since online is all emote-based it turns into a big game of 5 year olds playing cops and robbers.

This is why more games need the ability for guilds to selectively enable PVP with one another. All the RP guilds can enable PVP amongst themselves, allowing the potential for spontaneous combat to keep people in check. (Oh, you're supposed to be a ten foot tall demon lord? I guess that guild of "town guards" should probably attack you when you come walking into the tavern then, yeah?) Meanwhile that guild that just wants to "roleplay" a pack of mute serial killers can be excluded.

[Dren]

In a tabletop you can face-to-face or demand something in the rules, but since online is all emote-based it turns into a big game of 5 year olds playing cops and robbers.

This is why more games need the ability for guilds to selectively enable PVP with one another. All the RP guilds can enable PVP amongst themselves, allowing the potential for spontaneous combat to keep people in check. (Oh, you're supposed to be a ten foot tall demon lord? I guess that guild of "town guards" should probably attack you when you come walking into the tavern then, yeah?) Meanwhile that guild that just wants to "roleplay" a pack of mute serial killers can be excluded.

I really thought the guild warfare portion of UO had this right.  We certainly had a lot of fun with this "back in the day."  Rival or even friendly guilds would declare war on each other and be able to gank each other with no penalties.  Everyone else couldn't play in their reindeer games.  It was, dare I say it, FUN!

[Mattemeo]

That guy could have saved himself some typing by just writing in: Hi, I'm really a dude and I'm playing with one hand.

While I think you're 99.99% right on this one, there's that seriously minority .01% chance that's the bio of a sub in a D/s relationship who game together.
I've met at least 2 D/s playing couples in City of Heroes (where admittedly playing a character running around practically naked is A: not entirely out of place in the world of superheroes and B: gear being a foreign concept in that game, not dangerous to your health) and while the bio is definitely 'O GAWD' territory it's possible it's a humiliation thing to have that for all and sundry to see.

But in all likelihood it's Randy McHormonalteen, age 15, with deluded aspirations of majoring in Romantic Fiction and 'doing it with a lady'.

[Azazel]

Which is high irony, since this is one of the things QH does that I really, really like.  Adding insult to injury by getting the QH guy to quit then nicking his shit.
 

They've been doing that for years.

From what I've read, I don't think they really give two fucks either way about the QH guy. It's more the Carbonite guys.

[Trebes]

You have more Addons for WoW than I have PC games on this boss-ass computer.

You know, if you want the game to play itself, you can just download ProgressQuest.

Guy in my guild had I believe 200 addons. He described patch day as "a personal holocaust".


But yes, a threatmeter is pretty much essential. I think my guildies use either Omen or Diamond. Shamans (all two of them) had a totem manager as well.

[Shrike]

I have yet to see a totem manager that's worth two hoots in hell. Some are conveniant enough (most aren't), but lack flexibility. Needless to say, I don't use one.

Instead, I have a truly mind-numbing array of hotkeys and conditional macros to control about every totem a shaman can have. It works and works well, but I've played my shaman for well over two years now. I'm not sure I'd recomend it to a new shaman, however.

[Lum]

Just to update:

Carbonite has gone freeware. You can now download the full version for free, supposedly the obfuscated code will be removed next version.

Interestingly, one of the developers posted on their website that Blizzard were the ones who initially suggested going ad-ware.

Blizzard told us in December we could make money from ads like they allow wow websites to do and they "suggested" we release a full version for free, but we could put ads in it. We followed that course and they did what they did. We never would have released an ads version if they didn't suggest it. It was a pain in the butt for us to add and a waste of time.

[Numtini]

I can't remember which totem add on I used, but as a healer, I really needed something that showed the status of earth shield and the totem thingie did.

On the entire adware thing, that is totally screwed up. I can only guess the devs thought it was a good idea, but their legal dept or something didn't.