Estiah

[EWSpider]

Oh.

I just wasted almost a whole day's worth of APs trying to defeat a level 14 dungeon.  Kept fucking dieing no matter which deck I try.  My charms suck.

Which fight?  The first one is definitely a pain in the ass if you try to beat her straight up at an even level.  If you just turtle her though it's a breeze.

Have you done any PvP yet?  Some nice charms at the Fragment Trader:
http://estiah.aswt.net/index.php?title=Fragment_Trader

If your just plain annoyed and want to continue on level to 15 and hit up the regular stores in each city for some nice charms.

[Draegan]

I have only a few fragments right now.

I need to work today so I get one more point of dex to use wildor's dagger.

My stats may be uneven:
Int: 75
Con: 63
Dex: 30
Pow: 14

I have gotten stuck on the earth elemental in another city and the Rooftop Rush, 3rd fight or so with the viper that keeps spitting out poison and the other guy with a name that I can't remember.

My charms are starting to lack though.  I don't have many greens/blues for my level anymore.  I have just a ton of market bought ones.

[EWSpider]

I think I would defintely level to 15 and try to get my Dex up to 42-46.  Then you can upgrade to the level 15 store bought charms and you should have a much easier time doing the dungeons.  With the higher Dex you'll be able to use Shadow/Lightning charms along with Mace/Holy.  The level 15 Holy charms have 50% penetration and would be a huge help with killing the elemental.  The extra damage from the upgraded charms and the level 15 Ward charm will help with the viper.

[Draegan]

I'm going to hit level 15 as soon as my work resets.  I'll give it all a shot.

[LK]

Question: if I have 5 of a reward card from a dungeon, am I screwed if that's what I get as random loot for beating the dungeon?

[Draegan]

Once I hit 31 Dex and level 15 I was able to get a bunch of items to add to my deck like lightning reflexes and wildor's dagger.  Nice.

[Lantyssa]

Question: if I have 5 of a reward card from a dungeon, am I screwed if that's what I get as random loot for beating the dungeon?

Screwed as in you just don't get anything, yes.

[Draegan]

Man my deck is finally starting to look good again.  With the addition of dex and some lightning abilities I'm getting some good returns.  Also farmed a bunch of soul frags so when I move tomorrow I can craft some stuff.

I was concentrating on two stats to much.  Doesn't hurt that I have mentoring at level 5 or so right now.

[LK]

Yow. I could use me some mentoring. >_<

I'm proceeding verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slowly. Got a good Spirit Deck and am ready to start farming up cash for the eventual Lv. 20 money sink.

[Delmania]

By design, it takes time to advance within the game.  So, don't be in a rush to level, as there's always plenty to do. 

On that note, how many people in the F13 guild are still active?

[stu]

I've been playing this lately and am up to level 11. At first I thought it was just arenas and dungeons, but wow, there's a lot to do. Lately I've just been gathering in order to increase my health level.

If any active officers can send me an invite, my character is named Steranko.

[LK]

Coliseum fights can get pretty god damn nasty. I'm watching opponents with 100 more HP than I have and doing massive amounts of damage from collected charms. I don't know if I'll be able to catch up until Lv. 50.

[Delmania]

Level all the skills that do hp, and collect the charms.  If you want to stay in your bracket, just don't work.

[Paelos]

I'm trying this out, and it seems like a good 20m time waster once a day. Good call.

[Kageru]

It's a good game. Probably the best of them because the gameplay widens over time and you can always adjust your tactics, plus it even manages to have a sense of place for some of the dungeons.

[LK]

I wish I could but mentoring is one of those skills that I can't level. By the time I got all the HP ones my ancillary skill gain would push me to five or six more levels. Just gonna enjoy the game, try my best, and worry about competiveness at cap. BTW, for anyone going for the PvP kill streak, it stops at 60. Finally got it and can now challenge myself against opponents with high ratings.

[Draegan]

I just did the misty, ghost manor place today.  Finally figured out how to kill those damn vampire bats.

Leveling up a lot of my skills that were lagging.  Leveling up fire with crappy heat wands is fun.  I love that blue basilisk.  He doesn't have enough charms to kill me, nor I him but I out last him and I use a lot of charms.  Greeeeat for leveling.  And I get ticks for survivor too.

[EWSpider]

I wish I could but mentoring is one of those skills that I can't level. By the time I got all the HP ones my ancillary skill gain would push me to five or six more levels. Just gonna enjoy the game, try my best, and worry about competiveness at cap. BTW, for anyone going for the PvP kill streak, it stops at 60. Finally got it and can now challenge myself against opponents with high ratings.

Find someone to make an alt with and mentor them to each other's mains.  Perhaps you and Draegan can team up.  If you're really not interested in actively playing an alt just log it on and Work every day and it'll slowly level up that way.

[Delmania]

It looks like our guild rating is low enough to move us off the radar.  Commence building!

[LK]

Well Akecheta doesn't seem to be playing so I can mentor on someone else if someone who is low level needs a mentor in kind.

[Draegan]

I need more willpower gear.  Only have 4x 2 willpower charms.

Edit:
Crafted some.  Thank god this town has the mats to sell.

Beat the Ghost Mine today after a few wasted attempts.  Now I know all about willpower and spirit.

[WayAbvPar]

I can't believe I didn't read this post until recently. I am furious- this game is fun as hell! I apprenticed my first character to Lantyssa, and have two others apprenticed to trotski (mostly a lurker here, but a RL buddy).

Antolin- L7- aiming for Assassin
Liryk- L5- aiming for Pyromaniac (I think- may reconsider)
Anyaala- L2- thinking Inquisitor

Feel free to farm me for Cruelty points. Shoot me an invite to the guild if/when I am high enough level to be useful and there is room.

[LK]

Lantyssa is your Mentoring maxed? I am actually trying to raise HP skills and Mentoring is a huge one. >_>

[WayAbvPar]

Can you transfer apprentices? That would be cool.

[EWSpider]

Can you transfer apprentices? That would be cool.

No, one of the few beefs I have with the game.

[Delmania]

I thought this would be a good time to mention something, and that is a little tip for leveling.  If you look at the bottom right of your experience bar, you will see a Character Growth count (mine's at 742/900).  Once that value reaches 900, jobs will no longer give stat gains, but they will grant skill increases.  The thing is, the way you level in Estiah is increasing your stats, and once you reach 900 points, the only way to do that is ranking skills, or using items like food and potions.  Leveling via jobs will get you to tier 3, so if you want to reach your final class quickly*, then level via jobs.  If you want to take your time exploring and ranking skills to increase the charms you can use, go for it.

[Kageru]

I only use jobs when I've finished with a dungeon and need a level for the next one. Though at low levels just the gain from skills was enough to do it.

[LK]

I'm more worried about using job growth in the wrong fashion. Maximum potential from skills is something I want to maximize before doing Jobs since I don't know how much Int I need, how much Pow I need, etc. Unless you can eventually get all charms and max all skills if you eat food?

[Delmania]

I'm more worried about using job growth in the wrong fashion. Maximum potential from skills is something I want to maximize before doing Jobs since I don't know how much Int I need, how much Pow I need, etc. Unless you can eventually get all charms and max all skills if you eat food?

Until you reach tier 3, your stats and skills growth should focus first on the requirements for your tier 3 job, then on hp and spirit, and then on whatever is your tertiary stat.  In terms of potential growth, it's more than possible to get your stats and skills to the point where you can use all the charms in the game, with the exception, of course, of the class charms.  However, unless you don't mind leveling very slowly, I'd recommend saving that for when you reach tier 3.

[LK]

Don't mind leveling slowy. ^^ Trying to get the most out of each level.

[Cadaverine]

Quick question:  Am I potentially screwing myself down the line by increasing skills I don't intend to use so I can get the stat bonuses?  I.E.  I don't typically use twin blades, so if I throw together a bunch of twinblade charms, and spend a day in the arena increasing the skill.  Will bad things happen to me?

Also, is it possible to have more than one pet at some point?

[Kageru]

Stat's gained from mastering skills don't count towards your "growth" limit. That's just from working jobs (and eating food) so training up your skills is almost always a good thing, though it might mean you are not as focused. Someone careful to only train two stats might have slightly better charms at the same level. It all balances out pretty quickly though.

You certainly can have multiple pets.

[Delmania]

Quick question:  Am I potentially screwing myself down the line by increasing skills I don't intend to use so I can get the stat bonuses?  I.E.  I don't typically use twin blades, so if I throw together a bunch of twinblade charms, and spend a day in the arena increasing the skill.  Will bad things happen to me?

Not at all, I'd actually recommend this.   However, the caveat, as pointed out by Kaeguru is to make sure your primary 2 stats (the ones needed for your tier 3 job) are high enough to use the better charms for your level,

[Draegan]

I havn't gotten pets yet.  I did just hit level 19 though. 

[Severian]

You can have one pet at time, unless you donate for an extra slot. You can replace your one pet with another, sacrificing any built-up stats and runes. You can buy low level pets in some shops, and get some from some dungeons.

You can do things with pets more frequently than twice every 24 hours, and they don't require action points, so if you feel like fiddling around in Estiah more often you can fiddle with pets. I wasn't succesful with mine in fighting until I traded in my newbie pet for something I earned from a higher level dungeon (L.26 & L.28), not that I'd tried much before, just racing. It came with a decent number of apparently good runes and I filled them out to 20 before I started fighting regularly. I was able to use fighting as a money-earner for a while when I was short of cash, but I didn't try to take it to the big leagues.  Racing is apparently pretty random except for the booster.