Wolverine

[Azazel]

The theory is that his "healing factor" makes him age more slowly, among other things, so he's much older than he appears.

That's what I thought. That's just sad though.

It also appears that in the film he's no longer Canadian? Seems to be storming Omaha Beach dressed in US kit..

Fuck, they may as well make him a Highlander. 700 years old. Fought int he crusades. I guess that might fuck slightly with him being an Americanadian, and decrease his massmarket idiot appeal, so they won't go there. 

[UnSub]

Kevin Smith previously dropped out of doing the "Green Hornet" movie because he couldn't be bothered doing action films. So a "Green Arrow" film appears unlikely.

As for Wolverine's history: there's probably evidence of him being Abraham Lincoln, King George IV and Aristotle at various points in his life. He's magic that way.

[NowhereMan]

I'm pretty sure he served in WWII in the comics (also that he fought alongside Cap), frankly they tended to play fairly loose with his historic Canadian citizenship. There was the period when he had that big connection with Japan as well (Obviously having been a ninja or something). It became one of the more tired parts of his character (mysterious past=Anything goes!) prior to him being a guest or character in almost every Marvel comic in more recent times.

I hope this manages to be a decent action flick without too much ridiculous Wolverine stuff. I also hope they never make a Deapool film. It wouldn't work, Hollywood would probably make it a generic action film with a vaguely angsty Wade being forced to kill people in order to save the world. I'd basically imagine Spiderman 3 with guns and a few innocents killed (oh and a redepmtion ending!)

[Evil Elvis]

I'd basically imagine Spiderman 3 with guns and a few innocents killed (oh and a redepmtion ending!)

Deadpool doing a disco lounge act?  Hrmm...

[Morat20]

I'm pretty sure he served in WWII in the comics (also that he fought alongside Cap), frankly they tended to play fairly loose with his historic Canadian citizenship. There was the period when he had that big connection with Japan as well (Obviously having been a ninja or something). It became one of the more tired parts of his character (mysterious past=Anything goes!) prior to him being a guest or character in almost every Marvel comic in more recent times.

I hope this manages to be a decent action flick without too much ridiculous Wolverine stuff. I also hope they never make a Deapool film. It wouldn't work, Hollywood would probably make it a generic action film with a vaguely angsty Wade being forced to kill people in order to save the world. I'd basically imagine Spiderman 3 with guns and a few innocents killed (oh and a redepmtion ending!)

Couldn't they just get Ryan Reynolds, say "Be that dude from Blade Three, only less sane" and go from there?

Does it really need a plot? It's deadpool. He could stream of conciousnesss it while killing people. Works for me.

[NowhereMan]

I'm not saying it couldn't be done (though I don't think any of the 4th wall stuff Deadpool can do so well would work) but I just expect movie execs to decide that it's an action film and needs seriousness and probably some sort of love interest. He's basically a psychopath and I can't see them wanting him as a big film's lead character so it would either wind up with angsty 'pool or low budget and shitty.

[Broughden]

I'm pretty sure he served in WWII in the comics (also that he fought alongside Cap), frankly they tended to play fairly loose with his historic Canadian citizenship. There was the period when he had that big connection with Japan as well (Obviously having been a ninja or something). It became one of the more tired parts of his character (mysterious past=Anything goes!) prior to him being a guest or character in almost every Marvel comic in more recent times.

I hope this manages to be a decent action flick without too much ridiculous Wolverine stuff. I also hope they never make a Deapool film. It wouldn't work, Hollywood would probably make it a generic action film with a vaguely angsty Wade being forced to kill people in order to save the world. I'd basically imagine Spiderman 3 with guns and a few innocents killed (oh and a redepmtion ending!)

I HATED that "ooohh Logan is a samurai/ninja/bushido warrior" bullshit. It was during that period in the early 90's where every nerd in America was buying cheap reproduction samurai swords and ninja stars from the knife shop in the local mall.  Fucking STUPID.

[ahoythematey]

I'm pretty sure that was more a symptom of the times than the Wolverine character.  At the very least, I know TMNT had more to do with that than a comic book character.

[stray]

I stopped reading comics then. Don't remember Samurai stuff. The last things I was reading were like the graphic novel "Meltdown". Where Wolverine stopped wearing the suit and started morphing into a Biker. Which is cool with me.

[Evildrider]

Lawl.  Someone released a workprint of Wolverine and it's all over the torrents.  From what I've read its pretty basic, not all the fx and stuff, and is missing like 20 minutes of new material.

[Khaldun]

On Wolverine-the-character, the people who think comics themselves have gotten so hopelessly mired in continuity porn should stop by a comics shop and pick up the free "Wolverine Saga" that Marvel has released to try and hype the character.

It is possibly the most convoluted, incomprehensible characterization gibberish I have ever read. The worst possible 11-year old's scrawl about their own totally! awesome! superhero! that they have written a backstory for would look mature, interesting and streamlined compared to the accumulated backstory for Wolverine. The current state of things in the comic is that he participated in most key events in the 20th Century, including fighting in World War II; has been manipulated since he was a teenager by an immortal wolfman; has had his memory erased multiple times; has had relationships with most of Marvel Comics' female characters at some point in the past; has had several children that he's forgotten about, one of whom is now pretending to be Wolverine; has been a ninja AND a pirate. It just goes on and on: the most baroque rococo fanwank stuff you can imagine, it's in there.

And it looks like the film is taking its cue from this mountain of storytelling crud. Get ready for badness.

[Ironwood]

It was totally cool when he wore that eyepatch.

It was the best disguise ever.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Why would wolverine need an eyepatch?

[LK]

Why would wolverine need an eyepatch?

I'm guessing Escape from New York came out or something at the time.

[UnSub]

NERDRAGE! DEADPOOL NERDRAGE!

[Ironwood]

Why would wolverine need an eyepatch?

Reading not your strongpoint ?   

Seriously, at the time he was faking his death, so he put on an eyepatch.

I'm not kidding.  It was that fucking lame.  He still had the claws and the fucking stupid 'standout in any crowd' hair, but he had a patch.  Totally undercover.

[Nevermore]

has been a ninja AND a pirate.

So he's the most powerful being in the universe?

[Sky]

It was totally cool when he wore that eyepatch.

It was the best disguise ever.

Have you ever seen the skit on SNL where the Rock plays Clark Kent? It's a pretty good rip on how stupid superman's 'disguise' was, with everyone at the daily planet goofing on him.

[Bunk]

Why would wolverine need an eyepatch?

Reading not your strongpoint ?   

Seriously, at the time he was faking his death, so he put on an eyepatch.

I'm not kidding.  It was that fucking lame.  He still had the claws and the fucking stupid 'standout in any crowd' hair, but he had a patch.  Totally undercover.

Didn't he go by the totaly awesome name "Patch" at the same time?

[Lakov_Sanite]

Why would wolverine need an eyepatch?

Reading not your strongpoint ?   

Seriously, at the time he was faking his death, so he put on an eyepatch.

I'm not kidding.  It was that fucking lame.  He still had the claws and the fucking stupid 'standout in any crowd' hair, but he had a patch.  Totally undercover.

Should have greend it. Green'd? Greened? Green'ed? just said wolverine was a dumb fucking comic.

[HaemishM]

Everytime I see that footage of Deadpool, I keep thinking "Isn't that Omega Red?"

[gryeyes]

Omega red is a giant beast of a man. This movie is on the same level of spiderman 3 and X3. If you have no knowledge of attachment to the comic maybe you could enjoy it.

[Velorath]

What problems Spider-man 3 and X3 had didn't have anything to do with whether or not one was familiar with the source material.  Also I've always thought the first two X-men movies had a lot of the same issues as X3.  All three of them have some pretty cool scenes strung together by a mediocre plot and bad pacing.  People were able to look past it in the first two movies since it was the comic book movie series that had a ton of super-powered characters on screen rather than just one hero and one villain.  X3 couldn't escape the bad hype it got for being rushed out despite the change in directors.  At the end of the day I don't think it was noticeably worse than the previous movies.

[gryeyes]

What problems Spider-man 3 and X3 had didn't have anything to do with whether or not one was familiar with the source material. 

No the problems where much more fundamental than being accurate to the source material. I can watch X1-2 and Spiderman1-2. The third of both series is an extreme decline in quality. Clusterfucks of movies for so many reasons im not really going to get into it. Wolverine Origins if one has no concept or expectations to the content could be enjoyable. If you are even vaguely aware of the comics its neigh unwatchable.

[Velorath]

I disagree.  X-Men 1's screenplay was put together by a first-time screenwriter who Singer literally hired to answer the phones initially and it shows.  Mystique was pretty much the only good villain in the movie, and Magneto's plan is dull and nonsensical.  X2 has the two best scenes in the series with the Nightcrawler scene and the attack on the school, but by the time it gets to the second half of the movie it's already used up all its best material.  You can turn the movie off after the scene with Pyro attacking the police.

[gryeyes]

I can understand your opinion just personally i will watch either of the first X movies. But wont even attempt to watch the third. Thats not me trying to imply either movies are great and without flaw. But X3 and Spiderman3 are completely ridiculous. There is a qualitative difference between them.

[Velorath]

By the by, I'd encourage anyone interested in hearing David Hayter talk a bit about how he got the job doing X-Men to check out the Creative Screenwriting podcast on iTunes (in particular the Watchmen Q&A episode).  In fact if you find the writing side of making movies interesting at all, I'd suggest checking all their podcasts out.

[Ironwood]

Oh come off it Vel.  X-3 was technically far, far worse a movie.

Even if you ignore the laughable 'plot', the actual technical shit wrong with the movie was legion.  The one that sticks out in my mind is sunset over ripped bridge.

Similarly, Spiderman 3 was dire dire dire for much the same reasons.  So many scenes in that could have worked but just didn't.  Especially Parker turning 'Bad'.

[kaid]

Oh god do not remind me of the stupid bridge sunset shot followed immediately by a midnight attack. Um damn magneto is either really slow or they were having a lil dinner and a movie before deciding to actually attack.

Oh come off it Vel.  X-3 was technically far, far worse a movie.

Even if you ignore the laughable 'plot', the actual technical shit wrong with the movie was legion.  The one that sticks out in my mind is sunset over ripped bridge.

Similarly, Spiderman 3 was dire dire dire for much the same reasons.  So many scenes in that could have worked but just didn't.  Especially Parker turning 'Bad'.

[UnSub]

What problems Spider-man 3 and X3 had didn't have anything to do with whether or not one was familiar with the source material. 

No the problems where much more fundamental than being accurate to the source material. I can watch X1-2 and Spiderman1-2. The third of both series is an extreme decline in quality. Clusterfucks of movies for so many reasons im not really going to get into it. Wolverine Origins if one has no concept or expectations to the content could be enjoyable. If you are even vaguely aware of the comics its neigh unwatchable.

I have to agree with Velorath here. X3 had a few more clunker scenes than X1, but not by much. Also, it showed a lot more thought into the movie version of the X-Men world than the previous films, which were just supermodels vs. super-uglies with vague homosexual rights overtones. X2 was probably the highlight of the series.

"Spider-Man 3" was definitely over-burdened with villains and much weaker characterisation than the previous Spider-Man films, but every "Spider-Man" film had its stupid moments. Spidey 1 had "We're Noo Yawkers who stand up for our own, so let's throw trash at the superpowered psychopath" and Spidey 2 had Doctor Octopus throwing a car through the window at who he thought was a normal person. Among others. But then I never got into the new "Spider-Man" films as some people did. To me the only thing they got really right was Spider-Man swinging through the city.

[Velorath]

Oh come off it Vel.  X-3 was technically far, far worse a movie.

Even if you ignore the laughable 'plot', the actual technical shit wrong with the movie was legion.  The one that sticks out in my mind is sunset over ripped bridge.

Yeah, thank god no other movie ever makes stupid mistakes like that.

[Ironwood]

 

Awesome.  A list of errors and problems with the film that I DIDN'T FUCKING NOTICE AT THE TIME.

What's your point ??


"Continuity: Character Henry Peter Gyrich's last name is incorrectly spelled Guyrich in the end credits."

Really ?

That's all you got ?

Not that I really know why I'm arguing here.  Dark Knight shit on every other comic book movie out there and this Wolverine is going to be Venom type fanwank of the highest order, so I guess I'm done. 

Hmmm.

[Velorath]

Awesome.  A list of errors and problems with the film that I DIDN'T FUCKING NOTICE AT THE TIME.

What's your point ??

That stupid gaffes happen in every movie and the one you mentioned for X3 wasn't really any worse than those listed for X1.  Certainly it didn't have any effect on anything happening in the movie.  It's just the kind of thing you'd see mentioned in the talkbacks on Ain't it Cool from people who were expecting to hate the movie long before ever seeing it (and who probably wouldn't have even noticed it if other people hadn't pointed it out first).

"OMG IT TURNED NIGHT TOO QUICKLY" isn't a reason to think a movie is shit.  Look at some of your favorite movies and I'm sure you can find a list of fuck-ups that somebody probably should have noticed when making the movie, and if that's the best you can do to explain why 3 was worse than 1, than I'm not really seeing your point.  As I've said, I'm no big fan of either one.  I've never had any desire to watch either movie more than the one time I saw each of them in the theater, and I can only sit through the first half of X2.  I imagine Wolverine will be the same.  There will be a handful of scenes that I'll find cool to see in live action on the big screen, and then I'll never need to see it again.

The "X3 sucked" crowd though seems to be comparing the movie to some brilliant director's cuts of the first two movies that I must not have seen.  They were all completely fucking average with a few highlights.


Edit:  If I had to choose between buying all three movies on DVD, or just one DVD with just the best scenes from each movie on it, I'd choose the latter.  I'd be hard pressed to come up with any scenes from the first movie to include though beyond the "you're a dick" line.

[Mattemeo]

Even if you ignore the laughable 'plot', the actual technical shit wrong with the movie was legion.  The one that sticks out in my mind is sunset over ripped bridge.

Trouble here is, even though I agree with your point that the fact it managed to turn from sunset to midnight in the space of a frame edit was shocking film-making, this wasn't the real problem with the scene.

The real problem can be accurately summarised by saying "What, was it too hard to find a fucking ferry, Magneto?".

Pointless spectacle is pointless spectacle.

[UnSub]

A vulgar display of power is a vulgar display of power. Magneto could have had all the Evil Mutants arrive by Greyhound bus if he was looking for efficiency.

Not to speak for every nerd who had issue with "X-Men 3" (and yes, it had some awful scenes - emo Cyclops, the "we're going to close the school, everyone look sad, oh wait Angel wants to join so let's leave it open" bit, that it was suffering from franchise character bloat) but I think a lot of internet rage was built up before the film even came out when Singer departed and Ratner came on board. When it wasn't pure gold, it was easy to stick the knives in. I put X-3 at about the same rating as X-1 - 3 stars, not great, not awful, sometimes unintentionally hilarious.