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Reply #70 on: June 09, 2009, 10:30:45 AM

Not only was she the ugly one, she was the most annoying one on top of that. I mean come on!

You cannot blame that on the actress, though. The writers made her the "mom" of the three sisters.

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Reply #71 on: June 09, 2009, 12:53:00 PM

I completely blame her for being ugly.
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Reply #72 on: June 09, 2009, 01:35:11 PM

I blame both her and the writers for her work on that show. She was the oldest one so she had to be the "leader" but she didn't have to sound annoying and condescending with every line she uttered. Never once did I find the character sympathic, likable, or remotely agreeable, and that falls entirely on the actress consdering she's one of the heroines.

And yeah, she's not great to look at either. There are a thousand other ways to go with actresses that can actually act, would look like the actual character, and weren't already type-cast due to 8 seasons on the same TV show. It won't be Holly Combs playing Catelyn Stark. It will be Piper running around the world of Westeros, pissing me off.

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Reply #73 on: June 09, 2009, 01:56:46 PM

If it makes you feel better you can always look forward to the part where they kill her.

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Reply #74 on: June 09, 2009, 02:20:24 PM

And yeah, she's not great to look at either. There are a thousand other ways to go with actresses that can actually act, would look like the actual character, and weren't already type-cast due to 8 seasons on the same TV show. It won't be Holly Combs playing Catelyn Stark. It will be Piper running around the world of Westeros, pissing me off.


Personally, Catelyn tended to piss me off, so maybe she's perfect for the role.  To be fair though, she's no Cersei.  God I wish she'd die already. 
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Reply #75 on: June 09, 2009, 02:23:49 PM

The don't off Catelyn until the third book. I don't think they'll make it that far with the show, personally.

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Reply #76 on: June 09, 2009, 02:40:55 PM

And then they didn't actually off her.

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Reply #77 on: June 09, 2009, 02:49:11 PM

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Reply #79 on: June 09, 2009, 03:17:21 PM

To be fair though, she's no Cersei.  God I wish she'd die already. 

I hope that George has a violent and humiliating end in line for that bitch.
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Reply #80 on: June 09, 2009, 07:40:24 PM

After what he's done to every good character I like, if he doesn't end up having every bastard character come to some horrible degrading end, I will track him down and light him on fire.

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Reply #81 on: June 09, 2009, 09:27:21 PM

I'm sure your grandchildren will be able to report to you if that happens when they come to the nursing home in their atomic hoverbikes.  

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Reply #82 on: June 09, 2009, 11:49:54 PM

Cersei has to get captured at some point, and then knowing Martin he'll flip the tables on us to make her slightly sympathetic before he crushes her skull. He's a bitch like that.

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Reply #83 on: June 09, 2009, 11:55:21 PM

Wasn't her fate already told at least vaguely in prophecy? My memory might be a bit hazy but i think she is currently captured? But there is no redeeming that bitch, i cant recall disliking a fictional character more.
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Reply #84 on: June 10, 2009, 12:02:03 AM

Wasn't her fate already told at least vaguely in prophecy? My memory might be a bit hazy but i think she is currently captured? But there is no redeeming that bitch, i cant recall disliking a fictional character more.

I'd like to think so too, but very few of his characters are black and white. At least on the main sense. She's currently captured by the High Septon, whom she gave control in an ironic twist. Will it go that easy? I have absolutely no confidence in that. At this point she's drunk and in trouble though.

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Reply #85 on: June 10, 2009, 11:30:43 AM

To be fair though, she's no Cersei.  God I wish she'd die already. 

I hope that George has a violent and humiliating end in line for that bitch.

Agreed. She needs to be gangbanged by a pack of baboons and then hung from a ship's mast until crows pick out her eyes.

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Reply #86 on: June 10, 2009, 10:10:52 PM

People found the Catelyn character anything but annoying? Wha?

She didn't have to sound annoying and condescending with every line she uttered. Never once did I find the character sympathic, likable, or remotely agreeable.

You have just described Catelyn for me. Looks like prefect casting to my mind.

Incidentally, looks like GRRM has let lose the game rights to ASoIaF. Anyone willing to make bets about which would be worse out of the TV show or the game(s)?
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Reply #87 on: June 10, 2009, 11:23:02 PM

People found the Catelyn character anything but annoying? Wha?

She didn't have to sound annoying and condescending with every line she uttered. Never once did I find the character sympathic, likable, or remotely agreeable.

You have just described Catelyn for me. Looks like prefect casting to my mind.

Incidentally, looks like GRRM has let lose the game rights to ASoIaF. Anyone willing to make bets about which would be worse out of the TV show or the game(s)?

This is all very true.  I've been rereading the series due to the show/new book coming out. Catelyn's character is completely unlikeable throughout.  Granted, she's had a nightmarish time, but even from the start she was impetuous, gullible, self-centered, and a melancholy buzzkill.  Every time her name pops up at the start of the chapter I have to groan.   Even the worst of the POVs are miles more entertaining than listening to her whine or blunder through another situation.

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Reply #88 on: June 11, 2009, 02:07:20 AM

She never jumped out at me as a hateful character. She's complex like everyone else. The history of her wedding to Eddard should give you enough to identify with her issues. And the bastards, and the other shit.
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Reply #89 on: June 11, 2009, 02:28:57 AM

I too despised Catelyn more than anyone else in the series. I cheered so much when she died, then sighed and cursed GRRM when he rezzed her.

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Reply #90 on: June 11, 2009, 02:59:23 AM

I don't hate Catelyn either. I don't think I really like her as a person but I think she may be the most realistic, complex character in the entire series. So while I may not like the choices she makes, I stlil enjoy her chapters because they make you really appreciate what a cut above most other fantasy writers GRRM is.

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Reply #91 on: June 11, 2009, 03:01:48 AM

After she forces Jon to be sent to the wall (Ned letting that go down never really made sense to me) i hated her. But Catelyn unlike Cersei at least has some depth. Cersei is like a caricature of a person, no depth just a bitch in all aspects in EVERY interaction.
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Reply #92 on: June 11, 2009, 03:04:11 AM

I too despised Catelyn more than anyone else in the series. I cheered so much when she died, then sighed and cursed GRRM when he rezzed her.

Oh man, me too. It was like the one person he killed I didn't mind him killing too much and then OH JESUS WHAT


EDIT: Amusingly, I don't totally hate Cersei like I loathe Catelyn. There's been a couple of moments where he hints at why she's such a raging bitch of a woman that makes me at least understand ... er ... why she's such a raging bitch of a woman. I didn't really start to dislike her as a character (disliking her as a person is pretty easy) until she went all crazy Lady Macbeth and lost even the tiniest hints of personality she had previously in Feast for Crows.

Catelyn though. Fuck. I hate her chapters, I hate HER, and I hate that she's not fucking dead. I don't really see all the depth people are talking about, but I haven't read the books in a long damn time, so I could be that any depth I saw faded while the fact I fucking hate her remained.
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Reply #93 on: June 11, 2009, 02:27:02 PM

Wow, I've never heard anyone say they didn't totally hate Cersei.

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Reply #94 on: June 11, 2009, 03:40:40 PM

Well, like I said, she's obviously a horrible person, but I don't hate her like I hates Catelyn, and the teeny tiny glimpses into why she's such a horrible person make her very slightly understandable to me. I don't think Cersei is even the most horrible person in the series, though. That would be Littlefinger.

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Reply #95 on: June 11, 2009, 04:13:39 PM

And Cersei gets to be in some hawt secks scenes. Catelyn not so much.

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Reply #96 on: June 11, 2009, 04:17:47 PM

To be fair though, she's no Cersei.  God I wish she'd die already. 

I hope that George has a violent and humiliating end in line for that bitch.

Agreed. She needs to be gangbanged by a pack of baboons and then hung from a ship's mast until crows pick out her eyes.

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Reply #97 on: June 11, 2009, 04:24:27 PM

Its recapped a few pages up. Cersei is introduced and promptly gets caught fucking her brother, whom she goads into throwing a child from a window. She then orders a little girls wolf to be killed out of pure spite. Kills the king and Ned, this is just ONE book. Penis envy is not a "window" into why she does these things. Which is the only insight we are given into why she is so fucked up. Catelyn on the other hand is just an annoying nosy bitch, who basically fails at everything she attempts.
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Reply #98 on: June 11, 2009, 04:30:42 PM

I think the point is that I think most of us enjoy reading the Cersei chapters because she's such a omgwtf biatch. catlyn with her incessant moping about may be a 'better person', or whatever, but is just yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawnerrific.

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Reply #99 on: June 11, 2009, 06:15:46 PM

Is there really a single female character in the series that overall is not on some level pretty despicable?

I know everyone is going on about how they hate Catelyn or Cersei, but I can't think of a damn female character I really liked that much at all except maybe the youngest Stark girl. The rest all have personality flaws you could drive a bus through.

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Reply #100 on: June 11, 2009, 06:30:49 PM

Is there really a single female character in the series that overall is not on some level pretty despicable?

Arya.  But yeah, she's it.

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Reply #101 on: June 11, 2009, 06:37:06 PM

What about the Dragon Queen character?
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Reply #102 on: June 11, 2009, 06:43:19 PM

Arya,Daenrys,Wildling guiding the stark boys,Brienne,Jons chick....umm thats about it. Viking woman wasn't that bad.
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Reply #103 on: June 11, 2009, 06:50:00 PM

Daenerys is definitely despicable on at least 'some level'.

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Reply #104 on: June 11, 2009, 06:59:13 PM

Is there really a single female character in the series that overall is not on some level pretty despicable?

There's not really any major character that jumps out as the perfect example of shining good. Bran maybe. For now. Sam is pretty harmless. Brienne I suppose.

There are minor characters that we haven't seen so much who seem to be perfectly nice people, but the camera doesn't follow them, probably because they're not as interesting.

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