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Reply #35 on: April 24, 2009, 10:26:56 AM

He has released chapters from the book on a inconstant basis. Kinda hard to rewrite shit that you have already released. Personally i have stopped following the progress it brings Robert Jordon flashbacks. I will never do that again.
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Reply #36 on: April 24, 2009, 10:29:33 AM

I listened to an audio book of him reading many of his short stories and telling stories of his own life, both personal and professional. To be honest, considering he's pretty much sexually incontinent and a raging hippy, I'm amazed he managed to write the Game of Thrones novels thusfar, but I'm not surprised he's dragging his feet with the remainder. He's probably bored to death of the entire thing.

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Reply #37 on: April 24, 2009, 11:16:20 AM

He has released chapters from the book on a inconstant basis. Kinda hard to rewrite shit that you have already released.

The story went from "mostly written" to "50% written" to Martin is rewriting some more....  oh, and some character POVs are being cut to go into the book after Dance.

This is from Pat's Fantasy Hotlist, where the blogger interviewed an editor at Random House in July of 2007:  http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2007/07/nyc-recap-and-that-little-grrm-tidbit.html

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Many fans have been wondering why it should take this long for the author to write this new book, what with 50% of it having been completed already. Rumors have been circulating that GRRM did scrap some portions of what he had when they decided to publish AFfC in its current format. Well, unfortunately that's not hearsay. It appears that GRRM did cut some chunks out of the original manuscript and has been tinkering with a few things. Hence, he didn't truly have 50% of it done with and ready to go. Which explains the slower than expected progress for A Dance with Dragons.
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Reply #38 on: April 24, 2009, 11:31:03 AM

Which i don't really believe as a cause for the delay. I would attribute him writing the prequel novels and all the other bullshit as far more a factor in the 5 year delay (or however long it has been). No way all that side stuff is not directly extending the lag.
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Reply #39 on: April 24, 2009, 01:27:37 PM

I listened to an audio book of him reading many of his short stories and telling stories of his own life, both personal and professional. To be honest, considering he's pretty much sexually incontinent and a raging hippy, I'm amazed he managed to write the Game of Thrones novels thusfar, but I'm not surprised he's dragging his feet with the remainder. He's probably bored to death of the entire thing.

That seems to fit most with what I've read about him from the few trips to his blog.  One of the problems with setting out to write an epic series, I imagine. Everyone wants you to write only that series and finish it out long, long after you're bored of it.   Most fantasy novelists would be better served planning & writing 3-4 novels, then returning as the mood struck them instead of thinking "Ohh, I've got this EPIC idea for a 7 novel series!"

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Reply #40 on: April 24, 2009, 02:03:58 PM

I believe ASoIAF was supposed to only be 3 books originally but i could be mistaken.
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Reply #41 on: April 24, 2009, 02:15:04 PM

He has released chapters from the book on a inconstant basis. Kinda hard to rewrite shit that you have already released.
So he's somehow beholden to release the chapters in the book the same way he pre-released them? They'll come out in whatever form their in when he sends them to the publisher, who cares what the pre-release stuff is? It'll show up in some later novel as bonus content or something. Look at Elric, ffs.

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Reply #42 on: April 24, 2009, 02:21:15 PM

Beholden to do so? No, but it shows that a substantial amount of the work was fit to be shown to the public 3+ years ago. Not familiar with Elric. Elric the white wolf guy?
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Reply #43 on: April 24, 2009, 03:15:19 PM

Entire books rewritten after they'd been released.

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Reply #44 on: April 24, 2009, 04:29:24 PM

HBO doesn't really make a habit out of canceling.. They're not Fox or anything.

The troubling cancelation I'd be looking at here is Rome.  Rome cost a ton.  I imagine this show won't be cheap due to the set, costume, and staffing costs (lot of extras for battles).  They may end up just balking at the cost after a while. 

However, I imagine HBO is really looking for a flagship, standout show at the moment.  All they really have is Entourage, Big Love, and the new No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency.  Crap, polygamy and African girl power.  awesome, for real They have a worse line up than AMC.   

This all makes me want to re-read the books. I'll try to hold out until it's closer to the next book is released.

edit: Forgot True Blood.  Good show.
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Reply #45 on: April 24, 2009, 05:07:28 PM

Rome and Carnivale canceled for the same reasons. Insanely expensive to produce. True Blood is a good show. But good lord i tried to read the novels and they are especially bad.
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Reply #46 on: April 24, 2009, 06:15:09 PM

Unfortunately, Rome is also the closest comp for how the show will be directed, set, and wardrobed, since it's got the same epic royal melee with swords thing going on.

That means it'll be fantastic, expensive, and short.  And one of the main actors will get a role on Gray's Anatomy.

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Reply #47 on: April 25, 2009, 09:27:34 PM

And the other one will end up being the 5th actor to portray the Punisher?

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Reply #48 on: April 26, 2009, 12:33:04 AM

Rome was a joint BBC production, I think. Or something British. Not entirely up to HBO. Also, the source material didn't lend itself to much more than what they did... Unless you wanted to completely change the cast or something and fast forward almost 100 years. After Octavian got rid of Antony and sealed his position, there wasn't much drama in Roman history (boredom is a byproduct of "Pax Romana"), or even in Tiberius' reign until Caligula came along. So at least a Game of Thrones television series has a wealth of source material to play with.
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Reply #49 on: May 06, 2009, 07:58:45 AM

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Reply #50 on: May 06, 2009, 08:26:17 AM

Ooh, he's an angry elf.

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Reply #51 on: May 06, 2009, 12:10:16 PM

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Reply #52 on: May 06, 2009, 02:36:40 PM


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Reply #53 on: June 02, 2009, 07:56:21 AM

More casting.   Piper is Catelyn.     why so serious?

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Reply #54 on: June 02, 2009, 09:13:24 AM

Ugh, I hate everything she does. Nice casting assholes. You picked a brown-eyed brunette to play a blue-eyed redhead.

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Reply #55 on: June 02, 2009, 09:18:19 AM

More casting.   Piper is Catelyn.     why so serious?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001061/

My prediction that this series is going to be shit just became a bit more solid.

On a semi-related note... finish the next book, you procrastinating asshole.
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Reply #56 on: June 02, 2009, 09:28:46 AM

Ugh, I hate everything she does. Nice casting assholes. You picked a brown-eyed brunette to play a blue-eyed redhead blonde.

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Reply #57 on: June 02, 2009, 10:49:08 AM

Auburn hair is not blonde.

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Reply #58 on: June 02, 2009, 10:57:44 AM

Auburn hair is not blonde.

Sorry, I was thinking of Cersei, I forgot Catelyn was ever a major enough character to be worth bitching about.

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Reply #59 on: June 02, 2009, 11:02:55 AM

Auburn hair is not blonde.

Sorry, I was thinking of Cersei, I forgot Catelyn was ever a major enough character to be worth bitching about.

Heh, being possibly the biggest dupe in the entire series is noteworthy.

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Reply #60 on: June 02, 2009, 11:05:33 AM

More casting.   Piper is Catelyn.     why so serious?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001061/
Fucker - you had me thinking they had cast Piper Perabo.

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Reply #61 on: June 02, 2009, 01:20:12 PM

Piper the Ugly Witch. Not a fan.

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Reply #62 on: June 02, 2009, 01:28:04 PM

Maybe slightly young to play Catelyn, given that they're aging the kids some.

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Reply #63 on: June 02, 2009, 04:08:22 PM

Unfortunately, Rome is also the closest comp for how the show will be directed, set, and wardrobed, since it's got the same epic royal melee with swords thing going on.

That means it'll be fantastic, expensive, and short.  And one of the main actors will get a role on Gray's Anatomy.

The guy that played Anthony is starring in a film adaption of Solomon Kane.  Fuck yes.
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Reply #64 on: June 03, 2009, 01:56:17 PM

Ugh, I hate everything she does. Nice casting assholes. You picked a brown-eyed brunette to play a blue-eyed redhead.

Especially since a recurring theme in the books is how children of different mothers or fathers look quite distinct.

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Reply #65 on: June 03, 2009, 02:08:39 PM

Yes the identifiable bastard theme runs through the novels in a lot of places.

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Reply #66 on: June 08, 2009, 08:13:25 AM

George or a fan has found the south park character generator

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Reply #67 on: June 08, 2009, 10:44:06 PM

I had no idea Rome was canceled; I thought the ending was fine. Where else could they have gone?


Also, BOOOO on the casting of the ugly witch from Charmed.

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Reply #68 on: June 09, 2009, 12:06:29 AM

Not only was she the ugly one, she was the most annoying one on top of that. I mean come on!

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Reply #69 on: June 09, 2009, 12:10:22 AM

Rome had its third season cancelled before the filming of season 2 had started. Thus it got a tidy ending.

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Completely unlike, say, Deadwood. HBO you cunts.

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