SWTOR

[Draegan]

Jedi Sages and Sith Inquisitors are casters like mages.  So it's like any other caster in an mmo.

Other clips I've seen have them using their saber for deflecting blasters and stuff.  They still get some saber skills, but yeah, they're casters through and through.

Don't they both have a melee DPS AC or has that been changed? I was planning on playing one caster and one melee if I roll one on either side.

I got it backwards last post, it's the Sith Sorcerer that is the caster.  The Sage is the AC of the Jedi Consular.  Sorc is the AC of the Inquisitor.

[luckton]

Why would you go out to preorder at this stage? Or at any stage?

It is not likely that having a head start of a few days is going to impact your life choices or long term happiness to any measurable degree.

Just say no to pre-order bullshit.

You wanna talk about pre-order bullshit?  I pre-ordered Deus Ex: Human Revolution from my local Best Buy.  When the game came out, I went to the store to retrieve the game.  To my surprise, my local Best Buy was not carrying DE:HR for PC, just Xbox and PS3.  The 'big-box' stores were the only ones carrying the PC version.  I did my best impression of an outraged 'the customer is always right' tantrum that I could, and after making a few calls, I ended up going to the big box store to get my game.  I also got a $50 gift card for my trouble.

I would like for lightning to strike twice  

[Margalis]

If only LotRO had some kind of good source material for lore so people could get into the game.

You're still a pretty fucking terrible troll.  You're as subtle as an atomic bomb.

You Star Wars ultra fanboys seem to think that any time anyone says anything remotely negative about SW or remotely positive about a competing anything that's "trolling." The poster he was responding to literally said that LOTR would be better if it had some backstory and lore comparable to the SW EU dreck. Lol?

If anything that's trolling anyone literate.

Why would you go out to preorder at this stage? Or at any stage?

As usual I can confirm I still have my preorder and I'm a dork and have a collector's edition even.

eldaec meet Riggswolfe.

[MuffinMan]

The poster he was responding to literally said that LOTR would be better if it had some backstory and lore comparable to the SW EU dreck. Lol?

I may have missed something but I don't see anyone that said that. If you are referring to Sky, you may want to reread what he said.

[Reg]

Oh don't bother Margalis with that reading comprehension nonsense. He's going to see TOR be at least as great a failure as FFXIV no matter what.

[Sky]

To be fair, I don't care for Tolkein   And I work with a penultimate Tolkein uberdork who has maybe a dozen or more versions of the books, movies, anything at all...so that doesn't help.

You can play along in the Book thread, as I finish each TOR EU novel I'm reviewing it. I'm taking Fatal Alliance slow, because it's actually a decent sci-fi book. I know, right? And Karpyshyn's stuff is fun, light (as light as a Sith novel can be), and a pretty good development of a Sith. All completely unlike Paul S. Kemp's shit-smeared nonsense, which was so wretched it was actually funny.

But who exactly are the ultra-fanboys? I'm definitely a fan, but I probably have as many posts with concerns about things as positive (because I don't want to post about leaks). And I've probably done more comparing TOR (in a bad light) to other mmo than anyone else in the thread (needs Rift's role system, needs a zillion things from GW2, EQ2's bazaar, etc).

I'm also a dork with a pre-order, and pre-launch guild!  

[luckton]

...as great a failure as FFXIV no matter what.

But...FFXIV was a failure.   

[Reg]

I'll confess to being a Bioware fanboy. I'd be preordering any Bioware MMO regardless of the source IP just because I've never played a Bioware game I didn't like. I don't think I'm irrational about it though. I'm willing to accept the idea that it might fail in the long term as an MMO with raiding and end game stuff.  I don't care as I plan to play it like it was 8 single user games. If I find something entertaining to do at the end game that'll be a bonus but if I don't I'll just unsubscribe and wait for the expansion with no drama or tears.

[Ingmar]

Nobody here is actually doing anything but trolling at this point, as far as I can tell.

[luckton]

Nobody here is actually doing anything but trolling at this point, as far as I can tell.

292 pages of it, no less. 

[Fordel]

Nobody here is actually doing anything but trolling at this point, as far as I can tell.

I am clearly cheer leading sir!

[Margalis]

Oh don't bother Margalis with that reading comprehension nonsense. He's going to see TOR be at least as great a failure as FFXIV no matter what.

Ha ha ha. I don't think this is the first time a loser like yourself has hilariously tried to make this personal because I said something mean about your precious Star Wars.

Grow up.

But who exactly are the ultra-fanboys?

Reg for example? Whenever I say something negative about SW he comes back with cracks about something Square related because he thinks I work at Square and is getting me good. He really needs get some perspective and realize that just because he's probably a fat sad loser whose only friends in life are plastic dolls of Han and Chewy that doesn't give him the right to try to launch personal attacks against people far superior to him in every respect.

Only a pathetic ultra fanboy turns Star Wars arguments personal.

[Reg]

Oh dear. What a delicate flower you are.  I hope the big bad fanboy didn't hurt your little feelings.

[Margalis]

Oh dear. What a delicate flower you are.  I hope the big bad fanboy didn't hurt your little feelings.

Ha ha ha. If I'm the delicate one why do you spazz out and make personal attacks every time I make a joke about midichlorians?

Methinks the lady dost protest too much.

What kind of unstable 5-year-old is so invested in Star Wars that they have personal vendettas against people who dare to tell Ewok jokes? Lulz. Spend less time playing with your replica laser swords and more time not being emotionally retarded please.

[Ingmar]

Because your last few posts are a sign of great emotional maturity, am I right?

You two should just make out and get it over with.

[FieryBalrog]

Anyone who can sit through Star Wars EU books (or Star Trek, or Dragonlance, or....) is an "ultra-fan" in my eyes. I'll leave off the boy.

I do however find the fanaticism about Star Wars strange, particularly after the franchise has been repeatedly shot in the face, stabbed, electrocuted and trampled by its creator. At this point it's an incoherent mish-mash of space fantasy tropes that loosely hangs together on the back of two and a half decent movies made three decades ago.

[Margalis]

Because your last few posts are a sign of great emotional maturity, am I right?

I'm just playing along. When in Rome etc etc.

[Margalis]

Anyone who can sit through Star Wars EU books (or Star Trek, or Dragonlance, or....) is an "ultra-fan" in my eyes. I'll leave off the boy.

Come on now, be fair. If you want to read good science fiction your can't do much better than fan-fiction level stories from professional hacks about the continuing adventures of the secret lovechild of Boba Fett's clone and a comely Ewok lass.

See now THIS is trolling. "I don't like being asked to pre-order without much info on the game and why is the NDA still up?" is only "trolling" to Star Wars super fans, especially given that keeping the NDA for too long is criticized for every game that isn't Star Wars. (But magically doesn't apply to Star Wars, because you know, laser swords!) Is there another explanation besides super fandom that explains why only Star Wars should be immune that that criticism? In a thread on any other game someone bitching about the NDA still being up would be a complete non-event and if anything the norm.

Now here is Reg to explain how Dragon Quest X looks bad because defending Star Wars is an impossible and pitiable task that even SW fans with their primate-level brains have slowly come to realize is impossible. Maybe he can also say something about my mom, just for added class. Take it away Reg!

I'm going to go "outdoors" for a while. (Think of it as the opposite of the basement you never leave) I can't wait to come back tonight and see what hilarious crybaby antics you get into in the meantime. Don't disappoint me! Remember: whenever anyone says anything negative about SW, even something that is clearly a lighthearted joke, it's your job and your duty as an emotionally retarded fan of the high ground being an advantage for the exactly 5 seconds that the script calls for it to attack personally and vigorously those who would dare besmirch your lady fair.

[Ingmar]

I think part of the issue here is you're actually the only one talking about Star Wars. I mean if WUA was around you could probably troll him into an argument, but I'm guessing most of us would agree with you that the prequels were shit, etc.

Let me elaborate, you seem to think that people who don't agree with your take that the game is going to suck, are disagreeing because they think WOO STAR WARS AWESOME. But really it's more like a mix of WOO BIOWARE and WOO I LOVE DIKU and maybe a few Star Wars superfans sprinkled through.

[kildorn]

When it comes right down to it, it's woo space swordfights and magical powers and spaceships!

I have little care for the star wars brand, and far more care for the sci fi diku. WTB decent steampunk diku as well, just because I want airship combat that's actually fun.

[Kirth]

I think part of the issue here is you're actually the only one talking about Star Wars. I mean if WUA was around you could probably troll him into an argument, but I'm guessing most of us would agree with you that the prequels were shit, etc.

Let me elaborate, you seem to think that people who don't agree with your take that the game is going to suck, are disagreeing because they think WOO STAR WARS AWESOME. But really it's more like a mix of WOO BIOWARE and WOO I LOVE DIKU and maybe a few Star Wars superfans sprinkled through.

I find your ideas intriguing, do you have a news letter I could subscribe to?

[Lantyssa]

It will be sad if this thread ends up locked right before it hits 300.

I have little care for the star wars brand, and far more care for the sci fi diku. WTB decent steampunk diku as well, just because I want airship combat that's actually fun.

Nix the DIKU and I'm there with you.  (Heck, for good Steampunk that might not slow me down.)

[Margalis]

It seems to me that in any other thread about any other game the point that an NDA has lasted well past its natural expiration date would be completely non-controversial whereas here and only here it gets one accused of trolling.

My theory is that's because this thread is full of Star Wars super fans. I could be wrong. But tweaking SW super fans is fun and for a thread that isn't full of SW super fans people sure get riled up over silly midichlorian jokes. Call me crazy but when your response to a dumb midichlorian joke is to call for someone to commit suicide or to bring up things you think you know about their personal or professional life to score points you are kind of reacting like someone waaaaaaaaaaay too invested in Star Wars.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and all that.

You don't see me calling someone's wife fat or wishing that they'd die in a car crash because they made a joke about spiky haired anime dudes and Moogles. The weirdly personal nature of some of the vitriol here would be embarrassing in Politics.

Anyway...here is a funny video to lighten the mood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zWNJHS9PBE

[Kirth]

It seems to me that in any other thread about any other game the point that an NDA has lasted well past its natural expiration date would be completely non-controversial whereas here and only here it gets one accused of trolling.

My theory is that's because this thread is full of Star Wars super fans. I could be wrong. But tweaking SW super fans is fun and for a thread that isn't full of SW super fans people sure get riled up over silly midichlorian jokes. Call me crazy but when your response to a dumb midichlorian joke is to call for someone to commit suicide or to bring up things you think you know about their personal or professional life to score points you are kind of reacting like someone waaaaaaaaaaay too invested in Star Wars.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and all that.

You don't see me calling someone's wife fat or wishing that they'd die in a car crash because they made a joke about spiky haired anime dudes and Moogles.

I think you have had enough internets for today.

[Tannhauser]

It seems to me that in any other thread about any other game the point that an NDA has lasted well past its natural expiration date would be completely non-controversial whereas here and only here it gets one accused of trolling.

My theory is that's because this thread is full of Star Wars super fans. I could be wrong. But tweaking SW super fans is fun and for a thread that isn't full of SW super fans people sure get riled up over silly midichlorian jokes. Call me crazy but when your response to a dumb midichlorian joke is to call for someone to commit suicide or to bring up things you think you know about their personal or professional life to score points you are kind of reacting like someone waaaaaaaaaaay too invested in Star Wars.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and all that.

You don't see me calling someone's wife fat or wishing that they'd die in a car crash because they made a joke about spiky haired anime dudes and Moogles. The weirdly personal nature of some of the vitriol here would be embarrassing in Politics.

Anyway...here is a funny video to lighten the mood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zWNJHS9PBE

oldmanyellsatcloud.com

Do you still wear an onion on your belt?  I hear that was the style at the time.

[Merusk]

Wat the hell is going on in here..

This has gone beyond silly and into dumb.  You are all lesser for having partaken.

[Margalis]

This is what happened here:

BETA ALERT!!  BETA ALERT!!! BEEP BEEP BEEP

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=36710&page=1

Check out both the tentonhammer and gophn links. Also, Ashen Temper says on page 6 or 7 that information on beta is coming in the "Near Future."

Already fully playable?  Hundreds of hours of story for EACH class?  Either we are witnessing cracksmokery at David Allen-like levels, or this one is finally the real deal    

Check out the date. Nature abhors a vacuum!

[Crumbs]

Were this Algernon or whatever it's called, people would not be throwing down $60 for a product sight-unseen.

This is the buried lead of the last few pages, if not the entire thread.  

We're just going to have to wait till the game is released for any of the current conflicts to be resolved.  Until then, let's get this thread to 300.  NAY 400.

Edit: i got dumprolled

[Ingmar]

Meh, Algernon or w/e was being developed by some Russian studio nobody had ever heard of and had screenshots of Orc Hitler, I really don't think there's any comparison to be made there.

[rk47]

MMO itch is a funny thing, you start thinking of getting a good scratch in there, even looking forward to it...past the company meetings you have to endure, sitting next to the boss. Then when you get back home, you chug down a can of red bull ready to ding your way to lvl 87, login...and get bored after 45 mins. And thats why I am very cautious about MMO, because not all of the content is visible from casual play. You don't have unlimited time to play it. You gotta buy more time through subs. If you can't experience all the content past the 1st free month, too bad for you. They won't even suspend your subscription time when you're out of the country without a laptop.

And that's why I don't really invest in MMOs anymore.

[Evildrider]

I guess you can say that, I want an itch and I'm hoping it's SWTOR.  Right now I play WoW, I'm not a big fan of it really... but there's nothing else my friends and I can play together we can somewhat agree on.  I log into WoW and unless we get right into raiding, I am ready to get out of there in less than 15 minutes.

Now the thing is I WANT to have a game to absorb some of my, unfortunate, free time.  SWTOR is going to give that to me, now how long it will keep my attention is one thing, but I'd rather get my friends to stay in SWTOR than to stay in WoW at this point.  WoW isn't really going anywhere for me and most of the people i know. 

[Riggswolfe]

Why would you go out to preorder at this stage? Or at any stage?

As usual I can confirm I still have my preorder and I'm a dork and have a collector's edition even.

eldaec meet Riggswolfe.

I'm preordering because I want to play with friends and  though I should clarify that I had my preorder before my invite.

As for the rest of your ranting the game doesn't even have a release date so the NDA still being up doesn't seem to be a big deal to me honestly. Once it has a release date I think it should drop a month or two before which is about standard for alot of MMOs to my memory. I've said I predict it'll probably drop in late October based mostly on a gut feeling. We'll see if it turns out to be right.

[Mosesandstick]

SWTOR does have the Bioware name attached to it. I think that makes a huge difference to some people.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, let's get who I'm a slobbering thrall to right here.



(AUSTIN OMG)

[rk47]

It doesn't really mean anything to me. Bioware never made RPGs. And they're working together with Mythic for some MMO consultation right? Which is what made Warhammer so successful in just over 2 years. I rather they made KOTOR 3 single player and let a separate KOTOR online in different time line.