SWTOR

[eldaec]

Do you accept that patents should expire and if so what on earth is the difference?

Because tangible property is different than a story.

How is tangible property such as a book with printed words inside, different to tangible property such as a motor car with metal bent into the shape of a more efficient engine?

[Pezzle]

You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor! 

Take them away!

[Paelos]

How is tangible property such as a book with printed words inside, different to tangible property such as a motor car with metal bent into the shape of a more efficient engine?

You know why, so don't ask silly questions. Besides, in case you haven't noticed, the natives don't like this discussion in this thread.

[eldaec]

Do you accept that patents should expire and if so what on earth is the difference?

I accept patents and copyright expiring after my death. It's party of my body of work, why should I not be allowed to reap profit from it for the full duration of my life?

I'm not a fan of lifetime based copyright because other supporting stakeholders like publishers are kind of screwed by it, and it prevents you selling the rights. Plus Disney Co will live forever. But sure, 'a bigger number than 15' years might be what you'd settle on.

However, you aren't the only stakeholder, you're also talking about the competing opportunity of others to benefit from building on or copying your work, and the consumer's opportunity to benefit from maximising work in the public domain. You need a system that will promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries, but Authors and Inventors are not the only consideration, putting work of any sort into the public domain also has a benefit.

[eldaec]

How is tangible property such as a book with printed words inside, different to tangible property such as a motor car with metal bent into the shape of a more efficient engine?

You know why, so don't ask silly questions. Besides, in case you haven't noticed, the natives don't like this discussion in this thread.

No. I don't. Most advances in modern engine technology require substantially more creative or intellectual investment than a single novel, why should the authors not benefit in perpetuity?

[Paelos]

How is tangible property such as a book with printed words inside, different to tangible property such as a motor car with metal bent into the shape of a more efficient engine?

You know why, so don't ask silly questions. Besides, in case you haven't noticed, the natives don't like this discussion in this thread.

No. I don't. Most advances in modern engine technology require substantially more creative or intellectual investment than a single novel, why should the authors not benefit in perpetuity?

 

[Murgos]

So, you think Lucas should abandon the copyright on Star Wars?

Because that is the only imaginable option available, of course I do.

Right, so you have no idea what I am talking about then?

If Lucas fails to enforce his IP he will eventually lose the ability to do so in the future.

[Pezzle]

So, I bothered to pick an Avatar for the SWTOR site.  You know, they have a shockingly large number of robot droid pictures for a game with no robo race.

[eldaec]

We have to hit 300 pages before September.  Derails must happen!

This is barely a wobble, call me when the thread has twice as many posts about texas toast as we do about the nominal subject.

 

[Murgos]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

[Ingmar]

So, you think Lucas should abandon the copyright on Star Wars?

Because that is the only imaginable option available, of course I do.

Right, so you have no idea what I am talking about then?

If Lucas fails to enforce his IP he will eventually lose the ability to do so in the future.

Pretty sure that is only true of trademarks, not copyright, and this was a copyright case.

[Paelos]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

I'm going to make a Sith Juggernaught and turn up all the settings to Fat.

[Pezzle]

Funny, I was hoping for a Jawa Juggernaut.

Since that will not happen I am praying to the 12 Gods we have appearance tabs for clothing. 

[eldaec]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

The sole reason I'm happy with the BC=empire direction is that it means I don't have put up with ridiculous American accents (except on the bounty hunter I gather).

I am praying to the 12 Gods we have appearance tabs for clothing. 

We did this a few pages back. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no appearance tab. They have the kotor system where most stats come from slottable components instead.

Pretty sure that is only true of trademarks, not copyright, and this was a copyright case.

Lucas *wishes* it was a copyright case. *Snark*

[Bunk]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

I'm slightly less shallow - picking a character based on which companions look most interesting.

[Malakili]

Assuming I buy the game, I plan on playing whichever class looks under populated for the Imperials.  I'm expecting this to be Imperial Agent, but I've been wrong about this kind of thing before.

[Mrbloodworth]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

There are no variations? :( Not even a pitch shift?

[01101010]

So, I bothered to pick an Avatar for the SWTOR site.  You know, they have a shockingly large number of robot droid pictures for a game with no robo race.

Do not go there... some of us are fairly bitter about that fact. 

[Rasix]

Assuming I buy the game, I plan on playing whichever class looks under populated for the Imperials.  I'm expecting this to be Imperial Agent, but I've been wrong about this kind of thing before.

This would be my plan as well, but I'm really drawn to their bounty hunter design.  Which I'm thinking might end up being the most popular class of all.  People love bounty hunters / assassins.

[Paelos]

My guess on the most popular to least popular classeses is based on lore, "badass" representations in the movies, and playstyles.

Most Popular - Bounty Hunter: It will be the WoW hunter at the release of this game. Fuckers will be everywhere and complaining they can't get groups. Several variations will have Fett, Feet, Ftt, Fatt, etc.
2nd Most - Sith Warrior: Everyone played a dark side Jedi in KOTOR at least once, so this is a natural. Plus Darth whoseits are going to be rampant.
3rd Most - Sith Inquisitor: The Warlock of SWTOR. I fully expect it to have tons of caster types playing the sorc build, but it's not going to be as popular as the warrior because it's not canon.
4th Most - Imperial Agent: Nobody knows what this is. They made it up. It's not in any movies and has no background. Oh and it has a healer spec nobody will ever use.

[tmp]

The current 70 years after death timeframe is utter bullshit.

I dunno, that's long enough period that it may deter to an extent these who could otherwise see immense financial benefits in shall we say, ending your patent coverage, now.

[Mrbloodworth]

Imperial Agent

[Rishathra]

I'm going to play an agent because I saw one in that Tatooine gameplay video and she was wearing a duster, and wielding a SMG type blaster.  That's pretty much all the excuse I need.

[tmp]

Having played KGB way back, not playing an agent is very much out of the question.

[Bunk]

Imperial Agent

I was thinking more...

[cironian]

(tarkin)

Yeah, from http://www.swtor.com/news/blog/20100101_001 I think that's the kind of person they were going for. (The fact that he's namedropped in there helps)

[Paelos]

Tarkin's a GRAND FUCKING MOFF.

He is not an imperial agent. That's like saying the Governor of Texas is actually a sniper.

[Merusk]

Malwarebytes hates Tarkin's hotlinked site.

[Mazakiel]

Tarkin's a GRAND FUCKING MOFF.

He is not an imperial agent. That's like saying the Governor of Texas is actually a sniper.

He's a Grand Moff by the time of New Hope.  They've decided he was an Imperial Agent in his younger days.  When they name dropped him in some discussion about Imperial Agents, their said their goal is to show why a guy like Tarkin would be in charge/keeping Vader in line. 

[Simond]

So, who else is going to chose their first character based largely on which voice actor they like best?

Female Trooper because FemShep.

[Paelos]

And they can backpedal all they want. A lot of politicos have military pasts, but they weren't spies/assassins. That's a stupid reference point.

QUICK THINK OF AN IMPERIAL! Uhhhh TARKIN! Yeah he was totaly an agent, even though he is basically listed as a pirate-hunter and politician !  

[01101010]

Always thought of bounty hunters as the contracted military agents...

[Malakili]

I view  Imperial Agents as Mara Jade without the force sensitivity.

[Riggswolfe]

My guess on the most popular to least popular classeses is based on lore, "badass" representations in the movies, and playstyles.

Most Popular - Bounty Hunter: It will be the WoW hunter at the release of this game. Fuckers will be everywhere and complaining they can't get groups. Several variations will have Fett, Feet, Ftt, Fatt, etc.
2nd Most - Sith Warrior: Everyone played a dark side Jedi in KOTOR at least once, so this is a natural. Plus Darth whoseits are going to be rampant.
3rd Most - Sith Inquisitor: The Warlock of SWTOR. I fully expect it to have tons of caster types playing the sorc build, but it's not going to be as popular as the warrior because it's not canon.
4th Most - Imperial Agent: Nobody knows what this is. They made it up. It's not in any movies and has no background. Oh and it has a healer spec nobody will ever use.

If you're right this will be interesting since those classes are in order:

1) ranged tank
2) melee dps/melee tank
3) healing/ranged dps
4) ranged dps/stealth

Which means we'd see a game where tanks are everywhere (on one side at least)

[tmp]

And they can backpedal all they want. A lot of politicos have military pasts, but they weren't spies/assassins. That's a stupid reference point.

Depends on the country.