SWTOR

[Miasma]

I want to run it on an ssd, I can't go back to playing games on disk, this would really suck.  Maybe they haven't bothered to compress all the audio and such yet *wishful thinking*?

Edit: 256G ssd drives cost at least $400 right now, I'm not buying one of those to dedicate to one game.  If that's the real size then I might just wind up skipping on the game.

[sam, an eggplant]

I'm venturing there's some gross misunderstanding on my part, but I'm trying to figure how, say, 138 downloaded would translate to a still 40GB install. That would still present a whole HOST of issues outside of the US, mind you, but at least it wouldn't be a retarded install.

I'm not saying either way, as I've bent the NDA enough already, but it logically follows that you won't have to download 138GB for an installed size comparable to WoW with all its expansions. Also, WoW with all its expansions installed consumes significantly less space than 40GB.

[eldaec]

I'm venturing there's some gross misunderstanding on my part, but I'm trying to figure how, say, 138 downloaded would translate to a still 40GB install. That would still present a whole HOST of issues outside of the US, mind you, but at least it wouldn't be a retarded install.

They are making you install it as dozens of incremental patches. This will always take vastly more space than a single gold install set. The 138 Gb is probably equivalent to what they'll ask to to download over several years post launch. All as modifications to the same 40-60 GBs of actual files.

[sam, an eggplant]

They are making you install it as dozens of incremental patches. This will always take vastly more space than a single gold install set. The 138 Gb is probably equivalent to what they'll ask to to download over several years post launch. All as modifications to the same 40-60 GBs of actual files.

[Modern Angel]

Yeah, caught one of my friends. After upbraiding him* for making me look like an idiot, he confirmed that it was about a 28GB install. HOWEVER, he did download 138GB and it took him about 14 hours to do it.

So there are still several problems with this, though a final install isn't one of them. You still presumably need 138GB free for the download prior to it condensing. It's fucking weird that you have to download that much for a 28GB install. And people with a download cap are still highly fucked.

Why would you have to download that much for an install 1/4 that size?


*I didn't actually do this

[eldaec]

I want to run it on an ssd, I can't go back to playing games on disk, this would really suck.  Maybe they haven't bothered to compress all the audio and such yet *wishful thinking*?

Edit: 256G ssd drives cost at least $400 right now, I'm not buying one of those to dedicate to one game.  If that's the real size then I might just wind up skipping on the game.

Death to all spinning discs.

As it is impractical to get SSDs over 250Gb, my own strategy will be to salvage my existing drive when I upgrade the laptop and double up on the next machine.

But there is literally no way EA spent this much money in order to limit themselves to the top 25% of PC ubermensch. This game will be smaller.

[luckton]

They are making you install it as dozens of incremental patches. This will always take vastly more space than a single gold install set. The 138 Gb is probably equivalent to what they'll ask to to download over several years post launch. All as modifications to the same 40-60 GBs of actual files.

Oh sure, derail me with your logic 

Actually this does make sense...consider someone's WoW install folder prior to Cata.  Assume they started with vanilla, and patched up with every incremental patch up until 3.3.  Just those patches alone that sit in the WoW patches or root folder make up more than the game does.

[luckton]

So there are still several problems with this, though a final install isn't one of them. You still presumably need 138GB free for the download prior to it condensing. It's fucking weird that you have to download that much for a 28GB install. And people with a download cap are still highly fucked.

Why would you have to download that much for an install 1/4 that size?

This game 'has' been in development hell since 2008, right?  Assuming no grand engine meltdowns and rebuilds from the ground up, that's a lot of modifications...

[sam, an eggplant]

he did download 138GB

I have a bandwidth monitor on my router with tomato firmware and actually checked before leaving for work this morning. This is not accurate. Maybe he was torrenting massive quantities of HD fetish erotica at the same time?

[Modern Angel]

Sure, but that's still just so fucking big. I can't think, off hand, of another game with that big a difference, either in development, beta or release.

I can ask him about the erotica. I'll have to ask my other friend who came out at the same number, too.

[sam, an eggplant]

Even if my router's graphs were wrong, my internet connection is not capable of transferring 138GB over the time period in question. Your friends are totally full of shit.

[Reg]

Well if the game isn't to be doomed by it's install size I'm sure it will still be a massive failure because of unskippable quest text!

[Modern Angel]

Even if my router's graphs were wrong, my internet connection is not capable of transferring 138GB over the time period in question. Your friends are totally full of shit.

He senses weakness, moving in for the kill, after lulling his prey into a false sense of security with a hedging conversation...



He's claiming this is what the installer said. So I'm banking on an installer display issue, maybe an issue where parts are redownloaded if they fuck up. In which case, crisis averted if they get that fixed by release.

[tmp]

This game 'has' been in development hell since 2008, right?  Assuming no grand engine meltdowns and rebuilds from the ground up, that's a lot of modifications...

Maybe they subscribe to Steam school of patching.

[Sky]

How many pages can the TOR thread generate about inaccurate information? Dominoes should be taking notes on this level of delivery.

[sam, an eggplant]

How many pages can the TOR thread generate about inaccurate information? Dominoes should be taking notes on this level of delivery.

I cybered Modern Angel's friends in the beta's "#jedis4tweens" chat channel. They told me in confidence that both sith and darkside jedi can hypnotize then daterape their companions and force them to have third trimester abortions.

Problem?

[Murgos]

Well if the game isn't to be doomed by it's install size I'm sure it will still be a massive failure because of unskippable quest text!

You can skip all the dialog.  Apparently hitting the space bar skips you through it.

[Modern Angel]

I cybered Modern Angel's friends in the beta's "#jedis4tweens" chat channel. They told me in confidence that both sith and darkside jedi can hypnotize then daterape their companions and force them to have third trimester abortions.

Problem?

Wasn't aware it was using the FATAL ruleset.

[Outlawedprod]

This game 'has' been in development hell since 2008, right?  Assuming no grand engine meltdowns and rebuilds from the ground up, that's a lot of modifications...

Maybe they subscribe to Steam school of patching.

Witcher 2 9GB patches amirite?

[Ingmar]

I cybered Modern Angel's friends in the beta's "#jedis4tweens" chat channel. They told me in confidence that both sith and darkside jedi can hypnotize then daterape their companions and force them to have third trimester abortions.

Problem?

Wasn't aware it was using the FATAL ruleset.

You're supposed to call it The Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned.

[luckton]

*the smell of fresh cake fills the air*

[Bunk]

How many pages can the TOR thread generate about inaccurate information? Dominoes should be taking notes on this level of delivery.

I cybered Modern Angel's friends in the beta's "#jedis4tweens" chat channel. They told me in confidence that both sith and darkside jedi can hypnotize then daterape their companions and force them to have third trimester abortions.

Problem?

Do the companions have sickles? Are there cows involved?

[Sky]

I hesitate to admit I was thinking the same cross-pollination...

[Malakili]

Don't cross the streams!

[Amaron]

He's claiming this is what the installer said. So I'm banking on an installer display issue, maybe an issue where parts are redownloaded if they fuck up. In which case, crisis averted if they get that fixed by release.

It's got to be a display error.   There's no way he actually downloaded 100+gigs.   Shit I can't believe any of you believed that would be the retail size in the first place.   It's not like this game is supporting some sort of super detailed textures.    You all can do the simple math on compressed audio as well.   You probably have 4 days worth of audio on your nano's or whatever sitting on your desk at this very moment.

[VainEldritch]

*nudge nudge*

*wink wink*

[Modern Angel]

It's got to be a display error.   There's no way he actually downloaded 100+gigs.   Shit I can't believe any of you believed that would be the retail size in the first place.   It's not like this game is supporting some sort of super detailed textures.    You all can do the simple math on compressed audio as well.   You probably have 4 days worth of audio on your nano's or whatever sitting on your desk at this very moment.

I never put gross incompetence past any MMO developer.

I'm actually banking on it redownloading bad data. Same thing happened with AoC prior to release, albeit with a much smaller size. Some folks might remember having to redownload the same 8 gigs or so three or four times in a loop before it would randomly get straight.

[Ingmar]

Yeah it could very easily just be patcher bugs of some kind causing stuff like that. I remember having to download CoH 4 times over during that beta before it decided it wasn't corrupt.

[Amaron]

I'm actually banking on it redownloading bad data.

How long did it take him to download?  Doing a little math it should of taken at least:

138 GB -
FIOS 25 MBIT 12.6 hours
UVERSE 12 MBIT 26 hours
Generic 8 MBIT 40 hours

My guess is he was reading "amount patched" and it kept patching the same huge data file over and over with a slew of incremental updates.   Either that or a display bug.

[WindupAtheist]

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[UnSub]

Clearly you won't need a 200GB install at retail launch, because EA really like money.

Which is why EA is also releasing the SWOR 1TB HD that comes with a customised SWOR skin, a Darth Malgus miniature and SWOR pre-loaded, all yours for a bargin price of $599.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Clearly you won't need a 200GB install at retail launch, because EA really like money.

Which is why EA is also releasing the SWOR 1TB HD that comes with a customised SWOR skin, a Darth Malgus miniature and SWOR pre-loaded, all yours for a bargin price of $599.

$150 I would buy a pre-loaded 1tb swtor HD maybe even $199

[Megrim]

138, after patching.

That's one way to justify a development budget.

[tmp]

Which is why EA is also releasing the SWOR 1TB HD that comes with a customised SWOR skin, a Darth Malgus miniature and SWOR pre-loaded, all yours for a bargin price of $599.

Don't forget the SWTOR keyboard.

[Fordel]

There are people who have no intention of playing SWTOR who are salivating at that keyboard apparently.