SWTOR

[Malakili]

To be fair (lulz), the troops DID do a lot better against the Dark Jedi than any troops I've ever seen against Jedi at least in what was basically a roughly even fight.   When have we ever seen a trooper charge a Force User and not just end up in pieces?   

[HaemishM]

Maybe she just force pushed the dude's arm.

You know what y'all remind me of?  Tanks versus 'mechs.

Mechs with KNIVES.

[Sky]

You know what y'all remind me of?  Tanks versus 'mechs.

Yoda on Vader's lap. It's the new wookie defense.

[Morat20]

Maybe she just force pushed the dude's arm.

You know what y'all remind me of?  Tanks versus 'mechs.

Mechs with KNIVES.

What about tanks that transform into mechs and pull out lightsabers? We need Jedi Mech Transformers.

Although I'd bet money that, somewhere, there's a drawing of Jedi Master Optimus Prime.

[Velorath]

Maybe she just force pushed the dude's arm.

You know what y'all remind me of?  Tanks versus 'mechs.

Mechs with KNIVES.

What about tanks that transform into mechs and pull out lightsabers? We need Jedi Mech Transformers.

Although I'd bet money that, somewhere, there's a drawing of Jedi Master Optimus Prime.

Did you miss the Star Wars Transformers line they did sometime back?

Edit: Apparently they're still making them.

[LK]

I wonder how many more fluff scene-setting CG "trailers" will appear between now and the game's launch.

[Morat20]

Did you miss the Star Wars Transformers line they did sometime back?

Yes.

Lorekeep: That and Deceived were better than The Phantom Menace. Maybe they should just give those guys money to make movies.

[Velorath]

I wonder how many more fluff scene-setting CG "trailers" will appear between now and the game's launch.

Both the CG trailers they've released so far have coincided with E3.  Doesn't seem like something they're planning to churn out.

[Fordel]

I question leaving the high ground as a Trooper, but otherwise I thought it was awesome!

They should have spent the game development money on more CGI cut scenes!


-edit- Trooper Leader guy needs to wear his helmet, not only would his face not be messed up at the end, all that HUD Tactical information is kinda important usually!

[Draegan]

I wonder how many more fluff scene-setting CG "trailers" will appear between now and the game's launch.

You'll see more trailers at next years E3 and maybe another in 2012.

[Sheepherder]

I question leaving the high ground as a Trooper, but otherwise I thought it was awesome!

Non-ballistic weapons nullify the single greatest advantage height offers.

[Goreschach]

-edit- Trooper Leader guy needs to wear his helmet, not only would his face not be messed up at the end, all that HUD Tactical information is kinda important usually!

He was going to, but after getting his quest set he hated how he looked the same as every other trooper his rank.

[Fordel]

I question leaving the high ground as a Trooper, but otherwise I thought it was awesome!

Non-ballistic weapons nullify the single greatest advantage height offers.

Leader Trooper had a grenade launcher though!


-fake edit-

Goreschach, being a Trooper is all about anonymous uniformity!

[LK]

-edit- Trooper Leader guy needs to wear his helmet, not only would his face not be messed up at the end, all that HUD Tactical information is kinda important usually!

He was going to, but after getting his quest set he hated how he looked the same as every other trooper his rank.

Plus, the canon doesn't support retractable helmets for emotional scenes... yet.

Ooo I know what's going to be in the next trailer.

[Draegan]

Obviously he's were contact lenses that display all he needs.

[tmp]

I question leaving the high ground as a Trooper, but otherwise I thought it was awesome!

Non-ballistic weapons nullify the single greatest advantage height offers.

I'd imagine staying out of range of melee guys could be another advantage. Unless even the sith cannon fodder can jump this high...

[Kageru]

Jedi are such a terrible poison pill to game balance. The opening "trooper rush" looks like fun for multiple people then up comes the "look at me, I'm so badass!" sith who expect to be able to wander around a battlefield effectively unchallenged save by another Jedi. When the two of them are engaged the troops just ignore them in a clear sign of either not being in their league or not willing to break canon by shooting them in the back while they are engaged. And when one side has magic that can do anything as long as it looks cool and the other side has conventional arms what can be justified in terms of their actions is totally unbalanced. Star wars would be a much better game if Jedi were like elite special forces. Incredibly deadly when working in solo missions but they still don't expect to showboat against armies or even personally change the balance of power.

...oh well, it's not like any of the in-game video's looked remotely like that so I guess it doesn't really matter.

[SnakeCharmer]

When have we ever seen a trooper charge a Force User and not just end up in pieces? 

With a buck knife, of all things.

Hey!  Let me run at you with my 10 inch serated blade knife!

Or better..

The jedi has you distracted!  I'm standing at range with a gun in my hand!  Instead of putting a nice clean hole in your head from range, I'm going to throw down my gun, yell really loudly as I run at your with a grenade in my hand that I'm going to detonate as I pin you to a wall/tree!  

Dumb.

[LK]

If their storylines are as logical as the events in that trailer...

[Draegan]

http://www.massively.com/2010/06/14/e3-reveal-player-spaceships-and-pvp-battlegrounds-in-swtor/

A new door has been opened today in Star Wars: The Old Republic: the door to your very own customizable spaceship! Mary Bihr and Dr. Greg Zeschuk, of LucasArts and Bioware respectively, stood on the stage at E3 to shock Star Wars fans everywhere. Since the first movie with the Millenium Falcon, the starship has been the center of every character's personal story. Friendships were built, and characters even fell in love, on starships. What story will your character build in his or her starship, and what personal touches would you like to see?

Battlegrounds will be the primary focus of PvP combat in SWTOR. Indeed, the new trailer called "Hope" alludes to the fact that one of the primary battlegrounds will be on the planet Alderaan. We know from the official site that Alderaan is a planet estranged from the Republic. This Core planet is the first announced area which will be hotly contested by both the Republic and Imperial forces. So gear up your Trooper and ready your lightsaber, the battle for the Old Republic is about to begin!

Player Housing and PVP?

[Fordel]

These trailers are never logical though, so I don't really hold it against them THAT much. Soldiers jumping and charging forward is more entertaining then soldiers holding a proper fire/cover/fire line, at least for the general masses.


Like, if you REALLY wanted to be nitpicky, those Troopers would have just mined the pass 10 minutes before the Sith Army came marching through. 

Like shit, one of the Troopers even had a mine strapped to his kit!



But I think one of the main aims of the videos was achieved, unlike the first E3 trailer, the Troopers here are arguably competent, useful and capable of holding their own against even overwhelming odds AND other force users. The "Rawr Rawr Victory or Death, Freedom for all" was thick and silly, but it always is.

I also want that laser gattling gun thing. The noise it made 

[Morat20]

I finally worked out the main reason light-staffs annoy me. You can't use a natural block point -- the center of the staff. All it does is fuck up your weapon. Losing that block point makes the staff just pointless against a sword. You're only able to block on the ends, which still gives you fast counters but you're giving up a giant range of good options.

Maybe the Jedi should make those staffs out of that magic ore shit that blocks lightsabers.

[Lantyssa]

One staff saber was fine.  It worked as a unique weapon for a unique style.  Unfortunately Maul was too cool on that front so everyone had to emulate it, making it more common than dual wielding sabers.

I still want to do a saber pike, which I suppose there are some references for, but which makes infinitely more sense and has yet to appear in a game to my knowledge.

[Sheepherder]

I don't see how a pike makes sense, it's a shitty weapon for combat outside of formation.

[Draegan]

Morning Star saber, saber flail.

[WindupAtheist]

As the resident prequel defender, I just want to make note of my scoffery toward the somewhat common refrain of "loll that was better than the prequels lool" whenever some "ninety seconds of lightsaber porn" game trailer comes out.

Yeah, that's exactly what the prequels needed. Some focus-grouped "crawwwwwling in my skinnnnnn" antihero like the Force Unleashed guy. Or some aggressively dumb battle scenes of Sith lords getting tackled by regular troopers and Jedi stopping lightsaber blades with their hands and shit like that thing we just saw.

That would have totally been better, and satisfied everyone. There's absolutley NO WAY it would have led to the exact same people ranting about "wtf superpowers turn on and off inconsistency DAMN U LUCAS!1!" and "omg their planetary communication system is flares lol i am so butthert" and writing fifteen-paragraph posts about how a Dark Side antihero contradicts what Yoda taught Luke about the Force and also rapes their childhood. Yeah, that's what everyone said the movies needed at the time. DBZ powers and a protagonist who looks like he listens to Korn.

Bite me, this is what you guys get for talking about tanks versus mechs with knives and Jedi and shit. You pretty much summoned me. 

[Margalis]

"Better than the prequels" is a pretty low bar to hurdle. Kind of like saying that eating dirt is better than eating a turd.

[Stormwaltz]

Who charges a Sith with a knife?

Someone who knows that lightsabers can bounce blaster bolts back at you?

[Surlyboi]

As the resident prequel defender, I just want to make note of my scoffery toward the somewhat common refrain of "loll that was better than the prequels lool" whenever some "ninety seconds of lightsaber porn" game trailer comes out.

Yeah, that's exactly what the prequels needed. Some focus-grouped "crawwwwwling in my skinnnnnn" antihero like the Force Unleashed guy. Or some aggressively dumb battle scenes of Sith lords getting tackled by regular troopers and Jedi stopping lightsaber blades with their hands and shit like that thing we just saw.

That would have totally been better, and satisfied everyone. There's absolutley NO WAY it would have led to the exact same people ranting about "wtf superpowers turn on and off inconsistency DAMN U LUCAS!1!" and "omg their planetary communication system is flares lol i am so butthert" and writing fifteen-paragraph posts about how a Dark Side antihero contradicts what Yoda taught Luke about the Force and also rapes their childhood. Yeah, that's what everyone said the movies needed at the time. DBZ powers and a protagonist who looks like he listens to Korn.

Bite me, this is what you guys get for talking about tanks versus mechs with knives and Jedi and shit. You pretty much summoned me. 

I find the sand in your vagina disturbing...

[WindupAtheist]

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. 

Including my metaphorical vagina!

Because yeah, this is what you fruitloops wanted out of Star Wars? Darth Bizkit, who studies the hardcore side of the Force, and sexy Jedi bitches shooting hadokens everywhere? You WHORES!

[Fordel]

Question: Does said 'Sexy Jedi Bitch' sound like Bastila?

[Brogarn]

Someone who knows that lightsabers can bounce blaster bolts back at you?

This is was also going to be my reply.

[Ollie]

Question: Does said 'Sexy Jedi Bitch' sound like Bastila?

Partial to Jennifer Hale's repressed but naughty delivery, are we? I have to admit, there were only so many times I could listen to dark side Bastila's panting "Yesh, Mastah!" without grinning.

[UnSub]

E3 trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYz7BxXUuJU

1st thought: people are bitching about Clone Troopers crash tackling Sith Lords, but the first thing the ambushing Troopers do is drop from their superior raised positioning and onto flatter ground at the same level as those hand-to-hand slaughterhouses. Standard Star Wars battle tactics: do the opposite of the smart thing.

2nd thought: it's official: BioWare is making Star Wars fan fic. "And then it'd be awesome if the Jedi CAUGHT the lightsaber and SUPER AWESOME if they could throw FIREBALLS!".

If you look at the animatic trailers, you can see that BioWare seems intent of doing some sort of Star Wars mash-up, with almost-duplicates of known SW characters from all eras at one location. Makes sense - maximise the popularity and leverage the IP - but when I see Yoda-lite popping up and Kit Fisto-lite almost side-by-side, my eyes start rolling in my head.

[Lantyssa]

The clip of HK-47 mocking Bastilla is still my favorite outtake.

Bite me, this is what you guys get for talking about tanks versus mechs with knives and Jedi and shit. You pretty much summoned me.  

My work here is done...  Your delivery was a little flat though.  Not enough oomph.  I didn't believe for a minute your heart was into your rant.