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Venkman
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Reply #525 on: March 22, 2009, 04:30:04 AM

It's structurally sound for an aging audience that one game completely dominates. Anyone who wants to compete for our* attention has to go up against WoW. And the only way to do that is to offer a good alternative to the style of play that WoW offers wrapped in a relevant theme to draw us in (this isn't SW, it's KOTOR, which has a much narrower awareness). Because unless you have a very specific set of conditions, you're not going to offer a better version of WoW. You need to instead exploit its weaknesses. Which btw were the same ones EQ1 had.

  • PvP unto itself is not a good alternative. It's either been done in a huge way and failed or been done right and been comparatively very niche. Or said another way, it's too risky for a major IP or too small a market for one.
  • Open world has been done too. And it was only big back when the entire genre was small. Risk and market size again. But then add that open was already tried with this IP, and in fact a transmorgriphied version of that still exists. So yea, no SW open world game.
  • FPS/RTS both remain largely unproven in this platform, as it's never been huge when it's been done at all, even if it was done right.

So that leaves an even more direct translation of the traditional RPG trapping of Hero's Journey, one that's different from the EQWoW character optimization system. Yes, that's the most popular mechanic, but it can only ever have a single dominating game at a time because of its model.

No idea how well they'll pull it off. I long for a return of some of Mythica's thinking about instantiated personal/small-group spaces with world-changing events that were permanent. Because if it's not instantiated, it becomes open world smiley

* Being the 18-40 crowd... because I'm older than the usual 18-34 bloc ;-)
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Reply #526 on: March 22, 2009, 10:49:06 AM

* Being the 18-40 crowd... because I'm older than the usual 18-34 bloc ;-)
Did you have to qualify your qualifier?  Now I feel old. tongue

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Reply #527 on: March 22, 2009, 01:14:08 PM

Bioware job isn't really hard, they probably picked the best design model that fits their ability to make a good game. Even if its a not a true blood mmo, a good game with extensive multiplayer may hit just short of a million boxes sold (not just available for retail), and probably end up keeping 50% of the player base in a 6 month period. Pretty good business. If they really want to design an mmo true and true but with a "twist" (aka every mmo for the past 5 years) they have to have budget that covers its cost with 250k player base or pray to the snake god of game design that they keep over 400k paying subs for a year. Otherwise your running deficit once the free trials are up and half your playerbase goes back to WoW (looking at you WAR and AoC).
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Reply #528 on: March 22, 2009, 01:23:50 PM

Otherwise your running deficit once the free trials are up and half your playerbase goes back to WoW (looking at you WAR and AoC).
I'm fairly certain that Funcom and Mythic would be extremely glad if only half their playerbase had returned to wow.

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Reply #529 on: March 22, 2009, 01:36:40 PM

Otherwise your running deficit once the free trials are up and half your playerbase goes back to WoW (looking at you WAR and AoC).
I'm fairly certain that Funcom and Mythic would be extremely glad if only half their playerbase had returned to wow.

True, I should have said, when 90% of your playerbase goes back to WoW.
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Reply #530 on: March 23, 2009, 12:54:57 PM

* Being the 18-40 crowd... because I'm older than the usual 18-34 bloc ;-)
Did you have to qualify your qualifier?  Now I feel old. tongue

What this tells me is that in 2 years I have to take up shuffleboard and drop my Cable for AOL dial-up.

Die.

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Reply #531 on: March 23, 2009, 01:39:56 PM

Give me a few years and apparently I'll be on death's door.  You don't have to wait long.

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Reply #532 on: March 23, 2009, 01:59:30 PM

What? I can't read you. Use a larger font, sonny!

Nothing in this post represents the views of my current or previous employers.

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Reply #533 on: March 23, 2009, 02:09:55 PM

I walked away with a positive impression.

With the outstanding EA track record regarding MMO development, I'm sure it will come out feature-complete and polished, too. Oh man, let's form a guild right now.

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Reply #534 on: March 24, 2009, 04:46:12 AM

i'll bite. Sith or Jedi? Or we gonna be bounty hunters?  awesome, for real

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Reply #535 on: March 24, 2009, 04:51:25 AM

BH. Obviously.

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Reply #536 on: March 24, 2009, 07:22:33 AM

i'll bite. Sith or Jedi? Or we gonna be bounty hunters?  awesome, for real
Sith.  Dark Space Ninjas with LAZERSWORDS always win.
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Reply #537 on: March 24, 2009, 08:00:55 AM

Ewok Faction guilds or GTFO, "Bioware."
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Reply #538 on: March 24, 2009, 09:13:28 AM

I'll play the droid technician  swamp poop
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Reply #539 on: March 24, 2009, 09:16:13 AM

i'll bite. Sith or Jedi? Or we gonna be bounty hunters?  awesome, for real

I'm holding out to see if there will be smugglers. Fuck mages Jedi.

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Reply #540 on: March 24, 2009, 09:17:38 AM

i'll bite. Sith or Jedi? Or we gonna be bounty hunters?  awesome, for real

I'm holding out to see if there will be smugglers. Fuck mages Jedi.
Smugglers who don't smuggle but do in the design doc, confirmed.
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Reply #541 on: March 24, 2009, 09:24:59 AM

CH

Pokemon > Jedi

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Reply #542 on: March 24, 2009, 03:15:18 PM

 Heart

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #543 on: March 24, 2009, 05:30:00 PM

i'll bite. Sith or Jedi? Or we gonna be bounty hunters?  awesome, for real

I'm holding out to see if there will be smugglers. Fuck mages Jedi.
BURN THE UNBELIEVER!!  HE IS A HERETIC!
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Reply #544 on: March 24, 2009, 11:19:42 PM

I'll be whatever faction you old assholes aren't playing. It'll be like farming dark side points from.... old assholes  why so serious?
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Reply #545 on: March 25, 2009, 02:32:22 PM

"you may be younger and faster. But I have better insurance."

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Reply #546 on: March 25, 2009, 03:12:49 PM

"you may be younger and faster. But I have better insurance."

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

 ACK!

I feel worse for actually knowing the reference too.

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Reply #547 on: March 26, 2009, 11:08:12 AM

"you may be younger and faster. But I have better insurance."

that's funny.
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Reply #548 on: March 30, 2009, 08:08:01 PM

Oh they left a lot out of the KOTOR game. Just giving a mention of Darth Malak from KOTOR1.
Looking at the 'landslide' victory in war, I'm amazed that the narration concluded with the Galaxy divided somewhat 'equally' among the two when the graphic presentation slide comes up. Way to be impartial guys!

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Reply #549 on: March 30, 2009, 08:31:25 PM

Sith is the new Horde/Destruction, right?  I don't want to accidentally pick Jedi if they aren't cool!!!!

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Reply #550 on: March 30, 2009, 10:39:47 PM

You have to wait and see which faction gets the half finished quests and scenery and the spraggon model used in 23 different colours as your NPC mobs.

Whichever faction is granted the power of persecution complex is automatically the cool one.

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Reply #551 on: March 31, 2009, 06:08:04 AM

So...  Are we doing another F13 guild (or space guilde, or whatever the fuck they call it in this game?

If so sign me up for 2 months of frenetic play followed by angry ragequit.  I'll bring my wife too so she can berate me for my poor PvP play.
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Reply #552 on: March 31, 2009, 08:43:53 AM

So...  Are we doing another F13 guild (or space guilde, or whatever the fuck they call it in this game?

If so sign me up for 2 months of frenetic play followed by angry ragequit.  I'll bring my wife too so she can berate me for my poor PvP play.

You know the great thing about this game? We probably won't need to. It's "storyline driven" rite? If they do an open beta, we can all finish it in a few weeks.

The whole thing is ill-planned from the beginning.
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Reply #553 on: March 31, 2009, 08:54:57 AM


You know the great thing about this game? We probably won't need to. It's "storyline driven" rite? If they do an open beta, we can all finish it in a few weeks.

The whole thing is ill-planned from the beginning.

So what the fucks endgame?  PvP?  Poetry slams?  Writing intricate genealogies for your characters and pets?  Pokemon breeding?
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Reply #554 on: March 31, 2009, 09:22:06 AM



So what the fucks endgame?  PvP?  Poetry slams?  Writing intricate genealogies for your characters and pets?  Pokemon breeding?

This is why I keep asking why this game is an MMO.
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Reply #555 on: March 31, 2009, 09:26:54 AM

It seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Reply #556 on: March 31, 2009, 11:10:38 AM

So what the fucks endgame? 
No, you just go ahead and think inside the box.

End game.

Looser.
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Reply #557 on: March 31, 2009, 11:18:18 AM

Whichever faction is granted the power of persecution complex is automatically the cool one.
One with wookies and ewoks, then?
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Reply #558 on: March 31, 2009, 11:19:19 AM

Bioware is new to the MMO scene, but I have the utmost faith in that company. They have never developed a shitty product, and on the small scale they learned how to meld a storyline and small party adventures together like no one else. We'll see if they can do that with TOR while scaling it up for the masses, and right now everything I see looks good.

Right now Bioware is one of the few rays of hope, and TOR is probably the best setting to do a star wars MMO because you're not married to a certain plot or timeline like SOE was with SWG.

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Reply #559 on: March 31, 2009, 11:33:41 AM

Bioware is new to the MMO scene, but I have the utmost faith in that company.

Statements like this have an awesome track record when it comes to MMOs.  awesome, for real
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