Battlestar Galactica

[Merusk]

   I'm lost, now I have to watch it again when it airs later.

[Jayce]

I totally called that Cylon 2 years ago.

[Ookii]

Eh, they really turned the whole '5th cylon' thing into a non issue.  I mean everyone is friends now rite?  And the final one is dead, so there aren't any cylon twists in the future.

So where is the show going now?  I guess they're going to focus on the whole Starbuck thing.

[Surlyboi]

I totally called that Cylon 2 years ago.

Everyone did.

[Numtini]

Called which cylon? because the 5th might not be the one. Or that's my thought after tonight.

Dee left me, damaged. Too much history there and experience with someone who had the clarity of knowing what they were doing. Been there. That hurt. But so well done by Mr. Moore. I'll put $ that was for someone in his past.

We always knew there was something cyclical with the whole "this has all happened before," but I never contemplated it had happened opposite to the current cycle and that's now what I'm thinking he's getting at.

Where do you go? "Somewhere out there" There's a lot of options and I think we'll go through a few before he gets back around to Kara.

[Quinton]

Dark.  Very dark.

I recently watched all of S1 back to back with some friends and was amazed at just how much happens in those first 13 episodes.  Some really good TV there.   Season three had some of the best (escape from new caprica - aka bsg the action movie) and some of the worst (gas cloud / particle of the week) episodes of the whole series so far.

I remain stunned by this episode.

[Tale]

I mean everyone is friends now rite?  And the final one is dead, so there aren't any cylon twists in the future.

But the final one respawns on or near Earth when she dies. And she's gonna need vengeance for how she died.

Also, whoever remade Starbuck and her ship is also out there. Presumably it's number 5 and the new friends she respawned into. Starbuck the harbinger of death - perhaps that means sent back by #5 to lead them all to #5's trap of doom?

Dee left me, damaged.

She was going to do it from the moment she clawed at the steel jacks in the dirt. And it was a predictable reaction to the end of hope. Some people did the same when they lost hope en route.

BTW I don't think they're jumping anywhere else. They're about to get a reason to stay on or near Earth. Also, the little green plant. "Eve-a." "Wall-ee." "Eve-a." "Wall-ee." ...

[Jain Zar]

Wow.  BSG is back.  And as usual every episode leaves me wanting more, and only giving me mental blue balls. 

[Tannhauser]

Hmm lots to think on here.

So Adama will lead both human and cylon fleets away from Earth to find a new home?  Might that be 13 new homes?
He's doing what his predecessors did when they founded the Twelve Colonies.  He is actually not breaking away from the cycle, he's just diving back into it!


Starbuck's story is fascinating, disappointed in the 5th cylon reveal, shocked by Dualla. 

Kudos to Mr. Moore for making Earth a bait-and-switch.  Or is it? 

[Nevermore]

Is it just me, or did that centurion faceplate look like it came from an original series cylon?

[Jayce]

Is it just me, or did that centurion faceplate look like it came from an original series cylon?

I think it was one.  "Not like any model we've ever seen"

[Surlyboi]

Not quite. There was an original series cylon in the pilot movie.

That faceplate was wider and less louvered.

[HaemishM]

Some good points to this episode, and some that just make me mad. As in 'This motherfucker really is making shit up as he goes along' mad.

The 5th cylon reveal was so cheap to me. After all that build up, it's a character that I really felt was totally unimportant other than the effect she had on this other character's arc. But of course, all the final 5 reveals have felt like the writers just threw darts at a bunch of cast pics and then wrote the story to fit that.

The Dualla thing felt like a death for the sake of a death, with the added narrative manipulation of making it seem like her and Apollo were going to get back together.

The final five having lived on Earth 2,000 years ago was a neat twist. That and the Kara revealation are keeping me watching. I will say this. The actors involved for the most part gave outstanding performances, even when I feel the material they were given was crappy. The Tyrol/Adama confrontation was especially good.

[Fordel]

The 5th Cylon? Laaaaaaaame. I might need a few more 'A's in that lame to really bring home how lame it actually is.



What I want to know is, who actually blew up earth. The little twist with the 13th colony made is a bit more blurry.

[Nevermore]

The Tyrol/Adama confrontation was especially good.

You mean Tigh?

[Rishathra]

The actors involved for the most part gave outstanding performances, even when I feel the material they were given was crappy.

This sums up a good portion of the series for me.  Ronald Moore has done some good stuff but he has a tendency to focus on his "art" and not let unimportant crap like story, or plot, or logic, get in the way of his vision.  I'm filled with nerdrage every time I hear him spout off about how much he looooved the ending to Sopranos, and he wished he could do that with Galactica but someone else beat him to it.  Fuck you, Ron.

[Tannhauser]

Haem, in some Ron Moore interview he said that they came up with revealing the four cylons as a shocking season ender. 

So, so much for 'And they have a plan'. 

[Triforcer]

Er, just because Tigh "said" she was the fifth, doesn't necessarily make it so.  She is able to respawn...so what?  There was, um, another character in this episode that also showed she had the ability to do that.

And are we absolutely sure Dualla did it?  I don't want to rewatch the scene, but my first impression was that it was someone else.  Did her arm actually appear?

[KallDrexx]

And are we absolutely sure Dualla did it?  I don't want to rewatch the scene, but my first impression was that it was someone else.  Did her arm actually appear?

There wasn't anyone else in the room (and only one door in or out).  Besides look at her words about how she "didn't want to lose this feeling."     She wanted to die happy

[Merusk]

If my webhosting wasn't broken for uploading, I'd post the animated .gif I've got of the scene here.  It's very obviously her own doing.

[Venkman]

And are we absolutely sure Dualla did it? 

Just saw it for the first time now on scifi.com (stupid DVR missed Friday's). Yes, she did it. There is no mystery here, not one that could be wrapped up in 9 episodes anyway. They really can't afford to waste time with petty sidetracks anyway, so I don't expect Apollo the Mob Bounty Hunter or Starbuck vs Scar season-filler episodes.

I gotta say, awesome episode, but depressing as hell. I need me some shamelessly optimistic Michael Bay or Bruckheimer chaser

[Ookii]

I mean everyone is friends now rite?  And the final one is dead, so there aren't any cylon twists in the future.

But the final one respawns on or near Earth when she dies. And she's gonna need vengeance for how she died.

Also, whoever remade Starbuck and her ship is also out there. Presumably it's number 5 and the new friends she respawned into. Starbuck the harbinger of death - perhaps that means sent back by #5 to lead them all to #5's trap of doom?

What the hell are you talking about.  I hope you didn't gleam this information off of a podcast because if the show goes in that direction it will suck.

[NiX]

I think I'll wait to see where they go with it before I get all bummed based off F13 speculation.

Had to re-download and watch episodes 9 and 10. Apparently I just skipped over them, but damn the new episode was good.

[palmer_eldritch]

My theory is that everyone's a cylon.

[Venkman]

I've been thinking the same for a few seasons, and I think this was discussed in an earlier BSG thread. But I will be wildly disappointed if this is the case. I'm all for the sudden changes to characters we cared about, but everyone being a Cylon would be the ultimate "ha ha, we were kidding all along" bullshit I've hated from every incarnation of "it was only a dream" story-ender ever.

At that point I'd just rather they show up at the home system for humans who are armed to the teeth with cutting edge crap they use to blow the shit out of all the cylons that followed the humans there, complete with Michael Douglas as President and an Independence Day like soundtrack with fireworks in front of an America-but-not-America-like flag.

[Raguel]

The only cool thing about this episode is we get a glimpse of how old the Cylon technology is. I fnd the whole human Cylon annoying (I still stand by my statement that everything that sucks about BG stems from the skin jobs)

The writers had already given an age previously with the "Magic Virus" ep. I would add "unknowingly", but maybe they had that through a bit.

[sigil]

I"m glad I'm not the only one to notice this amazing awesome ad placement.

[Bunk]

Not a fan of the reveal, as she was amongst my least favorite characters in the series. More than a few questions floating around. Everything about Starbuck's reveal in this one could be explained by her being the 5th - but aparently she is not?

We know skinjobs don't "age", so if Earth was populated by Cylons 2000 years ago, was everyone a Cylon, or was it "our" Earth, just with some skinjobs hidden amongst us? Or, was that Earth all skinjobs? I think the former more likely, since in Tyrol's flashback, we saw people that were not any of the established Cylon skinjobs.

Of course the obvious question, assuming that Tyrol and buddies have regened a few times since Earth blew up, how did they get to Caprica? Are there any more of them, or do the orignal five only maintain one copy of themselves at once?

Best question of all - will they bother answering any of these by the end of the series?

[Reg]

How do we know skinjobs don't age? Did I miss something?

[tazelbain]

I like this one.  One of the better Exploration episodes.  I really didn't expect Starbuck to be such a coward.

[HaemishM]

The Tyrol/Adama confrontation was especially good.

You mean Tigh?

Yeah, that's what I meant. Brain fart.

[Merusk]

I like this one.  One of the better Exploration episodes.  I really didn't expect Starbuck to be such a coward.

She's always been a coward motivated by fear, self-loathing and an inabilty to deal with anything not a direct combat situation.

[Mrbloodworth]

How do we know skinjobs don't age? Did I miss something?

Tigh clearly aged. The baby's hybrids also, age. Keep in mind, the show is only 4 years old (in show time frame too). Not really long enough to see the skinjobs age. Especially since they have had the uploading thing.

All things point to "They do age".

[Bunk]

Of course the issue with that is, why are every one of the same model the same age then? They obviously can't have all been made at the same time - unless we assume that they just wait for the whole line to hit 80, then slag them and roll out the new younger model...

[palmer_eldritch]

The final five are different to the other cylons, so they don't have to follow the same rules. There also seems to be only one copy of each of the final five.

I vaguely remember Adama pointing out that Tigh had hair when they first met, ie asking how on earth he could be a cylon when he had aged. Actually, I don't think we know for certain that the seven normal skinjobs can't age, but characters in the show seem to assume that they don't, whereas the final five do.

My biggest hope is also that most, at least, of these questions are actually answered at the end.