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Merusk
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I was puzzled by how she died. She can control flames and they danced around her and blue-flame dude all the time but suddenly she can't and Blooie? Unless she died in the rubble, which still doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense as the room was concrete.. flames don't melt concrete.
If I think on it too hard I get a headache. I'm just glad she's dead.
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voodoolily
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Was bored to tears by Sylar's Saw ripoff though,
Yeah, Sauced was like "What is this, Saw?"  The only thing this episode was missing was a good running from the burning building, having Claire, Angela and Noah blasted forward by the asplosions, then Claire ending with a good "NOOOOOOO!!!!!" scene. That woulda really set the finale off perfectly. |
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Cyrrex
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I was puzzled by how she died. She can control flames and they danced around her and blue-flame dude all the time but suddenly she can't and Blooie? Unless she died in the rubble, which still doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense as the room was concrete.. flames don't melt concrete.
If I think on it too hard I get a headache. I'm just glad she's dead.
The one and only reason I really think she is dead is because Noah utters some statement to the effect of "hey, that bitch gonna blow up so big the whole building is likely to collapse on top of us all if we don't start running in dramatic fashion right now!" I believe that line was written in for the sole purpose of answering these kinds of questions. The thing about Sylar though, the more I think about it...remember when Peter died by the exact same method, only to come instantly back to life upon removal of the object? And the time when Claire died by (sigh) the exact same method, got cut all down the chest and midsection only to come back to life upon removal of the object? There is no reason to believe that Sylar is dead for certain. Clearly someone can just find his crushed, burnt corpse and pull out the shard of glass. |
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MrHat
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Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
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I was puzzled by how she died. She can control flames and they danced around her and blue-flame dude all the time but suddenly she can't and Blooie? Unless she died in the rubble, which still doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense as the room was concrete.. flames don't melt concrete.
If I think on it too hard I get a headache. I'm just glad she's dead.
The one and only reason I really think she is dead is because Noah utters some statement to the effect of "hey, that bitch gonna blow up so big the whole building is likely to collapse on top of us all if we don't start running in dramatic fashion right now!" I believe that line was written in for the sole purpose of answering these kinds of questions. The thing about Sylar though, the more I think about it...remember when Peter died by the exact same method, only to come instantly back to life upon removal of the object? And the time when Claire died by (sigh) the exact same method, got cut all down the chest and midsection only to come back to life upon removal of the object? There is no reason to believe that Sylar is dead for certain. Clearly someone can just find his crushed, burnt corpse and pull out the shard of glass. Seriously though, don't think too hard about it. Because glass melts. |
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Cyrrex
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Yeah. Especially when blonde people explode at such outrageous temperatures as to collapse entire buildings. Good point.
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NowhereMan
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I think the biggest change at the end of this season is that the time travellers are now all gone. I really want Hiro to still have cool abilities, maybe find a way to give him teleportation without time travel. The problem is that time travel makes a sucky plot line and if Hiro gets it then Peter gets it, then suddenly Arthur Petrelli's got it and for some reason not bothering to just use it for his evil plans except for fucking with Hiro twice (in Bono voice: "Don't forget Africa!")
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Venkman
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Yea, I'm more interested in the fact that time travel is sorta dead than in the "Villains" arc being over.
Sylar's death begs the question: what happens to someone who gets burned and crushed while their invincibility has been turned off? I can see him coming back for another final round before the inevitable Star Trek TV show kicks off.
The finale wasn't great. Too much time on the Saw stuff and conflicted Sylar. Peter getting his shit together was good to see, but I'd have preferred someone's aforementioned rubber match with Sylar while trying to save Mom other than the tear (not) jerking "I love you" emo crap.
And Nathan is just pissing me off. He's the least consistent character on the show. Divine light, zealot, politician, single-minded CEO, obsessed with spreading power, now obsessed with containing it. X-men 3 here we come.
It's good to see them narrowing the character count though. I can take one-dimensional characters if there's less than them. And as long as I can watch the episodes while posting, it's all good.
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KallDrexx
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I'm chalking the last episode and the interview done before to the fact that they finally gave up trying to save the arc and did what they could to kill people or set things up so ehtye can actually get back to decent heroes again next season.
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croaker69
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Chad Faust has the most pointless death this side of Mace Windu, though at least Mace got to fight a little bit before he was punked.
My wife and I despised this guy so much in The 4400 (as an actor) that we both groaned out loud when he showed up and spontaneously cheered and high-fived each other when he was taken out.  |
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Tannhauser
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I thought they pulled Heroes' ass out of the fire with the last three or four eps. Many storylines have been resolved and it seems the focus has been brought back. They finally let the heroes and villians use their powers so that was cool. Overall I'm pleased, except for Nathan for the reasons described above. Now he and Pres. Obama (hehe) are gonna make hero internment camps and everybody is on the run. Not too thrilled but willing to give it a try. Maybe the writing staff can read some more XMen.  |
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Jain Zar
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Honestly the only thing keeping me watching is Hiro, Ando, Parkman, and Daphne.
Everyone else can eat big bag of dick.
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schild
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 Saw this on TV.com. The comments on the right pretty much say everything there is to say about the show. |
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Signe
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That superbowl advert with them in it was just weird! It made me laugh! Cheers for reminding me. I want to watch the new episode. I even almost very nearly remember the last one!
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Jain Zar
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If they want to make Heroes awesome, they should kill off everyone who isn't Daphne, Parkman, Hiro, and Ando. Everyone else is a dick.
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Signe
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And bring back the invisible Dr. Who!
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UnSub
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I've always thought comic books needed more friendly chatting in taxis action.
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AngryGumball
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And bring back the invisible Dr. Who!
This is like what happened to the black smoke monster from Lost. Did the actor die, piss of a producer, go back to england, follow thru and just retire in show and fade out. ZOMG wrap up the loose end or tell me! |
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Slyfeind
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Very interesting start. Now they must follow through with it.
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Cyrrex
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Yeah, decent start. Though they can very easily mess it up again.
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Raguel
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Tamnhauser's Xmen comment underscores one of the reasons I was never a big fan of Heroes. At least in this episode, they mixed in some Birds of Prey for a change of pace. |
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tazelbain
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It's was trying too hard to be relevant. Next season they are going to do a plot about if heroes should be allowed to marry other heroes. "Government abuses power for a dubious claim 'Safety' " is hardly a brave topic in 2009. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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It's was trying too hard to be relevant. Next season they are going to do a plot about if heroes should be allowed to marry other heroes. "Government abuses power for a dubious claim 'Safety' " is hardly a brave topic in 2009. Hell, x-men have been milking it for decades. |
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UnSub
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It's was trying too hard to be relevant. Next season they are going to do a plot about if heroes should be allowed to marry other heroes. "Government abuses power for a dubious claim 'Safety' " is hardly a brave topic in 2009. Hell, x-men have been milking it for decades. But to different audiences each time. And set in the Marvel Universe, where viking gods and science mistakes get ticker tape parades but mutants get shot at for doing exactly the same kind of things. |
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Lakov_Sanite
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I'm actually on the fence about this mutant persecution angle. I agree it's an 'easy' subject but I'm not sure heroes needs to tackle anything overly complicated. Getting back to a very simple storyline like the first season may work well in the shows favor. Last season we had supervillains, mutating indians, clones, ridiculous amounts of power-swapping, power-losing and a plotline so convoluted that it would take a day to explain. Just saying "gov is trying to round up mutants" is a much easier setting for all the stuff people actually want, which is the char interactions.
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HaemishM
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I almost gave up after the first half, but it got better. By the end, it was actually interesting to me again. At least Peter's getting powers back. I still want to dick stab Claire in her eyes for being such a twit the first half of the show. The direction was absolutely HORRIFIC, though. Too many cuts, too many shots of gigantic-pores closeup, too many cutaways where half the screen is something in the foreground whilie two characters talk. I thought it was the assclown director of Catwoman behind the camera on this one, but apparently not. Whoever it was needs to not direct that show again.
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Soln
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Wow what a mess. Heroes is like the evil anti-Lost. What-not-to-do. Shame.
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Venkman
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This felt like a series reboot. Except they forgot only their veteran viewers watched this. So I'm still pissed that Peter still refuses the mantle of the insta-hit tankmage, Parkman is still wishy-washy, Nathan's doned personality #34 in as many days, Claire and Mohinder are as useless as ever, HRG has flipped again, and this episode did nothing to address all of that. I always walked away with a big deja vu, namely that period back in Buffy the Vampire Slayer when the guvmint formed that anti-Vampire/Demon paramilitary group from which Buffy's beau (and Adam) came. For some reason I see a stronger connection to that than with the recurring X-men theme of an untrustworthy populace/government. At least they're still paying the Hiro/Ando writers  |
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Imagine that this is a post-Loeb series reboot wherein the establishments of character here are going to be important and not fleeting.
The least positive indications for season 4: Trying Too Hard To Be Relevant, with the hardly revolutionary "keeping us safe from the terrorists, I mean, superpowers" plotline, that also appears to be headed on a (literal) crash-course into Lost territory. Bad cinematography, with too many cuts and closeups. Some characters have been reset into crude antagonistic pastiches.
Most positive indications: Lots. They dumped most of the extraneous chaff and soap-opera dynamics out of the airlock, along with Loeb. Nathan gets in a taxi with Mohinder and they have a fairly straightforward dialogue, present their points, and (gasp) agree to disagree and depart on civil terms. Watching it was surreal in the context of how dramabombish people had been acting in the prior seasons. Both Peter and Hiro have been stripped of the Plot Hole Induction superpower, which had been considered a necessary prerequisite for a new season that wouldn't suck. Sylar is looking like he's back to being a compelling character, after having shook off his Badass Decay (ref: TVTropes). Most importantly, they have hit the reset button and gone to a very simple, straightforward storyline.
Season 4 has the potential to be good. This potential is absolutely the last shot they have. Season 2 and season 3 sucked. If season 4 is not an improvement, the show is gone.
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Jain Zar
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The problem is Sylar is STILL ALIVE, and they just can't fucking stay away from VISIONS OF THE FUTURE.
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schild
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The problem is Sylar is STILL ALIVE, and they just can't fucking stay away from VISIONS OF THE FUTURE.
Yea, that's the only problem. Pfffffffffffffffffffffft. This show has 99 problems, and a bitch happens to be one. |
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HaemishM
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Yeah, they definitely need to ditch the visions of the future shit. It's really annoying and absolutely hamstrings them.
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Nevermore
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Over and out.
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AngryGumball
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man this episode tonight was dumb. one minute Daphne rescues Claire, 2 minutes later Claire back in custody Claire is not freaking out Daphne being shot right in front of her she is complaining about the same damn thing she was with her two fathers before Daphne rescued her.
Although this does remind me of one of the first futures where Hiro and Peter become terrorists and Nathan(Sylar) is the president.
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Samwise
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Hey, they found a way to let Peter keep his power but to make it less overpowered. Awesome.
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