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Numtini
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Reply #1155 on: August 28, 2008, 07:48:09 AM

The "feel" is definitely the biggest problem and it is a very very large one.

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Reply #1156 on: August 28, 2008, 02:20:15 PM

At least in LOTRO you can queue up skills.

Responsiveness is their #1 problem right now to me (WAR).

I still feel like LotRO's combat is horribly slow and unresponsive, even with the queue. WAR didn't feel nearly as sluggish to me without the queue.

Not saying a queue would be bad, I just don't know if it would solve any "feel" issues people have.

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Reply #1157 on: August 28, 2008, 02:47:47 PM

The "feel" is definitely the biggest problem and it is a very very large one.

As I just posted in that other downward spiral of a thread:

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I really like a lot of aspects in War (the cradle to grave RVR involvement, the Tome, the PQ's) and I'm a Mythic Fan (3+ Years DAoC, RR9+), I will be waiting and seeing on War before I purchase. The "mushy" combat feel and disconnected animations absolutely kill the game for me. However much I like everything else I just can't get past these issues which affect the core gameplay too much.

It's a game breaker for me. I won't be purchasing until I've heard from people a month in that it's totally resolved, I can't stand it as it is. Even with the improvements in the last patch.

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Reply #1158 on: August 28, 2008, 06:14:03 PM

Mark Jacobs predicts how many subs he expects.  It's a humorous post, says between EQs peak and WOW, which is basically 500k to 10million.

Interesting though he states he'll have at least 500k.  That's something for ya.
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Reply #1159 on: August 28, 2008, 06:16:15 PM

Mark Jacobs predicts how many subs he expects.  It's a humorous post, says between EQs peak and WOW, which is basically 500k to 10million.

Interesting though he states he'll have at least 500k.  That's something for ya.
To be fair, he's probably thinking US/EU, which makes it a range from 500K to 4M.  Still a wide range, but frankly other than putting the top end best-case at 2M, I wouldn't say any different.

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Reply #1160 on: August 28, 2008, 06:40:47 PM

Anyway, lots of things that could be going wrong, the key point is that if the system feels robotic and unresponsive, a lot of people aren't going to be able to engage.
Completely agree. I feel this was the biggest reason LoTRO was so underwhelming. Even buggy AoC seems instant. And I fully believe that the reason CoX has been able to limp along at all through the never-changed head-in-sand grind is because they're system was comparatively twitch.
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Reply #1161 on: August 28, 2008, 10:36:49 PM

Mark Jacobs predicts how many subs he expects.  It's a humorous post, says between EQs peak and WOW, which is basically 500k to 10million.

Interesting though he states he'll have at least 500k.  That's something for ya.

He's probably right. Don't underestimate Mark, he's been in this business along fucking time. If he thinks this product will do 500k+ he's probably right. I think WAR will be a 750k - 1.5 million sub title. Which would be astronomical if WoW didn't exist.

Speaking of marketing, we're out of milk.
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Reply #1162 on: August 28, 2008, 10:48:46 PM

Mark Jacobs predicts how many subs he expects.  It's a humorous post, says between EQs peak and WOW, which is basically 500k to 10million.

Interesting though he states he'll have at least 500k.  That's something for ya.
He's probably right. Don't underestimate Mark, he's been in this business along fucking time. If he thinks this product will do 500k+ he's probably right. I think WAR will be a 750k - 1.5 million sub title. Which would be astronomical if WoW didn't exist.
Right cause he's had experience developing games that successful. Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #1163 on: August 28, 2008, 10:56:33 PM

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If length of time in the business was a predictor of success Richard Garriott would be building his own personal space station right now.

Be honest, how do you know he isnt?
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Reply #1164 on: August 28, 2008, 10:58:28 PM

If he had that kind of money he wouldn't have to pay Russia to send him up into space.
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Reply #1165 on: August 28, 2008, 11:05:32 PM

That's what he WANTS you to think  ACK!

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Reply #1166 on: August 29, 2008, 03:49:08 AM

It'd definitely hit minimum 500k subs, the amount of people still playing the table top and rts would generate 100k at minimum. Even my friends who only played dawn of war(a 40k rts) is genuinely interested in it.

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Reply #1167 on: August 29, 2008, 06:50:33 AM

If AoC can hit 415k, this will hit twice that easy. Sustainability is another matter.
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Reply #1168 on: August 29, 2008, 08:45:50 AM

Mark Jacobs predicts how many subs he expects.  It's a humorous post, says between EQs peak and WOW, which is basically 500k to 10million.

Interesting though he states he'll have at least 500k.  That's something for ya.

He's probably right. Don't underestimate Mark, he's been in this business along fucking time. If he thinks this product will do 500k+ he's probably right. I think WAR will be a 750k - 1.5 million sub title. Which would be astronomical if WoW didn't exist.

WAR is going to hit 750k to 1 million + thanks to WoW (and yes, sustainability is the issue here). It's still enough for Mythic to make their money hats and start work on Romans in Space for consoles.

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Reply #1169 on: August 31, 2008, 10:45:41 AM

EA is now adding a special item that changes you to a bear when you buy command and conquer, red alert3.  Click on my sig, I have a few links in there.

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Reply #1170 on: August 31, 2008, 12:53:17 PM

EA is now adding a special item that changes you to a bear when you buy command and conquer, red alert3.  Click on my sig, I have a few links in there.




This has interesting potential....
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Reply #1171 on: August 31, 2008, 03:25:20 PM

Damn, I wish I was still into C&C.  I burned myself out years ago.   swamp poop
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Reply #1172 on: August 31, 2008, 04:06:43 PM

EA is now adding a special item that changes you to a bear when you buy command and conquer, red alert3.  Click on my sig, I have a few links in there.



I'm not sure it's good or bad but...I'm not sure it's smart. I mean they want you to buy another pc game to get you something in the first pc game. I can understand cross-promotion for different things, card games etc but for pc titles which in theory are competing for a players time/money?

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Reply #1173 on: August 31, 2008, 06:31:31 PM

I'm not seeing the competition. 

I carry one or two subscription games per month, yet I buy whatever single player game I'm interested in as well.  The two seem mutually exclusive to me.
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Reply #1174 on: August 31, 2008, 06:39:12 PM

EA is now adding a special item that changes you to a bear when you buy command and conquer, red alert3.  Click on my sig, I have a few links in there.



I'm not sure it's good or bad but...I'm not sure it's smart. I mean they want you to buy another pc game to get you something in the first pc game. I can understand cross-promotion for different things, card games etc but for pc titles which in theory are competing for a players time/money?


It would be a bigger deal if the games were of similar types, but an MMO and an RTS are two different kinds of games.
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Reply #1175 on: September 02, 2008, 10:48:36 AM

I wrote another article here explaining how Tactics work.  Hope you folks enjoy it.

Edit:
As far as the bear transformation helmet I'm pretty sure you can't use it in combat or while RVR flagged.  Most of the other preorder rewards can't be used in combat, so I'm assuming this is the same.
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