Darkfall "Released"

[ashrik]

haha awesome. I got into a great guild and we have a sickass city and we're going sieging tonight and oh I'm so excited

[Azaroth]

I really meant something more along the lines of their old FAQ where they promised custom houses, 500 skills and 500 spells, literally millions of customization options for your clothes and armor, etc.

The feature list that was quoted, to me, looked like a whole lot of text about nothing.

[DLRiley]

I really meant something more along the lines of their old FAQ where they promised custom houses, 500 skills and 500 spells, literally millions of customization options for your clothes and armor, etc.

The feature list that was quoted, to me, looked like a whole lot of text about nothing.

It's not like those features if implemented would make dark fall less shitty.

[Xurtan]

I really meant something more along the lines of their old FAQ where they promised custom houses, 500 skills and 500 spells, literally millions of customization options for your clothes and armor, etc.

The feature list that was quoted, to me, looked like a whole lot of text about nothing.

Q:Custom houses.
A: No.

Q: 500 skills
A: Unknown, I doubt it, but 'supposedly' some are hidden.

Q: 500 spells
A: See above.

Q: Customization options, millions of them. 
A: Hell no.

Happy? 

[Nebu]

500 skills are only meaningful in a pvp game if they are balanced.  I guarantee that even with 500 skills, you'll still see players utilizing only the select few deemed most powerful by successful players/guilds. 

[Azaroth]

Well yeah. I'm just saying that they were once making a million and three wild promises about the depth of the game, and nobody really seems concerned with any of those anymore. Everyone seems quite happy with the fact that they're apparently discovering the dynamics of a game where everyone can kill everyone else.

It's like this is new and exciting to them. That, and only that, seems to be their justification for paying money to Aventurine. I've seen NOTHING else said about this game that leads me to believe there's anything even remotely innovative or even mildly interesting, and what you've got is a bunch of guys running around swatting each other and casting a few spells then looting corpses and emoting assrape.

If that's the case, I'm mocking up a shitty game in Torque over the next 4 months and taking as many idiot dollars as I can.

[Nebu]

PvP gamers just want a ring to fight in.  As a niche, they are pretty tolerant of the game mechanics as long as it doesn't crash to desktop every 5 mins or get in the way of killing noobs.  Hell... I played DAoC for over 5 years.

[Mrbloodworth]

500 skills are only meaningful in a pvp game if they are balanced.  I guarantee that even with 500 skills, you'll still see players utilizing only the select few deemed most powerful by successful players/guilds. 

I do not think there are 500 unique, utility driven skills. there is mana missile that comes in rank 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 (where it gets its stats adjusted). Then other things like running 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 (+2% run speed!).

ETC... If i am wrong, please correct me.

[Signe]

It doesn't matter how many skills there are.  People will quickly figure out exactly what is the best build for whatever and everyone who does that will be one.  Did that make sense?  If it was WoW, it would be 9 1/2 million NE hunters, or something.

[ashrik]

fucking epic

[Mrbloodworth]

fucking epic

 

[Montague]

fucking epic

Words fail me.

[schild]

See, unlike Demon Souls, this is a game where people do have to validate how they could possibly like it. /snort

[sidereal]

fucking epic

Was that Darkfall gameplay or a climactic scene from Lord of the Rings, because I literally could not tell the difference

[Malakili]

fucking epic

 

Yeah, thats right, Darkfal is Hello Kitty Island Adventure, I said.

[Segoris]

fucking epic

I'm having bad flashbacks of EQ1 at release from those animations/gfx, more specifically would be shiny High Elf Paladins at release. Well, with a willow wisp on steroids while the players used a DAoC UI that is.

[Vinadil]

Hey, those elementals drop some good reagents :).  And yea, PvE combat basically requires one skill... the abilty to align your guildmtes into a square/circle to box in the mob and then whack it to death.  Of course, those guys had just one mob... turn that into 3 and you have to add a few guys who are continuosly knocking back the other 2 while the group kills the one.  Add 4 more, up the damage by 2x (lizardmen...) and, well, you will die VERY fast if you just stand still and whack on the mob like that.  Turn the mob into a dragon that tosses fireballs out and has a cone breath of flame... well yea then 20 people will have a hard time of it and NONE of them will be in melee range for long.

That said, I find it similar to other games if you play DPS, and not too different if you play a healer.  You either target the enemy and click-for-damage, or you find an ally and click-for-heal.  Healing requires a bit more moving since the spells are LOS driven.

As to the lack of features, personal houses were dropped a good while back, the UO crowd was just hanging on to some desire for them even after hearing they would not be in the game.

500 skills is true, they just don't mention that the # 500 includes the same 8 skills for 8 weapon lines and such.  Unique skills would be closer to... 6 for melee combat maybe?  Spells gets quite a bit deeper, but nothing like 500 unique abilities.

And, yea, I am actually a bit confused about the 3million color-coded armor possibilities myself.  It would definitely be helpful, as it is not easy to tell friend from foe in combat with no ability to make guild colors and such.

[WayAbvPar]

fucking epic

Wow. Those combat animations are fucking terrible. The overall look wasn't too bad, but the guy with his back to the camera chopping straight up and down with his sword without moving the lower half of his body? 

[NiX]

fucking epic

Green, right? right?!

[Lantyssa]

Hey, those elementals drop some good reagents :).  And yea, PvE combat basically requires one skill... the abilty to align your guildmtes into a square/circle to box in the mob and then whack it to death.  Of course, those guys had just one mob... turn that into 3 and you have to add a few guys who are continuosly knocking back the other 2 while the group kills the one.  Add 4 more, up the damage by 2x (lizardmen...) and, well, you will die VERY fast if you just stand still and whack on the mob like that.  Turn the mob into a dragon that tosses fireballs out and has a cone breath of flame... well yea then 20 people will have a hard time of it and NONE of them will be in melee range for long.

That dragon fight posted a page or two back didn't look like it played out any differently.

[Falconeer]

Almost no one is in the game and some guys I know are talking about 30 to 120 minutes queues to just login couple of nights ago.

I had to see it myself but yeah, "the shop is temporarily offline".
They brought the concept of "closed and paid beta" to a whole new level.

[DLRiley]

Almost no one is in the game and some guys I know are talking about 30 to 120 minutes queues to just login couple of nights ago.

I had to see it myself but yeah, "the shop is temporarily offline".
They brought the concept of "closed and paid beta" to a whole new level.

Free open beta was dumb. Enter the brave new world of paying to play in a closed beta. It's the future 

[UnSub]

It's hard to put into words what makes something good/better, but don't take the flack that you may receive too harshly and remember that they are probably jealous and confused, because people are dying to play with you, while they are wasting their time in some carebear, corporate loot grind that is going round in circles and getting nowhere and producing no memories worth reporting about.

Yes, stay true you poor poor hardcore PvPers. Don't let the mean words of the awful carebears get to you - they are just jealous of your awesomeness. Everyone will want to be your friend once they get to know you.

[K9]

I don't get all this waffle about "memories", the game's like a week old for fuck's sake. I have memories from 2-3 years ago doing stuff in WoW and AO that I still cherish, but at the time I didn't get all misty-eyed about them; so this whole affair seems like a lot of clutching at straws for something different.

[Lantyssa]

It's hard to put into words what makes something good/better, but don't take the flack that you may receive too harshly and remember that they are probably jealous and confused, because people are dying to play with you, while they are wasting their time in some carebear, corporate loot grind that is going round in circles and getting nowhere and producing no memories worth reporting about.

Yes, stay true you poor poor hardcore PvPers. Don't let the mean words of the awful carebears get to you - they are just jealous of your awesomeness. Everyone will want to be your friend once they get to know you.

Let's gank some PvPers with our mocking carebear words.  I polish my keyboard with their tears.

[sidereal]

PvPers don't cry.  They rage-sweat from their eyes.

[Redgiant]

fucking epic

Calling that a circle jerk would be kind.

Edit: MJ called Tasos to personally thank them for lowering dropping the bar on the ground.

[Redgiant]

The Darkfall animation tool.
 

[Vinadil]

Yep, the 2-hour queue is real, probably why the servers are down this morning.  It seems that they instituted a queue not just to manage the log-in server but to cap the number of players allowed in world.  That is not a good thing when you are running multiple servers, it has people talking of cancelling when there is only one.

It is strange, however, that I feel so strongly about missing 1 hour of playtime in some games, and other games I may pay a month's subscription and never even log in.  I guess it is the fact that I could log in if I wanted to that makes the big difference.

[ClydeJr]

Yes, stay true you poor poor hardcore PvPers. Don't let the mean words of the awful carebears get to you - they are just jealous of your awesomeness. Everyone will want to be your friend once they get to know you.

Let's gank some PvPers with our mocking carebear words.  I polish my keyboard with their tears.

Off-topic: Lantyssa, I saw a billboard for this on the way to work and thought of you.

[Lantyssa]

Off-topic: Lantyssa, I saw a billboard for this on the way to work and thought of you.

HOLY RED PANDA, BATMAN!

 

[Soulflame]

Well yeah. I'm just saying that they were once making a million and three wild promises about the depth of the game, and nobody really seems concerned with any of those anymore. Everyone seems quite happy with the fact that they're apparently discovering the dynamics of a game where everyone can kill everyone else.

It's like this is new and exciting to them. That, and only that, seems to be their justification for paying money to Aventurine. I've seen NOTHING else said about this game that leads me to believe there's anything even remotely innovative or even mildly interesting, and what you've got is a bunch of guys running around swatting each other and casting a few spells then looting corpses and emoting assrape.

If that's the case, I'm mocking up a shitty game in Torque over the next 4 months and taking as many idiot dollars as I can.

Couldn't you just fire up IYP 2.0 and accept donations or something?

[Venkman]

Well yeah. I'm just saying that they were once making a million and three wild promises about the depth of the game, and nobody really seems concerned with any of those anymore.

Could be a rebound game for players who left their first MMO. Could be the UI uniqueness. Heck, half the early accolades for AA and TR in beta were just because they were different.

People begin to look for depth in a new game when the main point of difference of that game from others has been grokked. I suspect we're still a few weeks away from that, in part because so few people can actually play the thing.

[Hindenburg]

It is strange, however, that I feel so strongly about missing 1 hour of playtime in some games, and other games I may pay a month's subscription and never even log in.  I guess it is the fact that I could log in if I wanted to that makes the big difference.

Darkfall has it's own brand of Stockholm syndrome, then?

[gryeyes]

Down syndrome if anything.