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Topic: AOC - State of the Game: February 2008 (Read 64733 times)
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tmp
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Those specs are roughly what I had in a computer 5 years ago (except the graphics card, kind of expected though). They're completely fair and there's no reason it wouldn't run on a 360. 3 GHz Pentium 4 saw the daylight in early 2003 so that was extremely bleeding edge 5 years ago. As curiosity, the Steam survey shows dual core CPUs are currently in ~35% of systems and 60% are single CPUs... but only ~10% of total numbers reports speeds above 3GHz. Read whatever you want out of it. Anyway it's not "crying" since i don't have Funcom stocks so no personal interest if they tank. More of reality check. Personal perspective -- my current system was built roughly year ago, and used mid-to-lower end of spectrum components available back then since i'm too old to bother and spend shitload of money to play the hardware race for 2-3 interesting games released per year. It's dual core 2.13 GHz, 2 gb ram, wih 7600GT card. Meaning yup, it doesn't quite meet their "you might actually play rather than just get frustrated" specs. Sorry, it just really doesn't seem like very sensible approach to me. Given for every Slayerik telling people to 'get a fuckin job' there's 6-8 people telling him back to 'fuck off man, i have dozen more important things to spend my job money on than a computer that still works well enough'. It's these people's money Funcom is going to miss out on. But i'm fairly sure Blizzard will be more than happy to keep receiving it instead. Speaking of which: Recommended Specifications
Windows® System 2000/XP OS: Intel Pentium® IV 1.5 GHz or AMD XP 1500+ MHz 1024 MB RAM 64 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA® GeForce™ FX 5700 class card or above
meaning, cpu-wise WoW recommended specs at the moment of launch was hardware released 4+ years ago. If AoC was to emulate that approach, that 3GHz single core would have to be their recommended hardware level, not the minimum.
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Draegan
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So anyone have cousins who have this game? Because my cousin has this game too and he hasn't been able to get it working. Patches never finish etc. He really needs help and I feel bad for him. I think I'm going to give him a cookie.
Mmmm cookies.
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Slayerik
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It's dual core 2.13 GHz, 2 gb ram, wih 7600GT card. Meaning yup, it doesn't quite meet their "you might actually play rather than just get frustrated" specs. Pure speculation? My guess is that rig will do fine at low-mid settings. But who knows, its easier to just talk bullshit though. My single core 3600 AMD, with 2 GB, and a 7800 GT runs COD4 fine..I'm guessing it will run AoC. Maybe I'm just an optimist.
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Mrbloodworth
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My wife is in the beta (wait.. I am not married) and what I saw over her shoulder says Vanguard and Conan should never appear in the same sentence, post, thread, forum, internet.
This would imply that one of them is far superior than the other. Which one is the question. 
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Falconeer
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Don't be silly. Vanguard redefined the word "trainwreck". Conan won't tank.
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tmp
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Pure speculation? My guess is that rig will do fine at low-mid settings. Yup that's what i'm expecting but it's bit beside the point. What i meant was, if their recommended specs are above the level of up-to-date (though not the high end) hardware from year ago, then the amount of people who is going to see that game with the visuals "as intended" is bound to be very narrow. Compared to WoW which set the recommended requirements at ~3 year old hardware which is imo far more reasonable approach. (this is mostly regarding cpu + typically mainboard combination, as that i suspect takes people longer to upgrade... since it's more work than plugging fresh gfx card) In a way that reminds me of EQ2 -- they targetted 'tomorrow's hardware' with their engine but since people play their games on today's and yesterday's hardware instead, they pretty much shot themselves in the foot with that.
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 07:24:13 AM by tmp »
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bhodi
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Don't be silly. Vanguard redefined the word "trainwreck". Conan won't tank.
O RLY? Maybe it won't "tank" but I wouldn't say glorious success. I suspect it will go the route of CoH; decent initial subscription followed by a slow ablation of the player base that solidifies at a core of realm-type pvpers.
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 07:34:46 AM by bhodi »
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Mrbloodworth
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Don't be silly. Vanguard redefined the word "trainwreck". Conan won't tank.
Did you wife say if this was based on opinion about the game( play), or that the assembly of the technologies used is more solid? As of late, i think many people in this thread are worried about performance, buggyness, and fall back systems for non-cutting edge systems ( or at least, meets min requirements). Gameplay is a separate category to fail on, all on its own.
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Falconeer
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Based on the data I read, collected, gathered and smuggled, I think Conan definitely won't fail. Despite the technicalities, despite expectations and all. Will it bring good money to Funcom? Yes I believe so. Will it make everyone happy? Nah, but what does it anyway? Wife knows nothing about specs, but her cousin says the engine is heavy still scalable AND that there's no point in talking about it before release, debugging and all. the assembly of the technologies used is more solid?
Yes.
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rk47
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I'm just scratching my head at why a lot of developers aim at the medieval setting market, when there's a huge void in the sci-fi MMO setting where ppl are made to suffer SWG. The devs instead prefer to dive into the pool of Zerg that is WoW and hope they can somehow gain a chunk of the swarm that is 'tired of WoW but not tired of medieval orcs and elves'
Fuck, even Warhammer too. Wtf? You have space marines and orks but thinks you can get better chunk of the pie by putting a more RvR-centric WoW?
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Mrbloodworth
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I'm just scratching my head at why a lot of developers aim at the medieval setting market, when there's a huge void in the sci-fi MMO setting where ppl are made to suffer SWG. The devs instead prefer to dive into the pool of Zerg that is WoW and hope they can somehow gain a chunk of the swarm that is 'tired of WoW but not tired of medieval orcs and elves'
Fuck, even Warhammer too. Wtf? You have space marines and orks but thinks you can get better chunk of the pie by putting a more RvR-centric WoW?
The tech level is easer to recreate with believability. Si-fi is hard due to the "science" and "Design" issues. ( Space marines are Warhammer 40k, not warhammer. I believe.)
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Jerrith
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Check out Scott Hartsman's blog post on "Why Fantasy? (I’d love to be wrong.)" at http://www.hartsman.com/. It's got some really good answers to the question. One of the most relevant: I enjoy Sci Fi worlds a lot now, but I enjoy them for what they are - Crafted places of varying degrees of quality and fun - They don’t have the same kind of difficult-to-define resonance that Fantasy does. They take effort to get “lost” in.
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rk47
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can't read the link broken?
:( I just wish that Granado Espada (sword of new world etc) squad play would fit on WH40K setting. Instead of gay-supermodel riflemen we would have space marines with melee or ranged loadout, that you can upgrade with Requisition Point ( cash ) and gain EXP as you participate in battles.
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shiznitz
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His blog being down might mean an announcement is coming.
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I have never played WoW.
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schild
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His blog isn't down. Hasn't been.
Just the uberguilds network being super spotty.
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palmer_eldritch
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My current system was built roughly year ago, and used mid-to-lower end of spectrum components available back then since i'm too old to bother and spend shitload of money to play the hardware race for 2-3 interesting games released per year. It's dual core 2.13 GHz, 2 gb ram, wih 7600GT card. Meaning yup, it doesn't quite meet their "you might actually play rather than just get frustrated" specs.
Doesn't that setup beat the crap out of AoC's minimum setup? You may be proved right in the end, but surely it's a bit early to assume you couldn't run the game just fine.
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schild
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Uhhhhh.
2.13ghz dual core with 7600GT and 2gb ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOC's requirements.
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Draegan
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I built a AMD core duo platform last year with 2 gigs and a 7950 512MB card last year, monitor and all, for 1200. That was 1 year ago. I'm pretty sure you could knock off another 200 from that, and even more if you have a monitor already.
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tmp
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Doesn't that setup beat the crap out of AoC's minimum setup? The minimum setup, yes. I think if year-old computer couldn't meet these then even few devs would realise they're perhaps setting the bar little too high. I mean shit, even Crysis asks for less; both for minimum and recommended hardware setups. (in that post you quoted i was saying the setup cited was below the recommended setup, sorry if it came across confusing)
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 03:07:22 PM by tmp »
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I built a AMD core duo platform last year with 2 gigs and a 7950 512MB card last year, monitor and all, for 1200. That was 1 year ago. I'm pretty sure you could knock off another 200 from that, and even more if you have a monitor already.
Only a grand to play a game I am not at all sure is even worth the box price yet! 
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Draegan
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Well I don't think many people are building computer just for this game. I'm just saying a computer that can play this well doesn't cost a lot of money compared to bleeding edge equipment.
Duh.
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Margalis
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I think the main appeal of fantasy is that you can have tons of items, monsters, magic, etc, and just generally make shit up to your heart's content. If you want an enemy that has the body of a dog and the head of a dolphin you just do it.
In sci-fi you can have - humans with guns. Lots and lots of different kinds of guns...
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Murgos
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I think the main appeal of fantasy is that you can have tons of items, monsters, magic, etc, and just generally make shit up to your heart's content. If you want an enemy that has the body of a dog and the head of a dolphin you just do it.
In sci-fi you can have - humans with guns. Lots and lots of different kinds of guns...
LOL WAT? 
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Margalis
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There's much more freedom in fantasy because of the existence of magic. Yes, Star Wars had some weird aliens and such but mostly it was guys with guns.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Is that supposed to be in green? Star wars was about dudes who could control an invisible force with their mind that allowed them to do incredible things, one might say magical things.
Oh, and also FIGHTING WITH FUCKING PLASMA SWORDS.
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I've heard it argued that StarWars isn't strictly sci-fi, that at its core its Fantasy with a sci-fi makeover. Hence its massive popularity above 'straight' sci-fi
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Margalis
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It certainly isn't hard or military or speculative sci-fi, and "The Force" is obviously magic. But even if you accept it as sci-fi 99% of the guys in Star Wars are humans in armor with guns.
In sci-fi there is a genre sometimes called "future fantasy" or "science fantasy" which is basically what Star Wars is. Not scientific, not speculative, not an extension of human history. Usually "future fantasy" takes place so far in the future that the writer can justify anything - planets inhabited by dragons, multiple regressions back to the stone age, etc. Star Wars doesn't have any sort of timeline at all, it's an undisclosed time and location and takes place in another galaxy.
If you look at what makes Star Wars more diverse (the force, swords, etc) it's all fantasy. It's fantasy with spaceships and robots. Star Wars is like futuristic steampunk - whatever that means. (I can't believe I just wrote that)
I think trying to do any sort of harder sci-fi as a MMORPG would be difficult, especially a traditional character-centric DIKU one. That PS3 game "The Agency" is going to have the same problem, how many different types of guns can you have as items?
I would note that Phantasy Stary Online/Universe is also sci-fantasy, and once again the itemization and variation comes mostly from the fantasy part.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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schild
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Sci-Fi AND Fantasy both need their Citizen Kane.
And don't try to feed me LOTRO.
(Snow Crash movie? Mebbe? Probably not. Transmet could've been it for sci-fi, maybe. Probably not.)
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I think the main appeal of science fiction is that you can have tons of items, monsters, psionics, etc, and just generally make shit up to your heart's content. If you want an enemy that has the body of a dog and the head of a dolphin you just do it.
In fantasy you can have - different sized humans with swords. Lots and lots of different kinds of swords...
FIFY If you want to be as general as that, any genre can be distilled down to base elements. However, looking at science fantasy vs hard sci fi vs distopian sci fi vs whatever flavour sci fi it doesn't all come down to the same elements.
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There's much more freedom in fantasy because of the existence of magic. Yes, Star Wars had some weird aliens and such but mostly it was guys with guns.
I guess this would be the part where somebody throws in the Arthur C. Clarke quote that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is is virtually indistinguishable from magic." There's not really a whole lot you can do with fantasy that you just can't do with Sci-Fi.
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It certainly isn't hard or military or speculative sci-fi, and "The Force" is obviously magic. But even if you accept it as sci-fi 99% of the guys in Star Wars are humans in armor with guns.
In most fantasy it's the same. Only the exceptional people get magic. Only in games where everyone wants to be a wizard is everyone actually capable of magic. In sci-fi you have all kinds of strange alien races. In fantasy you get, uh, orcs, goblins, elves. Over and bloody fucking over. If you're unable to see the possiblities in a science fiction world where anything goes, you're just not being very imaginative.
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There's no Science in the Fiction of Star Wars, at all. Not even flight physics, or gravity, are scientific there.
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rk47
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yeah my childhood memory of watching it labels it as World War 2, in space. With some magical swordsman somehow taking centre stage in mid trilogy (i prefer pew pew than the zoom-zoom of the sabers thank you)
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Draegan
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Futuristic steampunk 
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