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Reply #35 on: January 30, 2008, 05:41:59 AM

No, it definitely works at the moment.  It's difficult to tell from that text, but with the warping stuff it mentions i think it's a different scam.

This is real simple, and is the reason one of our guys (Colbert?) got blown up autopiloting to meet the rest of the frigate gang on Sunday: when you join a gang you inherit their wars and can be attacked by gang-mates' enemies.  This, therefore, depends on your ganker being at war with your alt (who is ganged with the victim).

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Reply #36 on: January 30, 2008, 07:21:07 AM

Luckily for Steve he had little of value in his hauler ;)

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Reply #37 on: January 30, 2008, 08:58:28 AM

3) Socially manipulate your way into getting him to fleet with you: chat for a while, mention how lonely the game is, how you get a lot of hassle from male players for being a girl, whatever you can carry off as a dirty, filthy role-player type.  Ask questions and let them be all wise and informative.  Act impressed.  Find out how much easier life is for girls in general if they know how to simper.

It's quite possible that you might get a few million ISK as a donation as part of this step, and I'm not sure if it's more profitable to continue the social engineering scenario to manipulate your way into their corp hangar or wallet, or to continue getting donations from others too as word spreads that you're a girl, or to do the gang war ransom scenario.
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Reply #38 on: January 30, 2008, 11:37:38 AM

Girls (fake or real) have it so damn easy in a virtual environment where you can't tell if they are ugly or not.

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Reply #39 on: January 31, 2008, 08:32:14 AM

Well, I'm on break from the ganking. I think people are starting to wise up a bit. That and the fuckin vultures have been stealin my kills a little heavily lately.

Next up, within a week or two though, I will be looking for a couple guys willing to suicide a Transport with me. It seems haulers have stepped up their game a notch. PM me for details. I'll most likely do the transports once I complete Energy Management 5, so I can overload my guns.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2008, 08:59:30 AM by Slayerik »

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Reply #40 on: February 01, 2008, 03:15:40 PM

I think that this little test of yours will return the following result:  whoever thinks they can take you out in one salvo will try to.

You seem to be searching for an answer to whether morality or "being nice" is a factor in whatever decision process suicide-gankers use.  I think it is a factor, but it happens in station as they decide what they'll do for the day, not at the gate when they're committed to making some money.

I'm not sure where you are getting that morality thing from.   I am just trying to make a lucrative target that can survive the attack so I can loot their mods. 

The problem I am wrestling with is:

1.  Finding a ship that can be super tanked that
2.  Gatecampers think is an easy kill and
3.  Worth the time and toruble to attack.

I should probably go do some high-sec piracy to really get a feel for it...  Alas I do not have an alt account.
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Reply #41 on: February 07, 2008, 06:04:20 AM

I've read (unconfirmed) reports that the 'lofty scam' (as described above) no longer works

The following explanation was offered

As this tactic was used a lot to blow up freighters it was unacceptable to CCP and thus now if someone is invited to a gang and is warped to a fleet of ships the first gang is at war with it's not possible for the other gang to shoot at that person. They are only permitted to shoot if the person who has been invited to the gang comits an act of aggression (fires) if they don't and they are fired upon the person who thought he/she was clever will get a greeting from concord in the form of a lost ship. It's somewhat complicated now but at least people don't lose full haulers to this problem.

I'm thinking that this "fix" refers to the ability of a Fleet Commander (or lesser group commanders within the fleet?) to initiate warp for all partied members, so the scenario would be: Dirty space pirate convinces innocent hauler pilot into joining his/her "fleet", then the moment said innocent pilot is in the fleet, he/she finds themselves underwarp into the nearest Asteroid belt in which 10 other dirty space pirates are sitting in battleships with big cheesy virtual grins on their faces.
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Reply #42 on: February 20, 2008, 03:54:38 AM

I've been moving a lot of stuff recently, and a Blockade Runner transport seems the way to go. With 2 iStabs and 2 Warp Core Stabs (in addition to the +2 in-built WCS bonus), providing you don't AFK, they are a good bet.

Inbound to a gate at WTZ, you are safe. On the other side, as you don't get bubbles outside of 0.0, unless they can hit you with 5 points of warp scram, you are home and dry- the B. Runner aligns very quickly with 2 iStabs. Unless you hit a very determined camp the other side, they won't catch you there either.

Of course, the downside is that you can't carry very much in a B. Runner, but you can't have it all
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Reply #43 on: February 20, 2008, 06:10:14 AM

Inbound to a gate at WTZ, you are safe. On the other side, as you don't get bubbles outside of 0.0, unless they can hit you with 5 points of warp scram, you are home and dry- the B. Runner aligns very quickly with 2 iStabs. Unless you hit a very determined camp the other side, they won't catch you there either.

Does the focussed script of a heavy dictor not work in lowsec?  I thought that was the new runner-killer, and have swapped to a deep space transport form a lot of stuff as a result.

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Reply #44 on: February 20, 2008, 06:12:13 AM

Two questions to the pro:
-how do you kill t2 transports tanked up the wazoo?
-how long would it take you to raep rifter with ~3k shields?

I saw afk freighter in Jita with around 15B of loot in it. I strongly and wholeheartedly believe that those guys need to die. Have you ever considered setting up freighter ganksquad?  smiley
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Reply #45 on: February 20, 2008, 07:20:40 AM

Two questions to the pro:
-how do you kill t2 transports tanked up the wazoo?
-how long would it take you to raep rifter with ~3k shields?

I saw afk freighter in Jita with around 15B of loot in it. I strongly and wholeheartedly believe that those guys need to die. Have you ever considered setting up freighter ganksquad?  smiley

The only surefire way to kill a 'tanked out the ass T2 hauler' is 3-4 BSes. LC did some Sisi testing on it and stated that for a guarenteed kill they used 4 ravens. An autopilot rifter with 3k shields would live maybe 10 seconds, probably long enough to get back to the gate even if afk. Depends how quick the ganker opens up. If it is scanned beforehand, its definetely toast.


I have considered (and been a part of) a freighter gank op. The main problem is, you need a freighter to scoop the loot...along with 15ish high damage (see tech 2 fitted) BSes. The other problem is in .9 like Jita, you just dont have enough time. Since they nerfed drones (or buffed concord) they dont keep fighting and are jammed just like the players. I'd say you'd probably need a shitload of battleships to pop one in .9

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Reply #46 on: February 20, 2008, 08:04:06 AM

Plus, if you do it in a busy system like Jita you will be fighting to scoop the loot quickly enough, when all the more seasoned players are going to be in there rooting around for high-value-low-volume stuff.  Less likely in a freighter, but we've all seen the ridiculous killmails to know it happens.

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Reply #47 on: February 20, 2008, 01:53:54 PM

I've read (unconfirmed) reports that the 'lofty scam' (as described above) no longer works

The following explanation was offered

As this tactic was used a lot to blow up freighters it was unacceptable to CCP and thus now if someone is invited to a gang and is warped to a fleet of ships the first gang is at war with it's not possible for the other gang to shoot at that person. They are only permitted to shoot if the person who has been invited to the gang comits an act of aggression (fires) if they don't and they are fired upon the person who thought he/she was clever will get a greeting from concord in the form of a lost ship. It's somewhat complicated now but at least people don't lose full haulers to this problem.

I'm thinking that this "fix" refers to the ability of a Fleet Commander (or lesser group commanders within the fleet?) to initiate warp for all partied members, so the scenario would be: Dirty space pirate convinces innocent hauler pilot into joining his/her "fleet", then the moment said innocent pilot is in the fleet, he/she finds themselves underwarp into the nearest Asteroid belt in which 10 other dirty space pirates are sitting in battleships with big cheesy virtual grins on their faces.

Because Teleport ganking just never get's old.

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Reply #48 on: February 20, 2008, 02:29:18 PM

Question:  I have always considered eventually saving up for a freighter, and using it to transport high amounts of goods around Empire to make some cash.  I made decent money doing this with my Badger II when I started out, and it seems like you could make some insane bank with a freighter and its capacity.  However, once I saw how common empire ganking was, I figured this was more or less out of the question, since I'll never be able to afford to lose one of those, and everybody in Empire likes to grief.  From reading this thread though, it seems like most of the griefing happens to indys.  Should I really be that concerned about being ganked/griefed in Empire in a Freighter, or is it actually much more uncommon, and not likely to happen if I'm just carrying trade goods?

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Reply #49 on: February 20, 2008, 02:31:48 PM

It's not likely to happen unless you're carrying billions and billions in cargo. A freighter full of livestock or construction blocks isn't going to be worth losing a dozen battleships over.
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Reply #50 on: February 20, 2008, 02:47:54 PM

It's so horribly unlikely as to be non-existent. Here's why.

No one has a chance in hell at killing a freighter in empire space without knowing exactly where it is and is going with plenty of notice, and has 30 skilled players willing to lose battleships (so that's half a billion just in ships and fittings). A while back someone noticed that concord didn't disable / kill drones, so a fairly small number of drone battleships was able to suicide a freighter. This may be what you were thinking of. For a while, people didn't want to run freighters because of it. This has since been fixed, and all drones now are disabled when concord warps in.

The only time people have a shot at taking a freighter out is in lowsec or 0.0 where concord can't interfere. Add to the fact that a freighter simply cannot realistically be taken out by any less than 5 full DPS battleships, most gatecamps will simply leave them alone.

Also, If the pilot is there and warps into a lowsec gatecamp, he'll just pull a logoffski. If the pilot is fast enough, can ESC-Quit before he's fired upon, he won't have an aggression timer. The ship will automatically warp to a safespot and vanish in 2(?) minutes (whether someone puts a point on it or not). That means you have to be able to probe it down and pop it within that time, which is a herculean task considering the thing has around 132,000 HP.

Add the fact that many freighters are escorted or at the very least scouted for, and you've got yourself a mouthful too large for most pirate outfits to swallow.
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Reply #51 on: February 20, 2008, 03:20:28 PM

Our corp used to do suicide ganking. It was in .5 only and required a large investment, and worked like half the time (a damage control can own you). It basically got old, plus you need a Freighter alt to grab ze loot. Too much of a PITA.

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Reply #52 on: February 20, 2008, 03:31:24 PM

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a damage control can own you
I thought freighters didn't have fitting slots?
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Reply #53 on: February 20, 2008, 03:34:35 PM

This has since been fixed, and all drones now are disabled when concord warps in.
Why does THe Man hate The Drones?

So you're saying CONCORD makes my drones go bye-bye? Thank god I wasn't ever planning to shoot them.
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Reply #54 on: February 20, 2008, 07:55:05 PM

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a damage control can own you
I thought freighters didn't have fitting slots?

fuck if i know....lol

I dont play with big ships

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Reply #55 on: February 20, 2008, 08:13:42 PM

Freighter doesn't have fitting slots and I have one sitting useless for like 2 months now. But 30 pilots, bugger...

Regarding targets, I figure that if you have 30 BS, then you can have few noobcorp scouts with passive targeting scanner in neighbour systems, so you would know exactly how much and where your target carries.

Also, freighter in Jita with 15B of cargo.
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Reply #56 on: February 21, 2008, 08:16:22 AM

They warp-to-0 so you probably have more of a chance if you try to hit it on the undock point when it leaves.  But then you'll have vultures scooping your loot.

15B, though, is nice.
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Reply #57 on: February 21, 2008, 11:07:38 PM

New rule...Dont go afk in a 2 billion isk ship, I will make you go pop.

http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=104863

Fucking Gist X-Type didnt drop, OF Course, but we easily recouped our loses. The guy had so much time, we slowly bumped him of the gate we found him at, and i went 2 jumps to buy a ship scanner, came back and he was still afk. Then we two volleyed his ass. I shoulda just not fired :)

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Reply #58 on: February 21, 2008, 11:16:22 PM


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Reply #59 on: February 23, 2008, 11:59:38 PM

Freighters are just plain tough to kill.  I've seen cases where freighters got trapped on a gate (in 0.0), it turns into a scramble as both sides try to pulse enough reinforcements to the area to either kill all the tacklers or chew through all that structure.  Usually the freighter gets away, then has to hand out money in all directions and apologize for being a dumbass.  Only once seen the freighter die, and he was half-gone before he finally told us what gate he was on (he thought he could creep to the gate at 9mps, then the reinforcements showed up).

In Empire, now that the Drone thing is fixed it's just too damned hard.  Takes 4-5B isk worth of BS to do it, too much prep and coordination, and because you can't scoop in a freighter away from a POS you'd also need a dozen haulers to beat the vultures to looting your kill.  Just stay out of low-sec without good scouting and an escort.  Most of the dead freighters I've heard of, they were going into low-sec with a load full of POS fuel and got caught at the gate.

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Reply #60 on: February 25, 2008, 08:46:03 AM

Slayer, where you part of the CNR kill-comedy that was going on this weekend in hi-sec?  I heard that Tri was behind it and apparently there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Simply awesome! Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #61 on: February 25, 2008, 01:31:56 PM

No, I wasn't a part of this brilliance. Seems they just scan em on one side, when they see a mark they point and pop em on their way into accellerating into warp. I could be wrong, ill talk to some of the guys tonight.


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Reply #62 on: February 25, 2008, 01:56:38 PM

I heard that Tri was behind it and apparently there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Simply awesome! Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Links anywhere?  I'd enjoy reading these.

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Reply #63 on: February 25, 2008, 06:14:06 PM

I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

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Reply #64 on: February 25, 2008, 11:18:54 PM

I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.

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Reply #65 on: February 26, 2008, 08:49:21 AM


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Reply #66 on: February 26, 2008, 09:09:04 AM

I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.
What's the command to take a screen-shot? Just print-screen?
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Reply #67 on: February 26, 2008, 09:23:21 AM

Wowa. that's a lotta barges. What's the story behind that? They were all at war?
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Reply #68 on: February 26, 2008, 09:26:21 AM

Wowa. that's a lotta barges. What's the story behind that? They were all at war?

I'll have to see if I can find the post again, found it on the EvE boards.  Suicide ganks, I guess it only takes like 2 T1 fitted caracals to gank an exhumer before Concord shows up so it's very easy to keep in profit just from a few faction/t2/whatever miners.

Mostly boredom I think though.

*edit* http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713223
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Reply #69 on: February 26, 2008, 10:10:59 AM

I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.
What's the command to take a screen-shot? Just print-screen?

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