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Title: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 06:21:44 AM
There are many ways to make isk in Eve. For half a year now, I have been killing evil Guristas pirates in Venal. Over this time, Concord has earned a high level of respect of my attempted genocide of these Caldari looking bastards. Eventually, they told me I was simply as good as a good guy can get (5.0 sec status). I started thinking, I have them just where I want them!

I decided I would try something few people dare, many people despise, and one of great some risk. I am going to kill people in high sec and take their shit. Now there are many things that can go wrong with this plan. I only bother trying to kill people on autopilot. The thing is, they don't understand what kind of risk they are running in Eve by carrying a large amount of high value goods in untanked ships....ANYWHERE. Here is an example: (Lesson 1 , dont move valuable shit in a noob ship - they are slow.)

I am at my 2nd favorite gate, lazily scanning anything on autopilot. I check everything from Shuttles and noobships, up to Cruisers and haulers. T2 anything I ignore. I cant pop it before Concord rapes me. Shuttles take a real effort to kill, as they haul ass. The only way I attempt one would be a 100 million+ implant or officer item. So anyways, an impairor (noobship) warps in at 15km. I scan it (because hell, why not) and I say to myself...holy shit. Thanatos Blueprint, and about 20 Capital parts blueprint. So I basically web and instapop him. It turns out they were BPCs and not BPOs (100+ million score easy, if BPOS..dont ask). I think to myself what a dumbass.

Lesson 2: Giant Secure Containers Dont Hide Your Cargo
I had an Itty Mark V warp up, 15 km from the gate. It had been a damn slow night so far....hours of noob ships with 1 trit, empty haulers, and fuckers in t2 haulers. Seeing this Mark 5 was a sight for sore eyes. Unfortunetely, he saw me launch my drones and smartly warped off. I scanned em in time to see around 4 million Nocxium (400-450 mil) in Giant Secures. I curse a little bit, and get back to scanning. HE COMES BACK 2 MINUTES LATER. At 15km..like he is on autopilot. So I lock him and tear him a new asshole. Let's go over how this dude fucked up. First off, he was at his keyboard, yet he didn't warp to 0. If you warp to 0, guys like me will never even target you. Secondly, he saw me lock, launch drones and he pulled off an escape. NEVER COME BACK! For a minute I thought he had dumped his cargo and wanted to get me to go pop, but i scanned the same shit.

Lesson 3: Don't watch a guy get concorded.
In my setup, I can rape a hauler fucking quickly...especially if they are dumb and don't tank at all. The other day, I had a hauler I found with a Dread Cruise and a buncha other decent T1/T2 shit in it. I analyze for a quick sec and pop him. As I am going down I realize fuck it, Im dead anyways I might as well pop a random hauler that was sitting on the gate. Somehow I managed to like one volley his ass too. Two kills for one concording...YAY! My noob hauler alt sweeps in and unfortunetely, the Dread shit went pop. I check the random guy's wreck....A few hundred million in salvage parts. The guy convoed me later and asked why I killed him. I said, well I was going down anyways so I figured I'd take down as many people as I could. He replied that the only reason he hadn't jumped yet was he wanted to watch the concord fireworks. With my sensor boosted ass, i had a lock and raped his face before he knew what hit em. He said it was his own dumb fault, kinda like being at a Drive-by shooting and watching instead of ducking. Good analogy, random victim! He took it well, better than some guys which leads me to....

Lesson 4: Don't Be a Crybaby or Vow Vengeance.
No I'm not going to give you your shit back. If you are in a six man corp and vow vengeance upon me, don't pop my Shuttle like a dumb ass...you just threw away your kill rights. Hook line and sinker bitch. If you send me threatening mails...I'll report you for harassment. Well, actually I won't (my griefing has limits). I will however, consider getting my F13 BC buddies to war dec you so I can log in and fuck with you. He got awfully quiet when I told him he was about to get his little corp war decced. The final lesson being...

Don't fucking AFK with expensive shit.


Oh, these past few days have been quite entertaining...as well as lucrative. I am down to 1.3 security status, so I probably only have a day or two of it left. Ah well, its my new favorite past time when I get back up to 5.0 sec status. Gotta love Eve.



EDIT:
I guess I am kinda glorifying this a little. There are serious drawback. I had a can full of BPO's looted right after I popped a guy, that was truely painful. I have lost some ships due to stupidity/greed (tried to kill a T2 ship that had a Gistii 100mn AB in it, that wasnt afk), a ton of time sitting on a gate can get painfully boring. Sometimes, the good shit explodes...actually, a lot of times the good shit explodes. My sec status is plummeting. I have a big list of guys that can (try to) kill me anywhere. People hate me. Yadda yadda yadda.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on January 29, 2008, 07:02:43 AM
I was wondering what the average net isk gain is over all attempts.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on January 29, 2008, 07:04:46 AM
I'd love to read about your setups, maybe move it to the secret folder?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WindupAtheist on January 29, 2008, 07:21:48 AM
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/GrimDysart/spath.jpg)

Just kidding.  Fun story.  Someone finally made your kind of game without it being clownshoes ala Shadowbane.  Post more of this stuff.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on January 29, 2008, 07:30:14 AM
I always watch when someone gets concorded or is in open combat around a gate as long as I'm not in a battleship or hauling valuable goods.

I sidle up really close, as they are generally very near the gate by time they are dead. I quickly loot the wreck and then jump through. It works a lot easier with open combat, since people are more concerned with combat than what happens *after* combat -- I can literally be right next to the guy who gets popped, loot, and be through the gate in 3 or 4 seconds.

Awww yeah. Free stuff. I got my first T2 modules this way.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 07:37:24 AM
What I will say in Public area is, my skills make it sound so easy. I'm near maxed (Controlled bursts 4, AWU 4) in Hybrid gunnery, and drone skills. I would not take a 5 mil SP guy out suiciding, unless you like spending a lot of money.  I'll detail more about isk earned / ship setups there.

I will say be wary of a sensor boosting Tier 1 battlecruiser that has a motionless hauler nearby.


WUA: The funny part was I didn't grief in UO. I would consider this a level of griefing, but well within the game mechanics as I will become the equivilant of a UO red fairly soon. And I only grief people that are being lazy / stupid. So that justifies it in my book ... hehe

Bhodi : Ya , I guess I should clarify...if your ship has a paper thin tank, don't watch someone get Concorded :) Careful looting other people's wrecks as they can shoot you for 15 min after that. If they are busy, or like you said you are on the gate...what the hell!



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 29, 2008, 07:39:03 AM
I suspect that CCP might gimp it at some point by making your insurance contract invalid when you get cordokkened.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on January 29, 2008, 07:51:08 AM
Never done this, but from what I understand, the following are required:

1.  Alt with an industrial, standing by to pick up loot (must be able to have 2 accounts playing at the same time, on 1 computer or 2 computers).
2.  Cheapest ship possible with ability to lock fast, lock silently (passive targetters), cargo scanners, and do a lot of damage per salvo.

Tactics to combat this:

1.  Never autopilot (like he says).  You can set your route in the map, and just manually warp-to-0 towards the yellow gates in the overview.  Activate autopilot mid-warp so it jumps you at the gate, deactivate autopilot after your ship says "Jumping" (so you can warp-to-0 again on the other side).

2.  Tank up your ship.  If it's an industrial, forget about afterburners (you'll warp to 0, not needed), put in medium shield extenders and shield hardeners (EM, Thermal, Kinetic) and keep them on.  If you have valuable goods, don't use an industrial, use a tanked cruiser, tanked battleship, anything with large shields and armor, and fit a good tank maximizing the size of shields/armor and the resistances.  You don't need to repair, you just need to survive an alpha strike.  If needed, buy the ship, use it to haul, sell it when done for your money back.

3.  Figure out what can kill you in one salvo.   Can you be killed by a cruiser?  If yes, don't carry more than 8 million ISK in goods.  If you figure it requires a Battlecruiser, or Battleship, don't carry more than the value of those ships.  Remember that they get paid insurance when they get killed, so they may still go for your 8 million, but likely they'll hold for juicier targets.  But remember that nothing is safe; on several occasions a group has sacrificed 20+ battleships in order to get the cargo of a freighter because it was worth 10x more than the cost of those battleships.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 08:02:47 AM
Passive targeters are not necessary, Id rather run a sensor booster. I am going for AFK guys. I dont even carry a point.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on January 29, 2008, 08:14:34 AM
I'd guess high slots full of blasters, mids with a scanner, a webber and some cheap shield boosters. Lows with resistance plate, DCUs and as many magnetic field stabilisers as you can fit.

You don't even need a fast locking ship because you can cycle your guns without a target, and then open up instantly once locked for alpha-strike pwnage. If the guy is afk anyway, he won't react to being locked and Concord won't do anything until the first harmful action lands.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 10:16:29 AM
I've been meaning to try this myself, actually.  I'll have to do some ratting in Providence before my security rating gets too low (the cruiser and frigate sorties have me down a bit already, but m going to give it a try.  Especially as I suspect that CCP might gimp it at some point by making your insurance contract invalid when you get cordokkened.

I think I could find a way around that.....as soon as im in structure have something in my corp salvo the piss outta me...might be tough, but it could work :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on January 29, 2008, 10:33:27 AM
What's the quickest way to boost your security rating? I've been doing missions, but that doesn't seem to be boosting it too fast. (Our little pirate raid knocked a chunk of me).


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 10:35:28 AM
Mail from what I call a good victim: The ones that understand L2play.

Title: Analogy

2008.01.29 16:59
I just realized an analogy for the situation, one that should be used whenever some btard complains about hi-sec ganks on the forums:

I really can't disavow responsibility. Its like parking a nice car in the hood, they shouldnt take it but your dumb if you think they wont :-p

Happy hunting, thinking about parking my Occator by the suiciders in there and racing to the wrecks :)





The other end of the spectrum:

No Subject

2008.01.27 18:18
just wanted to inform you that you made an enemy for life yopu stupid fuck. I'll be hunting you down like a dog.

Or return what was mine within 48 hours.





Please dont hurt me Mr. 6 person corp guy!!!




Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
What's the quickest way to boost your security rating? I've been doing missions, but that doesn't seem to be boosting it too fast. (Our little pirate raid knocked a chunk of me).

Mine got maxed out by killing NPCs in Venal. I believe any red rats will raise it. Battleships/rares/officers raise it faster I believe.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on January 29, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
Mine got maxed out by killing NPCs in Venal. I believe any red rats will raise it. Battleships/rares/officers raise it faster I believe.
That count missioning rats? 'Cause I kill a lot of those.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on January 29, 2008, 10:40:23 AM
The other end of the spectrum:

No Subject

2008.01.27 18:18
just wanted to inform you that you made an enemy for life yopu stupid fuck. I'll be hunting you down like a dog.

Or return what was mine within 48 hours.





Please dont hurt me Mr. 6 person corp guy!!!
I believe Bat Country is considering new targets.....and we ARE talking about running tutorials in locating, scanning down, and dropping a swarm on targets. We'd need a name.....


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on January 29, 2008, 10:45:24 AM
Hmm...

Conversely, I wonder if it would be fun to tank the *(%$ out of an indi and put a single 80 million ISK implant in the hold, then autopilot it around and see how many folks take the bait.

Not really a money maker I guess cause folks ganking it will have ultra-cheap fittings.....   Hmmm... Maybe if I uber tank a T2, carry a hundred million in implants and then loot the large guns that drop off the battleship...



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on January 29, 2008, 11:14:08 AM
Quote
That count missioning rats? 'Cause I kill a lot of those.

Yes, they count. The tougher they are, the more they add.

You can check it under the security status tab in the character sheet.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 11:20:32 AM
Hmm...

Conversely, I wonder if it would be fun to tank the *(%$ out of an indi and put a single 80 million ISK implant in the hold, then autopilot it around and see how many folks take the bait.

Not really a money maker I guess cause folks ganking it will have ultra-cheap fittings.....   Hmmm... Maybe if I uber tank a T2, carry a hundred million in implants and then loot the large guns that drop off the battleship...



Another thing I love about this game, one person always can seemingly find a way to make money off another's venture. Via deception in this case, but other times by providing me the items to suicide gank. YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM!@!!

Speaking of which, I need like 10 Brutixes made, if someone could make them in the sector of my choosing, I'll make it well worth your while.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on January 29, 2008, 11:26:48 AM
Hmm...

Conversely, I wonder if it would be fun to tank the *(%$ out of an indi and put a single 80 million ISK implant in the hold, then autopilot it around and see how many folks take the bait.

Not really a money maker I guess cause folks ganking it will have ultra-cheap fittings.....   Hmmm... Maybe if I uber tank a T2, carry a hundred million in implants and then loot the large guns that drop off the battleship...



Another thing I love about this game, one person always can seemingly find a way to make money off another's venture. Via deception in this case, but other times by providing me the items to suicide gank. YOU ARE SUPPORTING TERRORISM!@!!

Speaking of which, I need like 10 Brutixes made, if someone could make them in the sector of my choosing, I'll make it well worth your while.

Well now you've got me thinking...  It would probably be easier to supertank a cruiser.  If what you describe is the typical behavior of a high-sec gate camper it would seem that they scan everone, including "light" ships. 

The quesiton I have is what tank would do best?  I imagine a passive shield tank + some resists.  I could probably get 7-10000 shield on a Stabber with 30-50% resists.  Throw a salvager and tractor beam in the hi-slots and you are good to go.  Note:  If you see a stabber flying around with a single +5 implant in the hold today I would make sure you had overwhelming firepower...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 11:48:53 AM
See, stabber might be tough. I, personally, would be weary of such a naturally fast ship. It would have to be pretty damn juicy, though a +5 might work...all depends how long I'd been sitting there.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on January 29, 2008, 11:50:55 AM
See, stabber might be tough. I, personally, would be weary of such a naturally fast ship. It would have to be pretty damn juicy, though a +5 might work...all depends how long I'd been sitting there.

Well I think the goal would be to have the prize juicy enough for someone to take the bait, but not so juicy that it would a tragedy to lose (you don't want 10 BS's ganking you all at once).  The other problem is finding a dhip that someone thinks is gankable, but you can tank the %$#@ out of...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
The hard part about playin chicken is knowin when to flinch.  :drill:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on January 29, 2008, 12:02:37 PM
I think that this little test of yours will return the following result:  whoever thinks they can take you out in one salvo will try to.

You seem to be searching for an answer to whether morality or "being nice" is a factor in whatever decision process suicide-gankers use.  I think it is a factor, but it happens in station as they decide what they'll do for the day, not at the gate when they're committed to making some money.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on January 29, 2008, 12:12:06 PM
I think that this little test of yours will return the following result:  whoever thinks they can take you out in one salvo will try to.

You seem to be searching for an answer to whether morality or "being nice" is a factor in whatever decision process suicide-gankers use.  I think it is a factor, but it happens in station as they decide what they'll do for the day, not at the gate when they're committed to making some money.

I'm not sure where you are getting that morality thing from.   I am just trying to make a lucrative target that can survive the attack so I can loot their mods. 

The problem I am wrestling with is:

1.  Finding a ship that can be super tanked that
2.  Gatecampers think is an easy kill and
3.  Worth the time and toruble to attack.

I should probably go do some high-sec piracy to really get a feel for it...  Alas I do not have an alt account.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on January 29, 2008, 12:13:13 PM
What exactly are you going to loot? t1 battleship modules? They are fitting that ship to be lost to concord.

You aren't thinking. It's not a profitable idea.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on January 29, 2008, 12:13:42 PM
Oh, I misread / misunderstood.  Sorry. 

Postcount++

EDIT:  now, that industrial alt they have parked there, with all the juicy stuff they've looted already..., that might be a good target.  Except, you'd have to have your own indy alt in tow, to loot it.  And, it's probably more profitable to sit at a gate and gank, than it is to travel around looking for gankers with loot still in the indy.  And it would be a stale-mate anyway, you pop his indy and get concordokened, he pops yours as you try to loot and gets dokened.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on January 29, 2008, 12:15:59 PM
What exactly are you going to loot? t1 battleship modules? They are fitting that ship to be lost to concord.

You aren't thinking. It's not a profitable idea.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more that sounds right, while possibly fun there is no way to make a decent profit off this idea (even if I salvage)....


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
Ahh I thought you were out for vengeance on the likes of my kind!


YAAARRRRR you cant hurt me....my  ship's already dead :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Snee on January 29, 2008, 04:12:02 PM
I was suicide ganked once for several billion. I petitioned it because I didn't know that such things were possible. They laughed at me.

After that I moved good stuff in a hyper-nanoed impel. I eventually got ganked again, but luckily I had only a few hundred million in cargo on board. In neither case was I afk.

After that... anything super expensive got moved in a prophecy/absolution with one complex rep on perma. It was slow as hell, and useless for picking up buy order scrap metal (which is how I made my seed money for escrow trading), but I never got attacked in empire again.  This was long before warp to zero, for which I would have gleefully sold my virtual left nut.

Suicide ganking pirates are vile, disgusting, monstrously evil scum deserving of vacuum face lifts. The alt thing still bugs me a little.

But the nice thing about Eve is that you can be evil scum and have your success depend on competence, rather than have game mechanics prohibit behavior. It's what makes it fun, (and real).

Snee


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: SurfD on January 29, 2008, 06:49:52 PM
Out of curiosity, is it possible to escape concord in high sec? Or are you locked out of all stations / Gates with a possie of police hot on your tail till they get you?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on January 29, 2008, 07:12:30 PM
There is no way to escape concord, and if there is, it's deemed an exploit (I'm looking at you, covops cyno).

You're locked out of gates for something like 2 mins 30 seconds after aggression, which is plenty of time to get yourself a concordokken.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 29, 2008, 08:23:58 PM
30 sec, but ya.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 30, 2008, 01:22:40 AM
This is kinda off-topic, but if you really want to be an unpleasant, socially manipulative griefer who loots strip-mining modules, you do this:

1) Set up corp X, a one- or two-man alt corp which is at war with your main corp.  Make sure that your alt is female, to make this marginally easier.

2) Send your little alt in a bantam into an asteroid field next to some guy in a hulk, a covetor or something similar.  Passively targetting and scanning his modules beforehand might be a good idea, I suppose.  Check local for his corp-mates too, just in case.

3) Socially manipulate your way into getting him to fleet with you: chat for a while, mention how lonely the game is, how you get a lot of hassle from male players for being a girl, whatever you can carry off as a dirty, filthy role-player type.  Ask questions and let them be all wise and informative.  Act impressed.  Find out how much easier life is for girls in general if they know how to simper.

4) Once fleeted, warp in your main in a nice thorax or the like.  Scramble then open a convo with the mark, and ransom away: he has inherited your alt's war with your main by virtue of being ganged, and probably ignored the "so and so is at war with" warning on the gang invite screen.  He will be very confused by your ability to scramble him without concord intervention.  Don't explain the trick to him, of course: tell him that the latest path allowed for three minutes aggro in 0.6 space and below or something.  Give him 30 seconds to give you n million or it's bye-bye T2 mining ship and all those T2 strip miners, cpu rigs and mining upgrades.

5) Depending on how much he pisses you off, and how sociopathic you are in general, blow him up anyway.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: 5150 on January 30, 2008, 02:54:20 AM
I've read (unconfirmed) reports that the 'lofty scam' (as described above) no longer works

The following explanation was offered

As this tactic was used a lot to blow up freighters it was unacceptable to CCP and thus now if someone is invited to a gang and is warped to a fleet of ships the first gang is at war with it's not possible for the other gang to shoot at that person. They are only permitted to shoot if the person who has been invited to the gang comits an act of aggression (fires) if they don't and they are fired upon the person who thought he/she was clever will get a greeting from concord in the form of a lost ship. It's somewhat complicated now but at least people don't lose full haulers to this problem.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 30, 2008, 03:41:59 AM
No, it definitely works at the moment.  It's difficult to tell from that text, but with the warping stuff it mentions i think it's a different scam.

This is real simple, and is the reason one of our guys (Colbert?) got blown up autopiloting to meet the rest of the frigate gang on Sunday: when you join a gang you inherit their wars and can be attacked by gang-mates' enemies.  This, therefore, depends on your ganker being at war with your alt (who is ganged with the victim).


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 30, 2008, 05:21:07 AM
Luckily for Steve he had little of value in his hauler ;)

YARRR


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on January 30, 2008, 06:58:28 AM
3) Socially manipulate your way into getting him to fleet with you: chat for a while, mention how lonely the game is, how you get a lot of hassle from male players for being a girl, whatever you can carry off as a dirty, filthy role-player type.  Ask questions and let them be all wise and informative.  Act impressed.  Find out how much easier life is for girls in general if they know how to simper.

It's quite possible that you might get a few million ISK as a donation as part of this step, and I'm not sure if it's more profitable to continue the social engineering scenario to manipulate your way into their corp hangar or wallet, or to continue getting donations from others too as word spreads that you're a girl, or to do the gang war ransom scenario.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on January 30, 2008, 09:37:38 AM
Girls (fake or real) have it so damn easy in a virtual environment where you can't tell if they are ugly or not.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 31, 2008, 06:32:14 AM
Well, I'm on break from the ganking. I think people are starting to wise up a bit. That and the fuckin vultures have been stealin my kills a little heavily lately.

Next up, within a week or two though, I will be looking for a couple guys willing to suicide a Transport with me. It seems haulers have stepped up their game a notch. PM me for details. I'll most likely do the transports once I complete Energy Management 5, so I can overload my guns.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 01, 2008, 01:15:40 PM
I think that this little test of yours will return the following result:  whoever thinks they can take you out in one salvo will try to.

You seem to be searching for an answer to whether morality or "being nice" is a factor in whatever decision process suicide-gankers use.  I think it is a factor, but it happens in station as they decide what they'll do for the day, not at the gate when they're committed to making some money.

I'm not sure where you are getting that morality thing from.   I am just trying to make a lucrative target that can survive the attack so I can loot their mods. 

The problem I am wrestling with is:

1.  Finding a ship that can be super tanked that
2.  Gatecampers think is an easy kill and
3.  Worth the time and toruble to attack.

I should probably go do some high-sec piracy to really get a feel for it...  Alas I do not have an alt account.
Mammoth with 3 passive shield hardeners, a couple of shield extenders (I think with good skills you can fit a large and a medium), and good passive hardening skills makes a ship that can survive 3+ BS broadsides.  Even without the good skills I got a lot of gankers killed trying to get my T2 module cargos before I managed to get into T2 Minmatar Transports.  Put some BPC's for BS or capital ship components in there, fly loops between the big markets and they'll be on you like flies on shit.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Mook on February 07, 2008, 04:04:20 AM
I've read (unconfirmed) reports that the 'lofty scam' (as described above) no longer works

The following explanation was offered

As this tactic was used a lot to blow up freighters it was unacceptable to CCP and thus now if someone is invited to a gang and is warped to a fleet of ships the first gang is at war with it's not possible for the other gang to shoot at that person. They are only permitted to shoot if the person who has been invited to the gang comits an act of aggression (fires) if they don't and they are fired upon the person who thought he/she was clever will get a greeting from concord in the form of a lost ship. It's somewhat complicated now but at least people don't lose full haulers to this problem.

I'm thinking that this "fix" refers to the ability of a Fleet Commander (or lesser group commanders within the fleet?) to initiate warp for all partied members, so the scenario would be: Dirty space pirate convinces innocent hauler pilot into joining his/her "fleet", then the moment said innocent pilot is in the fleet, he/she finds themselves underwarp into the nearest Asteroid belt in which 10 other dirty space pirates are sitting in battleships with big cheesy virtual grins on their faces.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Ombey on February 20, 2008, 01:54:38 AM
I've been moving a lot of stuff recently, and a Blockade Runner transport seems the way to go. With 2 iStabs and 2 Warp Core Stabs (in addition to the +2 in-built WCS bonus), providing you don't AFK, they are a good bet.

Inbound to a gate at WTZ, you are safe. On the other side, as you don't get bubbles outside of 0.0, unless they can hit you with 5 points of warp scram, you are home and dry- the B. Runner aligns very quickly with 2 iStabs. Unless you hit a very determined camp the other side, they won't catch you there either.

Of course, the downside is that you can't carry very much in a B. Runner, but you can't have it all


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 20, 2008, 04:10:14 AM
Inbound to a gate at WTZ, you are safe. On the other side, as you don't get bubbles outside of 0.0, unless they can hit you with 5 points of warp scram, you are home and dry- the B. Runner aligns very quickly with 2 iStabs. Unless you hit a very determined camp the other side, they won't catch you there either.

Does the focussed script of a heavy dictor not work in lowsec?  I thought that was the new runner-killer, and have swapped to a deep space transport form a lot of stuff as a result.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: JoeTF on February 20, 2008, 04:12:13 AM
Two questions to the pro:
-how do you kill t2 transports tanked up the wazoo?
-how long would it take you to raep rifter with ~3k shields?

I saw afk freighter in Jita with around 15B of loot in it. I strongly and wholeheartedly believe that those guys need to die. Have you ever considered setting up freighter ganksquad?  :-)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 20, 2008, 05:20:40 AM
Two questions to the pro:
-how do you kill t2 transports tanked up the wazoo?
-how long would it take you to raep rifter with ~3k shields?

I saw afk freighter in Jita with around 15B of loot in it. I strongly and wholeheartedly believe that those guys need to die. Have you ever considered setting up freighter ganksquad?  :-)

The only surefire way to kill a 'tanked out the ass T2 hauler' is 3-4 BSes. LC did some Sisi testing on it and stated that for a guarenteed kill they used 4 ravens. An autopilot rifter with 3k shields would live maybe 10 seconds, probably long enough to get back to the gate even if afk. Depends how quick the ganker opens up. If it is scanned beforehand, its definetely toast.


I have considered (and been a part of) a freighter gank op. The main problem is, you need a freighter to scoop the loot...along with 15ish high damage (see tech 2 fitted) BSes. The other problem is in .9 like Jita, you just dont have enough time. Since they nerfed drones (or buffed concord) they dont keep fighting and are jammed just like the players. I'd say you'd probably need a shitload of battleships to pop one in .9


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 20, 2008, 06:04:06 AM
Plus, if you do it in a busy system like Jita you will be fighting to scoop the loot quickly enough, when all the more seasoned players are going to be in there rooting around for high-value-low-volume stuff.  Less likely in a freighter, but we've all seen the ridiculous killmails to know it happens.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phred on February 20, 2008, 11:53:54 AM
I've read (unconfirmed) reports that the 'lofty scam' (as described above) no longer works

The following explanation was offered

As this tactic was used a lot to blow up freighters it was unacceptable to CCP and thus now if someone is invited to a gang and is warped to a fleet of ships the first gang is at war with it's not possible for the other gang to shoot at that person. They are only permitted to shoot if the person who has been invited to the gang comits an act of aggression (fires) if they don't and they are fired upon the person who thought he/she was clever will get a greeting from concord in the form of a lost ship. It's somewhat complicated now but at least people don't lose full haulers to this problem.

I'm thinking that this "fix" refers to the ability of a Fleet Commander (or lesser group commanders within the fleet?) to initiate warp for all partied members, so the scenario would be: Dirty space pirate convinces innocent hauler pilot into joining his/her "fleet", then the moment said innocent pilot is in the fleet, he/she finds themselves underwarp into the nearest Asteroid belt in which 10 other dirty space pirates are sitting in battleships with big cheesy virtual grins on their faces.

Because Teleport ganking just never get's old.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on February 20, 2008, 12:29:18 PM
Question:  I have always considered eventually saving up for a freighter, and using it to transport high amounts of goods around Empire to make some cash.  I made decent money doing this with my Badger II when I started out, and it seems like you could make some insane bank with a freighter and its capacity.  However, once I saw how common empire ganking was, I figured this was more or less out of the question, since I'll never be able to afford to lose one of those, and everybody in Empire likes to grief.  From reading this thread though, it seems like most of the griefing happens to indys.  Should I really be that concerned about being ganked/griefed in Empire in a Freighter, or is it actually much more uncommon, and not likely to happen if I'm just carrying trade goods?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on February 20, 2008, 12:31:48 PM
It's not likely to happen unless you're carrying billions and billions in cargo. A freighter full of livestock or construction blocks isn't going to be worth losing a dozen battleships over.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on February 20, 2008, 12:47:54 PM
It's so horribly unlikely as to be non-existent. Here's why.

No one has a chance in hell at killing a freighter in empire space without knowing exactly where it is and is going with plenty of notice, and has 30 skilled players willing to lose battleships (so that's half a billion just in ships and fittings). A while back someone noticed that concord didn't disable / kill drones, so a fairly small number of drone battleships was able to suicide a freighter. This may be what you were thinking of. For a while, people didn't want to run freighters because of it. This has since been fixed, and all drones now are disabled when concord warps in.

The only time people have a shot at taking a freighter out is in lowsec or 0.0 where concord can't interfere. Add to the fact that a freighter simply cannot realistically be taken out by any less than 5 full DPS battleships, most gatecamps will simply leave them alone.

Also, If the pilot is there and warps into a lowsec gatecamp, he'll just pull a logoffski. If the pilot is fast enough, can ESC-Quit before he's fired upon, he won't have an aggression timer. The ship will automatically warp to a safespot and vanish in 2(?) minutes (whether someone puts a point on it or not). That means you have to be able to probe it down and pop it within that time, which is a herculean task considering the thing has around 132,000 HP.

Add the fact that many freighters are escorted or at the very least scouted for, and you've got yourself a mouthful too large for most pirate outfits to swallow.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 20, 2008, 01:20:28 PM
Our corp used to do suicide ganking. It was in .5 only and required a large investment, and worked like half the time (a damage control can own you). It basically got old, plus you need a Freighter alt to grab ze loot. Too much of a PITA.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on February 20, 2008, 01:31:24 PM
Quote
a damage control can own you
I thought freighters didn't have fitting slots?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on February 20, 2008, 01:34:35 PM
This has since been fixed, and all drones now are disabled when concord warps in.
Why does THe Man hate The Drones?

So you're saying CONCORD makes my drones go bye-bye? Thank god I wasn't ever planning to shoot them.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 20, 2008, 05:55:05 PM
Quote
a damage control can own you
I thought freighters didn't have fitting slots?

fuck if i know....lol

I dont play with big ships


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: JoeTF on February 20, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Freighter doesn't have fitting slots and I have one sitting useless for like 2 months now. But 30 pilots, bugger...

Regarding targets, I figure that if you have 30 BS, then you can have few noobcorp scouts with passive targeting scanner in neighbour systems, so you would know exactly how much and where your target carries.

Also, freighter in Jita with 15B of cargo.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on February 21, 2008, 06:16:22 AM
They warp-to-0 so you probably have more of a chance if you try to hit it on the undock point when it leaves.  But then you'll have vultures scooping your loot.

15B, though, is nice.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 21, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
New rule...Dont go afk in a 2 billion isk ship, I will make you go pop.

http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=104863

Fucking Gist X-Type didnt drop, OF Course, but we easily recouped our loses. The guy had so much time, we slowly bumped him of the gate we found him at, and i went 2 jumps to buy a ship scanner, came back and he was still afk. Then we two volleyed his ass. I shoulda just not fired :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 21, 2008, 09:16:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 23, 2008, 09:59:38 PM
Freighters are just plain tough to kill.  I've seen cases where freighters got trapped on a gate (in 0.0), it turns into a scramble as both sides try to pulse enough reinforcements to the area to either kill all the tacklers or chew through all that structure.  Usually the freighter gets away, then has to hand out money in all directions and apologize for being a dumbass.  Only once seen the freighter die, and he was half-gone before he finally told us what gate he was on (he thought he could creep to the gate at 9mps, then the reinforcements showed up).

In Empire, now that the Drone thing is fixed it's just too damned hard.  Takes 4-5B isk worth of BS to do it, too much prep and coordination, and because you can't scoop in a freighter away from a POS you'd also need a dozen haulers to beat the vultures to looting your kill.  Just stay out of low-sec without good scouting and an escort.  Most of the dead freighters I've heard of, they were going into low-sec with a load full of POS fuel and got caught at the gate.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: amiable on February 25, 2008, 06:46:03 AM
Slayer, where you part of the CNR kill-comedy that was going on this weekend in hi-sec?  I heard that Tri was behind it and apparently there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Simply awesome! :grin:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 25, 2008, 11:31:56 AM
No, I wasn't a part of this brilliance. Seems they just scan em on one side, when they see a mark they point and pop em on their way into accellerating into warp. I could be wrong, ill talk to some of the guys tonight.


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Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 25, 2008, 11:56:38 AM
I heard that Tri was behind it and apparently there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Simply awesome! :grin:

Links anywhere?  I'd enjoy reading these.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Hoax on February 25, 2008, 04:14:06 PM
I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 25, 2008, 09:18:54 PM
I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 26, 2008, 06:49:21 AM
Empire exhumer ganking.  :uhrr:

http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008 (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on February 26, 2008, 07:09:04 AM
I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.
What's the command to take a screen-shot? Just print-screen?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on February 26, 2008, 07:23:21 AM
Empire exhumer ganking.  :uhrr:

http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008 (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008)
Wowa. that's a lotta barges. What's the story behind that? They were all at war?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 26, 2008, 07:26:21 AM
Empire exhumer ganking.  :uhrr:

http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008 (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008)
Wowa. that's a lotta barges. What's the story behind that? They were all at war?

I'll have to see if I can find the post again, found it on the EvE boards.  Suicide ganks, I guess it only takes like 2 T1 fitted caracals to gank an exhumer before Concord shows up so it's very easy to keep in profit just from a few faction/t2/whatever miners.

Mostly boredom I think though.

*edit* http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713223 (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713223)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 26, 2008, 08:10:59 AM
I've never seen so many police drones, must have been like 180 at one gate, I forgot to paste the screenshot in paint though.

Screenshots are stored in My Documents i think by default.
What's the command to take a screen-shot? Just print-screen?

It is for me.

Thanks to the fact that I had also bound that to my TS channel I happily ended up with all the best moments of my early GF career in picture form (my first tackle, my first FCing etc), which I would never have remembered to do, otherwise.

Now middle mouse button is for the win.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 26, 2008, 08:12:18 AM
I am a believer in middle mouse as well.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on February 26, 2008, 08:22:30 AM
They ganked newb corp hulks. That's got to be boring mining.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on February 26, 2008, 08:26:17 AM
Empire exhumer ganking.  :uhrr:

http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008 (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=8&y=2008)
Wowa. that's a lotta barges. What's the story behind that? They were all at war?

I'll have to see if I can find the post again, found it on the EvE boards.  Suicide ganks, I guess it only takes like 2 T1 fitted caracals to gank an exhumer before Concord shows up so it's very easy to keep in profit just from a few faction/t2/whatever miners.

Mostly boredom I think though.

*edit* http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713223 (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713223)
Wow, that's a ton of hulks.  I wonder if this will lead to Exhumer defense buffs.  Considering you get a fraction of the money you spend on a Hulk back for insurance, this is some extreme griefing.  That costs the aggressors absolutely nothing at all to do this as well...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on February 26, 2008, 08:40:48 AM
I think it's awesome. People seem to think they are invincible in empire, and I applaud any measure that reminds people that idea is dead wrong.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 26, 2008, 08:42:27 AM
I think it's awesome. People seem to think they are invincible in empire, and I applaud any measure that reminds people that idea is dead wrong.

Until people just start suicide ganking new players in the starting systems for fun and no one else ever joins EvE again.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on February 26, 2008, 08:47:00 AM
Come on now, ganking hulks hiding in the newbie corp (so they can't be wardecc'd), ships that take 90 days minimum to pilot and more time than that to outfit, and who are probably macroing gold farmers is a far cry from popping newbies.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Moosehands on February 26, 2008, 08:54:56 AM
Every time someone has gotten really good/successful at Empire ganking CCP has changed the mechanics.  Another month or so of Jihadswarm and we can expect to see an increase in Concord aggression timers or a buff to exhumer tanks or something.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on February 26, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Come on now, ganking hulks hiding in the newbie corp (so they can't be wardecc'd), ships that take 90 days minimum to pilot and more time than that to outfit, and who are probably macroing gold farmers is a far cry from popping newbies.
You know, that makes me think we really need to try a bait operation one day.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on February 26, 2008, 09:19:10 AM
Come on now, ganking hulks hiding in the newbie corp (so they can't be wardecc'd), ships that take 90 days minimum to pilot and more time than that to outfit, and who are probably macroing gold farmers is a far cry from popping newbies.
Even then, I like to mine, and trained myself up to fly a Hulk.  I use it to mine high sec ore for fun and profit, and avoid the low sec areas which have much better ore.  I just do it solo, no apart of a big corp or alliance or anything.  Losing a hulk means I take over 100m loss (even after insurance).  With this method, anybody who wants to completely ruin my time in Eve can do so, with absolutely no loss to themselves, and no way for me to do anything to them.  If you really feel its good to make high sec unsafe, may as well just make the whole damn thing PvP+.  No CONCORD at all.  Now its unsafe for everybody, and maybe I can do something back to them!

But seriously, you can't make the game that griefable.  The game only survives due to the protection that high sec offers.  Start allowing the 1% to start ruining the gameplay for the rest, and everybody leaves.  The only targets who get suicide ganked normally are indy pilots, who only get ganked if they are hauling cargo so valuable that they have to be extremely rich anyways.  Hulks are probably the only other target you can find that you can inflict such a one sided ISK loss to (with way less risk/investment than indy ganking), and are easy to track down.  Hulks are something casual solo/small corp players can actually work up to, but can't afford to lose.

If this happened to me, that would pretty much be insta quit. 

With maybe a side order of building an orbital doom laser that would sink Iceland into the cold cold depths of the North Atlantic.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 26, 2008, 09:41:32 AM
Come on now, ganking hulks hiding in the newbie corp (so they can't be wardecc'd), ships that take 90 days minimum to pilot and more time than that to outfit, and who are probably macroing gold farmers is a far cry from popping newbies.
Even then, I like to mine, and trained myself up to fly a Hulk.  I use it to mine high sec ore for fun and profit, and avoid the low sec areas which have much better ore.  I just do it solo, no apart of a big corp or alliance or anything.  Losing a hulk means I take over 100m loss (even after insurance).  With this method, anybody who wants to completely ruin my time in Eve can do so, with absolutely no loss to themselves, and no way for me to do anything to them.  If you really feel its good to make high sec unsafe, may as well just make the whole damn thing PvP+.  No CONCORD at all.  Now its unsafe for everybody, and maybe I can do something back to them!

But seriously, you can't make the game that griefable.  The game only survives due to the protection that high sec offers.  Start allowing the 1% to start ruining the gameplay for the rest, and everybody leaves.  The only targets who get suicide ganked normally are indy pilots, who only get ganked if they are hauling cargo so valuable that they have to be extremely rich anyways.  Hulks are probably the only other target you can find that you can inflict such a one sided ISK loss to (with way less risk/investment than indy ganking), and are easy to track down.  Hulks are something casual solo/small corp players can actually work up to, but can't afford to lose.

If this happened to me, that would pretty much be insta quit. 

With maybe a side order of building an orbital doom laser that would sink Iceland into the cold cold depths of the North Atlantic.

The game only thrives due to the protection High sec provides. I have seen games with 1/10,000th of eve's subscriber base 'survive'. Just didn't like the way you worded that....

I personally don't like the tactic, just because they aren't doing it for profit, merely griefing. I did see a Gisti Small Shield Booster in there though.

Once again this tactic can easily be defeated by:

Warp core stabilizers and
Not being AFK
Running multiple ECMs in your mids and a burst, or Invulns/Kinetic hardeners
Running 5 Medium ECM drones
Using 1 low slot for a Damage control II (adding 60% resists to the 3100 structure, roughly 6000 HP) - I love how this game can allow one module, for around 1.5 million isk, save your precious ship...if you are smart enough to use it.
Not crying so much

Er wait, that was just you above.  See, people don't tank their ships because they are stupid/lazy/want to do something else better. Thats the chance you take.

An untanked hulk will take about 5,000 damage. A brutix, with my skills, does about 500-550 DPS with a 1314 alpha. If I were to be ECMed at any point in that suicide attempt, I'm going to fail. So Tele, take some precautions with your precious hulk and throw on some ECM drones, a DC II, and maybe some ECM in your mids. I guarentee they will never kill you. Hell, a DC II would probably stop 95% of the attempts listed on their killbaord.

EDIT: Also, you seem to be ok with Indy ganking...because it doesn't effect you. I bet some of those guys that have been ganked have quit. Same with the CNR fags. Fact is there are counters to every bad situation you have listed. Probably the most vulnerable, ironicaly, are the guys with their 3 billion isk CNRs. If a TRI op wants you dead and you are in the wrong place...your chance of survival is real fuckin slim.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Hoax on February 26, 2008, 10:55:34 AM
Hell don't even change your fitting, be less afk and align to something.

As Slayer pointed out there are too many ways to avoid being duo'd by caracals for the loss of 100mil for me to feel anything but glee that people are getting suicided, I'm against any kind of griefing that targets genuine newbies, people who just easy road the game for mindless profit getting blown up and having some risk put back in?  All for that. 

tl;dr?

l2p, cry more nub, etc.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on February 26, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
Fair points, Slayerik.  I would say that changing some of the fittings as you mentions isn't much of an option for High Sec miners because you need every percentage boost to your mining amount to be profitable (and I use all my drones to fight off rat spawns, so no ECM there).  And lets be realistic, paying attention to the screen at all times while barge mining (3 minutes between each load coming in) IS quite a bit to ask ;).  Its one thing if you are going low sec/0.0, its your risk then.  Keeping your eyes glued to the screen in high sec..... :(  It was pretty much designed by CCP to be half AFK'ed.  But yes, there is more you could be doing (and I'm sure after this, many will be) to help stop this.

But maybe you can help me understand this better.  I see they are ganking alot of people in .7 space.  That should have a decent response time, right (I can't find an exact number anywhere..)?  I also see alot of 2 cruiser ganks going on in these systems, against Hulks who even have some shield hardeners/extenders.  I know you have some insane DPS with your skills, yet you seem to be saying even with your suicide set up, it would be hard for you to do this.  So....how is it happening?  It does seem that they are throwing cruisers at them, and have to be killing them in a short time (which would sort of screw the player over anyways when trying to get out, since Hulks are very slow).

Anyways, even ignoring all that, I guess the way I look at it compared to Indy ganking is that your are ganking people in ships much much crappier than yours.  Those things cost a few million, and don't take that much in the way of SP to fly.  In that regards, it makes perfect sense for you in you BC to manage to blow them up before Concord comes.  Its a crappy ship, regardless of what valuable stuff they have put in it.  They also have other options.  They can spend the training time to get a Transport Ship which is alot harder to take down.  With my Hulk, I HAVE spent the days training to fly it.  It cost me as much as a Battleship (and I get a fraction of the Insurance back, unlike a BS).  I have put in the money and the training time for the best option, unlike the people your ganking.  But people in a few crappy cruisers can gank me fast, apparently.  At least make them have to throw BS's at me or something.  That would make more sense, and require a more equal amount of risk/reward to the aggressor.  Its a ship class well beyond what they are using to gank it, unlike Indy's.

And just to respond to your edit, I actually do kind of have a problem with the Indy ganking, but as I already said, I can rationalize that within the game mechanics.  I also don't see any difference as you do in the reason for ganking.  Suicide ganking is suicide ganking, if your doing it for profit or grief, if your doing it against a pro or a 1 day newb.  None of those are different to me.  The Hulk thing also doesn't really effect me since I only use it to mine out hidden asteroid belts now (which makes me alot harder to find, and avoids the ore thief's, and has better ore), and never go to general belts.  But I can symphasize with being in that position, and that would be a really shitty thing to have happen to you.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 26, 2008, 02:46:18 PM
Thanks for naming yet another way to avoid it... hidden belts.

But yeah, I understand what you are saying...and I wouldnt be opposed to a slight boost to hulk shields/armor/resist - Do you really need drones to kill .7 rats? I just figured they could be permatanked....

So basically, what I'm saying to any hulk pilots is fit a damage control II! You will not die to two cruisers. It takes a mining upgrade slot, I know, but you can go uber money making route or very good money making route with some tank.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: K9 on February 26, 2008, 03:22:34 PM
Why are so many of those Exhumers on that killboard using Civilian Shield Booster Is? (e.g. (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=147)) I'm hardly an Eve Expert, but that just seems... odd.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Merusk on February 26, 2008, 03:37:23 PM
Why are so many of those Exhumers on that killboard using Civilian Shield Booster Is? (e.g. (http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=147)) I'm hardly an Eve Expert, but that just seems... odd.



They're not buying modules, just fitting whatever shit drops off rats.  And in a .7 system only picking-up 'rat drops it IS shit.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Hoax on February 26, 2008, 04:54:28 PM
Yeah its basically because they are macro miner bullshit, not real players.

Actually I thought about it a second and I've decided its entirely possible that the fitting was stretched so thin that civvy stuff was the best that could be fit?

Still dont feel too terribly though.


Fair points, Slayerik.  I would say that changing some of the fittings as you mentions isn't much of an option for High Sec miners because you need every percentage boost to your mining amount to be profitable (and I use all my drones to fight off rat spawns, so no ECM there).

The bolded part is bs, to be profitable?  Mining is free money, esp when its afk, braindead, norisk mining.  How people figured they deserve that right is beyond me.  But thats like saying I can't equip a tank in missions because I need max damage to be profitable.  Sure hitting better isk/time ratios are ideal but its hardly an issue of viable levels of profit.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 28, 2008, 06:23:27 AM
"[posted in CAOD even if there is no Alliance for "Carebears" that I know of]

To GS, TRI and whoever else is ganking mission runners in Empire:

Seeing the recent development from the perspective of an after work gamer who *really* enjoys PvE and has *very* little time to do anything else, in the beginning I was just ****ed, but there is more to see and say about this.

Analysis: You beat other people up, because you want their riches and/ or "because you can", meaning it gives you "some kind of satisfaction" to act out your power over a group of lesser beings.

Sure, the facts that
a) they don't have someone to defend themselves (so you don't have to take risks) and
b) are "just carebears" (so you don't have to feel bad cause everyone know carebears are a minor, worthless, weak race) makes it pretty easy: You just count your ISK, knowing that can't be punished.
Plus, as Digital Communist has pointed out, maybe (after being ganked) the worthless maggots
c) may want to join you for protection, and you would of course happily recruit them, so
d) they can farm alliance ISK in 0.0, and if need be
e) you surely could "motivate" them into being PvP cannon fodder.

This behaviour is just all too human, but it makes me sick nonetheless. And satisfying it with "we just get at them because they have gotten rich on the backs of the working class" just tops it off...

Mark my words: This combination of greed, arrogance, selfishness and complete disregard of the well- being of other humans is the exact reason why we (the human race) **** up the REAL world RIGHT NOW. Child soldiers, relocated tribes in "reservates", genocide, pogroms, or, generally speaking, killing out of greed and jacking off in the process because it feels so great.

It just makes me puke.

I stopped reading papers and watching TV because I didn't want to be remembered constantly about how sick humanity really is; I wanted to forget the fact that we are like this, and now I can't even log into EVE without being reminded of what an utterly fascist scum race we are????

Thanks for reminding me though, have fun destroying the hard work as well as the pleasure of others. You have no honor, no dignity, no empathy.

*pukes*

"

Poor CNR fag.





Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 28, 2008, 06:31:43 AM
Wow, I need to go find that post and read the replys.

*edit* found it, for anyone else who wants to read the fun - http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=714837 (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=714837)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on February 28, 2008, 06:39:59 AM
I noticed Eve Insider (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) did an article on it.
Quote
goonswarm campaign reaffirms the dangers of empire space
reported by ISD Argooros Ployon | 2008.02.27 06:31:10 | NEW
Reports are coming in from asteroid fields all across Empire-controlled space that GoonSwarm Alliance is conducting a new campaign against Hulks. GoonSwarm's kill board for this campaign, (titled "Jihadswarm" in their signature style) indicates that some 66 Hulks have been killed along with a few industrial ships so far. Another 100 or so Hulks and Mackinaws have been reported as killed on their main board.

I sat down with GoonSwarm diplomat Vile Rat and Karttoon, the leader of the Jihadswarm faction, to talk to them about this. Karttoon unabashedly confirmed that "yes, we are engaging against any regular miner in Empire controlled space." He claimed that in the first five days of the campaign GoonSwarm had destroyed over 34 billion ISK of assets, and that in all some 250 ships have been destroyed thus far.

Vile Rat emphasized that this was not a campaign against new pod pilots, but against those who by now should be making it in lawless space with all of its dangers.

When asked whether or not GoonSwarm was doing this for personal gain in the Hulk market both denied this was the case. "For far too long," Vile Rat said, "the weak have lived under the protection of Concord's protective umbrella and have gotten rich off the backs of the working class."

When asked if GoonSwarm would be ransoming Hulks during this campaign Karttoon said, "We shall allow penance for the wealth hoarders to remain on our holy land." His comments seemed to suggest that GoonSwarm is claiming all of Empire controlled space as their own, if not materially then in some spiritual manner.

Calimor, a New Eden researcher, points out that GoonSwarm's campaign is affecting the black market where ISK is exchanged for black market currencies. "Although many innocents are being attacked, miners who work for outlaw corporations are feeling a huge hit." Prices on the black market have gone up 50% since GoonSwarm's campaign began.

The Ex-Band of Brothers spymaster Digital Communist, himself no stranger to the dark underbelly of New Eden, had his own theory as to what was driving the GoonSwarm campaign. He also referred to recent actions taken by Triumvirate. who have similarly been making life much harder for Empire-dwellers.

Whatever the underlying reasons may be, it is becoming increasingly clear that CONCORD's influence over the actions of capsuleers within supposedly "lawful" space is once again being challenged. The common perception that CONCORD-enforced space is safer for capsuleers than the frontier regions has long been considered something of a myth.

"There's a cyclical nature to CONCORD's power over the capsuleer class," remarked Amir Kevash, an Associate Professor of the new "Capsuleer Studies" department at Caille State University.

"[Pod pilots] will find a loophole, exploit it for personal gain or indeed, simple amusement. CONCORD will move to plug the gap as always. A few months later, as tactics and technologies evolve, a new workaround will be found and once again CONCORD will be on the back foot. From the Goons and the recent Black Ops jumpdrive fiasco to as far back as the now-infamous smartbombing of Yulai and earlier, there has always been a certain to-and-fro between the two groups."

Kevash remarked that with the recent problems CONCORD was already facing, they were likely already stretched too thin to deal with smaller issues in a timely fashion, leaving empire-bound capsuleers to fend for themselves for the time being, perhaps indefinitely.

"It's getting to the point where it's becoming flagrant. Podders are once again flaunting their disregard for the rule of law. Their methods are becoming as widely-spread in terms of knowledge as they are in terms of a shrugging acceptance amongst the populace. Take that egger vonHolst's recent holovid for example. Not only does it bring the issue to a huge audience, not only does it display the methodology, but it does so with an unmistakable sense of pride. It's yet another bump on CONCORD's increasingly rocky road."

Almost as if to confirm Kevash's statements, Vile Rat ended his comments by addressing empire-dwellers with the remarks: "You are on notice; we are coming for you." One thing is for sure--miners in Empire controlled space have a new danger to watch out for.

There is also this guy (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=708473) who's got an incredible video (http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0802/CareBear_Sorrows.mkv). He uses the wardec, so once they are fleeted with his alt, he brings in his main that's got a war on with the alt and kills the raven.
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[Video] “Carebear sorrows” ½ Trillion ISK In damage inflicted on the Care Bear community.

I think that may classify this movie as the true, “Most expensive non-capital ship movie ever”. Some of the shots in the video you can clearly see appoxamently 100B in mods from 2 of my major sales in the past.

So here it is... Those that know me know that I have been talking about making this video for ages. I had a decent amount of fraps footage when Lofty released his movie but I never really got around to making one (no time to learn Adobe Premier etc.). This week I deiced to just sit down and get the damn thing done in my spare time. This is my first try at making a movie so i hope you think it came out ok. Lofty, Bryg, Corn Meal, and Arrgg actually all used to bear gank out of an in-game chan for a while working out of different systems…. Good times!

Some highlights on the experience:

• Over 120B Isk earned in loot and ransom theft.
• Approx 500B in damage to level 4 mission runners (note the kill board totals are modded to include the module drops and values into the total damage inflicted. However the “Total number” is still largely off due to the fact that “dropped items” were not included from the old kill mail system =[).
• Over 100 documented faction battleship kills. (the real figure is closer to 130, as many kill mails were stolen by NPC’s, and self destructs). Many uber fit command ships and normal battleships, but I made the KB faction battleships only, just for fun.

I have been killing bears using this method for nearly 1 year, however I am a fairly inactive player. As my kill board will show, I generally play in spurts 1 month on then a take a few off (as the kill board will confirm). All in all I estimate the total damage inflicted took place in about 90 actual days of actual playtime.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on February 28, 2008, 06:40:08 AM
Hah, you'd think people would learn what a bad idea it is to make posts like that in the first place. :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 28, 2008, 06:45:59 AM
The shit I hate is, too much attention brought to my money making niche. I must go full bore until they nerf it :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 28, 2008, 07:16:01 AM
If anyone is interested, the Jihadswarm's inspirational prophet Misneden - may he die many happy suicidal deaths - posted these videos of his struggle with the infidel:

First, this one (http://koran.jihadswarm.com/misneden.avi), which predates Jihadswarm, from when he was a lonely voice in the wilderness, crying out against the unclean and punishing the wicked macro-heretics.

Then this one (http://koran.jihadswarm.com/misneden2.avi), where he crushes five of the unbelieving Mackinaw jackals with smartbombs.  Allahu Ackbar!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Moosehands on February 28, 2008, 10:34:28 AM
I think both of those link to the same file.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Der Helm on February 28, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
I'd like to know how many FBI/CIA/etc. agents are refreshing the jhihadswarm.com domain as I write this  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 29, 2008, 12:04:52 AM
I think both of those link to the same file.

You're right.  I fixed it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Vedi on February 29, 2008, 02:32:59 AM
Has anyone considered going after research POSes in lowsec as a piracyish strategy? Some POS modules, especially mobile labs, are worth some money to scoop, and most of those POSes aren't well defended. Might take a couple of dreads to do efficiently though. Perhaps not worth the effort?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 29, 2008, 02:47:43 AM
Can't unanchor them even after destroying the tower unless you're in the corp with the proper permissions (and if you've gotten a mole in, no need to destroy anything).  If you destroy the module, the BPC/BPO will pop out, I think.  But people don't generally put the really good ones in a POS.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on February 29, 2008, 07:19:44 AM
Can't unanchor them even after destroying the tower unless you're in the corp with the proper permissions (and if you've gotten a mole in, no need to destroy anything).  If you destroy the module, the BPC/BPO will pop out, I think.  But people don't generally put the really good ones in a POS.

--Dave

You sure that's still true, or am I misunderstading you?  Since trinity it's possible to blow up a tower and scoop the mods, since Bob have been very kindly donating to our wardrive.

I don't know about what happends with BPOs in the module - I think there is a chance it will drop and a chance that it won't.  Someone would have to try it out a bunch of times on Sisi and I'm not spending that time on it, for sure.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 29, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Can't unanchor them even after destroying the tower unless you're in the corp with the proper permissions (and if you've gotten a mole in, no need to destroy anything).  If you destroy the module, the BPC/BPO will pop out, I think.  But people don't generally put the really good ones in a POS.

--Dave

You sure that's still true, or am I misunderstading you?  Since trinity it's possible to blow up a tower and scoop the mods, since Bob have been very kindly donating to our wardrive.

I don't know about what happends with BPOs in the module - I think there is a chance it will drop and a chance that it won't.  Someone would have to try it out a bunch of times on Sisi and I'm not spending that time on it, for sure.
They must have changed it.  I haven't done POS war since Trinity, I know there was a huge problem with some alliances anchoring 50+ cruise missile batteries and such so that it was a huge PITA to clear the moon, sounds like this might have been intended to counter that.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: nurtsi on March 03, 2008, 01:05:34 AM
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There is also this guy who's got an incredible video. He uses the wardec, so once they are fleeted with his alt, he brings in his main that's got a war on with the alt and kills the raven.

OK, so did I get this right:

The guy has several alts that he uses to get into fleets with mission runners. Then he has his evil main dude who is in war with his own alts. Once the target enters a mission our evil pirate brings in his main and kills the target (with the help of his 'bait' character).

Doesn't it warn that "You are about to gang up with a person who has active wardecs on them, you can be shot at" or something when you join a fleet? At least I remember getting that sometimes. That should ring some bells.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 03, 2008, 02:07:41 AM
Yeah, it does, but it could be explained away fairly easily if a) you're sharp and b) they aren't.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 03, 2008, 08:24:45 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=202

God, that felt fucking good. This shit is like crack.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on March 03, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
Yum - nice kill!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: schild on March 03, 2008, 11:29:54 PM
I commented!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 04, 2008, 05:35:48 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=202

God, that felt fucking good. This shit is like crack.

Atta boy! Nice one.

Now your cherry is truly popped.

Since you used my hauler I get 50% , right ? ;)


EDIT: Also, I think the best part is you just got 6 Arby Cruises for your Raven, like we were talking about last night. lol


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 04, 2008, 05:52:07 AM
So yesterday, I'm ganking in my usual area...And some random dude sees me lock him up and like a tough guy he calls out. "Yeah, go ahead and shoot bitch". I scan him, see that he's empty and ignore him. This is not an unusual occurance, people somehow take offence to being locked up I guess.

Roughly an hour passes, and I have switched gates. An Executioner (fast frigate, no tank) warps in at 15, def on autopilot...I scan him and see a Fenrir Blueprint. I instapop him about 7km from the gate (and just barely outrace a vulture to the kill). It turns out to be the same little local smacker. He convoes me about 5 minutes later, after his shit I suppose. I offer to sell it back to him at a reasonable price (250 mil). He takes offence. I laugh and start fitting another ship. Lesson to be learned here is, don't talk shit if you are a fuckin' idiot - you will get burned.

http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=109765

Bummer it wasn't a BPO, I'd be buying rounds tonight.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 04, 2008, 06:17:55 AM
The guy in the Executioner is an idiot.  Afk hauling 1.6 bn?

The industrial ships need more powergrid, it's one thing if they have the option to fit a tank that can survive an alpha strike and just don't and another if they really have no viable defense.  Though again, if you're hauling 250 mil you should consider not being AFK.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on March 04, 2008, 06:42:14 AM
They don't want to give the indys enough powergrid for a microwarp drive. That's deliberate.

The larger indys can survive even on autopilot, I think slayerik'd have a hard time taking down my mammoth.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 04, 2008, 07:28:35 AM
They don't want to give the indys enough powergrid for a microwarp drive. That's deliberate.

The larger indys can survive even on autopilot, I think slayerik'd have a hard time taking down my mammoth.

I would melt your AFK mammoth. Trust me on that. :) Now if you super tanked it, with damage control and were actually there. You'd have a shot. I do around 9k damage before concord shows up. With my overloaded guns ... more like 10k

Your problem is, even with perfect skills you have like 480 shields. my Alpha is like 1200. Even with solid resists im into your horribly resisted armor, then structure... Really . Fast.

99% of haulers, especially AFK ones, have Overdrives, Inertias, Warp Core Stabs, or Expanded Cargohold (thus removing even more structure). I have yet to see one with a damage control (that I recall anyways).

I have never failed on a Mammoth kill. Must defend my AFK suiciding honor!!!!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 04, 2008, 07:38:35 AM
The guy in the Executioner is an idiot.  Afk hauling 1.6 bn?

The industrial ships need more powergrid, it's one thing if they have the option to fit a tank that can survive an alpha strike and just don't and another if they really have no viable defense.  Though again, if you're hauling 250 mil you should consider not being AFK.

That BP wasnt 1.6 bil, it was 250mil (it was  A BPC)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on March 04, 2008, 11:31:34 AM
Your problem is, even with perfect skills you have like 480 shields. my Alpha is like 1200. Even with solid resists im into your horribly resisted armor, then structure... Really . Fast.

....

I have never failed on a Mammoth kill. Must defend my AFK suiciding honor!!!!
Man you love your damage controls don't you? Damage control doesn't work very well for shields, I never fit it. Maybe you're thinking of something that isn't the mammoth; I have a hell of a lot more than 480 shields.

I fly with 3 MSE IIs and 2 passive resist amp IIs (kenetic, EM) (+4 cargo expander IIs) and I'm showing 4072 shields, 1258k armor and 577 structure, 43/20/66/60 for EM/TH/KI/EX shields. I'm not sure what type of damage you do, but I'm hovering right around 10k effective depending on damage... you might be able to pop me, MAYBE, but you've got maxed skills -- someone like nerf (or myself, for that matter) doesn't have a chance in hell.

Of course, it's moot, since I don't autopilot with anything more than 100m in my hold, and rarely then.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on March 04, 2008, 12:01:07 PM
Damage Contols are good for an armor tanker -- the shield equivalant would be invunerability field (which is better, really, for shields -- but takes more cap to run). DC is really good for when you're hitting hull, because it adds the most to hull resists -- gives you a bit more time to get the hell out of there.

As an armor-tanker, I love it. As a industrial pilot, I couldn't see using it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 04, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
Your problem is, even with perfect skills you have like 480 shields. my Alpha is like 1200. Even with solid resists im into your horribly resisted armor, then structure... Really . Fast.

....

I have never failed on a Mammoth kill. Must defend my AFK suiciding honor!!!!
Man you love your damage controls don't you? Damage control doesn't work very well for shields, I never fit it. Maybe you're thinking of something that isn't the mammoth; I have a hell of a lot more than 480 shields.

I fly with 3 MSE IIs and 2 passive resist amp IIs (kenetic, EM) (+4 cargo expander IIs) and I'm showing 4072 shields, 1258k armor and 577 structure, 43/20/66/60 for EM/TH/KI/EX shields. I'm not sure what type of damage you do, but I'm hovering right around 10k effective depending on damage... you might be able to pop me, MAYBE, but you've got maxed skills -- someone like nerf (or myself, for that matter) doesn't have a chance in hell.

Of course, it's moot, since I don't autopilot with anything more than 100m in my hold, and rarely then.

haha whoops, theorycraft fails when you wipe out your Level V all guy with level 0  :) I could definetely see survival being possible...no afterburner though? I guess if you are just using it to warp around to zero there is no need, but I have one on most of my setups. Its nice to race to wrecks with if you happen to see some shady Slay business going down :P  The reason i mention DCs so much is, if you have 1300 structure at 60% resists...its a hell of a lot tougher to pop a guy than without them. They also had to all armor and shield resists (though not by a ton). They are an awesome mod, but im sure im just preachin to the choir.

The mammoth is a pretty nice boat though, with all those slots.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 04, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
DC II is an awesome little addition to any tank.  60% all Hull resists, +15% all armor resists, +12.5 all shield resists.  What's really awesome about it?  It doesn't have the stacking penalty, it always applies it's full resist amount regardless of number of items you have affecting that resist.

For the first or second invuln field sure, those are obviously better.  But what about the 3rd?  I'll wouldn't be surprised if you get more out of a DC II as the fourth resist mod than anything else (4th mod is penalized by ~80%).


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on March 04, 2008, 02:13:09 PM
DC II is an awesome little addition to any tank.  60% all Hull resists, +15% all armor resists, +12.5 all shield resists.  What's really awesome about it?  It doesn't have the stacking penalty, it always applies it's full resist amount regardless of number of items you have affecting that resist.

For the first or second invuln field sure, those are obviously better.  But what about the 3rd?  I'll wouldn't be surprised if you get more out of a DC II as the fourth resist mod than anything else (4th mod is penalized by ~80%).
How do they determine order for resists? My myrmidion is carrying DC2, 2xEANM2, and a rig that adds a ton to armor explosive resistance. How do I tell how that's all calculated? Just futz with EFT?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on March 04, 2008, 02:36:38 PM
It doesn't have the stacking penalty, it always applies it's full resist amount regardless of number of items you have affecting that resist.
You are so wrong. Look in eft, confirm in game. I get 12% resist on a DCII for EM shield, when I put a resist amp with it, it only adds 6.8%. That is the major reason why you don't fit a DC for shield tanking; the amount of bonus it gives minus the stacking penalty doesn't make it worth it.

RE: Slayerik, the problem with damage control on haulers is that you have to turn it on. After. Every. Jump. I don't fit an AB on my hauler for the same reason; either I'm there and I'm warping to 0, or I'm tabbed out and not available to turn it on after every jump. If I'm there to micro my modules, I'll be warping to 0 instead.

And no, I don't tend to stick around when shady shit is going down, not in my mammoth. My alt's badger II is another matter, however.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 04, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
It doesn't have the stacking penalty, it always applies it's full resist amount regardless of number of items you have affecting that resist.
You are so wrong.

Nope.   It still apllies as a % of what's remaining but it does it's whole amount.  If you have 20 points of resist left and you activate the DC II for 15% it will move your resists from 80% to 83%.

There is a stacking penalty for some mods (such as resist mods) in addition to the normal % of a % mechanic.  1st item is 100% of it's stated value, second item is at 88% third item is around 44%, 4th item is something like 22% and etc...  This includes things like resist rigs stacked with active hardners stacked with passive hardners.  DC always gives it's full amount (albeit as a % of the % of what's left).


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: dwindlehop on March 04, 2008, 03:24:38 PM
Murgos is right. The stacking penalty for multiple mods affecting the same stat does not apply to damage controls.

In most cases, a damage control is the single module which increases your total effective HP the most (and thus increases your time to destruction the most). Even in situations with an oversized plate or extender offering more EHP, it's always easier to fit the DC.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 04, 2008, 06:31:41 PM

Quote
How do they determine order for resists? My myrmidion is carrying DC2, 2xEANM2, and a rig that adds a ton to armor explosive resistance. How do I tell how that's all calculated? Just futz with EFT?

It's uh, pretty math intensive:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=255750&page=1

Basically, largest mod gets applied first and then the rest with a penalty built in.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 04, 2008, 07:03:18 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=204

Motherfucking piece of shit buggy ass game.  I was the first to the wreck, noone else was around, and about 80% of the shit listed just wasnt fucking there. No blueprints, no damage control iis, no heavy nos, just 2-300mil of datacores and some other shit.

I'm fucking pissed.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Llyse on March 04, 2008, 08:45:06 PM
Nerf, do you mind posting your setup?

You're using Faction missiles for the extra alpha strike right?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 05, 2008, 12:09:12 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=205

Values a bit skewed, shit that went pop was worth about 330mil ):


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on March 05, 2008, 02:07:09 AM
Sounds like good scores, but if you fancy this as a career the Aegis Militia thing won't work: they're anti-pirate, like all of Providence, so this would be an obstacle to entry (Horazon, who reads these boards and is head of Aegis Militia, has already convoed me about this!)

If it's any consolation, there are plenty of fights to be had if you want them in 0.0, and making money is a lot easier in 0.0, but suicide ganking would get us chucked out of Provi and set to red.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on March 05, 2008, 03:47:53 AM
Just so this is clear. If we become part of aegis there can be no pirating anywhere. No suicide ganks in high sec, no roaming action in low sec or 0.0 (outside providence), no hostile action against neutrals anywhere?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on March 05, 2008, 03:53:57 AM
Just so this is clear. If we become part of aegis there can be no pirating anywhere. No suicide ganks in high sec, no roaming action in low sec or 0.0 (outside providence), no hostile action against neutrals anywhere?

No, the sort of thing we did on Saturday is fine.  But piracy (can-flipping and suicide ganking) wouldn't fit in.

There is a debate about how to handle neutrals away from Providence, but Horazon was pretty clear in Delve that we were on hostile ground and were free to defend ourselves against all-comers.  Our scout was a hardcore roleplayer and wanted us not to shoot unless shot at first, but even when we stuck to that for his sake we still had great fun and got lots of kills.

My argument is that we have 300 slots for standings, and there are thousands of pirate corps in Eve, so we can't possibly cover even a fraction of them.  So if a gang I am leading goes to enemy territory then if we see pirates or hostiles we shoot them.  And considering that our scout was Torenc, the guy with the most kills in Aegis Militia, it's really not constraining in real terms: if you want to shoot stuff it is only 20 minutes to places packed with reds to shoot.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on March 05, 2008, 03:58:01 AM
Sounds good.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Horazon on March 05, 2008, 04:03:38 AM
 The Aegis Militia is an Amarrian Roleplay NRDS entity, that means we dont shoot neutrals anywhere in the galaxy unless they fire first or they publicly declare themselves against the Holy Empire of Amarr.
 By becoming a member of the Aegis Militia, you become a defender of the Amarr Empire and its rules, so no piracy on neutrals, no suicide ganking on neutrals etc..

 However we have enough red and ennemies to easily find targets when we want to, AAA, UNL, IRON, Red Alliance & co roam our space on a daily basis, Ushra Khan & Star Fraction camping our pipes with nangogangs, our own wars etc...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on March 05, 2008, 04:16:33 AM
The advantage of the RP wardecs we sometimes do is that the enemies usually want to come out and have fights, so you get action.  I can't go into details, but we are considering something along those lines for soonish, which should be fun and right up BC's street.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 05, 2008, 05:19:50 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=204

Motherfucking piece of shit buggy ass game.  I was the first to the wreck, noone else was around, and about 80% of the shit listed just wasnt fucking there. No blueprints, no damage control iis, no heavy nos, just 2-300mil of datacores and some other shit.

I'm fucking pissed.

Dude. Sometimes if it was stored in giant containers, it chucks one outside the wreck! Make sure on every kill you "Scoop to Cargo hold" any of these that are right next to your new wreck. I made this mistake before....I forgot to warn you about it. That makes sense as to why so much of it survived. On the flip side, if the can would have been blown up, then all the stuff it it would have too. It seems you got lucky on the pops, but didnt know it was sitting outside the wreck. Someone got fuckin paid. Sorry :(


And for the Aegis guys, I am Triumvirate and red already so dont worry about me :)



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 05, 2008, 05:28:13 AM
Nerf, do you mind posting your setup?

You're using Faction missiles for the extra alpha strike right?

Of course he is :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 06, 2008, 11:05:18 PM

Aaaaand I'm done for awhile.

You guys are fucking carebears.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on March 07, 2008, 05:35:24 AM
You be careful, you hear?  Tuck the entirety of that e-peen in your capsule before it closes around you.  Wouldn't want to have an accident.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: spotd666 on March 07, 2008, 09:17:02 AM

You guys are fucking carebears.

Am not...

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg135/xaana-pics/Top.jpg)


 :hello_kitty_2:  Top Scorer....yay \o/


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 07, 2008, 09:20:42 AM

You guys are fucking carebears.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but, srsly, training up skills for a big alpha strike, having a hauler and alternating between pushing 'target' and 'scan' for hours at a time as AFK haulers meander past you is not some indication of hardcore ability.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on March 07, 2008, 10:27:01 AM
You guys are fucking carebears.

I got a good laugh. 


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 07, 2008, 12:59:26 PM

You guys are fucking carebears.

I'm pretty sure you're joking but, srsly, training up skills for a big alpha strike, having a hauler and alternating between pushing 'target' and 'scan' for hours at a time as AFK haulers meander past you is not some indication of hardcore ability.

QFT.

It's just a sign of intelligence. :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on March 07, 2008, 05:13:28 PM
Aaaaand I'm done for awhile.

You guys are fucking carebears.

Harsh, brosef.  I've obviously not done my backdated kills, but my three characters on the KB have, between them,

Carrier - 2
Battleship - 24
Battlecruiser - 6
Heavy Assault Cruiser - 2
Heavy Interdictor - 2
Interdictor - 2
Cruiser - 3
Frigate - 0?!?
Assault Frigate - 2
Interceptor - 1
Industrial - 1
Mining Barge - 2
Capsule - 4


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 07, 2008, 05:50:37 PM
I winzor! I suicide gank AND I PVP

Whats up now fooz?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on March 07, 2008, 07:33:50 PM
I winzor! I suicide gank AND I PVP

Whats up now fooz?
I hire mercs to drive corps that piss me off into extinction.  Guns are for pussies, big stacks of isk *crush*.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on March 07, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
I still think an alt corp of newbies in Frigs/cruisers would be a lot of fun to suicide gank with and be rep/standing free...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on March 08, 2008, 07:28:55 AM
I hire mercs to drive corps that piss me off into extinction.  Guns are for pussies, big stacks of isk *crush*.

--Dave
You start playing again?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on March 08, 2008, 03:47:33 PM
Not really.  I log my trading alts in once every couple of weeks or so to tend my buy/sell orders and move modules AFK.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on March 08, 2008, 03:48:48 PM
You can't quit Eve.

Only moderate it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: LC on March 11, 2008, 08:28:03 PM
CNRs are better:

http://kb.snra.us/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=389


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 11, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
No hate intended, but the TRI boys popped like 15-20 CNRs a couple weekends ago. :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 11, 2008, 09:01:13 PM
STOP MAKING ME WANT TO GO BLOW PEOPLE UP


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: LC on March 11, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
No hate intended, but the TRI boys popped like 15-20 CNRs a couple weekends ago. :)

If you are trying to say they were the first ones to think of this then you would be wrong. They did get some really nice kills though.

Right now we are stalking a CNR worth over 15bil.


P.S. This guy convoed me after getting ganked and asked for his mission item...


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 12, 2008, 05:31:42 AM
They were the first to my knowledge to do it in such a large scale and create massive carebear tears on the forums.

Either way, I freakin love it.


So you got the 15 bil isk raven?? What dropped?!?!?!?!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: LC on March 12, 2008, 07:47:28 AM
They were the first to my knowledge to do it in such a large scale and create massive carebear tears on the forums.

Either way, I freakin love it.


So you got the 15 bil isk raven?? What dropped?!?!?!?!

That's probably true. I know I saw some videos of it done before, but not on a large scale.

The 15+ bil isk raven is a guy who only plays a few times per week. We have never seen him accept an out of system mission before. We will get him eventually.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 17, 2008, 11:10:29 AM
I'm looking for high damage guys for a freighter run, US timezone for weekday / any timezone for a weekend gank.

Preferred skills are

Battleship 4/5
Tech II Large Weapon Systems
Overloading
Ability to follow direction

Will be a straight ISK split between 10 people. Ship costs are the responsibilty of ganker. Please contact me with any questions, I will not accept requests from new or non-proven F13 guys. I may not need a ton of guys, please send me a very brief overview of what you would bring. Thanks,





Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 23, 2008, 11:54:32 PM
So I've had like 7 or 8 ganks without a decent score..in a row.  I had 3 or 4 failed ganks tonight, teamed up with another guy and got a mastodon into a hull (Why the fuck did we attack a mastodon, jesus christ those resists are fucking evil), solo had a tanked itty 5 with 10% hull left walk away as concord arrived, a bunch of other nonsense.  Add on to that the ganks where someone other than me actually blows up have all been pretty fucking worthless.

Am I going to give up though? Fuck no, as long as I've got security status, no hisec hauler will be safe!

Keep the faith brothers.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 24, 2008, 05:06:55 AM
Thorax takes out Viator in .6   - http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=117584

Soloed a Kinetic tanked Mastodon - http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=114431


Yes, I am still ze master :) (and don't try this at home, kids)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 24, 2008, 09:26:08 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278

*glee*

Also, if you want me to stop using the killboard just let me know viin, I figured it wasn't too big of a deal as I wasn't affecting BAT/F13 stats.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Hoax on March 25, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
We should prob put nerf in a special section that you need a password to see.  Just to be on the safe side.  That way he can link us to them and we can see them but people looking to start drama can't.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on March 25, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
Nah, it's fine. If it comes up, then I'll just say it's an open KB .. just because you post on a kb doesn't mean we helped them do the kill. :P


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 27, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
For those of you not online when I recount every single kill (and phat lewtz) in glorious detail.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=279
   - In a SIGIL? Really? Convod him after, he said he knew he was going to get popped in it, but it hadn't happened yet and he liked how shiny and cool it looked.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=280
   - Invulns and boosters don't help much when you're AFK.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=288
   - Another genius afk in a cruiser, I fucking LOVE these guys.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=291
    - This killboard software has a serious issue with cargo containers, it'll only count one ):  Also dropped was 5,000 morphite, and enough salvage to make like 6 armor rigs, load of t2 crafting components (for missiles i think, not really sure)

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=292
    - If this guy had bothered to fit a few of those 120 shield extender ii's he was carrying, his death might not have been so quick and comical.  (Although he still would've died)




Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 27, 2008, 03:26:35 PM
Ok, pay up bitch :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 27, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
But...I's po'!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 27, 2008, 07:27:17 PM

[02:49:24] Sa vall > u ass holes
[02:50:38] Sa vall > u g** damn suiced gank assholes
[02:51:05] Coleman Strykr > language language?
[02:51:09] Kaminoan > Neva !
[02:51:46] Zudari > HAHAHA ♥
[02:52:03] s3v3n7 > Now now!
[02:54:04] Sa vall > omg i hate u people
[02:54:17] Aki Hoshino > Hey man, it'll be alright
[02:54:34] s3v3n7 > That sucks mate
[02:54:43] Sa vall > dude u have no idea
[02:57:04] Sa vall > i feel like crying almost
[02:57:19] Sa vall > no ilook like a pussy
[02:57:23] Sa vall > my god im so mad
[02:57:32] Sa vall > bullshit exploit
[02:57:42] XPMB > lol
[02:57:44] s3v3n7 > Its no exploit
[02:57:53] Sa vall > ok then
[02:58:00] s3v3n7 > Dont use a T1 hauler for your ventures, and fit WCS
[02:58:04] Sa vall > i hope you guys my shit wise ly
[02:58:06] s3v3n7 > and also, make multiple trips
[02:58:13] Sa vall > i will now
[02:58:22] Zudari > Disclamer: No exploits were used in the ganking of this hauler
[02:58:22] Sa vall > i learned a lesson



http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=119602


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Calantus on March 27, 2008, 08:10:31 PM
If I don't autopilot is it safe for me to bring a T1 hauler full of stuffs (scavenged parts, not even sure how much it's worth) into Jita?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on March 27, 2008, 08:44:44 PM
Not Anymore!  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on March 28, 2008, 12:25:32 AM
Quote
[02:58:00] s3v3n7 > Dont use a T1 hauler for your ventures, and fit WCS
Does this mean he wasn't afk and you killed him after he jumped through a gate and was busy aligning?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on March 28, 2008, 02:02:21 AM
lol ka-tet


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on March 28, 2008, 05:21:21 AM
If I don't autopilot is it safe for me to bring a T1 hauler full of stuffs (scavenged parts, not even sure how much it's worth) into Jita?

You better find out how much the stuff is worth.  T1 hauler can be insta-popped by a BC, so don't haul more than 40 mil per trip.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 28, 2008, 05:29:31 AM
Don't freak the guy out too much. If you arent afk I would feel secure moving up to 200mil in a hauler per load.

New advice....just move shit in battleships :)

And I personally dont target less than 100 mil on AFK guys, anything less is not really worth cost and security status hit. Most of my fellow gankers seem to follow the same (or higher) guidelines.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on March 28, 2008, 11:00:31 AM
How often do you get people after they just came THROUGH a gate while they're aligning?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: K9 on March 28, 2008, 11:10:04 AM
Aren't ships exiting gates cloaked, or something? Or is that just a pretty effect on my screen.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on March 28, 2008, 11:11:27 AM
Here's a totally hypothetical question: If someone where to, say, roll up an alt with the bare minimum skills for suicide ganking -- would anyone need help? This purely hypothetical alt wouldn't have a hauler, so loot splits would have to be discussed.

Totally hypothetically. For reference.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on March 28, 2008, 11:31:10 AM
K9, you stay cloaked for 30 seconds or until you begin moving.  In slower ships, this is enough time for you to be locked and for someone to get a point on you.  I've been gate-camped this way a handful of times.  However, I was wondering if it was viable for suiciding since it only gives you a few seconds to get the scan and the point off.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 28, 2008, 12:04:55 PM
K9, you stay cloaked for 30 seconds or until you begin moving.  In slower ships, this is enough time for you to be locked and for someone to get a point on you.  I've been gate-camped this way a handful of times.  However, I was wondering if it was viable for suiciding since it only gives you a few seconds to get the scan and the point off.

TBH, I came up with a new system.

I can never kill you in a transport ship. So don't haul 200mil plus without it. If you are at your keyboard you are safe 99% of the time no matter what. Suicide gankers prey upon the lazy and afk and stupid. I pray on the rich and stupid.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Akkori on March 28, 2008, 05:33:13 PM
Once your security gets to negative 5 or 10 or whatever... isn't that it? Can't get no worse?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on March 28, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
Can't get below -10 security, but you're free-for-all at -5, and you can't enter 1.0 systems (without being blown up by NPC's) at -2, 0.9 at -2.5, and so on.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 05, 2008, 07:31:23 PM
[02:33:40] s3v3n7 > lo
[02:33:52] 521 1314 > Where are you kill me?
[02:34:07] 521 1314 > How likely.
[02:34:13] 521 1314 > 0.9..
[02:34:28] 521 1314 > Oh. . My days
[02:34:42] s3v3n7 > ya empire just isnt as safe as it used to be
[02:35:25] 521 1314 > Why do you have to kill me?
[02:35:48] s3v3n7 > you had over 100 mil in cargo
[02:36:05] 521 1314 > I now EVE no confidence. . . 0.9 you can kill me. . .
[02:36:23] s3v3n7 > Not if you arent AFK
[02:36:31] s3v3n7 > AFK is bad ... Mmmmk
[02:37:58] 521 1314 > Goods can be returned to me?
[02:38:53] s3v3n7 > Hmmm
[02:39:25] s3v3n7 > Nope sorry, got kids to feed
[02:39:38] 521 1314 > It is very important I
[02:40:00] s3v3n7 > Yeah, well so are my kids
[02:40:05] 521 1314 > Crying:((((
[02:40:50] 521 1314 > You take my goods back to me.  :((
[02:40:55] s3v3n7 > You can always shoot people like I do!
[02:42:12] 521 1314 > Why did you not return my things. . . Those things are me. .
[02:42:30] 521 1314 > It does not belong to you
[02:42:39] s3v3n7 > Not anymore. I took them from you. Eve is not a game for carebears.
[02:43:54] s3v3n7 > I recommend you do not travel AFK with such important cargo
[02:44:18] 521 1314 > Yes. . . EVE a game. . . But you do not observe the rules of the game
[02:44:35] s3v3n7 > What part of the rules state that .9 is safe?
[02:45:28] 521 1314 > Yes. . . 0.9 security you can kill me. .
[02:45:56] 521 1314 > My days. . .
[02:46:47] 521 1314 > 0.9 security police are rubbish. .
[02:47:34] s3v3n7 > Indeed
[02:48:16] 521 1314 > I can be back to the things I?
[02:48:58] 521 1314 > Or give more compensation...
[02:51:45] 521 1314 > lo/......
[02:53:19] 521 1314 > Shameful people fuck you ass
[02:53:35] s3v3n7 > Be nice
[02:53:45] s3v3n7 > Its your own stupid fault
[02:54:43] 521 1314 > Security 0.9
[02:55:00] s3v3n7 > like i said
[02:55:02] s3v3n7 > not safe
[02:55:07] s3v3n7 > cause I own your face
[02:56:19] 521 1314 > ISK 20 million. . . To me how. ?
[02:56:40] 521 1314 > Compensation I
[02:57:44] s3v3n7 > What part of No dont you understand?
[02:58:28] s3v3n7 > Life lessons...I should be charging you
[02:58:31] s3v3n7 > 20 mil
[02:58:49] s3v3n7 > Next time you coulda lost 300 mil
[02:59:09] 521 1314 > fuck...I goods. .
[03:00:15] 521 1314 > EVE, there you that kind of person. . . Really ashamed to EVE
[03:02:44] 521 1314 > Goodbye. . . Do not let me see you after such a person. . . I feel nausea


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on April 05, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
That borders on epic Slay.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on April 05, 2008, 08:12:02 PM
I bet his sweatshop owner beat him soundly....


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: caladein on April 05, 2008, 08:21:17 PM
It's just so succinct, so profound.

Quote
[02:55:00] s3v3n7 > like i said
[02:55:02] s3v3n7 > not safe
[02:55:07] s3v3n7 > cause I own your face

:drill:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Llyse on April 06, 2008, 05:08:36 PM
I like the nausea part, not just anyone sweatshop worker knows how to spell that right.

heck Halleon has trouble spelling Alison  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 06, 2008, 05:32:11 PM
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/edog420420/lawl2.jpg)


Props to Nerf on spotting this one, luck to us for having what it takes to down an Occator :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on April 06, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Props to Nerf on spotting this one, luck to us for having what it takes to down an Occator :)

I'm in the wrong business.  :ye_gods:

Although I did get to watch two True Sansha BS go pop today.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Llyse on April 06, 2008, 05:46:18 PM
That must be close to a billion....  :ye_gods:

We're definitely in the wrong business


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 06, 2008, 06:57:50 PM
TBH, it looks prettier than it was


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on April 07, 2008, 12:10:34 AM
After a day of many shenanigans and much fun (the 3 brutix deaths across 3 systems for a single t1 hauler was brilliant), but not *great* loot, I decided I'd camp by myself for a bit and see if anything turned up.

http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=123599

To be fair, it looks alot nicer than it is.  Yes, he was afk.  No, it wasn't in prov, I just don't want you fucking bastards knowing where I gank!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 07, 2008, 05:01:33 AM
Nice man.

We should just stop posting this stuff, we only encourage competition really.

Though we do love our bragging!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on April 07, 2008, 11:20:17 AM
Competition be damned, my E-Peen is HUUUGE!   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on April 22, 2008, 10:22:32 PM

This was actually the smaller, by a factor of about 20, of the two that got away tonight.

I'm quitting eve.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Der Helm on April 22, 2008, 11:03:40 PM
Can I have your stuff ?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 24, 2008, 10:16:01 AM
dude...how did you let that escape?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 08, 2008, 06:04:01 PM
Finally hit a semi 'motherload' kill

The left side BPOs are ALL researched, from the cap bay one alone thats like a billion puls the Drake, Mrymi, Dragonfly and templar make it an easy 2 bill alone...


BPOs

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/edog420420/20080509013950.jpg)

BPCs and datacores

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/edog420420/20080509013657.jpg)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on May 08, 2008, 06:33:33 PM
WOW - someone is feeling really really really bad today.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Kitsune on May 08, 2008, 07:00:18 PM
I want an Ishtar.  But I have no manufacturing skills.  Alas.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WindupAtheist on May 09, 2008, 04:39:12 AM
"Shameful people fuck you ass"

I LOL'd.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on May 09, 2008, 07:10:02 AM
Ouch, that'd make me quit.  :pedobear:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on May 09, 2008, 07:15:07 AM
Do I see some chat in the bottom right of the second screenshot that is the guy asking you to give some of it back?  :oh_i_see:

Also...how is that a "semi" motherload?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on May 09, 2008, 07:17:15 AM
You'd be surprised at how many people ask for it back.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on May 09, 2008, 07:40:06 AM
You'd be surprised at how many people ask for it back.

That doesn't suprise me too much, I'd be more interested to find out how many people actually petition it and try to get CCP to ban you for killing in high sec and return their stuff.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on May 09, 2008, 07:44:21 AM

That doesn't suprise me too much, I'd be more interested to find out how many people actually petition it and try to get CCP to ban you for killing in high sec and return their stuff.

This is why CSR costs are higher in full PvP games.  Turns out it takes a lot of money to pay someone to hit DELETE, DELETE, DELETE all day.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on May 09, 2008, 07:45:09 AM
Also...how is that a "semi" motherload?

It's a semi-motherload because in today's economy, a full motherload would be something in the 100 billion range.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Hakeldaima on May 09, 2008, 08:28:44 AM
Was he moving that in an indy?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 09, 2008, 10:04:40 AM
You know, BAT or F13 might see about acquiring some of Slayer's new stuff. There's some damn useful BPOs and BPC's there.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on May 09, 2008, 10:40:20 AM
I've already worked out a deal for a few of the Gallente BPOs.  More than happy to run a few copies off for you guys or start a production run of vexors if you guys are willing to fund the materials.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on May 09, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
If we do a medium POS we could get a research lab setup for some easy easy copy/research..


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 09, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
I've already worked out a deal for a few of the Gallente BPOs.  More than happy to run a few copies off for you guys or start a production run of vexors if you guys are willing to fund the materials.
Offhand -- Vex and Domi's will probably come in handy. Helios and Iterons IVs, maybe? I still say we need at least one shuttle BPO.

What we really need are T2 drone BPC's.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 09, 2008, 11:14:50 AM
Was he moving that in an indy?

Yes, a non-tanked, non-travel fitted Iteron Mark V


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 09, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
I have a True Sansha Medium Tower I could sell ya all for like 20% off...so 200 mil. I'll try to come up with a master list of the BPOs/BPCs but it is a daunting prospect.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on May 09, 2008, 11:22:18 AM
Yes, a non-tanked, non-travel fitted Iteron Mark V

 :ye_gods: Sympathy for the guy just went from like a 2/10 to 0/10.

I may be interested in some of those BPO's as well.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 09, 2008, 11:31:51 AM
I have a True Sansha Medium Tower I could sell ya all for like 20% off...so 200 mil. I'll try to come up with a master list of the BPOs/BPCs but it is a daunting prospect.
Is there a readable screenshot of those BPO's and BPC's? I'm interested in some minor BPOs (a few T1 ships) and some T2 BPCs -- I suspect the bulk of them are out of my price range, though.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 09, 2008, 11:42:55 AM
Once I log in tonight I'm going to make a complete list (of the BPOs anyways) with ME and stuff.

The BPCs I might go through the trouble...IDK


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on May 09, 2008, 11:51:25 AM
If the corp doesn't take it I'll buy the TS medium tower from you.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 09, 2008, 12:04:07 PM
Once I log in tonight I'm going to make a complete list (of the BPOs anyways) with ME and stuff.

The BPCs I might go through the trouble...IDK
I'm in the market for BPCs/BPOs  for Hammer 2s, Ogre 2s, Hob 2s, Warrior 2s and Warden 2s. Also for Vexors, Domis, Helios, Ishtar, Arazu, Phobos, and Tanaris.

I can't AFFORD all of them (I'd be lucky to afford one or two without selling some GTCs) but for a good price I'd probably take a few of the cheaper ones off your hands.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on May 09, 2008, 12:18:31 PM
Once I log in tonight I'm going to make a complete list (of the BPOs anyways) with ME and stuff.

Sort your folders to show a text list of items only, and click the column to sort by name.  Should be easier to fit more in a screenshot, as well as having it be legible.  We don't really need to see all them BP pictures.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 10, 2008, 09:43:43 AM
Slashes for those claimed through PMs....



As requested...BPOs first

100mn AB - ME 50 .19
100mn MWD - ME 50 .19



1mn MWD ME 100 .09
1mn MWD ME 50 .19
Warp Core Stab ME 55 .17
EANM 35 .27
Energized Magnetic ME 30
"                             ME 50
Energized Reactivce ME 30
                              ME 45
Energized Reflective ME 45
Energized Regenerative
1600mm Steel Plate ME 75
Large Remote Armor repairer ME 55
                                            ME 45
                                           ME 50
Medium Remote A R ME 45
Small Remote A R  ME 55
L A R  ME 45
M A R ME 50

           ME 45
Ballistic Control ME 45, PL 45
DRAKE ME 17 - 350 mil
Myrmidon ME 20 - 350m mil
Heavy Cap Booster I ME 60
                               ME 30, PL 30
Cap Booster 800 ME 120
                         ME 100, PL 100
Cap Recharger I ME 45, PL 45
Capital Cargo Bay ME 45, PL 10
Prototype Cloaking Device ME 60
Draonfly ME 40, PL 10
Hammerhead I ME 22
                      ME 30
Infiltrator I ME 721, PL 100
Templar ME 15
Vespa EC-600 ME 30
Vespa I ME 24
Warrior I ME 30, PL 10
Wasp EC-900 ME 30
Wasp I ME 25
Caracal ME 42 (41 mil)
            ME 40
Celestis ME 30
Osprey ME 20 (26 mil)
Vexor ME 38, PL 10
Damage control I ME 191
                           ME 45
Salvager I ME 40, PL 20
               ME 25
Catalyst ME 20 , PL 15
Cormorant ME 23
Small Energy Neut ME 50
Heavy Nos ME 45 (8 mil)
Small Nos ME 50

MFS I ME 45
Ultraviolet L ME 30
               M ME 30
Xray L ME 30
Xray M ME 30
Atron ME 40, PL 5
Condor ME 20
Heron ME 20
Imicus ME 15
Incursus ME 20
Kestrel ME 25
Maulus ME 20
Merlin ME 29, PL 3
Navitas ME 35, PL 10
Tristan ME 42
Mining foreman Blueprint crap x 4
Mining Laser Upgrade ME 55, PL 55
                                 ME 75
Expanded Cargohold ME 50
Nanofiber ME 35
Antimatter L ME 21
                   ME 22
                M ME 24
                M ME 100
250mm Railgun I ME 45, PL 25
425mm Railgun I ME 34

Electron Blaster Cannon ME 50
Heavy Electron Blaster I ME 45
Heavy Neutron Blaster I ME 50, PL 50
Ion Blaster Cannon I ME 45
Neutron Blaster Cannon ME 45
Itty II ME 10
Itty III ME 35, PL 5
Itty IV ME 20
Bloodclaw Light Missile ME 100
Wrath Cruise ME 30, PL 30
Cruise Missile Launcher ME 50, PL 50
Heavy Assault Missile ME 45
Heavy Missile Launcher ME 50
Siege Launcher ME 50
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor ME23
                                          ME 0
Cap Flux Coil ME 55
Power Diagnostic ME 45
Shield Power Relay ME 50
425mm Autocannon I ME 100
All Rigs 50-55 cept Cargohold Optimatization ME 80, Trimark ME 70
Multispec Freq Probe ME 50
Focused Warp Disruption ME 50
Sensor Booster ME 45
Explosion , Heat, Kinetic, Magnetic Scatterin Amps all ME 45
Shield Boost amp ME 25
Large, Medium, XL Shield Boosters all ME 50
LSE ME 45
Shield Recharger ME 50
Signal Amp ME 50
Ice Harvester ME 26 x 2 (13 mil)
Strip Miner ME 60 (15 mil)
Small tractor Beam ME 20
Warp Scram ME 75



BPCs of note: 100mn MWD II Runs:32, 33 , 10, 10 10, 3
10mn MWD Runs: 10, 10, 10, 10
1mn MWD : 1 , 1 , 1 , 10 , 1
1600 mm Steel Plates: RUNS: 300, 300 , 300
Drake Runs:3
Domi: ME 18, Runs 1
Maelstrom : ME 20, PL 10, Runs 2
Megathron ME 30 Run: 1 x 6
Tempest ME 35 Runs 1

Heavy Cap Booster II : Runs 10 , 10, 10 , 10, 4
Cap Recharger II Runs: 3, 3, 3, 3, 3
Capital Armor Plates: ME 100, PL 20 , runs 5    x 2
Cap Cap Battery ME 50, PL 10, runs 5   x 2
Capital Computer System ME 100 runs 5  , x 5
Capital Construction Parts: ME 100, PL 5 runs 5   x 3
Cap Power Gen ME 50, PL 20 runs 5 x 2
Capital Sensor Cluster ME 35, PL 5, runs 5   x   3
Capital Shield Emitter     50, 20, 5  x 3
Capital Ship Maintenance Bay 50, 20, 5 x 3
Covert Ops Cloak II runs 10
Firbolg ME 7 x 10
Arazu
Deimos x 3
Phobos x 4
Ishtar x 2
Damage Control II Runs: 10,10,10,10
Ares x 3
Eris x 2
Occator X 1
Expanded Cargohold II Runs: 10,10,10,10
425 MM railgun II Runs: 100 total in 10 BPS
Ion Blaster Cannon II - runs: 10
Neutron Blaster Cannon II - Runs: 10, 10, 10 , 5 , 5
Covetor ME 40, PL 10, Runs 10
Covetor ME 75, PL 25 Runs: 1   x 15
Cruise Missile Launcher II Runs: 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10
Power Diagnostic II Runs: 10,10,10,10,10
Shield Power Relay II: Runs 10
XL Shield Booster Ii: Runs: 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10
LSE II : 10,10,10
Invuln II: 10,10,10,10,10
Shield Recharger II: Runs: 10,10
Ice Harvester II: Runs 10
Modulated Strip Miner II :Runs: 1,1,1


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Megrim on May 10, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
ha ha oh wow


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on May 10, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
That is some funny stuff. I'm poor or I'd take some off your hands.  :evil:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 10, 2008, 12:32:15 PM
All the stuff that I have BPOs of the guy seems to have a good chunk of BPCs for them as well. If there are any you may need, just ask. I don't give a shit about BPCs...in fact, they mainly piss me off. lol


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 11, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
All the stuff that I have BPOs of the guy seems to have a good chunk of BPCs for them as well. If there are any you may need, just ask. I don't give a shit about BPCs...in fact, they mainly piss me off. lol
Since I can't log on right now, what are you asking for the Arazu BPC, the DC II BPC, the Ishar BPC and the Phobos BPCs?

Also, I'm interested in the Hammerhead I BPO and the Vexor BPO -- what are you asking for those BPOs? If you have a multi-run (5 or more) Vex, Helios, or Domi BPC let me know.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on May 11, 2008, 02:55:47 PM
And, BAT would gladly take any annoying left-over BPCs you happen to want to clear out of the hangar.  ;D


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 11, 2008, 03:47:39 PM
All the stuff that I have BPOs of the guy seems to have a good chunk of BPCs for them as well. If there are any you may need, just ask. I don't give a shit about BPCs...in fact, they mainly piss me off. lol
Since I can't log on right now, what are you asking for the Arazu BPC, the DC II BPC, the Ishar BPC and the Phobos BPCs?

Also, I'm interested in the Hammerhead I BPO and the Vexor BPO -- what are you asking for those BPOs? If you have a multi-run (5 or more) Vex, Helios, or Domi BPC let me know.

I'll get ya more info soon, but I'm asking store prices for the BPOs (even though they are researched).

BPCs I'll get back at ya about.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 11, 2008, 04:40:16 PM
I just sold all those Cap part BPCs back to the guy I ganked for 200mil  :drill:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 12, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
Since I can't log on right now, what are you asking for the Arazu BPC, the DC II BPC, the Ishar BPC and the Phobos BPCs?

Also, I'm interested in the Hammerhead I BPO and the Vexor BPO -- what are you asking for those BPOs? If you have a multi-run (5 or more) Vex, Helios, or Domi BPC let me know.

I'll get ya more info soon, but I'm asking store prices for the BPOs (even though they are researched).

BPCs I'll get back at ya about.
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I'll log on tonight to check the store prices -- I can probably afford both BPOs, but I'd prefer to see what the BPC's you've got are going to run me first. :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 12, 2008, 11:25:02 AM
Looking at 41 mil for the Vexor BPO and 1.6 mil for the Hammerhead. I'll just call it 42 mil for those.

Lets finish this up in PMs. o/


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on May 12, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
Heh, Slayerik, sounds like you need to hire a salesperson/accountant to spend the time to sell the stuff for you profitably, so you can in the meantime go back to acquiring more.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on May 12, 2008, 12:01:27 PM
He just lets it sit there, we still havn't bothered to try to sell that stack of 100+ faction items we posted a month or so ago.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 12, 2008, 12:05:59 PM
He just lets it sit there, we still havn't bothered to try to sell that stack of 100+ faction items we posted a month or so ago.

I'm like a fuckin dragon.

I hoard shit, ok?

And I kill shit. And take their shit to hoard...like a fuckin dragon.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 12, 2008, 12:11:05 PM
Looking at 41 mil for the Vexor BPO and 1.6 mil for the Hammerhead. I'll just call it 42 mil for those.

Lets finish this up in PMs. o/

I'm losing my brain, I promised some shit to Phil here that I forgot about. My bad!

Seriously....who wants a job selling my shit? I'll pay well :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on May 12, 2008, 12:21:59 PM

I'm losing my brain, I promised some shit to Phil here that I forgot about. My bad!

Seriously....who wants a job selling my shit? I'll pay well :)

Uh oh, apparently I should buy all the stuff off you cheap while I can before someone starts making me actually pay what it's worth for it!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on May 12, 2008, 01:02:01 PM
Morat, I have a researched vexor bpo, and will make you a long-run bpc for free after I get back from holiday, if you can use it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on May 12, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Morat, I have a researched vexor bpo, and will make you a long-run bpc for free after I get back from holiday, if you can use it.
I like flying Vex's in PvP. I had planned on the BPO just to do something with the huge stash of minerals I have all over the place -- same for the Hammerheads. I probably wouldn't use it until I had a few more weeks of specific manufacturing skills, so no hurry.

I'm pretty sure the corp has one at Kheram anyways.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: apocrypha on May 27, 2008, 04:33:07 AM
So I decided to try this suicide ganking stuff out, being bored with missions and stuff.

Fitted up a brutix with a bunch of blasters, some sensor boosters and a metric fuckton of damage mods. Got an alt into a cloaked hauler. Studied the map, chose a promising looking location, parked my arse and started scanning the AFK T1 haulers.

Got bored after 30 mins of waiting with no suitable target  :oh_i_see:  Damn my short attention span!

Have I just chosen too quiet a gate? Was getting a constant stream of ships but in four seperate 30 min sessions I didn't find a single suitable target :(


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Gets on May 27, 2008, 05:42:21 AM
You basically bought a lottery ticket for the first time in your life and are now wondering why you didn't win. Add some known big market to market or mission-hub to market systems into your autopilot as waypoints and see if there's a mid-sec system between them. Good place to try as any.

Yes, it takes more than ½ an hour to get a score, especially now that everyone with something valuable in their cargo is used to the fact that it's not safe to autopilot. These people who gank are at it for days and the money-tree has been picked dry of juicy ganks for a while now. There's still probably someone out there taking the risk of hauling 100mil+ in a fragile ship, but it takes a lot of sitting until that fish comes to you.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 27, 2008, 06:01:08 AM
Exactly, suicide ganking is not instant money by any means. I believe it has the best potential for easy cash, but it has a few pitfalls as well. The first time you get your loot stolen after waiting 3 hours for a target, you'd prolly lose your damn mind :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on May 27, 2008, 06:14:15 AM
The first time you get your loot stolen after waiting 3 hours for a target, you'd prolly lose your damn mind :)

I got 200 million worth of rigs this way  :awesome_for_real:

I enjoyed the fact that both ganker and gankee were crying into their cornflakes about this.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 27, 2008, 06:57:28 AM
I waited for five hours the last night I did it the longer it took the more intent I was on getting something good. Plus I had started getting real picky and wouldn't gank anything worth less than 150 mil the waiting paid off last 30 minutes I ganked about 450 mil worth of stuff. I reckon Gets is right though it seems the haulers aren't APing as much as when I first started I was able to gank something every hour or so but I'm also as I stated already being a bit more choosy, reason for this my sec status is getting a bit low.

Do note I did manage to gank 1.5 bil worth of stuff from one guy and Slay ganked about 3-4 bil from another fella recently so eventually you will get an uber gank if you stick at it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 27, 2008, 07:00:43 AM
I waited for five hours the last night I did it the longer it took the more intent I was on getting something good. Plus I had started getting real picky and wouldn't gank anything worth less than 150 mil the waiting paid off last 30 minutes I ganked about 450 mil worth of stuff. I reckon Gets is right though it seems the haulers aren't APing as much as when I first started I was able to gank something every hour or so but I'm also as I stated already being a bit more choosy, reason for this my sec status is getting a bit low.

Do note I did manage to gank 1.5 bil worth of stuff from one guy and Slay ganked about 3-4 bil from another fella recently so eventually you will get an uber gank if you stick at it.

For the record, I had been doing it for roughly 6-7 months prior to that motherload :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 27, 2008, 07:14:34 AM
Hehe true only took me a week to get that kill so it's really pot luck.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: apocrypha on May 27, 2008, 08:35:22 AM
OK cool, I was mostly interested to get some ideas of how long some of you experienced and successful suiciders put into it. I wasn't expecting an instant lottery win by any stretch and partly I wanted to see if I had the stamina and/or patience to stick it out for long... turns out I don't :p

I don't need the ISK and I'm not really playing EVE that much at the moment (waiting to see how FW turns out I guess) but I thought I'd try suicide ganking so that I had a better understanding of it - I try not to engage in discussions about something when I know nothing about it :)

Thanks for the replies, I'll give it another go sometime when I've got more time and feel like trying something different. One thing's for sure, after a few goes at it I now certainly have a greater respect and admiration for those of you who have the patience and determination to pull of the big scores :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 27, 2008, 07:54:01 PM
It's very much like playing poker you wait around for a top hand and then hope all the right cards fall. Some players are loose agressive shoot anything worth 50 mil some are tight agressive wait for the big money and strike hard. Probably why I enjoy it  :-P


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 28, 2008, 08:26:44 AM
Some are aggresive to the point of inventing new ways of playing the game for more profit ;)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 28, 2008, 08:27:32 AM
Yes some guys have an Ace up their sleeve ;)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on June 03, 2008, 05:51:39 AM
http://kb.phalanx-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30724

I take a break and my guys get ze motherload battleship.

Estamels invuln alone is worth a ridiculous amount.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on June 03, 2008, 09:05:38 AM
 :-o Holy crap that Nightmare is worth as much as a mom.Was he afk?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on June 03, 2008, 09:11:39 AM
Fully...faction/officer...fitted...faction...battleship... the mind reels!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on June 03, 2008, 09:26:17 AM
http://kb.phalanx-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30724

I take a break and my guys get ze motherload battleship.

Too bad all the drops combined were apparently only worth -

Total Module Drop: 8,946,863.00

 :grin:





Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on June 03, 2008, 09:57:24 AM
Fully...faction/officer...fitted...faction...battleship... the mind reels!

Thats not faction...thats fuckin DEADSPACE shit. The Gist X-Type Booster is about 2.5 bil. (X-type is top of the line, like Estamel...)

Estamel invuln....i cant remember what the last one i saw sold for but it was like over 7 bil. Thats 10 billion on 2 MODS!!! LOL


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Morat20 on June 03, 2008, 12:09:15 PM
http://kb.phalanx-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30724

I take a break and my guys get ze motherload battleship.

Too bad all the drops combined were apparently only worth -

Total Module Drop: 8,946,863.00

 :grin:

They really need to fix the estimations. :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on June 03, 2008, 10:11:34 PM
I did a check on what I could find in contracts that ship was worth circa 30-40 bil about 20-30 dropped (A Mom costs 30 bil right?). The Estamel's inv. contracts about 10 bil some of that stuff is rare. So was he afk or what?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on June 04, 2008, 04:51:14 AM
No.

If you want to know how these are killed I do not prefer to divulge that information in a public spot. PM me or something.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on June 04, 2008, 05:13:18 AM
Is the list of BPOs at the top of the previous page up to date?  Are the uncrossed items still available?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on June 04, 2008, 05:51:42 AM
No.

If you want to know how these are killed I do not prefer to divulge that information in a public spot. PM me or something.

I hear ya. sekrit suicide gank techniks I must ask you next time I see ya. I hope your crew shared some spoils with ya cause that was a nice gank & I'd seriously hate to be that Nightmare pilot thats about a years worth of lvl 4 missions ouch!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on June 04, 2008, 06:58:54 AM
Is the list of BPOs at the top of the previous page up to date?  Are the uncrossed items still available?

I updated it now, mainly the Mrymidon is the only high dollar one crossed off.

Hit me up if you are looking for some stuff.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on June 15, 2008, 09:53:36 AM
(1:43:41 PM) evii_dave: lost a freighter full of bpos last night =/
(1:43:48 PM) Vetitum: who?
(1:43:51 PM) evii_dave: me
(1:43:54 PM) Vetitum: oh god
(1:43:57 PM) daitengu: expensive bpos?
(1:44:03 PM) evii_dave: all non cap bpos
(1:44:06 PM) evii_dave: full set
(1:44:11 PM) daitengu: :cripes:
(1:44:17 PM) daitengu: link km
(1:44:32 PM) evii_dave: i even sent em on courrier contract so they wouldnt be scannabe
(1:44:32 PM) Vetitum: haha shit
(1:44:47 PM) daitengu: that sucks
(1:44:53 PM) evii_dave: no km, its a noob corp alt
(1:44:56 PM) Vetitum: where did you lose them?
(1:45:02 PM) evii_dave: nijara
(1:45:10 PM) evii_dave: someting spelled similar
(1:45:21 PM) evii_dave: twas the 1st time i undocked my freighter too lol
(1:45:25 PM) Vetitum: so if he was a noob corp alt he got suicided?
(1:45:29 PM) evii_dave: c
(1:45:31 PM) Vetitum: fuck
(1:45:34 PM) Vetitum: thats unlucky
(1:45:47 PM) daitengu: do freighters insure for the full cost?
(1:45:51 PM) Vetitum: did you get cargo scanned?
(1:45:53 PM) evii_dave: riygh estimate is thet it was about a 35 bil loss
(1:45:54 PM) evii_dave: fuckers
(1:46:13 PM) daitengu: you should ragequit, and give me your stuff (and characters)
(1:46:15 PM) evii_dave: i though when you scanned courrier contracts all it said was "sealed container"
(1:46:37 PM) daitengu: I transfer bpos in covops
(1:46:42 PM) daitengu: or recons
(1:46:57 PM) evii_dave: yeah lesson learned
(1:47:12 PM) evii_dave: never did any empire space truckin before last night
(1:47:31 PM) Bhodii: 35 bil holy crap
(1:47:37 PM) karttoon: Wow
(1:47:41 PM) karttoon: That's almost a titan hull
(1:47:48 PM) evii_dave: that was the plan
(1:47:50 PM) Bhodii: how the fuck do you earn that kind of money anyway
(1:47:57 PM) Bhodii: and bpos :cripes:
(1:48:01 PM) evii_dave: saved all my isk from the day i started playing
(1:48:07 PM) Bhodii: seriously how do you learn that kind of amount of cash and be so stupid :(
(1:48:33 PM) evii_dave: i didnt thing courrier contract containers were scannable
(1:48:41 PM) Bhodii: you sir are so wrong
(1:48:50 PM) Bhodii: all containers are scannable
(1:48:56 PM) evii_dave: if i knew id have put them in a buzzard and gone through 0.0
(1:48:56 PM) Bhodii: you should have asked friends who do suicides
(1:49:14 PM) evii_dave: welp


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on June 15, 2008, 12:43:27 PM
How did he lose a freighter though?  That's serious!  Was he AFKing?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on June 15, 2008, 01:05:13 PM
He got suicided. A dozen battleships tends to do the trick.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on June 15, 2008, 01:12:40 PM
Ah, I misread it.  He was using HIS noobcorp alt!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on June 15, 2008, 08:06:07 PM
Niarja is notoriously bad too.

Sucks to be him.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on June 15, 2008, 09:15:04 PM
I had to run through Niarja yesterday with all those BPOs you sold me.  I was frightened for my life the entire time.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 07, 2008, 06:43:10 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2237

His name is fitting.



800-900 million on that tower. He just paid for a couple months of subs on my accounts...woot. The guy at least had 1 stab. lawl


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on July 07, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2237

Ganking with Wara's account?  She'd probably feel bad.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 07, 2008, 07:33:46 PM
Bought and paid for my friend :) 7's sec status needs some love.....


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 22, 2008, 08:30:21 PM
So....yeah....fuck this game.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2348



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on July 22, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: schild on July 22, 2008, 08:35:11 PM
oh god

irony, thou art cinnabon flavored.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 22, 2008, 08:38:04 PM
It also doesn't show the one can that did drop for me...it was called mining stuff and had lots of mining crystals!!!

Well, I could see this guy being more pissed than me, poor idiot.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: schild on July 22, 2008, 08:43:44 PM
You should try to find their forums. It'll be better than Loot.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: apocrypha on July 22, 2008, 10:28:32 PM
OMG that's... that's...  :uhrr:  :ye_gods:

I still don't get why the flying fuck people AFK with loot like that. I mean, I've been playing for 4 years now and have never owned stuff worth a 10th of that single hauler's contents. I don't AFK fly with anything, anywhere, ever. And yeah I know that makes me paranoid but even so... AFK with 57 billion? Christ what an idiot.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on July 23, 2008, 12:09:15 AM
Is there any way of telling from the KM which blueprints are copies and which originals?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: schild on July 23, 2008, 12:20:01 AM
Heh, I wonder when they took down their website: rukon.net


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on July 23, 2008, 03:09:12 AM
Holy fucking wow.  Isn't there a word for that?  Oh yeah - fuck.  And fuck Eve right in the ear.  Wow.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 23, 2008, 04:34:56 AM
I may not have got loot, but I got hate mail!!!

"
2008.07.23 05:31
You could have gotten so much more by merely asking me for a donation so you wouldnt pop me. I would have paid dearly.. I dropped practically nothing but you destroyed so much it was insane. My fault for thinking I could make such a large move without issue - lesson learned but I'm thankful you didnt get shit. Enjoy your kill mail with your alt - next time try a ransom. I would even have paid you for an escort. I'll get over it. Your little Ca'dwin alt will be hunted for some time so keep him locked up. lol"


Part 2:

"2008.07.23 05:50
hmmm - you actually did get away with quite a nice load now that Ive had a chance to ascertain the loss. suffice to say that I'm going to pay so many different corps for kill mails on you buddy. Your gain won't be without its share of losses trust me. Enjoy it for now. There are many other pilots out there just like you who will be more than happy to pop you. Luckily eve is filled with them. I'm happily going to pay millions on top of that loss just to see the kill mails. you've finally given me something to do in eve. "


And he was wrong, I got shit. Well...look at me, creating purpose in an otherwise dull world. ;)

The best part was he warped off after being locked at first...and I was like FUCK. So I got my ganker/hauler in position waiting in the next system. The idiot warps back to the gate my scanner was on at 15km. Then cloaks. I smile. I can still kill this guy.

He warps to the gate im waiting for him at at 15, basically falls right into my trap, never even cloaks before my tempest basically 1 volleyed em. I see a secure can floating in space, I think ... SCORE. Not so much.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on July 23, 2008, 04:42:20 AM
I wonder what he's going to pay these dozens of mercenary corps with  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 23, 2008, 04:45:32 AM
"Hay thur! You mind paying me 20 billion so I don't pop you? NICE, thanks ! "

Seriously, this guy deserves a mail back but I just can't decide if I need to lecture him on how fuckin utterly stupid he was or be like "lawl i roxxored j00" - Since Cad isn't my guy, I won't be an ass though.

EDIT: Well, more of ass then my allowed suicide ganking with the character :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 23, 2008, 05:02:14 AM
Is there any way of telling from the KM which blueprints are copies and which originals?

Nope

I thougth I posted a reply this morning, but I'll try again:

When you scan a guy...it shows things in their cargo, and groups up stuff by whats inside Secure cans. There was a TON of single BPs all in the same can. Then there was a ton of what looked to be copies in the next one.

My guess is not a 57 billion take, more like 10-20. Doesn't really matter though, since its all space dust now.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on July 23, 2008, 05:17:13 AM
"Your losses were 57 billion, and no matter how you look at it, transporting that in a T1 industrial with no defense whatsoever (what's the point of the afterburner in the mid slot? -- at least fit shields, you moron) is stupidity of the highest degree.  Judging by your two replies to me, you're slowly realizing this, as you think about it more.

If I put the killmail on the eve-online forums you'll be forever remembered as an idiot, and everyone will laugh when they see your name in local.  57 billion in an un-defended T1 industrial is probably a record.  I won't even ask where you got all that stuff; it's doubtful that someone with your demonstrated level of intelligence could acquire it by legitimate means.  It's more likely it was corp theft.

So, you're going to spend "millions" to hunt me down, eh?  Millions.  As in, not even a fraction of the cost of the ship needed to take me out before Concord responds.  Yeah, good luck with that, I'm sure so many will rush to take your offer that the local servers will lag."


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on July 23, 2008, 06:42:32 AM
I keep envisioning Slayer as Sterling Hayden at the end of The Killing.  If I wasn't at work, I'd find the clip.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on July 23, 2008, 09:02:20 AM
Please be aware it's good that people carry shittons of stuff in T1 haulers this sort of behaviour should be condoned (considering CCP are gonna throw the nerf bat at s-ganking), please don't say anything bad about these people nurture them, in fact them make them feel welcome.

That's a record for shittiest drop in EVE soz Slay :(


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on July 23, 2008, 12:10:52 PM
I keep envisioning Slayer as Sterling Hayden at the end of The Killing.  If I wasn't at work, I'd find the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzjDvt7_xNM

There's the trailer for it...I'm just curious about the end of it now...might have to watch it :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on July 23, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
I highly recommend The Killing, so I won't spoil it.  Suffice to say you could relate.  Don't let the fact that its black and white discourage you - its Kubrick's first real film and its very well done.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: gimpyone on July 23, 2008, 11:28:08 PM
Oh, I'm so looking forward to coming back to EVE some day.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 01, 2008, 08:31:31 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2529

My luck has gone completely down the shitter this past month.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Raventongue on August 01, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
yeah that is a sucky drop


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on August 01, 2008, 05:05:05 PM
Hey, at least what dropped was T2    :uhrr:

Seriously, did that scan as something decent?  Or does it just show as a can and you take your chances?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: LC on August 01, 2008, 05:11:42 PM
We chased this guy for a few jumps. I was actually scanning ships going in the opposite direction. This guy would have slipped through if I hadn't been bored. He was on autopilot with no armor left.

http://kb.snra.us/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2912


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 01, 2008, 05:27:07 PM
Nice one LC, I have a few Hatakani kills myself from following my prey from Uedama/Sivala

In a FUCKING UNTANKED HOARDER AFK

I love these idiots.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on August 01, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
 :uhrr:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on August 01, 2008, 06:47:08 PM
I'm not going to lie, seeing shit like LCs kill makes we want to resub again.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: apocrypha on August 01, 2008, 09:46:21 PM
I notice he had a cargo scanner fitted on that hauler. Maybe he was the cargo-collecting alt of another suicide ganker? That'd be funny :p


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Predator Irl on August 12, 2008, 02:29:09 AM
Gankers feel pain too...

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3733 (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3733)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Vedi on August 12, 2008, 06:17:09 AM
Gankers feel pain too...

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3733 (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3733)

You suicide with Ravens??


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 12, 2008, 06:52:56 AM
Nowadays they insure quite well and hit nicely for whatever damage type you want.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 13, 2008, 06:35:34 AM
Took my first try at this last night....apparently the force is not with me when it comes to suicide ganking like it is with finding faction spawns.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 13, 2008, 08:38:54 AM
Just takes one gank to change your Eve life :)))


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 13, 2008, 08:49:09 AM
Just takes one gank to change your Eve life :)))

I saw two decent targets last night.  One was untanked but he was going the wrong way and I couldn't catch up to him in time.  The other one looked very well tanked and was active (warped to 0) and I'm fairly certain I couldn't of popped him with my current gunnery skills.  I was also being a bit picky, for instance I ignored someone with only 1 large control tower in cargo since I didn't want it to pop and my first gank to be a 0 isk drop.   :ye_gods:

I'm going to try moving positions when I get chance to do it again this week, the spot I'm looking at is closer to Jita and probably a busier chokepoint.  But at the same time I might have to compete for the gate then.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on August 13, 2008, 08:53:52 AM
someone with only 1 large control tower in cargo since I didn't want it to pop and my first gank to be a 0 isk drop.   :ye_gods:

It could have easily dropped you have to take gambles.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: K9 on August 13, 2008, 09:01:44 AM
How are drops determined? Is it a fixed % chance, or does it vary by some metric (weight, base cost, meta level, item type, quantity)?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 13, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
It could have easily dropped you have to take gambles.

2 towers, or a faction tower and I would of gambled for sure.  But it was early in the night and I wasn't antsy enough yet to pounce on a possible total miss like that yet.  :oh_i_see:

I've actually been tempted to mass smartbomb the station undock point in Jita just for laughs and maybe even loot if you got lucky, but it probably wouldn't get as many people now that you are moving at speed when you undock.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pax on August 13, 2008, 10:02:40 AM


I've actually been tempted to mass smartbomb the station undock point in Jita just for laughs and maybe even loot if you got lucky, but it probably wouldn't get as many people now that you are moving at speed when you undock.

You can't smartbomb within 5km of the docking perimeter.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sparky on August 13, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
Back in the day someone from Goonfleet smartbombed outside Jita 4-4.  He did the old "I'm quitting the game come get my stuff!" thing and got a few corp mates on alts to be all "Wow a raven BPO/+4 implant/whatever thanks so much!" and actually dropped a few low value items to make it look even more realistic.  Then once there was a proper swarm he lit up and harvested tears.  The chatlogs were very funny.

Didn't get any loot though the 4-4 professional vultures are way too quick.

edit:  I think it's one of the first few threads in the Goldmine if you have access


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 13, 2008, 10:08:33 AM
You can't smartbomb within 5km of the docking perimeter.

 :heartbreak: Probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do when just beginning in a new alliance anyways though.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on August 13, 2008, 10:33:44 AM
A small variation on smartbombing the Jita undcck was the guy who declared on eve-o that he was leaving the game and giving all his assets away. Specifically, on the last day of his subscribed account he was going to give away his CNR by ejecting out of it at a specified time around a specified place in Jita.

Naysayers in his thread declared that it must be some kind of trick so, to re-assure people, he declared that his CNR would be completely stripped of modules and suggested that people bring scanners to confirm this fact.

The day arrives and sure enough, the guy is orbiting a planet piloting a completely empty CNR with many onlookers and dozens of newbie ships orbiting him, waiting for him to eject. He counts down from 30 seconds and, when the counter hits 15, everyone ejects and makes a beeline for his CNR.

When his countdown hits 0, he warps in his typhoon alt and smartbombs everything around him, netting him dozens of pod killmails and a hundred thread post filled with angry people who have lost their implants.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on August 13, 2008, 11:23:07 AM
A small variation on smartbombing the Jita undcck was the guy who declared on eve-o that he was leaving the game and giving all his assets away. Specifically, on the last day of his subscribed account he was going to give away his CNR by ejecting out of it at a specified time around a specified place in Jita.

Naysayers in his thread declared that it must be some kind of trick so, to re-assure people, he declared that his CNR would be completely stripped of modules and suggested that people bring scanners to confirm this fact.

The day arrives and sure enough, the guy is orbiting a planet piloting a completely empty CNR with many onlookers and dozens of newbie ships orbiting him, waiting for him to eject. He counts down from 30 seconds and, when the counter hits 15, everyone ejects and makes a beeline for his CNR.

When his countdown hits 0, he warps in his typhoon alt and smartbombs everything around him, netting him dozens of pod killmails and a hundred thread post filled with angry people who have lost their implants.
Unless there are two people who did that, I remember it differently.

As I recall he said he was giving his CNR away, the thread filled up with 'smartbombslol' posts and he said that 'just to keep people on their toes' he'd fit a rack of smarties to make it more exciting. Cometh the day, cometh the man and cometh the muppet genocide.

Fake edit: here's the EvE-O thread (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=557287).


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on August 13, 2008, 11:46:11 AM
I hate Eve, because even though I lol'd, there is no way to explain it to anyone who doesn't play unless I give them a 20 minute background lecture.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on August 13, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
As I recall he said he was giving his CNR away, the thread filled up with 'smartbombslol' posts and he said that 'just to keep people on their toes' he'd fit a rack of smarties to make it more exciting. Cometh the day, cometh the man and cometh the muppet genocide.

Fake edit: here's the EvE-O thread (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=557287).
Ahh. I liked my story better, I guess the way it happened made everyone seem even more stupid.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on August 13, 2008, 02:13:59 PM
Besides, wouldn't a smartbomb destroy the wrecks?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Viin on August 13, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
When did wrecks come out? Those are fairly new but my chronological memorization skills suck.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on August 13, 2008, 02:38:09 PM
The day arrives and sure enough, the guy is orbiting a planet piloting a completely empty CNR with many onlookers and dozens of newbie ships orbiting him, waiting for him to eject. He counts down from 30 seconds and, when the counter hits 15, everyone ejects and makes a beeline for his CNR.

When his countdown hits 0, he warps in his typhoon alt and smartbombs everything around him, netting him dozens of pod killmails and a hundred thread post filled with angry people who have lost their implants.

 :grin:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 13, 2008, 02:58:49 PM
When did wrecks come out? Those are fairly new but my chronological memorization skills suck.
About the same time as Interdictors, but before that the loot went into cans, which would also pop in a smartbomb.  Freighters and NPC hauler spawns would drop an insane number of cans.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Predator Irl on August 14, 2008, 05:45:00 AM
LoL Now that is a funny story!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: kildorn on August 14, 2008, 06:12:20 AM
When did wrecks come out? Those are fairly new but my chronological memorization skills suck.
About the same time as Interdictors, but before that the loot went into cans, which would also pop in a smartbomb.  Freighters and NPC hauler spawns would drop an insane number of cans.

--Dave

At the time didn't Freighters just not drop loot at all? IIRC it was them or another hauler type that had a cargo hold large enough that popping it would have crashed the node. Or was that just for packaged ships.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 14, 2008, 10:07:42 AM
You're right, freighters didn't drop loot.  Was bad enough popping a 0.0 hauler spawn with 40M trit.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 19, 2008, 05:01:48 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3990

HAY GUYZ...I HAVE AN ITERON


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 19, 2008, 06:07:59 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3991

This guy tanked. But i still melted his ass with the sexy tempest.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: ajax34i on August 19, 2008, 09:41:04 PM
Is that how one tanks an indy?

I'd have thought more like this:

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
400mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II

Not that it would make a difference, but seems to have 19k effective HP, as opposed to his 11k. 

I like how he hardened the hell out of his base shields of 469.  :grin:.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 19, 2008, 09:48:44 PM
Generally you shield-tank indies with your mids, and any low slots you don't use for cargo expanders you put WCS or inertia mods in so you can get away.  If you're taking more than a single broadside, you're going to be webbed and scrambled and it's only a matter of time before your tank is broken anyway.

Yes, Iterons of any kind don't shield tank well.  That's yet another reason why Minmatar is best for 0.0 hauling.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 20, 2008, 04:32:43 AM
Generally you shield-tank indies with your mids, and any low slots you don't use for cargo expanders you put WCS or inertia mods in so you can get away.  If you're taking more than a single broadside, you're going to be webbed and scrambled and it's only a matter of time before your tank is broken anyway.

Yes, Iterons of any kind don't shield tank well.  That's yet another reason why Minmatar is best for 0.0 hauling.

--Dave

There is a prick named Uburoy that flies around in a Itty V with full shield mids and 3 extender rigs. Also runs PDUs in the lows and damage control. I tried him once and failed.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Llyse on August 20, 2008, 09:13:31 PM
How does a damage control help vs suicide ganking?

It deactivates every time you jump a gate right?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 20, 2008, 09:15:44 PM
It doesnt if you are afk. If you aren't it turns your structure from 0 resists to 50-60% and adds to your armor and shield resist.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on August 20, 2008, 10:38:55 PM
How does a damage control help vs suicide ganking?

It deactivates every time you jump a gate right?

You can reactivate it while still cloaked, or right as you uncloak..


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Llyse on August 21, 2008, 12:26:06 AM
Nah that makes sense, I was just wondering how it'd help if you were completely afk.

That Uburoy guy must be doing other stuff in the background and hits the red button if targeted


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 21, 2008, 06:12:30 AM
Your best bet if AFK is passive shield hardeners/extenders and rigs. I've seen some with armor tanks/small plates as well.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on August 21, 2008, 09:01:17 AM
JOIN OUR SEKRIT CHANNEL TO FINDS THIS STUFF OUTs


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 21, 2008, 09:54:43 AM
EDITED FOR MY MONEYZ.

Shhhh damnit :P


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on August 21, 2008, 11:07:34 AM
Ill edit mine if you will?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 21, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
Deal. The people that matter can ask :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on August 21, 2008, 11:54:11 AM
500 mil or I post it :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 21, 2008, 02:05:01 PM
500 mil or I post it :why_so_serious:

 :grin:

I like your style.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 26, 2008, 09:04:52 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4342

Another noob bites the dust.

He was afk for like 3 jumps before i tracked em down and popped him.

GG Iron guy.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 26, 2008, 09:06:56 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4342

Very nice drop as well.  Nicely done.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on August 26, 2008, 09:13:41 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4342


That's my boy!  Good to see the sec is going to a good use.

Sadly, though, the janitor on board the victim ship died.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 26, 2008, 10:18:48 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4342

Very nice drop as well.  Nicely done.

Yeah, no better feeling than seeing "Faction Stuff" GSC floating outside the wreck!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 27, 2008, 05:45:44 AM
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=The%20Merc&filter=losses&id=3794721#mail (http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=The%20Merc&filter=losses&id=3794721#mail)  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 27, 2008, 06:10:35 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4345

Not as bad, but completely empty wrecks are /wrist


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 31, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
So my last bunch of ganks were very meh with the good stuff mostly popping.  So I have one last kill before I'm below -2 sec status and I find ...

http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Daala+Phage&id=3812483&page=1&filter=kills#mail (http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Daala+Phage&id=3812483&page=1&filter=kills#mail)

Someone afk in an Iteron IV with nothing but three expanded cargohold II and nearly 1 billion isk worth of implants in the hold.  :grin:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phred on August 31, 2008, 02:01:21 PM
Ignore me. Missed the damn count columns.






Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on August 31, 2008, 02:24:59 PM
Where can you sell 3 +4 and 2 +3 for a billion?

Um...no where?  Is that a trick question or am I confused?  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 31, 2008, 04:09:35 PM
Where can you sell 3 +4 and 2 +3 for a billion?



Do you not count the like one hundred +3s?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on September 01, 2008, 07:52:45 AM
Sent to me by a friend - No l3wt for j00! (http://www.killboard.net/details/273904/)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pax on September 02, 2008, 02:32:13 AM
Looks like you busted a mission farmer - nice one, Thrawn!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 19, 2008, 10:44:57 PM
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/edog420420/stabmyself.jpg)

It happened.

The real motherload came through. Of course, due to the stupid fuckin changes that make you have to click yes to do stupid fucking aggression I missed this motherfucker. His 2 inertia stabs saved him roughly 15 billion isk.

Wtf.

Wtf.

Wtf.

Ah.......well, thats 18 billion in a couple days that hasnt worked out for me. Maybe I should retire?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 19, 2008, 10:48:47 PM
Ok, I think that last post really didn't do justice to the fact that I just missed a 15 billion isk gank.

15 billion.

Isk

Gank.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on September 20, 2008, 02:06:53 AM
Ok, I think that last post really didn't do justice to the fact that I just missed a 15 billion isk gank.

15 billion.

Isk

Gank.

Ouch.  You could have bought a mothership and officer-fitted it for that.

Of course, why you'd want to is another matter...

I wonder if he knows how lucky he was?  Or, indeed, if someone else got him, shortly afterwards.  What was he flying?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on September 20, 2008, 05:44:27 AM
Jeez man that's like being hit in the face with a wet fish.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 20, 2008, 05:53:21 AM
Ok, I think that last post really didn't do justice to the fact that I just missed a 15 billion isk gank.

15 billion.

Isk

Gank.

Ouch.  You could have bought a mothership and officer-fitted it for that.

Of course, why you'd want to is another matter...

I wonder if he knows how lucky he was?  Or, indeed, if someone else got him, shortly afterwards.  What was he flying?

Sigil with two I-stabs and a warp core stab I think..

I doubt anyone got em.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on September 20, 2008, 06:14:04 AM
 :rofl:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on September 22, 2008, 09:39:26 PM
This probably belongs in the "I'm a retard" thread, but since it was suicide-gank related, here goes.

So I'm scanning down haulers, trying to find that big score for the night after hours of nothing last night, and this baby pops up.

(http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/86041/gank%20scan%201.jpg)

Now at first glance, that is a SWEET ass fucking gank, a mammoth with a billion in shit, and all in cans so I'm going to get at least 400mil out of this.  Hell fucking yeah.

He jumps in, I light his ass up, and start wondering "what the fuck, he only had an lse and invulns, I should be raping his face, why the fuck aren't his shields going down?"

9 seconds later, CONCORD.  Cue bitching in f13.

15 minutes later, Nerf goes "Mastodon? It was a fucking Mam...oh...god damnit...fuck you CCP, fuck you cenozoic era."

*cry*


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 23, 2008, 06:10:22 AM
Did the exact same thing on a Mastodon long ago.

Your first clue should be the LSE - no regular transports can fit one unless they try really fuckin hard :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on September 23, 2008, 10:08:02 AM
Actually yeh I was thinking that I have only ever seen mammoths with loadsa MSE.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on September 23, 2008, 11:20:54 PM
I always loved it when people tried to gank my alt's Mastodon.  I'd routinely fly with 2-3B in T2 (if headed for Querious or between the top markets) or a like value of high-end named rat loot and minerals (if flying to Jita from Q), autopiloting the default route to Jita.  Except that I was seriously passive shield tanked, and could survive 3-4 BS broadsides before you'd reach my hull (Mastodon has the same native shield resists as a Vagabond, and I had nearly every slot dedicated to boosting either my passive resists or my raw shield HP).  Every time I glanced over at the computer and saw my shields had red on them, I would laugh like a fiend (happened at least every other week).  One time they must have been waiting for me in a pack, because I looked over and half my armor was gone.

I killed more battleships with that Mastodon then I ever even targetted in PvP, and I never lost a cargo.  Everybody goes for Gallente or Caldari industrials because the T1 models are so good, and don't even recognize the Minmatar models when they see them.  In 0.0 Minmatar Transports and the Fenrir freighter blow everything else away.  I used to fly my Fenrir around Querious with only my other account to scout (ran the Jumpbridges to break the siege of 49-U that way)  In mass freighter ops, my Fenrir was usually reaching warp unassisted before the Obelisks and Providences could even get up enough steam to be webbed into it (I'd tell the escorts not to waste their time).  I'd have guys trying to bump it in low-sec to keep me stuck until they could bring reinforcements that could tank the gate guns, and still manage to reach warp.  And I already mentioned the insane sub two second Prowler.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on September 24, 2008, 05:40:09 AM
Yeh I love the minmatar industrials, really are the dark horse of haulers the speed and resist bonuses along with the reasonable amount of lows and cargo space make them great all round ships. Prowler is actually one of my favourite ships in the game. I was helping scoop up loot after a battleship slugfest in Kheram, the enemy returned and caught me slightly off the gate with a rapier and a stealth bomber I tanked them til support arrived and even managed to make the gate dual webbed was pretty impressed with the ship after that.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on September 24, 2008, 06:14:56 AM
Low sec ganking!

http://www.cb-eve.ru/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3311 (http://www.cb-eve.ru/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3311)  :ye_gods: :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 24, 2008, 10:36:02 AM
And it all dropped.

Imagine how fast they were scrambling for a freighter or some haulers!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 10, 2008, 10:07:54 AM
Not exactly a suicide gank or my own work, but I felt this one was worth sharing.

Ouch (http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=171520)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Grand Design on October 10, 2008, 03:25:52 PM
 :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 13, 2008, 08:55:37 AM

Hi there! Remember me? no? well... at least I do remember you anyway, especially attacking my ship with that friend of yours stealing my precious cargo.You took everything I had including my ship so I decided to reward your efforts my way, the voodoo way but since I am still a newbie in that art, I only cursed you.

Think I am bluffing because voodoo requires at least hair or blood? You're right but that's the oldkool and indirect voodoo. Since I caught your will on the right moment and a word you use to describe yourself, it will suffice.
I've written the will and the name I caught from you to my precious book so don't even try to escape. Cursing will shorten my liffe a little but I feel better this way.

This my will, my gift, a present you can't even decline. Please continue to plunder so my curse will grow be even stronger. Hoping You'll enjoy it.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on October 13, 2008, 09:09:25 AM
Right-O, chap!  That's telling the ol' scallywag!  I'm sure pustules are even now suppurating upon the heathens hindquarters.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on October 13, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
At least he didn't threaten to feature you in his next vampire fanfic.   :ye_gods: That's reserved for the REAL scallywags.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 13, 2008, 06:15:53 PM
Maybe we can get him to curse all of us a little bit and shorten his life to last week.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 21, 2008, 11:39:27 AM
Anyone on the market for some 50-60 ME, PL 30 BPOS?

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/edog420420/gank.jpg)

With the 1.0 - 1.5 bil in salvage, this was quite the gank.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on October 21, 2008, 11:46:20 AM
Anyone on the market for some 50-60 ME, PL 30 BPOS?

I'll send you a PM when I get home and get a chance to look through what I don't have in that SS.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 21, 2008, 11:51:12 AM
And don't you try to rip me off on the Caldari Shuttle prices, I know what they are worth!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sparky on October 21, 2008, 12:39:36 PM
Hi there! Remember me? no? well...

Petition him for RL threats.  The ironing would be delicious.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 21, 2008, 12:59:36 PM
Yeah, guess I have the curse of too much isk :P


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on October 21, 2008, 01:08:39 PM
Yeah, guess I have the curse of too much isk :P

Better contract all those BPO's over for free then so I'm not adding to your problem.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on October 26, 2008, 02:12:22 PM
I am the unluckiest guy I know.

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4686

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4687

I also got an AFK Viator down to 1/2 armor before the new and improved CONCORD raped my face, he had 3x MSE's and 3x plates but I had to try ^_^


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 26, 2008, 02:53:56 PM
Ouch.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on January 13, 2009, 11:10:41 AM
Ah, almost three months since a post here!  Do we really have no one doing this?

I'm thinking of burning up Daala's sec status again but I haven't heard much about ganking since the patch so I'm really not sure what to shoot for for new dps/volley for ganking.  Doubt the named railgun Brutix will cut it anymore unless it's someone completely untanked.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: slog on January 13, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
Send me ISK

signed, SpongeSlog


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on January 13, 2009, 12:10:39 PM
One of the reasons that Nerf Blasters gunnery skills are what they are right now is so that I could use t2 guns instead of named post-patch, but I hit an incredibly fucking unlucky streak (see 2 or 3 posts above) and just gave up.  The best way to be sure now is to run a domi with large guns, sentry drones, and a painter.  In .5 you've got about 9 seconds until you're scrammed, jammed, and waiting to die.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on January 13, 2009, 12:20:47 PM
I can use T2 Large Hybrids, only need Sentry Drone Interfacing book for sentry drones and can fly Caldari and Gallente BS.  Time to play around with EFT tonight, I did a bit when I was home for lunch and it's looking like you needa BS to be sure.  Just need to make sure I can get my lock time down a reasonable amount as well as having multiple warp disruptors.  Hoping to do some good ganking unless someone wants to give me a very large no-intrest, pay you back when I can loan.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on January 13, 2009, 12:56:02 PM
One of the reasons that Nerf Blasters gunnery skills are what they are right now is so that I could use t2 guns instead of named post-patch, but I hit an incredibly fucking unlucky streak (see 2 or 3 posts above) and just gave up.  The best way to be sure now is to run a domi with large guns, sentry drones, and a painter.  In .5 you've got about 9 seconds until you're scrammed, jammed, and waiting to die.

Why would you need a painter for guns?  Lock time?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Soln on January 13, 2009, 01:00:39 PM
this makes me want to consider resubbing...

So, honest question -- can one get by on piracy and lunatic fringe stuff like this?  I always wanted to be a real smuggler, but that stealth gear seemed half baked and not really real. 

Can one solo a bit in Eve now?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on January 13, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
Why would you need a painter for guns?  Lock time?

I'm assuming to increase sig radius so you hit harder and more often.  When you only have a few seconds to do damage it really hurts when a gun misses.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 13, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Since I quit has the forum nerf rage died down? lol

I was a fuckin machine :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on January 13, 2009, 02:03:28 PM
this makes me want to consider resubbing...

So, honest question -- can one get by on piracy and lunatic fringe stuff like this?  I always wanted to be a real smuggler, but that stealth gear seemed half baked and not really real. 

Can one solo a bit in Eve now?

Wrong thread and I don't know how it relates to suicide ganking, but the answer is yes.

Piracy: lots of people pirate in lowsec especially.  Above 0.5 it's reclassed as suicide ganking because CONCORD always comes to get you, but below 0.4 you can prey on whatever noob or hauler happens by, scan down mission runners, etc.

Smuggling - the closest thing to this is to train into blockade runners (which can warp cloaked now) and run supplies out to friendly 0.0 alliances, NPC 0.0 space like Venal, Stain, Syndicate (et al), or lowsec stations.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 14, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
I am building up a nest egg to cushion any initial losses, and then I am going to give this a whirl.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Goumindong on January 14, 2009, 11:17:44 AM
Why would you need a painter for guns?  Lock time?

The painter is to make sure that your sentry drones hit AND guns hit. A web will not have an instantaneous effect like a painter will, and you need all the help you can get to make sure you're doing the proper damage.

You have to lock a target to use a painter, so it cannot ever work for lock time. Especially not when suicide ganking since its a hostile action.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 22, 2009, 07:41:00 AM
Set up a cruiser to give this a try on a small scale a few jumps from Jita (too many people at the gates in Jita proper). I am hoping to get a couple of volleys off before I get Concorded by trying in lower high sec space. So far it has been slim pickings (tried a total of about 3 hours the past 2 nights). Lots of WtZ folks, and lots of freighters which would take me an hour to kill. Any advice?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on January 22, 2009, 07:53:08 AM
You really shouldn't be able to gank a hauler in a cruiser anymore, try looking for shuttles or frigates with expensive cargo instead.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on January 22, 2009, 07:57:32 AM
You really shouldn't be able to gank a hauler in a cruiser anymore, try looking for shuttles or frigates with expensive cargo instead.

I had to use a battlecruiser in .5 sec BEFORE the patch.  You also need a LOT of patience for it, you will go days with no good targets if you're unlucky.  It's all about being setup in the right place when that big score comes in.

You have an alt ready to scoop up the loot as well correct?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on January 22, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
Also, the lower sec, the better for experimenting.  Higher sec has quicker CONCORD and bigger sec status loss.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WayAbvPar on January 22, 2009, 09:23:21 AM
I have been looking for frigs and shuttles mostly, or totally untanked haulers. Been sitting in .6 space, so I may get more than 1 volley off, and have a buddy sitting nearby to scoop. We are looking for small expensive stuff. I guess I could set up a BC and use my cruiser for belt ganking, but I don't want to blow my sec status on something that isn't profitable.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on January 22, 2009, 12:15:56 PM
You won't take out an untanked hauler in a cruiser.  I lost a Brutix to concord trying to take out a badger ii with a shitty shit setup, like 1 t1 invuln, with t2 guns and sentry drones before I said fuck it and headed to 0.0. In .5.

Now, I got extremely unlucky on that one, but ganking in anything but a BS just puts too much to chance with the new changes.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on January 30, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
http://boese.eve-kb.eu/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3873


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on January 30, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
http://boese.eve-kb.eu/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3873

Thats it, I'm clone jumping to empire right now.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on January 30, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
http://boese.eve-kb.eu/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3873

Thanks it, I'm clone jumping to empire right now.

:awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 30, 2009, 10:36:40 AM
He....flew...threw...Uedama...on autopilot.....with 60 billion in cargo.


FUCK WHERE WAS I.... WHERE WAS IIIIIIII

JKBL: SFHLK:FMSKJ:"S:KLGN :K  S:G FS:adso'da'ow'jaF



Could be a fake, but I know how stupid people can be.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 30, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
That's well over 2000 dollars at timecard prices, if I'm right?  That's at 34.99 for 690 million.

Edit: holy crap no that's only the ones that dropped.  I guess it must be closer to 4 large.  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 30, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
He....flew...threw...Uedama...on autopilot.....with 60 billion in cargo.
And no tank at all.  Okay, I went through Uedama with high-value cargoes on auto quite a lot...in a fully tanked Mastodon, or a pimped out Prowler, or a Fenrir that would take a whole fleet to gank.  I vote for "faked killmail", nobody is rich enough to be *that* casual with 60B.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on January 31, 2009, 01:23:29 AM
He....flew...threw...Uedama...on autopilot.....with 60 billion in cargo.
And no tank at all.  Okay, I went through Uedama with high-value cargoes on auto quite a lot...in a fully tanked Mastodon, or a pimped out Prowler, or a Fenrir that would take a whole fleet to gank.  I vote for "faked killmail", nobody is rich enough to be *that* casual with 60B.

--Dave

It's quite possible I don't rule it out.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 07, 2009, 08:05:51 AM
So what a good DPS/Alpha to aim for now?  I haven't done any ganking for a while but keep getting more and more tempted to do it.  I currently have a Amarr character I can use to do it for a few points of sec status and was looking at probably either -

or

But I worry about the lock time on the Geddon, and while I don't plan on doing ganking with Daala in the near future as we might be a tad busy with some place called Delve? I was looking at -


I really don't know if a Brutix will cut it for Daala post Concord buff as I'm only doing about 466dps.

Thoughts? Suggestions?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on February 07, 2009, 10:43:56 AM
If you were to use a geddon I would suggest a pulse turrets with tracking enhancers better tracking and more DPS.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 07, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
If you were to use a geddon I would suggest a pulse turrets with tracking enhancers better tracking and more DPS.

Ah, that does seem better.  Can put a signal amp in low as well to improve lock time a bit.  Never flown anything Amarr before, pulse are the shorter range better tracking?



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on February 07, 2009, 11:54:43 AM
Cool signal amps forgot about them.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 27, 2009, 08:41:54 AM
Ok, going through some old loots I thought I'd offer some deals to mah old f13 friends.

Tempest BPO: ME 50  , PL 20 :  1 bill
Abaddon BPO: ME: 50 , PL 30 : 1.7 bil
Myrmidon BPO: ME 60, PL 40:  400 mil
Ferox BPO: ME 50, PL 35: 225 mil

Someone buys em as a package deal I'll sell em for 3 billion.

Misc researched BPOs:

Coercer
Thrasher
Vexor
Blackbird
Punisher
Itty 3
Heron
Tormentor
Burst
Rifter
Thrasher
Badger
Rifter
Cormy
Itty 4
Stabber
Kestrel
Mammoth
Bestower
Osprey
Maller
Rupture
Merlin
Vigil
Catalyst
Probe
Vigil
Executioner
Badger Mk II
Tristan
Cormy
Kessy x 2
Condor

Full rig BPO set




Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: WayAbvPar on February 27, 2009, 08:45:41 AM
What kind of financing do you offer?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 27, 2009, 08:50:33 AM
Actually, I'm pretty much done with having people owe me. My memory just sucks too bad for it. I even made a fuckin ledger last time....



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 27, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
Intersted in a lot of them, just need to get isk together.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 27, 2009, 09:55:55 AM
Calling all non-broke fuckers out there!!! ;)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 27, 2009, 10:34:37 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6684

I'm outta retirement, bitches! Only took me an hour to scan then pop this noob.


The prices are off, contracts look to be about 50-70 million each. 400-500 million for an hours work, ya gotta love it!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on February 27, 2009, 10:36:14 AM
Does this mean you're going to start paying for your own fucking accounts?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 27, 2009, 10:41:34 AM
Does this mean you're going to start paying for your own fucking accounts?  :awesome_for_real:

Never again take that tone with me, young noob-iwan..

I paid for enough months of free alts for a ton of my friends, don't be butthurt cause you actually helped a brotha out for once :)



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on February 27, 2009, 10:50:04 AM
Don't tell people I helped a brotha out in an open forum, you'll ruin my rep!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on February 27, 2009, 11:01:29 AM
Ok, going through some old loots I thought I'd offer some deals to mah old f13 friends.

snipped stuff


Wish I had some cash.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on February 28, 2009, 12:38:59 PM
This thread has got me thinking, I wonder how well I could do just sitting in Niajara/Madilmee/whatever on weekends and trying to steal suicide gankers loot.  Just sit 160km off gate cloaked and warp to wrecks.  Would be easy enough just to have another window open while ratting and pop it up if you hear guns firing.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on February 28, 2009, 02:21:31 PM
This thread has got me thinking, I wonder how well I could do just sitting in Niajara/Madilmee/whatever on weekends and trying to steal suicide gankers loot.  Just sit 160km off gate cloaked and warp to wrecks.  Would be easy enough just to have another window open while ratting and pop it up if you hear guns firing.

They are awful quick to be on the wrecks, it is quite easy as the ganker to have your hauler warp in at 10 and sit there. By the time you even made it to the wreck, it would be clean. Jump into where he is hunting in a Viator or something, and don't move. He will assume you are an AFKer at your waypoint, when the shooting starts,  bump his hauler using your MWD.

Or Just cloak and wait a little above the kill zone.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on March 01, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
How about using a Blockade runner with it's newfound ability to cloakwarp? Ok so you mightn't be able to pick up the bigger hauls but you would be unseen and you warp faster than a DST.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pax on March 01, 2009, 03:50:43 AM
Don't sit 160km from the killzone, but off-grid or 200km + and be aligned at half speed?

Though Slayerik is probably right, they're really quick and the delay when initiating and exiting warp is gonna cost valuable time.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 02, 2009, 07:13:43 AM
Of course I am right, I've dealt with these dudes (and even stole some loot with my methods). :)

Trust me, cloak a little above kill zone. When firing starts, haul ass and bump other one if ya can.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on March 02, 2009, 08:12:14 AM
I did this with an alt managed to scoop one can with 300m worth of goods, I used a blockade runner and sat her 180km off gate cloaked, I could have easily got the whole billion (I saw their killmail) worth if I didn't alt-tab to the wrong Eve client (windowed mode crashes my client all the time)...twice when I heard the guns go off. Reason I didn't go for the bump thing was they had at least 3 haulers on the gate.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Predator Irl on March 02, 2009, 08:34:21 AM
Blockade runner sitting near their haulers would work because you would burn to the wreck a hell of a lot quicker than regular haulers. The only problem is the blockade runners cargo hold is about 4750m3 when fit for speed over cargo space. Although you could sacrifice some of the speed for a few cargo expanders and still win the race to the wreck.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on March 02, 2009, 08:45:47 AM
Blockade runner sitting near their haulers would work because you would burn to the wreck a hell of a lot quicker than regular haulers. The only problem is the blockade runners cargo hold is about 4750m3 when fit for speed over cargo space. Although you could sacrifice some of the speed for a few cargo expanders and still win the race to the wreck.

You'd want to be able to hold like 2 GSCs.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on March 02, 2009, 08:52:43 AM
Blockade runner sitting near their haulers would work because you would burn to the wreck a hell of a lot quicker than regular haulers. The only problem is the blockade runners cargo hold is about 4750m3 when fit for speed over cargo space. Although you could sacrifice some of the speed for a few cargo expanders and still win the race to the wreck.

You can fit 9-10k m3 on there and still go fast enough to deliver a good bump.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on April 16, 2009, 12:11:11 PM
So a new question now...how many torp using stealth bombers would it take to pull off ganks?   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on April 17, 2009, 01:19:44 AM
So a new question now...how many torp using stealth bombers would it take to pull off ganks?   :awesome_for_real:

You'd presumably want target painters to maximise the effect of the torps, even with sig radius bonuses?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on April 17, 2009, 05:48:04 AM
I saw a guy use them exclusively in my ganking travels...think it was a manticore.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on April 28, 2009, 10:57:03 PM
--Black ops jabber leak--

(12:59:38 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: wait i looked it up and jihad page on wiki says you *can* be podded after suiciding with criminal flag up
(1:01:12 AM) Cingach: yeah fuck ya'll
(1:01:18 AM) Cingach: night
(1:05:56 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: HUZZAH
(1:06:18 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: jhaded a hulk and all it cost me was 8m isk and .12 sec status
(1:06:52 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: although if someone could come pick this up... anyone have an alt in amarr?
(1:06:57 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: gisti a type dropped :v
(1:07:32 AM) mokita: youre supposed to have an alt ready to grab loot
(1:07:36 AM) mr_adebisi: you didn't efb
(1:07:41 AM) mr_adebisi: go scoop that shit asap
(1:07:46 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: what i can't for 15 minutes can i?
(1:07:59 AM) mr_adebisi: this is why you have an empire alt ready aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
(1:08:01 AM) gabriel_lansten: I think I might have a character there atm
(1:08:02 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: i just wanted to kill a guy
(1:08:05 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: i don't have any alts
(1:08:05 AM) gabriel_lansten: I'll have to check
(1:08:09 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: i said that like an hour ago
(1:08:18 AM) mr_adebisi: spy
(1:10:32 AM) gabriel_lansten: pi ts nongbong
(1:14:14 AM) barwinius: anything happening in insmother area?
(1:20:40 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: ahahahdslkfasdk jfkaj
(1:20:48 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: he ragequit and never came back for his a-type
(1:21:03 AM) nerf_blasters: ?
(1:21:16 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/351839 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/351839)
(1:21:30 AM) nerf_blasters: ..and you looted it?
(1:21:36 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: yes
(1:21:39 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: 15 minutes later
(1:21:40 AM) nerf_blasters: after 15m of agression?
(1:21:43 AM) nerf_blasters: hahahahahhahahahaa
(1:21:53 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: hahahaha, oh my god
(1:21:58 AM) Nongbong Fongrong: i'm gonna go have a victory smoke

tl;dr guy wants to jihad a macroing hulk for fun, has no alt to scoop, doesn't bother to shipscan target.  Ganks hulk with gistii a-type, a-type drops, 15minutes of aggression timer later, its still in the wreck.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on April 29, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
What's a gitsi-a type worth?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on April 29, 2009, 04:07:02 PM
What's a gitsi-a type worth?

250m or so.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on April 29, 2009, 04:18:12 PM
That's a lot of rifters.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Setanta on May 10, 2009, 06:42:07 AM
No killsheet for it but last night I was mining with a retriever (alt) and badger (main) in 0.7 when the retriever disintegrates in a puff of smoke. I then watch as a battleship is torched by Concord, I scoop the wrecks and salvage and with the insurance payment completely finance the 6 mill I lost on the retriever with change left over. NFI why he did it other than stupidity as his loss was nuts compared to mine (after recovery I needed to replace 1 Strip Miner I and a survey module - all my T2 stuff was recovered).

Worst suicide gank ever


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on May 10, 2009, 08:10:05 AM
Sounds more like a Jihad than a Suicide Gank.  A really, really bad Jihad.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on August 03, 2009, 09:25:09 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10895

Outta retirement? And no, they weren't all BPO's...just a few of em.. probably a 300-400 mil score.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on August 03, 2009, 07:09:08 PM
I love reading about your kills slayer.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Setanta on August 04, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10895

Outta retirement? And no, they weren't all BPO's...just a few of em.. probably a 300-400 mil score.

People still use haulers to move blueprints? Darwinism at work and you're just facilitating the process IMO :)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on September 29, 2009, 11:49:29 AM
Does a hurricane make a good suicide ganker?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on September 29, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
Does a hurricane make a good suicide ganker?

It was one of my favorites. I do it differently than most guys though, using arty and a sentry drone. (I have my reasons)

Best part is the EM damage, chews through the shields nicely.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on September 29, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
And they are about to get better (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1184365).
Actually I'm not entirely sure if medium sized weapons will get a serious boost in the upcoming changes but it looks like the big guns are about to get some love.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on September 29, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
I know my name is Nerf Blasters, but seriously, blasters need some fucking love CCP.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on September 29, 2009, 01:48:02 PM
Are they suggesting changing the cap bonus on mid-range ammo, or are they saying they're going to make mid-range projectile ammo larger but with enhanced tracking?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on September 29, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
I think they're doing away with the whole "but its smaller!" nonsense bonus and actually giving it a real bonus.  Now they need to realize that the cap bonus on hybrids is retarded for 99% of pvp and make blasters suck less.  The problem with blasters isn't ammo based though, its just the entire platform is fucked.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on September 29, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
I agree T2 Blaster ammo definitely needs fixing. Spike is fucking worthless unless you are sniping & Void tracking penalty should be removed altogether.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on September 29, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
(http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/86041/thorax%20vs%20omen.jpg)

How can anyone look at that and not say "Hmm, maybe we should look into this"?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on September 29, 2009, 03:22:02 PM
I think this graph would hammer it home, close range ship that can't hit same sized ship very well at close range even with webs applied.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd50/jam3ie/DPS-webbed.jpg)

Beware of using scrams on Thorax instead of webs sig radius is your friend now, look at the shitty peak on that optimal. The omen turrets still out DPS it at 3km with transversals placed at 50% which would be the outside track on the ellipse if both ships orbiting. Only if both ships are sitting completely still does the rax do substantially more turret damage than it's Amarr counterpart, the main advantage it has is larger drone bay. Faction ammo heavily reduces the problem but it's no good having a PvP'centric ammo that is useless in PvP. Don't even get me started on Spike what a fucktarded penalty, so glad I'm flying Amarr ships again.




Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Teleku on September 29, 2009, 04:42:03 PM
Woo, good news all around.  I love my hurricane, and have myself up to T2 Medium Projectile, so further boost would be awesome.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 08, 2009, 06:16:13 PM
I helped do a bad thing. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11160)

And this one too. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11161)

Good night, sweet Golem! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11162)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Setanta on October 08, 2009, 07:36:23 PM
And they are about to get better (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1184365).
Actually I'm not entirely sure if medium sized weapons will get a serious boost in the upcoming changes but it looks like the big guns are about to get some love.

Medium and large arty are getting the better buffs from what I read - pity small isn't too- arty Thrasher could be nastier if it did. I'm in T2 mediums on my 'cane now - just started training the big guns to get into a BS at some stage.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 09, 2009, 03:50:15 AM
I helped do a bad thing. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11160)

And this one too. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11161)

Good night, sweet Golem! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11162)

Haha awesome  :awesome_for_real:

are you gonna get a cut?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 09, 2009, 07:06:56 AM
He oughta. We used to do this back in the day with 5-7 battleships.....fun stuff.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 09, 2009, 07:42:15 AM
Yeah, everyone involved will get a bit of the payout.  Not as nice as the freighter ganking a bunch of guys pulled last weekend, but still pretty good for us.

Edit: (http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2263/hahaloot.png)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 10, 2009, 07:08:48 PM
Different day, bigger targets:

Success! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11179)
Failure! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11180)
Consolation! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11188)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 11, 2009, 08:59:57 AM
Warms my heart to see freighter gankings. Uedama is a good spot too.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Murgos on October 12, 2009, 06:54:36 AM
Different day, bigger targets:

Success! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11179)
Failure! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11180)
Consolation! (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11188)

Your profit ratio can't be that great.  I counted 32 ships on one of those KM's.  It's probably costing close to 2 B just to roll the dice.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 12, 2009, 06:58:07 AM
Made about 230m isk after the split, but it was well worth it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 12, 2009, 08:35:25 AM
Fuck yeah anything done as a group with a profit at the end of it is generally a good thing, to add to that you pissed in a lot of peoples cheerios so it's just win win win.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 12, 2009, 09:15:36 AM
I was gonna say, we always targeted much bigger value. But when you are down for the griefing and not the loot, fuck it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 12, 2009, 04:53:25 PM
I'd only consider the third freighter insignificant in value for this sort of thing, but we'd been doing it for several hours, people were tired and there was literally nothing else.  So it was either hit that or go home.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Predator Irl on October 13, 2009, 04:23:20 AM
Thats some nice shit right there! Who cares about the ISK... 

pubbie tears...  priceless!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 13, 2009, 05:28:52 AM
I can understand suicide ganking as a way to make money and as a necessary reminder to Empire people that it's a dangerous world out there and not to carry anything around unless you're prepared to lose it.

But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.  And that's exactly the kind of shit that'll force CCP to reluctantly clamp down on suicide ganking again.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on October 13, 2009, 06:04:32 AM
I can understand suicide ganking as a way to make money and as a necessary reminder to Empire people that it's a dangerous world out there and not to carry anything around unless you're prepared to lose it.

But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.

Why?  I've never suicide ganked but I am a bit bewildered as to why blowing up any one internet spaceship is worse than blowing up any other one, especially where there is absolutely no contractual or social obligation not to do so.

PvPers like to get kills.  Freighters are big kills.  Nothing in Eve is utterly without risk.  That's kinda it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on October 13, 2009, 07:07:05 AM
But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.  And that's exactly the kind of shit that'll force CCP to reluctantly clamp down on suicide ganking again.

Isn't that a large part of the draw of EvE though?  The ability to be a complete asshole?  Act like an asshole in most MMOs and you'll just end up banned (go try to scam someone in WoW for instance).  Do it in EvE and you might end up rich and famous.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 13, 2009, 07:27:05 AM
The thing is, Reg, it looks like it takes like 40 BSes now to do it. (In .5 sec)  That requires coordination, time, and money.

I think if I had the resources that GS has, I would have fuckers in interceptors all over empire finding big money freighters, then taking down names or calling in the battleships. Something like a 200 million reward for spotting it.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on October 13, 2009, 08:23:45 AM
Reg is right.  You have to consider that Freighter hauling is a brainless task.  Drudging all that shit around.  There is no viable defense against a suicide.  You can have a scout for the bottlenecks if you are lucky.  No fleet is going to make regular escort runs taking x hours, even if it was possible.  You cannot fit modules, all you can do is dock or delay your route.  You can take less cargo which means more runs.  More soul crushing hours.  That is why it is done afk in the first place.

While it is true you are never safe the current has changed a bit.  CCP is focusing on fighting, not ganking.  They really have to.  If growth is what they want the niche must change a bit.  A prolonged upswing in ganks will get those people vocal, and eventually CCP will do something about it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on October 13, 2009, 08:51:52 AM
While I agree broadly with what Pezzle says, anyone who flies AFK in a ship worth ganking is an idiot. I fly my freighter exclusively in hi-sec and still never autopilot it even when it's empty. If you're in a war, are carrying expensive cargo or are just flying something that might be a grief target (faction ship, freighter, etc) then you simply shouldn't be AFK unless you're docked or in a secure POS.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Predator Irl on October 13, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
While its obviously not a pleasant job hauling for hours through empire, it should never be 100% safe. Otherwise we end up with 6 security classification ratings instead of 11, i.e. 0.0 to 0.4 and a sandbox "untouchable" territory.

I wouldn't personally enjoy losing a freighter full of cargo, but there is a reason for a 0.5 to 1.0 security level and its a fundamental characteristic which defines Eve. If you have billions worth of cargo, you should have to scout and protect it regardless.

If people don't like it, let them whine for an empire capable jump freighter (good luck with that), but don't spoil the mechanics of the game.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Thrawn on October 13, 2009, 09:47:23 AM
While I agree broadly with what Pezzle says, anyone who flies AFK in a ship worth ganking is an idiot. I fly my freighter exclusively in hi-sec and still never autopilot it even when it's empty. If you're in a war, are carrying expensive cargo or are just flying something that might be a grief target (faction ship, freighter, etc) then you simply shouldn't be AFK unless you're docked or in a secure POS.

Being afk or not is basicly irrelevent because they are too slow to align.  I caught normal industrials that weren't afk when I was ganking, catching a non afk freighter would be 10 times easier then that.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 13, 2009, 09:47:35 AM
Sounds like you freighter guys need a comm channel called 'achtung goons'


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on October 13, 2009, 10:26:41 AM
It's pretty damned hard to catch a freighter with a webber alt, but you also have to be out of the newbie corp to be able to use one.  Like everything else in EvE, you've got choices, but there are no free rides.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on October 13, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
While I agree broadly with what Pezzle says, anyone who flies AFK in a ship worth ganking is an idiot. I fly my freighter exclusively in hi-sec and still never autopilot it even when it's empty. If you're in a war, are carrying expensive cargo or are just flying something that might be a grief target (faction ship, freighter, etc) then you simply shouldn't be AFK unless you're docked or in a secure POS.

Being afk or not is basicly irrelevent because they are too slow to align.  I caught normal industrials that weren't afk when I was ganking, catching a non afk freighter would be 10 times easier then that.

I set all Goon and Privateer corps red (my freighter alt is in an NPC corp) and if I jump through a gate and see suspicious hostiles on the other side I ctrl-q immediately and come back later.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on October 13, 2009, 11:28:08 AM
I want to say anytime Ctrl-Q is the counter measure, something is fucking broken/silly/stupid.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on October 13, 2009, 11:45:51 AM
The only other thing that will reliably get you through a hostile gatecamp im Empire is a cov-ops cloak. There's no way a single ship of any class is going to fight its way out of any halfway competent gank.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on October 13, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
Sounds like you freighter guys need a comm channel called 'achtung goons'

I promise you that within a matter of weeks the channel admin and most of the top intel providers would be goon alts.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Comstar on October 13, 2009, 12:04:02 PM
CCP won't do anything about it till it hurts their bottom line.

As a person who would like to one day AFK a freighter full of stuff from point A to point B without needing a 2nd account to do it, I think I need to go join the jihad.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 13, 2009, 12:05:32 PM
The all seeing, all hearing goons.  :awesome_for_real:

Most likely, but its not the worst idea ever.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 13, 2009, 05:35:48 PM
Whatever happened to the idea of nerfing Concord insurance payouts to make suicide ganking less profitable?

Also, to quote someone on goonfleet.com who was similarly quoting: "It's not about making money, it's about taking money!"


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on October 13, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
I can understand and appreciate do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.  How many hours should players have to spend flying shit around empire?  Should it require a second account?  (if you say yes, die).  I am not angry about the suiciders.  I find the hauling a terrible time sink.  Without those haulers that cannot defend themselves, the economy would crash.  Most players are simply not willing to spend those mindless hours at the keyboard.  Who can blame them?  Why punish them?  PVPers reduce risk with disposable alts.  Is this EVE online or EVE afk?  The exposure for non pvp pilots is potentially greater.  This is outside wars and personal flags. 

Maybe the answer is, gank the shit of of them until the system gets changed.  Who knows.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on October 14, 2009, 01:58:59 AM
How is suicide ganking in empire any different from suicide ganking in 0.0 (http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/411906), except that it's a bit more of a surprise to the gankee?  We don't have a wardec on Atlas, after all, any more than we do on Deep Core Mining Industries.  We just happen not to like either of them very much.

And Pezzle, of all people you should be backing us to the hilt on this one.  We follow Sheikh Karttoon (blessings be upon him) and his jihad against those Crusaders that despoil the purity of Empire and, God willing, we will purge those lands of the infidels and the unclean, who clutter space with their towers - little more than illegal Zionist settlements - and whose usury and profiteering clog the ways of space until they resemble little more than sclerotic arteries.  Nothing is haram in the war against the impure, who are warned that they live in the Dar al-Harb, the House of War.  Eternal jihad upon they who profane the lands of the future Caliphate!  The legions of our suicide pilots are without number!

A bit more convincing as a motivation than disliking a specific sort of cutlery, n'est pas?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 04:53:58 AM
I can understand and appreciate do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.  How many hours should players have to spend flying shit around empire?  Should it require a second account?  (if you say yes, die).

Yes, if you can afford to fly billions of ISK around without a care in the world you should be able to afford a second account, lets do the math 30d game time <= 1/10th of your cargo. If the freighter is running corp errands then get someone from your corp to scout in a ship with multiple webs it will speed things up for both of you, Eve never makes life easy for the lone pilot in any instance.

There is a hugely simple solution and the answer is so fucking obvious that I don't think it's even worth mentioning(plus it would fuck up profits), I'll give you a hint though Eve is a sandbox MMO.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on October 14, 2009, 06:02:16 AM
Can I buy a vowel?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on October 14, 2009, 06:57:22 AM
In 0.0 the escort can shoot first.

Read my first message.  This is not about the numbers it takes to be successful or the number of accounts I can afford.  If you grief enough people in Empire it will get changed again. 


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 07:47:48 AM
Instead of players creating solutions to player made solutions, they create problems.

That's the problems.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 14, 2009, 08:07:16 AM
There's no point in even discussing it with them Pezzle. These are the same people whose lack of self-restraint was responsible for the Trammelization of UO.  They chirped endlessly about "risk versus reward" back in those days too.  But then, there was no social contract limiting their griefing after all.  Who knew that eventually the devs would over-react and destroy their game?

Seriously guys. Getting together with 20 of your closest friends to destroy a freighter just for the fun of ruining someone's day doesn't put you in the same league as the Guiding Hand Social Club. You aren't a great EVE hero. You're just a problem that the developers will eventually solve by taking a hammer to your playstyle.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on October 14, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
... the Trammelization of UO...

I think that counts as a Godwin in these sort of threads.

CCP though have indicated multiple times that they are fine with the risk of suicide ganks, it's an intended and implicitly understood cost of doing business. No it doesn't make you a hero but the motivations of the ganker shouldn't be a factor when considering the problem. It doesn't matter whether people are doing it because they are bored or because they are unironically role-playing space terrorists or because they are disrupting the empire logistics of an entity they are opposed to. The end result is the same.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on October 14, 2009, 08:36:09 AM
I say again, but spelling it out this time: Jihadswarm is roleplaying, and they're doing it damned well.  It is a shame for some people that they are roleplaying suicidial space-terrorists who are not motivated my money, but threats of "you'll get it nerfed and then where will your money source be?" are hardly that worrying when the point at which this all got so heated was when it became clear to some that it's not being done for money, anyway.  There are, in any case, plenty of other acts of unspeakable terror which would remain to be perpetrated, anyhow.

And Reg, accusing large numbers of people of being unencumbered by morality and incapable of trustworthy interaction just because they blow up wholly virtual items without a formal wardec is a bit daft.  For one thing, were it true then you would be down ten billion.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Comstar on October 14, 2009, 08:56:45 AM
The solution is simple- if you get blown up by Concord, you don't get insurance. This makes the risk equal the reward. By all means go ahead and suicide gank, you're losing 120million ISK x 20 at a time. It'll cost you about 2 billion every time you attack one. Still totally risk-free from any player retribution.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on October 14, 2009, 09:15:58 AM
Endie, you do not need to justify it to me.  The chances I will get ganked (I can fly a freighter) is very low unless someone is after me specifically.  I know all about risk vs reward and every other pvp mantra.  I also know that once I get to empire I autopilot to my destination and go do laundry/dishes/whatever else because it is a better use of time than sitting at the keyboard doing essentially nothing.  It is a forced grind.  Nothing I can really do if I get attacked.  The mechanics make escorts rather pointless.  Yes of course people hauling goods will earn profits.  It is a necessary tedium, like fueling towers.  Do I really care about freighters getting popped?  No.  If you are having fun with Jihadswarms that is great.  The people afk flying freighters are not.  Maybe the economy is hopelessly screwed up.  There is a tipping point on that level of activity though.  Maybe the bar is high enough, maybe not.  What is the break point, around 3 billion?  

This is of course just chatter.  I do not keep track of daily freighter kills.  Kill enough in a short enough span and the noise will increase.  Eventually a change will be made and the noise will decrease.    


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 14, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
Even as a ganker, I've always thought the insurance payouts from concord made no sense. It was awesome, but lacked the appropriate risk.

Though Freighter pilots need to be accountable for their shit. They know they are untanked, unprotected, and driving through fuckin Niarja. Dont haul 10 billion.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Vedi on October 14, 2009, 11:43:49 AM
I wonder if this is a case where behavioural economics can magnify the effects of suiciding freighters. I mean, in theory, the risk of being killed if AFKing a freighter through high-sec is probably less than 1%, even if you do carry 10+ billion. So, you'd think that the people doing this would just factor in the risk in their profit margins and stuff would become 1% or whatever more expensive. No big deal.

The problem may be that there is no real insurance industry in Eve, so there's no real way to simply pay that 1% extra and avoid the risk. Probably, this leads to each individual corp or trader building a much larger capital reserve. If you might lose 10 billion by having a freighter suicided, you want to ensure that you can carry that loss, which means having at least 10 billion in reserve. If all traders suddenly must keep a much larger capital reserve, it will greatly reduce the working capital in the game economy. In addition there is the behvioural effect - people tend to hate low risk/high loss scenarios and modify their behaviour to avoid them. It may be that these cost to the efficiency of the economy are much greater than the actual losses.

Perhaps there is a market for player-run suicide attack insurance? For instance, if you pay some amount of isk per month and provide full API keys (to ensure that you don't fake killmails), you will get reimbursed any loss (or some high percentage of a loss) if killed in a freighter or transport in high-sec. Something like this would remove the need for a large capital buffer by the individual traders, although I don't know how doable it is with all the histories of fraud in player-run financials. There's also some potential for insurance fraud I guess, since not everything is destroyed in the kill.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on October 14, 2009, 12:01:52 PM
It's unrealistic to expect any appreciable numbers of PvPers to exercise "restraint" and not do something that game mechanics allow, let alone what is not even proscribed by the company that runs the place.  For starters, the concept of restraint absent specific rules leads to ambiguity and there are people who feel that no one should attack anyone unprovoked anywhere, even in 0.0.  Our viewpoints are not on one side of the argument or other, they are locations along a sliding scale.

Also, while in real life a society can put pressure on the individual to exercise restraint, it doesn't work that way online due to the simple strategy of logging out, a luxury we don't have in the real world.  The "restraint" approach is a non-starter in online life - game mechanics and EULAs are the only recourse.

Though noise about being ganked has some chance of influencing game mechanic or EULA changes, CCP has pretty consistently committed to preserving the dangerous and treacherous nature of the game, even in highsec.  So you might be right, Pezzle, but I doubt it.  The Trammelization of UO was a specific choice by the UO development team to take the game in another direction, which appears to have (financially) worked out, but that doesn't necessarily predict what might happen to EVE.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 14, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
Quote
CCP though have indicated multiple times that they are fine with the risk of suicide ganks, it's an intended and implicitly understood cost of doing business. No it doesn't make you a hero but the motivations of the ganker shouldn't be a factor when considering the problem. It doesn't matter whether people are doing it because they are bored or because they are unironically role-playing space terrorists or because they are disrupting the empire logistics of an entity they are opposed to. The end result is the same.

You're right. CCP did say that. And they've also nerfed suicide ganking at least twice now when it got out of hand.  I have no reason to think they won't do it again.

And I never claimed that people's motivations should be taken into consideration.  I said that if you gank someone just to spoil their day and not because they're an enemy or to make money then you're being an asshole.  And I don't like assholes. OK?

As far as I'm concerned a freighter pilot carrying some ridiculous cargo is making a target of himself and deserves anything that happens.  Or if one of my competitors ticks me off enough it might be fun to hand out free battleships to 20 of my closest friends and interrupt his next delivery of ships to Dodixie.  That's all just fine by me. But if you're doing it just to be a dick then well, what can I say?  You're a dick.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on October 14, 2009, 12:44:33 PM
There's a much simpler solution. Have people be able to sell off Kill rights to people that gank them. The person ganked makes a bit of extra cash, and there's a consequence to the ganker.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 01:43:53 PM
There's a much simpler solution. Have people be able to sell off Kill rights to people that gank them. The person ganked makes a bit of extra cash, and there's a consequence to the ganker.

That's fairly complex and not so much a solution as it merely eases the victims pain doesn't get all their stuff back.

Can't believe noones copped it but the simplest solution I hinted at earlier is actually for these whining little babbies to do something proactive like um I dunno ..... setup an intel channel to report sighted gank squads? But I know this is quite a complicated procedure for our disorganised and fragmented Empire pubbies to conceive so we have no fear of that, I guess we'll continue being assholes and milking the retard train til CCP again caves to the retarded end of the playerbase.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 14, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Oh you mean the part of the player base that actually funds 80+ plus percent of the game?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on October 14, 2009, 03:18:45 PM
How is a intel channel going to save them? If the goons can infiltrate major alliances, they are going to be able to get into #nogankmeplz.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: IainC on October 14, 2009, 03:21:09 PM
Quote
CCP though have indicated multiple times that they are fine with the risk of suicide ganks, it's an intended and implicitly understood cost of doing business. No it doesn't make you a hero but the motivations of the ganker shouldn't be a factor when considering the problem. It doesn't matter whether people are doing it because they are bored or because they are unironically role-playing space terrorists or because they are disrupting the empire logistics of an entity they are opposed to. The end result is the same.

You're right. CCP did say that. And they've also nerfed suicide ganking at least twice now when it got out of hand.  I have no reason to think they won't do it again.

And I never claimed that people's motivations should be taken into consideration.  I said that if you gank someone just to spoil their day and not because they're an enemy or to make money then you're being an asshole.  And I don't like assholes. OK?

As far as I'm concerned a freighter pilot carrying some ridiculous cargo is making a target of himself and deserves anything that happens.  Or if one of my competitors ticks me off enough it might be fun to hand out free battleships to 20 of my closest friends and interrupt his next delivery of ships to Dodixie.  That's all just fine by me. But if you're doing it just to be a dick then well, what can I say?  You're a dick.


 :headscratch:

I'm not seeing your point then.

You say that suicide ganking in Empire can be a legitimate tactic that shouldn't be made impossible. I agree.

You say that pilots carrying valuable cargo should accept that they're a target and deal with that risk. I agree here as well.

You say that people who do it just to piss on others' cheerios are dicks. Well that's a valid opinion but not really germane to the discussion.

You say that CCP are vanishingly unlikely to ever make bulk hauling risk free. I agree with that too.

What position are you actually arguing here?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Oh you mean the part of the player base that actually funds 80+ plus percent of the game?

No I mean the retards who fly 2b+ around empire on autopilot, unscouted and with no intel. Also stop trolling you know we aren't talking about everybody who decides to remain in Empire.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: tazelbain on October 14, 2009, 03:44:07 PM
I can believe 80% are folks but I just got to wonder how much of that 80 are fronts for 0.0 players.  The numbers I saw in the econ reports were referring to pilots.  Data core mechanic allow would seem indicate that there are a ton of "pilots" who sit around just to farm rp.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 14, 2009, 05:06:56 PM
I'd just like to add for that record that I'm in it for the money much more so than the comedy.  And I'm pretty sure that all three of those freighter pilots were at least reasonably good-natured after their losses, very little flipping out about vengeance and the horrible things they'll do to get even.

On the other hand, there ARE those people that smart-bomb mining gangs for the tears.  THOSE are the assholes we should be arguing about, not the ones that go after single targets and (generally speaking) don't pod the guy who just lost his ship.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 14, 2009, 05:38:57 PM
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You say that people who do it just to piss on others' cheerios are dicks. Well that's a valid opinion but not really germane to the discussion.

Jesus freaking Christ! Go back to my original post.  It's all I was saying from the very beginning! And it was made in response to a few posts above it congratulating you for griefing and "pissing in people's cheerios" for little or no profit.

Little did I know that I'd be subjected to learned lectures on risk versus reward and the EVE Social Contract (that it appears I've violated by contradicting the Goonswarm groupthink). Trust me, it won't happen again until the next time.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 06:10:02 PM
Quote
You say that people who do it just to piss on others' cheerios are dicks. Well that's a valid opinion but not really germane to the discussion.

Jesus freaking Christ! Go back to my original post.  It's all I was saying from the very beginning! And it was made in response to a few posts above it congratulating you for griefing and "pissing in people's cheerios" for little or no profit.

Little did I know that I'd be subjected to learned lectures on risk versus reward and the EVE Social Contract (that it appears I've violated by contradicting the Goonswarm groupthink). Trust me, it won't happen again until the next time.


:facepalm:

Points at thread, points at original poster, points at fact original poster wasn't ever a member of Goonswarm. Points at my contribution to the thread while not in Goonswarm. Points at the fact that person I'm responding to isn't even trying to have a proper conversation, waves goodbye to concern troll.

Everyone assume normal ganking positions, oh and Samson you're not an asshole you're just preventing yourself from going to the back of the player queue with a well timed maneuver.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 14, 2009, 06:34:29 PM
The benefit of doing it as part of a gang is that I was able to go and fuck off for a few days in nullsec, and when I logged in tonight (to my pod, in Fountain of course) I was pleasantly surprised to see my wallet blinking with 500 million isk.  Being a dick pays.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 14, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
Funny thing is Reg probably pisses in peoples cheerios everyday by destablizing market values and I'm sure he has known competitors and griefs their prices just to fuck with their day. He'll never admit it of course but I'm fairly certain it's part and parcel of his market game. Problem is it doesn't make for an interesting thread so I think he's just jealous cause he could wipe his ass with the money most of us have made in this thread

 :grin:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 14, 2009, 07:48:29 PM
Nerf Reg.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on October 15, 2009, 01:16:52 AM
Reg has, indeed spoken about how he has griefed others out of the market. I fail to see how deliberately depriving a player of a few hundred million is different if you do it by using the sell items button instead of the shoot lazors buttan.

Also, reg, I think it was you who started lecturing on social contracts.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 15, 2009, 06:09:34 AM
I  :heart: this thread.

Thank you CCP. I might just stay subbed forever just to support a game that has the balls to allow shit like this to even be a topic. Item drop on death, griefing, espionage, alliance warfare and drama, scams, market games, massive PVP, massive theft, and adrenaline puts this game on another level as anything out there. Somehow, even after all my arguing over the years that there IS a strong niche for this, they have proven it. UO in space pretty much.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Kamen on October 15, 2009, 07:06:23 AM

Thank you CCP. I might just stay subbed forever just to support a game that has the balls to allow shit like this to even be a topic. Item drop on death, griefing, espionage, alliance warfare and drama, scams, market games, massive PVP, massive theft, and adrenaline puts this game on another level as anything out there. Somehow, even after all my arguing over the years that there IS a strong niche for this, they have proven it. UO in space pretty much.

I'm still holding out hope for the day that we can rip the implants out of corpse's  :awesome_for_real:

Also, I'm planning on doing some suicide ganking of non-afk haulers after they jump through, and would appreciate setup suggestions for a Harbinger.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pennilenko on October 15, 2009, 08:56:13 AM
game

Eve is not a game anymore. Its a real virtual universe, it transcended what a game is and is now something else entirely.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Reg on October 15, 2009, 10:03:59 AM
Reg has, indeed spoken about how he has griefed others out of the market. I fail to see how deliberately depriving a player of a few hundred million is different if you do it by using the sell items button instead of the shoot lazors buttan.

I drive people out of the market so that I can make more money.  I'm not just doing it to be a prick.  I have no idea why you people are having so much trouble with this.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 15, 2009, 12:30:40 PM

Thank you CCP. I might just stay subbed forever just to support a game that has the balls to allow shit like this to even be a topic. Item drop on death, griefing, espionage, alliance warfare and drama, scams, market games, massive PVP, massive theft, and adrenaline puts this game on another level as anything out there. Somehow, even after all my arguing over the years that there IS a strong niche for this, they have proven it. UO in space pretty much.

I'm still holding out hope for the day that we can rip the implants out of corpse's  :awesome_for_real:

Also, I'm planning on doing some suicide ganking of non-afk haulers after they jump through, and would appreciate setup suggestions for a Harbinger.

I'll PM ya some info.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on October 15, 2009, 01:20:43 PM
game

Eve is not a game anymore. Its a real virtual universe, it transcended what a game is and is now something else entirely.

There is truth to this and will become a little more apparent in the next year or two I imagine.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on October 15, 2009, 01:31:39 PM
Yeah, by then we will have walking in stations and I can open up a wig shop!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 15, 2009, 09:03:03 PM
Heh heh heh. (http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11223)


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 15, 2009, 09:36:15 PM
We did it all for the X type! The X-Type!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 15, 2009, 09:47:54 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4342

This is only one example of many and not my best,  but I find my method to be much more satisfying. ;) I might have to post here all the hate mails I have, some are fuckin priceless. And for some reason I think I posted em earlier in this thread. Oh well, will give me something to do tomorrow.


Random suidice target hate mail.

--------------------
2008.04.08 14:47
For 5 months i have spent 17 to 20 hrs a day working hard for what i have, and in 1 foul swoop u took it all away from me. Yes it is only a game but for it to work it takes a lot of hours in real time, and for some Cock Head to take away the 2380 hrs in 5 seconds it will be a bad move on your behalf. I am not in alliance but have real life friends that play that have said tell me who, so u cost me 180000000 isk so if u r smart repay that amount or ill make ur life HELL and the bounty will increase buy the day and ill let my mates off there chains next week, Remember i spent hours behind here to get that and I will stop only when u repay or u get sick of being popped and bounty goes up every day ur online :-)

----------------------------------------

ME:

2008.09.06 18:06
Was good to see you flying in a transport.

Least you learn your lesson.

Fly safe.

--------------------

2008.09.07 04:16

Yes m8 with many thanks to you :-) lol
--------------------


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Brolan on October 16, 2009, 05:13:58 PM
He took 5 months to earn 180 million?  Is this a joke?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 16, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
He actually got my bounty up to about 60 million before I took my alt and claimed it. LOL


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on October 16, 2009, 07:52:53 PM
The bounty system in EVE is easily one of the largest failures I've ever seen. Has there ever been a time when an actual "bounty hunter" has gotten a legit kill?


The only thing the bounty system seems to do is give players a "badge of honour" or another payday.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on October 16, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
I've seen a few small bounties paid out, but if it gets too high then the target usually claims it himself or for a buddy.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Fordel on October 17, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
You can just jump-clone into a implant-less clone and just cash in, right? Someone in a rifter just pops your pod and everyone is rich!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on October 17, 2009, 06:49:34 AM
Yes.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on January 07, 2010, 10:00:49 PM
Hulkageddon started yesterday, and seeing some shiny and easily attained prized, I threw my hat in the ring.

http://hulkageddon.wordpress.com/

Looks like I'm the winner of a shiny new proteus - there was a contender that posted a kill with 2 t2 megathrons and a velator against a hulk in .9, and the velator got the killing blow with 156 damage.  Apparently the mails were all faked as everything by that poster has been removed.  The best part of this had to be that he had 5 valk ii's in his drone bay, and while he was lamenting his fate on ventrilo he apparently forgot to deploy them, as even with a neutral logistics pilot 5 t2 meds would have made short work of my 75hp shield buffer.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on January 08, 2010, 03:34:05 AM
Idiot. I always mined with Drones deployed, which meant the drones would agress on anyone trhat atttacked me. I mearly killed an intie that attacked me once with valk 1s  :grin:


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on January 08, 2010, 06:08:34 AM
Oh he wasn't mining, I was trying to catch him on a gate as he was hauling stuff in his hulk and he kept jumping in 20km away, and the velator was only cap stable with a scram.  Right when he said he was going to log I asked if he could come grab a can of ore out of a belt for me, he warped right to me. Pop goes the hulk.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 08, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
Idiot. I always mined with Drones deployed, which meant the drones would agress on anyone trhat atttacked me. I mearly killed an intie that attacked me once with valk 1s  :grin:

Trouble with that is that the ganker doesn't lose any sec status if your drones agress him.  Concord will still pop him but it's one less batch of ratting to do to get his sec status back.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on January 08, 2010, 07:09:50 AM
Is this a general rule? If you shoot back at a ganker in high sec, he doesn't lose sec status?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on January 08, 2010, 07:24:00 AM
Is this a general rule? If you shoot back at a ganker in high sec, he doesn't lose sec status?

He loses sec from attacking you, he loses more from destroying your ship, and he loses a fuckload from podding you, unless the rules changed.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 08, 2010, 07:40:54 AM
The rules have not changed.

From the wiki:

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If a ship has combat drones out, they will usually auto-target you back when you start firing and you won't incur the sec hit for the kill.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: lac on January 08, 2010, 08:00:22 AM
So it's only with auto-agressing drones, not when you fight back. Looks like a bug turned feature.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 08, 2010, 11:52:05 AM
So it's only with auto-agressing drones, not when you fight back. Looks like a bug turned feature.

No it's only talking about drones because it's from an article about jihading hulks, which won't have other weapons.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Der Helm on January 08, 2010, 11:20:06 PM
Lets say someone tried to kill a simple shuttle with a caracal cruiser and failed. Would it be because he did not fit target painters ? Is the use of such painters even possible, because that certain someone only got a single volley of before concord popped his cruiser.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nerf on January 08, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
Use artillery to gank, the alpha on it is insane with the recent patch, and training med arty's doesnt' take too terribly long.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on January 09, 2010, 08:51:40 AM
Idiot. I always mined with Drones deployed, which meant the drones would agress on anyone trhat atttacked me. I mearly killed an intie that attacked me once with valk 1s  :grin:

Trouble with that is that the ganker doesn't lose any sec status if your drones agress him.  Concord will still pop him but it's one less batch of ratting to do to get his sec status back.

When a faggot is attacking my Mining barge, the last thing I would be worried about is his sec status and his ability to plot future attacks, to be fair.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Jayce on January 09, 2010, 10:11:45 AM
Lets say someone tried to kill a simple shuttle with a caracal cruiser and failed. Would it be because he did not fit target painters ? Is the use of such painters even possible, because that certain someone only got a single volley of before concord popped his cruiser.

I think people usually use BCs and up due to their alpha, though a shuttle can't have many EHP.

A target painter could help here since a shuttle probably has a low sig radius, but it's like adding nails to a broomstick rather than just using a gun.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 31, 2010, 01:03:24 AM
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/453475

Hey look we got fucked.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 31, 2010, 01:13:34 AM
I used to use BC's fitted with frigate guns and targeting/speed packages for swatting pods/shuttles/frigates.  Basically set up as a oversized destroyer with a medium smartbomb or two for fun, being cruiser sized they often thought as long as they stayed fast they could outrun my tracking, where they would have run at the mere sight of a Destroyer or Interdictor.  Made a good design for close support of a BS sniper group, lots of tacklers died without ever understanding why until they saw the killmails.

--Dave


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on January 31, 2010, 02:30:52 AM
I used to use BC's fitted with frigate guns and targeting/speed packages for swatting pods/shuttles/frigates.  Basically set up as a oversized destroyer with a medium smartbomb or two for fun, being cruiser sized they often thought as long as they stayed fast they could outrun my tracking, where they would have run at the mere sight of a Destroyer or Interdictor.  Made a good design for close support of a BS sniper group, lots of tacklers died without ever understanding why until they saw the killmails.

I did this a bit in Providence with an undergunned rail Myrmidon, and with the drone speed module added to make my warrior IIs travel at inty-fucking speeds.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: bhodi on January 31, 2010, 07:51:37 AM
I used to that in my drake as well - level up those missile skills and use t2 missiles and it's amazing how much you can do.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on January 31, 2010, 01:44:55 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13592

and

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13590

Our luck is ass.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on January 31, 2010, 02:34:31 PM
http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13592

and

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13590

Our luck is ass.

For those who aren't sure of the exact prices the cost of both those ganks is in the region of about 20-22b. There was a potential for up to 18-19billion to drop, excluding ship cost and rigs, but of this only 2b dropped over the two ganks. Not a good day at the races but at least we made a profit and did a shedload of damage.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on July 03, 2010, 05:12:13 AM
So I reactivate a suicide ganker I trained up last year and never used with the free 5 days offer, I  decide to try out the old stomping ground of Balle in a Hurricane. Her skills aren't of the highest order and she only gets about 610 DPS w/overheating but I'm sure it's enough to pop an untanked afk hauler. I'm on the Du Annes gate now cause Concord are on the Aufay one and I spot a guy with what I think is 200m in skill books going the other way, I follow him to Vylade after realising he didn't warp to Aufay. Then realise Vylade is a 0.8 but I been sitting arond all day with no targets so I'm trigger happy, luckily he pops and drops (http://batcountry.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2561). Damn killboard informs me Capital energy turret is only worth 19m, I thought it was in the region of 90-120, oh well it pays for the cache of ships and mods.

I refit, saved ship fittings for the absolute win here, go to the Du Annes gate again and this time after waiting an hour scan a dude carrying a Medium pos and structures. Price check on the stuff tells me somewhere between 300-500m, so I quickly follow him to the Aufay gate and there he is autopiloting. I pop out my drones and unleash Minmatar power, no sooner do I hear my autocannons rat tat but I get instajammed by a Concord Commander, I had completely forgotten why I wasn't on this gate :(

I'm disconsolate now and can't believe my idiocy but to further punish myself I use my hauler account to follow the target into Aufay and check the next gate I could have gotten him on, no Concord there fuck and he looks like he's docked up. A few minutes later I trundle back to Balle, but just as I jump in I notice a wreck on the gate with the targets name on it! Ok so someone else must have popped him after me, I MWD over to the container and see a Proteus huggin it for dear life I get there just before a freighter who is homing in on it and open it, everything is fucking in there. I scoop everything real quick and can't believe my luck. I then check my gankers combat log and see that I have a kill for him (http://batcountry.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2562)  :headscratch:

I still have no idea how I single volleyed a mammoth with a 1500 alpha strike, also oddly there was another wreck just sitting there with a Protea and a load fittings worth 50m I have no idea how that happened either, but I scooped it.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on July 03, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
I still have no idea how I single volleyed a mammoth with a 1500 alpha strike, also oddly there was another wreck just sitting there with a Protea and a load fittings worth 50m I have no idea how that happened either, but I scooped it.

The cargo mods all reduce his structure, but even then he should have had over 3000 EHP after resists and basic skills.  Perhaps he had armour or hull damage already?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on July 03, 2010, 01:08:07 PM
Exciting stuff. I really should start doing this, I feel like my sec status is burning a hole in my pocket unspent.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on July 03, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
The cargo mods all reduce his structure, but even then he should have had over 3000 EHP after resists and basic skills.  Perhaps he had armour or hull damage already?

Yeh quite possible, I didn't even get to see his outlay cause I got jammed instantly. But I think you've hit the nail on the head.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on July 09, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
Marvellous news for suicide gankers!

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CCP Zulu said:
If you blow up a ship that happens to be carrying PLEX, it may drop the PLEX as loot or it may be destroyed in the conflagration (much like any other item in a ship's cargo hold). The refund policies for PLEX will not be any different from any other item.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=776

Time I got a piece of this action, and it's Hulkaggeddon week too!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Brolan on July 09, 2010, 08:47:29 PM
Are the reductions in insurance payouts reducing the amount of suicide ganking?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on July 09, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
It would probably be a slight deterrent to freighter ganks, but generally I would say no. It just means the ganker has to raise the bar a little to offset the loss, a cheaply fit battlecruiser is fairly negligible compared to the potential net profit.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Pezzle on July 09, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Wait, PLEX is an ingame item you can carry??  You can lose your subscription up to pirates?  Cash shops tomorrow..


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on July 10, 2010, 03:55:59 AM
You can't lose it if you right click it and Add Time to Account.

You also can fly with a shuttle to anywhere and buy your plex there if you're buying it.

The plexes that will be available to pirates are plexes that are being moved by people who didn't purchase them originally. Speculators, traders etc. I checked yesterday and you could buy them for 295m in Rens on Buy Order while in Jita there were 306m buy orders. Come Tuesday traders may try to run them for +11m per plex (if you don't get ganked).

We don't yet know how heavy they will be. If you can fit ten in a shuttle then it's a very quick way to make 110m if you don't get ganked.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on July 10, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
For something that small I'd use a covert ops frig. You could still get nailed by smartbombing Domis and crap on a gate though.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on July 10, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
I would have thought a warp stabbed interceptor would be better. Quick and just about unstoppable in high sec. All you're doing is jumping, aligning and warping to zero. You clearly wouldn't afk autopilot with 3b isk worth of plexes in cargo.

Edit: I guess the most dangerous part is docking in Jita if it's laggy. If you crash then you could just be sat there available to be scanned. Whatever ship minimises that risk might be best as would simply selling them at a different Jita station.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on July 10, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Covops are nearly as agile as interceptors and can warp cloaked.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Kageru on August 07, 2010, 06:02:42 PM

A nice suicide gank.... but why anyone would be carrying PLEX's in that number in that ship boggles the mind.

Kestrel Kill (http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710)

apparently the whole stack was destroyed with the ship.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on August 07, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
It's a shame that the program apparently seems to check for destruction one stack at a time rather than individually. I suppose it's too much load where things like ammo and cap boosters need to be checked.

Feel rather sorry for the intrepid gankers. They should get a "I did a 22 Bill gank and all I got is this lousy T-shirt Cyno Generator I" T-shirt


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: eldaec on August 08, 2010, 03:47:16 PM

A nice suicide gank.... but why anyone would be carrying PLEX's in that number in that ship boggles the mind.

Kestrel Kill (http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710)

apparently the whole stack was destroyed with the ship.


That isn't a suicide gank. The Space Monkey's Alliance alliance pilot undocked with war targets in system.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Stabs on August 08, 2010, 04:10:32 PM

A nice suicide gank.... but why anyone would be carrying PLEX's in that number in that ship boggles the mind.

Kestrel Kill (http://mofo.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710)

apparently the whole stack was destroyed with the ship.


That isn't a suicide gank. The Space Monkey's Alliance alliance pilot undocked with war targets in system.

CLUNK!


Oh, excuse me, my forehead just hit my desk.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Sir T on August 08, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
Um, just to clarify, would these plexes have been bought with ingame or RL cash?


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Kageru on August 08, 2010, 11:10:06 PM

There's no real way to know unless the person who lost them reveals that information. However since he was killed flying into Jita it suggests he'd probably bought them for isk and was planning to re-sell them in Jita at a profit. If he'd bought them for real life cash there's no reason not to claim them in Jita.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Endie on August 09, 2010, 01:29:45 AM
Funnily enough, I reset them earlier in what turned out not to be a great day for the SpaceMOkney's Alliance alliance, when they let Awox in and he did his thing with a PL gang.  So I've been speaking to their diplomat and between his prevarication and the comments on their killboard it looks awfully like this was an ill-advised alliance investment that went spectacularly wrong.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Nope on August 09, 2010, 02:29:37 PM
went spectacularly wrong.

dreddit got several recruits out the front page reddit story. thanks monkies.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: eldaec on August 09, 2010, 04:20:25 PM
And here was me thinking dashMostly Harmlessdash's choice of pets couldn't get any worse after Vanguarddot.

I really can't imagine why anyone would ever even consider something like this under a war dec.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on August 09, 2010, 06:41:34 PM
Says the man whose corporation lost a Retriever to the same group of gankers earlier that day.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: eldaec on August 09, 2010, 11:01:51 PM
Hush. It's all part of our k+d/m strategy.  :awesome_for_real:

Though anyone still flying a retriever can be forgiven things that anyone who can afford a 70 billion cargo really shouldn't be.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 11, 2012, 09:40:00 AM
So, now when you scan stuff it tells you if it is BPC or BPO.

New bummer is, you do not get insurance on ganks. All in all, it's probably how it should have been for ever.....


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on May 11, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Nice nerf/buff.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Kitsune on May 11, 2012, 11:44:45 AM
Yeah, pretty much everyone knew that it was silly to be able to get insurance payout on ships that were killed by Concord during piracy.  Bless gankers and the work they do keeping the skies clear of rich idiots, but there should definitely be a fair money sacrifice involved in ganking to make sure they can't profitably kill anyone and everyone at random.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 11, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16402641

So, I went back to my old hunting grounds, fitted up a YARRRRicane, and began scanning at work. Saw 100k of Zydrine and committed, without really knowing current prices. Fumbled around a bit and had some video issues, but popped em no problem. Most everything dropped, was a good gank. Maybe 3-400 mil at the cost of .3 sec status and 45 million isk ship.



Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Slayerik on May 11, 2012, 01:48:56 PM
Just missed a PLEX cause my work machine is balls.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on May 11, 2012, 01:59:28 PM
Sit on that Zydrine for a while, the price is going to go up.  Presumably a lot.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on June 04, 2012, 05:47:59 AM
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[ 2012.06.03 21:27:31 ] Kareena Evol > sup
[ 2012.06.03 21:27:40 ] Kier'a Dax > hey
[ 2012.06.03 21:27:53 ] Kareena Evol > sorry about that
[ 2012.06.03 21:28:01 ] Kier'a Dax > wtf was that about
[ 2012.06.03 21:28:21 ] Kier'a Dax > can you please allow me to recover my cargo?
[ 2012.06.03 21:28:39 ] Kareena Evol > how do you suppose we could do that?
[ 2012.06.03 21:29:13 ] Kier'a Dax > idk, but thats my mate's tengu
[ 2012.06.03 21:29:55 ] Kareena Evol > 'was' your mates tengu
[ 2012.06.03 21:29:59 ] Kareena Evol > it's mine now
[ 2012.06.03 21:30:22 ] Kier'a Dax > how the fuck did u pop me that fast in highsex    (I one shotted her/him)
[ 2012.06.03 21:30:41 ] Kareena Evol > were you even tanked?
[ 2012.06.03 21:31:01 ] Kier'a Dax > you arent sposed to be able to lock that fast jumpjump
[ 2012.06.03 21:31:24 ] Kareena Evol > I got skills
[ 2012.06.03 21:31:33 ] Kier'a Dax > can i atleast get my cargo rigs back?
[ 2012.06.03 21:32:06 ] Kareena Evol > I have a stricly no returns policy sorry for any inconvenience

Combat log -  http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16621593


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Amarr HM on August 06, 2013, 08:30:07 AM
So I resubbed the other day and went to rejoin Bat Country until I noticed my main had sec status of 5.0. I pull my app and clone-jump to empire so I could redact this blight on my character screen, wholly uninterrupted of course.

Straight away I get back into the groove and put my name on a few unsuspecting haulers, the first hauler is carrying 1bill but only a meager 100m drops, gah! The next 700m hauler drops 80m. I'm just keeping head above water when finally I manage to nab a 250m drop from a 400m hauler, yay.

Meanwhile I have started to learn of this new criminal flag system, mainly through having to switch it off so I could actually attack and loot these haulers in the first place, I find out apparently my hauler alt can get flagged as a 'suspect' for just looting the wreck. I only find out the true meaning of this when my hauler gets flagged and blown up trying to loot a 250m drop, oh god I also got podded and lost 800k skillpoints and 50m million implants from my alt. Ha total disaster but I should have read the warning signs. I will now have to look into ways to avoid this perhaps being in gang with my ganker might prevent such happenings when I loot the wreck.

I'm really impressed with this feature, even though I felt the sore end of it. They also finally did something with the bounty system. Apparently you can buy killrights to get my ganker multiple times for very little, I may rectify this with an alt before I carry on.


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Phildo on August 06, 2013, 05:49:11 PM
In the meantime, the Ministry of Love is currently blockading nitrogen isotopes.  So go kill some mackinaws!


Title: Re: Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker
Post by: Furiously on December 29, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35550466/?ModPagespeed=noscript (https://zkillboard.com/detail/35550466/?ModPagespeed=noscript) Few months late.

Highlights from fleet chat were:
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Jake Saissor > YOU SONS OF BITCHES!
Jake Saissor > Fuck you with a fucking forty foot pole!
Temariix > xD
Temariix > you jelly Jake?
The Great Pumpkin > ?
Jak Hakaari > ?
Atticus Evingod > ?
Temariix > ?
Jake Saissor > Someone from the fleet fucking ganked me!