You do not speak about Frigate Club - Great kills but 2003 main will kill us all

[Llyse]

It's a mid slot I think with other e-war stuff

[Quinton]

As you say, RSDs require some juggling and sacrifices.  Personally, if half of us dropped a gun to fit an RSD I suspect we'd actually increase in deadliness.

RSD?

[Akkori]

Remote Sensor Damper

[Morat20]

Remote Sensor Damper

I was running one of those in a Maulus. I should have been using the ECM drones (I can carry two lights) as well, making it a decent annoyance. Of course, I got exploded.

[Endie]

As you say, RSDs require some juggling and sacrifices.  Personally, if half of us dropped a gun to fit an RSD I suspect we'd actually increase in deadliness.

RSD?

Like Akkori says, a remote sensor dampener, which if I remember rightly needs Sensor Linking I to use.

Without loading a script (kinda like ammo) into it it decreases lock range and increases lock time a little for a target.  If a bunch of us all use them with sensor resolution dampening scripts we can stop targets being able to lock beyond a few km.  That just leaves drone boats as a danger (and lessens that, to an extent).

[5150]

As you say, RSDs require some juggling and sacrifices.  Personally, if half of us dropped a gun to fit an RSD I suspect we'd actually increase in deadliness.

RSD?

Like Akkori says, a remote sensor dampener, which if I remember rightly needs Sensor Linking I to use.

Without loading a script (kinda like ammo) into it it decreases lock range and increases lock time a little for a target.  If a bunch of us all use them with sensor resolution dampening scripts we can stop targets being able to lock beyond a few km.  That just leaves drone boats as a danger (and lessens that, to an extent).

I'm pretty sure damps have a stacking penalty so there does come a point where throwing more on (with the same script) isnt really worth it (unless you really do have loads). If you also have a couple of ECM boats in the gang its worth have some of you damps either unscripted or scripted for lock time because then it only takes 1 ECM hit to _really_ ruin the targets day

If you are serious about your damps get sensor linking to 4 and then train signal supression (preferably to 4 as well) which will increase the effectiveness of your damps (jumping in a damp boat after that gets kinda sick with a decent Gallente ship level in the appropriate boat)

[Morat20]

I'm pretty sure damps have a stacking penalty so there does come a point where throwing more on (with the same script) isnt really worth it (unless you really do have loads). If you also have a couple of ECM boats in the gang its worth have some of you damps either unscripted or scripted for lock time because then it only takes 1 ECM hit to _really_ ruin the targets day

If you are serious about your damps get sensor linking to 4 and then train signal supression (preferably to 4 as well) which will increase the effectiveness of your damps (jumping in a damp boat after that gets kinda sick with a decent Gallente ship level in the appropriate boat)

I've been considering training for an Arazu one day, to do exactly that.

In the meantime, I'm getting a cov-ops frigate and seeing if I like playing sneaky-sneaky.

[Mook]

I'd be so tempted by EWAR if Amarr stuff weren't so midslot gimped. 

[Snee]

Indeed my retribution has all of 1 midslot. No EW here. :(

I'm using an mwd... how fast should I be, to mostly avoid getting hit?  Does one attempt to outrun drones?

trying to decide between an extra hs and and another ODI . its about +15% to dps or velocity, depending on what I use.

looking at using a low slot for cap relay to keep things sustainable... am I better off doing something else and try not to keep my rep on all the time? Should I even use a rep?

[lac]

A rep is always handy but you shouldn't use it to tank in a frigate swarm. If you get hit warp out, start repping, warp back.

[Endie]

A rep is always handy but you shouldn't use it to tank in a frigate swarm. If you get hit warp out, start repping, warp back.

And to clarify what lac means, if there are 20 of us swarming someone set your repper going as soon as you warp, and immediately warp back upon arriving at your destination.  Noone will ever pick you out again on purpose in that situation.

[Mook]

A rep is always handy but you shouldn't use it to tank in a frigate swarm. If you get hit warp out, start repping, warp back.

Not that I'd would suggest taking an AF to our frigate outting, but Retributions is armour resisted up the waazoo 

80% base explosive resist and 62.5% base kinetic resist, plus 15% explosive resist and 10% kinetic resist per frigate level (which will be at V if you're even in it)... with some active armour hardeners you'll be pushing mid 90s for resists easy. And with a small AR II you should at least be able to tank for decent amount of time unless a few people are concentrating on trying to kill you.

[amiable]

A rep is always handy but you shouldn't use it to tank in a frigate swarm. If you get hit warp out, start repping, warp back.

Not that I'd would suggest taking an AF to our frigate outting, but Retributions is armour resisted up the waazoo 

80% base explosive resist and 62.5% base kinetic resist, plus 15% explosive resist and 10% kinetic resist per frigate level (which will be at V if you're even in it)... with some active armour hardeners you'll be pushing mid 90s for resists easy. And with a small AR II you should at least be able to tank for decent amount of time unless a few people are concentrating on trying to kill you.

I can actually fly a Retribution, but I have no idea how to fit it for PvP due to lack of midslots...  If someone has any ideas let me know.  I'd bring one, I have been mission-whoring for a while and those things are pretty cheap, even with the requisite T2 fittings...

I would bring a Vengeance but my Rocket skill is terrible, I used to fly them to Ninja PVE in 0.0 before I quit.  (I had this brilliant idea where I would us an Ammar AF to rat in 0.0 so I wouldn't have to run back for ammo).  I actually took out a Tanaris once with one, my only solo PvP kill evah.

[Endie]

Remember this OP is tonight, Saturday, at 20:00 eve time!

[Morat20]

Remember this OP is tonight, Saturday, at 20:00 eve time!

I wish I could make it. I'm stuck at work -- and sick as a freakin' dog to boot. Good luck. Hopefully the next run I can acquire a Helios and do a bit of scouting. (Someone other than Bhodi needs to learn!).

[Gets]

Get well soon.

[Morat20]

Get well soon.

Eh, the "work" thing is really the problem. The "sick" bit could be cured by copious amounts of booze or pills. :) It's the work+sick that sucks!

[Endie]

Just to confirm we are starting in Reisen again, as before.

[Der Helm]

Fun was had. 

[Quinton]

Fun was had. 

And how.  Can we do this again next week?

Poor Mr BC guy was so grumpy.  He was totally going to report us for 30-boxing, too!

[Falconeer]

Almost wake up son laughing over the 30box thing and that guy literally going crazy.

The log should be posted on the recruiting thread in the general board. I bet it's worth at least 10 new members.

[Akkori]

video would be better!

[Myrdyn98]

  YAY for no smartbomb!!!


Beware the mob 

[Morat20]

Almost wake up son laughing over the 30box thing and that guy literally going crazy.

The log should be posted on the recruiting thread in the general board. I bet it's worth at least 10 new members.

So when's that going to be posted?

[bhodi]

Life just isn't fair for some people. For all of you who weren't there, this is part of what you missed:

First, watch the video. (Click the download link for the full size version)

Then, view the aftermath:

[ 2008.02.09 22:51:15 ] Deadford > fuck you gankers
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:26 ] Amarr Holymight > GF MATE
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:34 ] Amarr Holymight > WANT US TO POD u?
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:42 ] Mei Antares > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:44 ] Elseix > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:44 ] lacucaracha > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:44 ] Bhodii > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:45 ] Tragny > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:45 ] Mithranda GeeBeen > Good fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:46 ] Uriq > good fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:46 ] Myrdyn > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:46 ] Morriand A'resse > GF
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:47 ] Lefteye Falconeer > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:47 ] Amiable Quinn > good fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:47 ] Zzelle > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:47 ] Ravandor > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:48 ] ZynnLee Akkori > welll done
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:48 ] Rillek Ratseye > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:48 ] Snee > wd
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:49 ] Irek Dabry > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:49 ] Nelke Cronspect > good fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:50 ] Nastasia Muse > awesome fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:51 ] Taveran > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:51 ] Amarr Holymight > GF
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:51 ] Alasara > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:52 ] Steve Colbert > you're an american
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:53 ] Cantine Boy > gf
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:55 ] Sebiestor Helm > good fight
[ 2008.02.09 22:51:55 ] The Groundskeeper > maddest of props
[ 2008.02.09 22:52:03 ] Tragny > Thank you, come again.
[ 2008.02.09 22:52:22 ] Steve Colbert > smells like failure in here
[ 2008.02.09 22:52:32 ] Uriq > (hopefully Ive recorded this whole thing)
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:01 ] Deadford > yeah like 50vs 1 is fair
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:11 ] Amarr Holymight > NAH WAS ONLY 30
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:13 ] Rillek Ratseye > it wasnt 50 vs 1
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:17 ] Zzelle > I think there were actually 500 of us
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:19 ] Irek Dabry > dude, it was a buncha frigates
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:24 ] Steve Colbert > like my step father molesting me was fair :(
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:26 ] Zzelle > maybe 5000?
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:26 ] Uriq > welcome to lowsec
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:29 ] Bhodii > t1 frigate swarm!
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:34 ] Deadford > I'm going to get my main and come back anryour stupid littl corps are screwed
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:40 ] Steve Colbert > hahahah
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:49 ] Steve Colbert > i hope your main is a fucking death star
[ 2008.02.09 22:54:52 ] Amarr Holymight > cool
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:00 ] Deadford > sriously you are dead meat
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:01 ] Zzelle > that's no moon!
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:09 ] Snee > heh
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:13 ] Amarr Holymight > well meet you here ok
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:13 ] ZynnLee Akkori > you got 10 minutes
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:17 ] Deadford > shouldve knwn with stupid gons in local
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:25 ] Mithranda GeeBeen > Is your main also flying something that can't hit frigates?
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:28 ] Myrdyn > http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=139
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:39 ] Myrdyn > for your viewing pleasure
[ 2008.02.09 22:55:57 ] Deadford > yeah this is an alt ive been in eve since 2003
[ 2008.02.09 22:56:05 ] Myrdyn > yay so have I
[ 2008.02.09 22:56:10 ] Steve Colbert > i'v
[ 2008.02.09 22:56:18 ] Steve Colbert > i've been in for 2 weeks, and you're the one who is dead
[ 2008.02.09 22:56:33 ] Steve Colbert > that's poetic justice
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:00 ] Deadford > just wait
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:07 ] Deadford > F13, dia feram
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:08 ] Steve Colbert > i'm waiting
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:11 ] Deadford > i see you
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:16 ] Deadford > you'll bve screwd
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:18 ] Amarr Holymight > how come you are using an alt to rat in lowsec?
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:18 ] Zzelle > I see me too!
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:29 ] Myrdyn > im bent over and waiting honey
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:30 ] Steve Colbert > guys, i think we should back off
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:37 ] Mei Antares > we are waiting plz bring your main
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:37 ] Steve Colbert > he seems to mean business
[ 2008.02.09 22:57:56 ] Zzelle > make sure we get a receipt then
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:01 ] Steve Colbert > what sucks for you, is that we are all one person, with 30 accounts and computers
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:14 ] ZynnLee Akkori > heheh
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:15 ] Deadford > you are getting reported fr account sharing
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:19 ] Zzelle > shhhh
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:26 ] Zzelle > don't give away the fact that we're 30-boxing
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:38 ] Steve Colbert > hahahah
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:39 ] Mithranda GeeBeen > You will be assploded, Resistance if Futile
[ 2008.02.09 22:58:57 ] Zzelle > /emote is going to die of laughter here
[ 2008.02.09 22:59:17 ] The Groundskeeper > fair enough, you got us
[ 2008.02.09 22:59:18 ] Steve Colbert > i'm going to report you for being a 5 year veteran who sucks balls
[ 2008.02.09 22:59:33 ] Amarr Holymight > and sets up a prophecy that bad :p
[ 2008.02.09 23:00:03 ] Deadford > this is an alt its all i couldfit
[ 2008.02.09 23:00:23 ] Amarr Holymight > why didn't you use ur main?
[ 2008.02.09 23:01:30 ] Uriq > good job Endie
[ 2008.02.09 23:01:31 ] Sebiestor Helm > He was collecting ingots to get his blacksmithing skill up ?
[ 2008.02.09 23:01:41 ] Morriand A'resse > Corp Por?
[ 2008.02.09 23:02:19 ] Steve Colbert > wow, we can't even buy a fucking soda with the money we got out of you
[ 2008.02.09 23:02:26 ] Alasara > Kal vas flam

[Reg]

That's hysterical. I'll never understand why people insist on embarassing themselves like that. :)

[Falconeer]

[ 2008.02.09 22:55:57 ] Deadford > yeah this is an alt ive been in eve since 2003

[ 2008.02.09 22:56:18 ] Steve Colbert > i've been in for 2 weeks, and you're the one who is dead
[ 2008.02.09 22:56:33 ] Steve Colbert > that's poetic justice


There are so many quotable things in there, but I think this perfectly sums up what Frigate Club is about. Good job guys 

And remember:

[ 2008.02.09 22:55:00 ] Deadford > sriously you are dead meat

[Endie]

Bhodi, cheers for the video and the chatlog.

The video is really worth downloading and watching in full screen, rather than using the web-based version.  Partly because it looks good - the blue circles (which I think are RSDs) from the orbiting ships are particularly cool, near the end).  But also because it is useful to see what we were doing.  Half the folks are orbiting, and are therefore never going to get hit my a newish character in a battlecruiser with medium lasers.  But the other half were sitting still and if he had had the chance (and awareness) to lock a few of those he could have one-shotted each.

Really, do set a default orbit (right-click on the orbit button on the overview when you have something selected) so that you click that and immediately go to an orbit near your weapons' optimal range).  Against ships like that it will make you really hard to hit.

Basically, though, people were getting really smooth by the one hour mark.  That moa was piloted by a well-established character but everyone got there really quickly: it was a murderous ball of buzzing fury that he will have seen coalescing around him.  Belt-checking was smooth and fast, and got us two of the three kills.  We evaded the Art of War guys who were clearly set up to repeat their exploits of last time, and everyone moved very quickly through the systems when we put on a sprint to shake them off.  As FC, that was the bit I found most exciting/nerve-wracking, funnily enough: I really wanted to get people through without big losses this time (sorry Bhodii!).

If you look carefully at the target icon at the top-middle-right, you can see that he takes a lot of damage, fast.  You can also see that the ECM ships have him jammed (the fourth coloured bar, smaller than the rest, counting down) for most of the fight, stopping him targetting.

If there is still the interest I'll run another of these in a couple of weeks, maybe in another spot this time.  In the meantime, do spend a few hours getting your concord rating up a bit by flying round belts in 0.5 and 0.6 systems and killing all the NPC rats you can find.

Finally, big thanks to Amiable, for the scouting, and to Amarr, for relaying commands into gang chat really efficiently.

[Slayerik]

Steve Colbert > i hope your main is a fucking death star

i loled

Due to extreme hangover I passed yesterday, but sounds like good fun. I look forward to the next.

[Akkori]

/startwhine
Two weeks! Dangit!

 If we can have a similar experience next time, I may have a new player joining. He's in WoW now, but might be interested in taking a break.

[amiable]

Most fun i had playing EvE, ever. 

I'm already jonesing for the next OP, and considering dumping my training regimen and learning how to fly ceptors....

[lac]

it looks good - the blue circles (which I think are RSDs) from the orbiting ships are particularly cool, near the end).

Those are warp disruptors.

Another great op. Well lead and good job on that last warp-in. I'm looking forward to our next gankfest.

[Kamen]

Mad props on your frig op guys.  That chatlog had me laughing my ass off 

[Endie]

it looks good - the blue circles (which I think are RSDs) from the orbiting ships are particularly cool, near the end).

Those are warp disruptors.

Doh.  Shows how often I play eve with any effects at all turned on: in the south you always have to make sure you use ctrl-shift-alt-e, ctrl-shift-alt-t before fights.

[Quinton]

If there is still the interest I'll run another of these in a couple of weeks, maybe in another spot this time.  In the meantime, do spend a few hours getting your concord rating up a bit by flying round belts in 0.5 and 0.6 systems and killing all the NPC rats you can find.

I definitely am up for doing this again.  It was great fun.

How large are these rats that can actually make a dent in your standings and
is there any hope of taking them solo in a frigate or will I need to get into something
larger or join up with people to make this work?  The little belt rats (~8K bounty) in
the 0.5 system next to the -BAT- office seemed to result in an 0.005% security boost
after a while (resulting in no visible change to my -0.73 standing).