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Scores and Standings after Game Day #2



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Standings:


Battletech Division

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Cthulhu Division

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Stormbringer Division

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Twilight 2000 Division

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** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20216.0). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20216.0) **

Gruntle, I'm gmt+11, so let me know what's the best time for you to play.

9 Casualties. Let's hope for more!

It's pretty cool that I have the second best thrower in the league despite never having thrown a pass.

(turns out that throwing ball carrying elfs into the crowd counts for yards thrown)

Beardstorm! vs. Alive Not Dead in about 20 minutes or so.  :drill:

Well I lost 1-0, but I killed a werewolf so I'm going to call it a win. Was a long, grindy game with a lot of punching in the face but relatively few actual injuries, just a lot of KOs and stuns.

WHAT!!
WHO DID YOU KILL!!     :drillf:

(I mean, he has apoth. Did the wolf actually die?)

Fuck you Falc.

Fuck you in the ear.  :heartbreak:

So with Ingmar being in the States meaning another 16 hour time difference meant someone was going to have to take one for the team else due to shoulder surgery and travel we wouldn't be able to play until 6th of Feb.

So it being Sunday night Ingmar decides to stay up until I can rush home to play this dreaded match.

It's 3am and it's on.

630,000 gp in inducements and I lose the toss; Ingmar receives and it's a high kick.

His +Agi runner makes the catch easy and it's a brawl in the middle.

My first action is to blitz the bitch Zara and Hobbes knocks her out cold. She doesn't come back until the 16th turn making it an easy 1 turn appearance paycheck.

Ingmar has knocked out Dominic the Interceptor from the line of scrimmage and Blitzes Hobbes with his Bort the Mighty Blow blitzer. The cunting stumpy rolles 11 for Armour break and 10 + 1 to Kill hobbes. He fails to regen and thus ends Hobbes the Tigger.

He then badly hurts Atarin but he is made of sterner and stickier stuff and regenerates.
Ingmar than makes an accidental long range dash with his 4 agi runner with the ball making an unnecessary but easy dodge and is seemingly out of reach of any of the fast cornerbacks with Hobbes dead, Calvin unconscious and Atarin waiting on the sidelines. A quick score looked likely for BeardStorm.

However the zombie horde takes down the runner with 1 die blitzes and swarms the pair of runners forcing them to pick up the ball again and again before Dominic the Dirty Interceptor puts a well placed kick to the eye of Haiz the Agile.

Meanwhile The Hound and GREGOR have been keeping dwarves busy in the center of the field and slowly the ball crawls up to the Dwarf TD line.

Benson fails to make 2 dodges out of 2 turns in a row with 0 rerolls and First half is 0-0 with both sides with massive casualties (mine permanent :heartbreak:)

However as said earlier the bitch Zara remains lazily asleep and Alive Not Dead have a 2 Player advantage with a deep bench and Bloodweiser failing to wake the stumpy dwarves.

It's a slow grind to 1-0 with a foul every turn by Rob the Dirty but with no long term damage.

A great game to keep Alive not Dead at the top even without their beloved stuffed tiger  :heartbreak:

(Seriously my best game played I think ever)

Great game, and Ingmar is the epitome of sportmanship; staying up late, killing Hobbes, taking fouls and always (but vainly) attempting to win.

I love Blood Bowl.  :drill:

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Suspense!!!

Game summary updated, and I'll be eagerly watching results on the sidelines. (Go Hoax, Megrim and Reborne!)  :drill:

Wow. Our first not-level-1 player to die is arguably the best (level 4, and second most SPs overall) in the whole League. The Graveyard is all of a sudden stenched with hall of fame blood.  :awesome_for_real:

Sucks to be dead eh? *gloat*

Sucks more to be on one point  :drill:

Reborne's Wrestlers vs Team Snoosnoo ends in a tie. Overweening hubris is the order of the day as Snoosnoo inexplicably tried to become a passing team only to have star passer Jerkface, drunk on squig wine, miss EVERY SINGLE THROW he attempted. It was a slow, grinding, crushing affair throughout. It ends 1-1 and the orc fans pelting Coach Brocktoon with offal on his way out the stadium.

Oh special note, Black Orc blocker Jessie received a Smashed Collar Bone for a -1 Strength. He of course then receives the game MVP (no doubt weighted heavily by call in votes from the Orcs trying to embarrass Brocktoon) and levels up, thereby putting his assured cutting from the team in doubt.

Yeah that was a game full of pushing and fumbles.

Realized that about 5 minutes after the game that I forgot to use my wizard and that if I had there is a good chance I would have lost.

Sid Vicious, the only Ogre I have with a level, was putting his Break Tackle to good use and was taken out because of it, spending the rest of the match face down in the injury pen, leaving The Undertake to shine and take the MVP. (No level yet.)

In the end it was the snotlings that made all the difference for me, Modern Angel couldn't catch a break (except for the fractured skull) and spent most of the match knocking them into slightly better positions.

Match uploaded to BBManager, for anyone that wants to see what a snotling looks like when they score, it may not happen again this league  :awesome_for_real:

The best part about that foul on your ogre is that if I had hit B to blitz, push and score instead of getting a phone call from my father, which distracted me and made me just do a standing block, I never foul that guy.

I accept all major forms of payment.  :grin:

If I had to point to one thing that caused my loss to Llyse, it was all the guys with guard going up against my unleveled dudes who don't have it yet. I could have done better on KO recovery rolls given I had a bloodweiser babe, too, but really the guard made it difficult for me to get the blocks I needed.

Inducement results:

Zara - KOed on Turn 1, but at least she KOed Calvin before she went. Unfortunately she didn't make her KO recovery roll at halftime (and Calvin made his). I still think this was a good buy considering her potential to stab every turn with a +1 vs Llyse's team, at no risk of causing a turnover, and she has jump up so ideally you won't have to burn your blitz on the stab often.
Halfling Master Chef - stole 0 rerolls first half, stole 3 rerolls second half. I really could have used those to be switched around. Not totally sure how I feel about this one.
Bloodweiser Babe - I had enough left over to grab one of these, who didn't help much at all afaik. Having multiples would have been better for sure.

Oh wow, fucking love league play!

So one of the mighty has fallen at last, leave it to the Dwarves to get that bit of business done.


Ha ha! /nelson

Fucking Ruvaldt calling the Ogre team earning a tie against the best Orc team on paper nice work! That game by the way makes the race for the Stormbringer title a whole hell of a lot more interesting and heaps more pressure on the contenders to pick up points on Snoosnoo this week especially one time playoff favorites Morsel who are still looking to earn their first points of the season.

Man, I'm not looking forward to playing Ingmars team on day 4.

If anything that tie taught me an extremely valuable lesson about orcs and throwing.

Stratos 2 Me 0

I would also like to announce the recruitment of his Lineman that decided that our dental benefits were far better than the Norse team and will be joining me as a rotter.  :grin: Nuffle only hated me for half the game this time, and I did pretty well in breaking armour rolls. Game took place totally in my half of the pitch.

Game uploaded.

Just finished some bloody business with Sir T's Harbringers of Homeopathy.

He starts by going on a shopping spree with something like 630k in inducements. A wizard, some chefs, I don't know what else.

Game starts with the Norse receiving a kickoff. I knock some Nurgle around and bring the ball up the sidelines with one of my star runners. On their first turn, the rotters proceed to decimate my front line, sending one off with a KO, and another lineman off for the game with a minor injury. I bring the ball further up the sidelines, tossing a rotting hulk into the crowd on my way. The Nurgle then clog up the lanes, and a melee ensues. Even while down a few men, the mighty Norse manage to punch a hole in line and sprint to victory. Norse score late in the half, to go into halftime up 1-0.

At some point after kickoff, things get a bit dicey for the Norse who insist they hold Diplomatic Immunity for assaults on the pitch. At some point around the middle of the game, one of the star Norse berserkers injures his groin as he is launched into the crowd. All the apothecary is able to do is keep it from getting any worse, nearly pinching a nerve in the process. Just another block with broken armor, which has been a running theme thus far for the Nurgle. On the very next Nurgle play, a foul against the standout lineman and previous killer As the Mad, his armor is broken. This time, with the apothecary having departed after fulfilling his contract, the wound is tragically fatal, and a rising star bleeds out on the pitch.

However, this seems to inspire the up to now listless Norse, and the proceed to do what they do best - Smash Faces. They manage to put most of the Nurgle on their faces, and eventually forcibly take the ball back, breaking a Nurgle player's leg in the process. Near the end of the game, a rookie werewolf is able to pick up the ball and sneak it into the endzone among the ensuing melee - quietly and quickly enough so as to not alert the wizardly Nurgle fan hiding in the stands until the game is over.

Norse win 2-0, but pay dearly for it with their blood and their lives:

1 Badly Hurt lineman.
1 Berserker out next game with a groin pull.
1 level 2 lineman out with a career-ending injury.

Sir T, for not knowing what he's doing (so says him) certainly made me work for it. Also, he made tons of rolls in the first 3/4's of the game. Armor break percentage will be interesting to look at.

I'd like to say Strazos played very well, and I enjoyed the match. According to BBmanager my Beast of Nurgle is now at level 2, which is a nice surprise. My Pesitigitor is out for the next game, but Rotters are almost as good at handling the ball anyway. And my team now stands at 13, so I'll actually have someone on the sub bench next game. Woo.

The norse were a really hard team to fight. Every clown having block is not easy to go toe to toe with and eventually pretty much all my guys were seeing stars. Again though, it was a fun game.

{edit} Actually its one of my rotters that's out. Heh.

{moar edit} Actually i think it was one of the 2 free rotters I got for starting 2 men down. Which means he wasn't coming back anyway  :grin:

Also according to BBM, while Sir T blocked a lot less than I did, he certainly made it count when he did - a 50% armor breakage rate. :ye_gods:

Also, I don't think one of my inflicted injuries counted, as it was inflicted on a tackle, not a block.

Dang people, use your wizards! Cages = the perfect size for a fireball.


(Okay okay, so I have Inducement Envy. Not that I'm complaining about being in the lowest-TV league... but I do love a good lightning bolt.)

Dandies 1 - 0 Rat Country

I'm a bit disgusted with Nuffle right now, and, frankly, pissed off that I lost.  Bann played a good game, but I honestly just don't feel as if I deserved a loss on this one.  I'll let Bann describe the slaughter if he wants, or you can watch the replay yourself.  It was one of those games where you make the right moves, but not only do you fail, you also fall down and get injured in the process.  I honestly don't know how many times I rolled double 1s on everything from dodges to blocks, but I was clearly shooting for a record.  It was like a nightmare that I couldn't wake up from.

Dandies 1 - Rat Country 0

Match has been uploaded to BBM.

Bloody, bloody monday. I think the rats finished with 4 or 5 on the pitch, and both apothecaries saved death rolls. I can think of a few obvious mistakes I made off the top of my head, so Im sure I made probably 3x that amount. It seems luck > good. I knew early my plan was to try a slow stomp, and not open myself up for a 2-1 game. It only sort of worked, as I didnt score by the half, but I had reduced the amount of rats on the pitch. That trend continued in the 2nd half, and I was able to recover the ball and score on turn 14. I had tried out a stupid formation to open the 2nd half, and then moronically left it for my 2nd kickoff, after seeing it gashed. It came within a dodge roll or 2 of costing me the match, but the dice had been against the rats all day, and that continued at the end.

TLDR - Dandies win. Human Ogre's favorite food is tenderized rat meat.

Bad luck ruvaldt. I know how you feel when you have one of those days.

Still in contention for the playoffs with 4 points on the board.

It could be worse, you could have dwarves in your division  :pedobear:

Jerkface. I'm going to kill both Calvin and benson.

It was a knock-down, drag-out fight to a 1-1 tie between the 7 Deadly lizard team and Ice Cream Emperor's Negative Capability necromantics (good job Falc on calling that one). Game was too all over the place to recount, really, just lots of beating and running around and then beating some more - my skinks forgot that they weren't sauruses for a good portion of the game. Play of the game for me was my skink ball carrier blitzing away from one werewolf's claws, and into another werewolf's face for what would have been a killing blow if it weren't for a regeneration roll. Touchdowns were on turns 8 and 16 and we needed every moment. We each made one or two play errors, and the game could have gone vastly differently if it weren't for any number of crucial rolls.

Replay is uploaded.

Now that I've cooled down a little I can recognize some mistakes that I made that could have prevented me from at least tying, but I still think nuffle kicked me in the groin.  Succeeding on 8/16 dodge rolls as a Skaven team is murder, and I never dodge into tackle zones, and rarely dodge without the skill.

Oh well.  Now I have to hope I can limp through the next game and at least force a tie.  One of my star gutter runners is out along with a lineman that I liked.  I bought a third gutter runner named Doctor Gonzo, which brings me up to 11 players, but I won't have a bench.  I'm just thankful that I saved Sebastian Owl from a -1 STR injury.  Now that would've been painful.

Negative Capability tie with 7 Deadly 1-1.

This was a fair result from a pretty even game, but I feel frustrated nonetheless as I lost an opportunity to score early in the first half, which could very well have turned the tables overall. My scouting report on ezrast's second game -- where I commented on his ball-carrying skinks' extremely aggressive behaviour -- nearly came back to haunt me, as a ball-carrying skink blitzed my werewolf early in the first half and would have put him out of the game if not for a timely Regeneration roll. My regeneration luck continued from last game and reached a peak when another my other werewolf was nearly killed by a blitzing Saurus, so I really can't complain about my injury luck overall, despite the fact that my opponents continue to roll nearly 50% casualties on the injury table. (The average being 25% for those wondering.)

As I said to ezrast in-game, it often feels to me like I am coaching a particularly slow Skaven team -- though I did eventually manage to get 5 Lizards in the injury box (4 skinks and 1 saurus, with the only permanent injury a niggling one to ezrast's Catch skink), most of them were the result of failed dodge rolls or sideline push-outs. In other words, emphatically NOT the result of my completely limp-wristed team actually blocking something, proper-like. Though the Dodgy ways of the Skinks definitely played into this, there seemed to be quite a bit of pushing going on, a fact thankfully confirmed by BBManager. (My favourite thing about BBManager is its ability to confirm/deny paranoid feelings concerning the dice, since everything gets exaggerated in-game.)

In any case I rolled another 6 on my winnings and look forward to adding a bit more speed to the lineup for next game -- though at the rate my AV8 players get injured, I don't expect my ghouls to survive very many games.

Ouch, sorry Nix...

Holy shit.

Lost the screenshot of me alt+tabbed surfing Facebook with LOTRO login screen waiting.

That's the spirit!   :awesome_for_real:

One the one hand, I feel like an asshole for pushing so hard for extra TD's even after it was obvious I won.  On the other hand, the mechanics basically say I'm a dumb ass gimping myself if I don't go for as many spp's as I can (also TD's count towards tie breakers, right?).

 :|

At least you're in a matching time zone! How novel is that!

(You are in the Bay Area somewhere, right?)

Well, they say the best thing to do when you're losing is laugh. I guess the complement to that is that the best thing to do when you're winning is be as ruthless and unforgiving as possible.

I know what you mean about feeling bad, but every TD counts (you are correct, they are tiebreakers) and the random nature of the game means any shown mercy can come back to haunt you. He can always get back at you next season.

Anyway, it serves NiX right for giving one of my skinks -1 str. :why_so_serious:

Also, these words will come back to haunt me when I play Llyse next game.

Match report please for people at work...  :awesome_for_real:

7 - 0, Hippies.

There was 1 injury, and 1 knock out I think.  Uh, I got some lucky rolls in the beginning, and he got some very unlucky rolls, and it just sort of went downhill for him.  Later in the 2nd half, he was pretty much just trying to kill my important players, like Naeltor....

I'll write up something later, but thats pretty much it.  My Wood Elves just kept running through his defenses over and over again....

Oh my god.  :ye_gods:

Golly indeed. I've seen 6 scores in a game a number of times, but I don't think I've seen 7 before. A big win that puts you in a good place to get out of the group. I mean after all, you've played the two hardest matchups all ready...  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, fuck this game. My cat spills my glass of water (no pun intended), losing me one turn of the few times I had possession. Then I misclick the apoth and take a -1 str for no reason at all. Then proudft beats the absolute shit out of my guys.

So, I'm not finding this game fun anymore. It wasn't even that much fun beating the shit out of Haem, since I felt bad for him, and everyone else in this division is actually good at the game, and apparently I'm very bad.

Right now I don't see sticking around for another season, though I guess I won't be a dick and quit now though I'd rather go do chores than sit through four more of tehse fucking games. I don't even remember what the score was.

Beetles 2-0 over Bashtards.  I won the toss, elected to receive, which is not my usual plan with these slow-ass undead hulks, but my theory was not so much to get the ball first but to hit his dudes first and take some down, as it was bashy vs. bashy, with me being more bashy.

That concept was probably flawed due to orc armor, as the first few turns was just a bunch of knockdowns and standing back up.  However, I did manage to score in the first half and prevent the orcs from scoring (couple of failed orc dodges helped here), so things were looking ok.

Second half went totally poorly for Sky.  His cat caused a problem at some point leaving him with like 20 secs on his first turn (I got confused as well because he somehow failed a pass on that turn but didn't lose his turn -- a reroll, I guess, but it was confusing), and then I nailed a Blitzer for a -1 Str injury and he misclicked the apothecary (though, I dunno, I personally would have prrrrobably taken that injury and saved the apothecary for a death since there were several turns left, but what can I say, mummies don't believe in apothecaries anyway).

Anyhoo, he got pretty demoralized after that, and a skeleton managed to grab the ball at some point and make a second touchdown, and that was about that.

Replay is uploaded.

Eh, good rolls wouldn't have changed a thing. The fact that you had 7-8 MA with most your players and the ability to walk past anyone you wanted won the game. I didn't realize until I got bored and started clicking that most of your team outleveled mine. The large amount of petty cash means shit all to a starter team like mine against any experienced team, which is why I spend my time trying to injure/kill opposing players. I'm not as butthurt as Sky, but I'm definitely not seeing the league appeal right now. I much prefered my casual match with Strazos. I lost pretty bad to him, but still had fun.

It's a tough learning curve when you're down TV on an experienced played. Obviously at this point you'll only overcomethat if your team gets some experience or the league is reset. Tele is a very hard matchup though. His team can score at will against nearly anyone, let alone a new team.

Well, to be fair, I think the leveling didn't make a difference either.  I think the only skill I gained from leveling that I actually used against you much at all was the kick on my lineman (which is rather important to wood elves).  Strip ball and all that were never used, and my QB with Accurate only threw twice in the entire game, on fairly easy throws.  As you mentioned, I just basically dodged through all your tackle zones, which is a feature of wood elves from the start (as is the 7-8 MA, haven't gotten a MA skill up on anybody yet).  So I think a lot of it did come down to unfavorable rolls for you (as well as not quite knowing how to fight against a fast team vs. a bashy team).  I've tried similar risky things in other games, and I fell on my ass every damn time.  I mean hell, on the opening drive, my War Dancer triple dodged around the side, and hit your ghoul with the one thing that could take him down (1/6 chance) and then the ball bounced off your mummy and landed on the other side of your line of men, allowing me access.  Even I was like, "now that's bullshit right there."

Though the Treeman did save me I think.  I only just purchased him right before the match, and he provided a nice wall in the center against your mummies.  There would have been a lot more injured wood elves otherwise.....

Anyways, sorry again, hope it didn't kill enjoyment of the league too badly.  Its just one of those games you have to play for a bit of time before you can really get the hang of things.  And you were getting fucked pretty hard by the dice.

Two tips:
1.)  While its tempting to bash elves, do all your non strategic blocks (in other words, going down the line and using your mummies to smash linemen) last.  Do other important movements first, and always do those blocks last.  Rolling double skulls isn't that uncommon, and if you get a TO early, it fucks you against a fast team like wood elves.
2.)  The only thing you should do even later than your blocks against line men:  Fouling.  Never do that early (as you saw).  Also, never foul with an important player.  Use one of your throw away zombies.  Also, its probably not worth it to try fouling the Treeman, since he has very high armor.  Squish a squishy elf. 

I watched part of the replay, and of the turns I watched, it seemed that Nix was not putting his players in to base to base contact with Teleku's players.  In my mind this would seem like the wrong thing to do, as it allows the wood elves free reign to run about the pitch, where as being toe to toe would force them to either block the stronger, bashier team, or force more dodge rolls in the hopes that someone fails one eventually, and also potentially burning up his 1 reroll. 

Am I incorrect in this assumption?

No, that's pretty much it. If you're playing a team that relies on mobility to win then you have to make them roll a dice every time they want to move. You'll take a few more blocks on the chin but if the opposition isn't particularly bashy then that can also be an invitation for a turnover.

Generally speaking yes, though it can depend a lot. Never mark someone deep with one guy if the other unit has dodge as they only need one tz-less dodge to get free, better to mark with two, or mark loose, which forces them to go around, blitz, or make a number of dodges in the tz. If you do mark them then do so in a way that they have to go back to dodge out TZ free. Generally you want to play a line with strength players marking their team which they have to hit through or dodge back from, with a loose field behind to stop a single blizt opening up your backfield in an unstoppable way.

Low mobility teams will get caught out if they don't leave a player or two deep to take care of such things.

Tackle and diving tackle are great ways to mess up dodge reliant teams.

I am sincerely sorry for those who are not having fun anymore. Usually, knowing you AND your team are making a progress is enough to keep the ball rolling, no matter the results, and that's why we retained all the 14 players from Season #2 including those who came last in their divisions. Blood Bowl is a game where you lose a lot even when you are the better player or you have the better team, so if that is upsetting then I am fairly sure it won't ever get better for you. Sucks.

Necco coach is still rather groggy from a weekend trek to Chicago to see his other team emerge victorious.  Hopefully he will recover in time for this week's must win against Falc's 'zons.

To the guys not having fun at the moment. Bloodbowl can be one of the most frustrating games you will play. In season 2, I came in dead last scoring only one point in the whole competition. Sometimes that was because I made some rookie mistakes, sometimes it was because my opponent just outplayed me and sometimes it was because BB figured my balls could use some blunt force trauma. Despite that, I'm having fun in the new league.

My advice is to play a bit of single player to test out different team configurations and get used to evaluating the danger levels of various actions and also make a whole bunch of teams to play online against other f13ers outside the league. It is harsh to get curbstomped twice in a row by teams that you don't feel you had a chance against but it gets better.

Watch AndyDavo's next game - he's going in with half a team, he'll have a bunch of guys with no skills, no upgrades, no spares and a good percentage of his bench will be loners. I still think he will do better than many veteran teams with fully fit line-ups. This game is 33% luck, 33% team, 33% player and 1% chaos.

I fouled with the intent of him being ejected. At that point I had given up any hope of coming back and wanted to make sure I didn't lose another Wight.

I'm not sure which turns you watched then. The one thing you're missing is once he successfully rolls the dodge, which he did about 95% of the time, they have free range of your back end. Someone said to leave a guy or two back to make up for that, but that seems like a tactic best left for another style of team, especially given that in the game I played it would have meant Tele had the option to pile on the 4-5 guys who made it past my line and cause injuries. I'd rather just attempt to hurt his stragglers then suffer another loss on my already struggling line.

You can throw as much advice at me all you want, but it won't matter. I'll never watch a replay, read the rules or a guide. I simply boot up the game, see how the first few turns go and decide how I'll play from there.

I agree with Nix about playing to not get killed. At one point I was basically trying to keep my guys away from those goddamned tomb guardians, the middle of the field was just locked up and I couldn't make any blocks...reminding me of my game with Comstar. Of course, that's when I started failing dodge rolls left and right, I really just stopped having fun and wanted the game to be over halfway through, the tomb guardians just completely shut down anything I could do. Three (or was it four) big guys without loner or really stupid? Right.

And to Iain's comment about luck/team/skill, I agree. It's just that apparently I am so far behind in the skill category I'm just relying on dice rolls. My strategy sucks, I have no idea how to do good formations, how to react to formations, how to set up defensively down the field in reaction to offensive setups. My gameplay sucks, I didn't know you could blitz someone right next to you so that you could then move after blocking - I saw someone mention hitting B here yesterday and wondered what that meant, then proudft kept doing that to me. Comstar probably did, too, but I was even more of a raw newb.

It just feels like I'm so far behind the curve and while on one level the team being behind doesn't bug me -too- much, facing someone dominant like Comstar when almost his entire team has blodge just isn't fun. As my first game, I made the best of it and just tried to goof off, and the dice were mostly friendly. But then facing proudft and seeing Iain and other vets on the calendar, it just looks like a season of getting battered with one shining moment of smashing Haem, which wasn't fun because I mostly beat him on his newbness, and I know how it feels to be on the receiving end of that.

Maybe it's like Nix said, I just want to play to have fun. We have folks here who are studying strategies and laying out probability tables for events. It sucks being a dick-punching-bag for those people.

edit - and the stupid mistakes were just so beyond the norm for me, too. When I fumbled the pass, I figured I had time to clean up that spill, then looked at the screen and noticed the timer on my side of the scoreboard. And then misclicking the injury because that was deep in the 'I don't give a shit' part of the game, that was the turning point to me actively disliking the experience. I didn't check to see how much funds I had left, I guess I have a new punching bag blitzer, maybe I'll get lucky and he'll die soon.

Hit me up on Steam sometime Sky if you want to just play some random spot games and I can try and explain some of the basics to you. A lotof it is just knowing what your team can get away with and what you have to risk. A lot of the time your best defence against big guys for example is to simply ignore them. They are bad at picking up the ball, worse at throwing and generally aren't too mobile. It's easy to get your whole team sucked into a fight around one trying to knock him over and that's their biggest strength. If they need to burn the blitz every time they throw a block then they become a lot less worrisome.

If you are very frustrated with a certain game, I think there's no point in just making it worse, and it can be acceptable to just concede at around halftime. You say that to your opponent through chat, you go in the menu and hit "abandon game". That way he gets lots of money and two MVPs while you get no MVP at all. It's a harsh punishment for the conceding coach (usually even when you lose you get your 5 SPPs), but if that is what will save you the frustration of a wasted 45 minutes, then for dog's sake go for it.

Not sure about Sky, but I'll endure the rest of the game on the off chance I can kill or seriously maim one of the opposing teams players. In the interim I'll just curb my frustration by alt tabbing out, ignoring any moves they made and continuing to try and ruin faces that happen to be within range of my feet.

I'll probably sign up for Season 4 too, but with an even more bashy team.

To be honest the first couple of games I spent mostly reading stuff on my laptop. It not really fun to have your teeth repeatedly smashed in when there is literally nothing you can do, and to all those who were talking about how wonderful and strategic the experience would be all I can say is i told you so.

That said, the last game against Strazoz I was involved in the game all the way through and I enjoyed it I have to say. But there was never ever a feeling that I could actually win this.

Were you talking to him over voice? Maybe that's the key. Could also be that he plays very modestly, so it distracts me from the fact that I'm being demolished and possibly even kept the slightest bit of hope that I could do something, so I didn't totally remove myself from the game.

On another note, did I upload the replay through BBManager correctly for that match?  I normally just passed them directly to Falc, so not sure..

No, we were chatting through in game chat.

Honestly for new teams, playing to kick the shit out of your opponent for SPPs and not really worrying so much about winning is not the worst idea ever, if you keep your team for s4.

It is possible for the new teams to be competitive against the old, but it does take some pretty sharp play and obviously some teams are more suited to playing with a TV mismatch than others, just as some are easier to understand strategically for new players (Nurgle for example is not the first team I would recommend to someone new to the game, doubly so with a TV deficit.)

The main thing is though that you can't really expect to jump into a 32 team league with a lot of experienced players and not get your ass kicked for a while before you kind of grok the way the game works - and even then you'll get your ass kicked sometimes.

I know people are venting and not actually asking for advice, but I'm a knowitall loudmouth so I'm going to put this here anyway. These are the kind of mental 'rules' I used when I was playing a different competitive minis game in terms of looking at my own play and improving:

1) Never blame the dice. You'll never learn anything or improve if you chalk up a loss to the dice being against you. There's almost always something else you could have done differently to minimize the impact of bad luck events.
2) Watch what sorts of moves are successful for your opponent and incorporate them into your game. Getting beat by a really good player is the best way to learn in a lot of ways.
3) Criticize your play in your wins as much as in your losses. While you usually can learn more from a loss than a win (see #2), easy wins can create bad habits, watch out for those.

If it makes anyone feel better I have an 0-3 Human team with five deaths in those games and a TV of 600ish.

I don't even know who AndyDavo is playing, but he is by far the best person I've played, like, ever.  So yeah, he has a good chance of winning regardless of what crap he has to pull together and I'd second the replay watch recommendation.

I am venting but I don't mind advice.  :grin:

So, by giving Tele an easy win, I've hurt him in the long run...

I WIN, BITCHES!

Yep, games like that make me way to confident in my ability to dodge to get me through things.  Then a play a game against Llyse, where I make a quarter of the dodges I tried in your game, and not only do they all fail, but the elves get there throats ripped out on the way down.

We'll see how I do next against the tackle heavy Dwarfs.  Its not going to be pretty.   :awesome_for_real:

We'll see. It is so much easier for a little placement mistake to screw you against wood elves, and 2 minute turns means not a lot of time for me to mull over exactly where everyone should be standing...

Stand around his QB. He will do anything to protect that man.

I loaded up on tackle specifically because I have a hard time against Dodge based teams like wood elves.

I really wish there were 3 minute turns. 4 tends to be really long, but half a 2 minute turn is usually spent just trying to figure out what to do, and now that I know how to measure the other team's movement zones, I spend the other half of the two minute turn doing that and testing what my rolls would be and then trying to do the majority of my moves in 20 seconds.

You really need to utilize the time they spend doing their moves. Plan around their play as it goes and sometimes you'll be pleasantly surprised at some of the ideas you get for a play. Also, make sure you hit N and G when the game starts. Life savers!

I'm always happy to play a game and if you tell me in advance that your interested in me pointing out mistakes along the way I'll be happy to do so. I usually don't because often people aren't interested in hearing it.

As for what to do when you are getting smashed. I was playing a game as Norse against Orcs via MM and it was after I had been brutalized by someone who was playing Ogres (I was impressed how badly he kicked my ass) my lineup was very depleted. He then proceeds to make dogmeat of me through the first half, injuring two players. It got to the point that I was letting him score while trying to hurt his guys behind the play and my plan was to play the next kickoff knowing I could get 3 easy blocks then concede the match and move on to the next one.

So he scores on his turn 8 (he received) and I KO two guys before the half. Then at the start of second half a fan hits his troll with a rock taking him out of the game and I KO two more guys on my first turn. This was with the ball sitting 4 spaces from my endzone and me having nobody back there since I was not even expecting to play the game. I spent that entire half with his team on lockdown, I had all of his guys on the ground with me making 2 dice w/ block rolls against him. I did do some damage but in the end I didn't get a TD because I failed to break armor for too long to free up players and it was worth it to me to stop the bleeding and go for +2 ssp rather then risk letting him get a player or 3 up while I picked up the ball.

I'll try to upload the replay and the one of Ogres killing me which I've been meaning to make Reborne watch so he can smash more faces in our division for me.

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That said if you literally can't be bothered to read the rule PDF and the few basic strat tidbits from SA you are probably going to lose because I know I'm going well beyond that in my quest for glory. If you don't put any work into not sucking...

Also if anyone feels humble enough to ask someone who doesn't know anything really (me) to watch their replay and tell them what I saw them do wrong I'd be happy to. Just send me a pm because I'm not going to just reach out randomly to someone I hear or can see from results is struggling I tried that once and it was a big waste of my time.

Also happy to spar with folks. I'm not a pro, I don't memorize probability tables, I ad lib my formations, but I'm willing to give folks a canvas to bounce ideas off of.

Same here, I tried to add the whole league to my friends list. I am going to hit you guys up for some sparring matches. It has been a long time since I last played and I never tried a Chaos team against human opponents.

Heh that's got to be worrying when you KNOW your star players are
Being headhunted.  :drill:

Also i'll chime in that I'm happy to play friendlies if I'm around due to time zone differences.

I love playing scrimmage matches, and can give advice if it is desired, but I'm far from an expert; just someone who has played somewhat casually for a long while.  Please hit me up for games at any time that I'm online, which is a lot less lately now that the semester has started and I have five classes to teach, but I'm still around most afternoons in CST.

In fact, a listing of coach names/steam names of those wanting to play sparring matches might be a good idea for a thread now that we have a subforum. :drill:

I play the game on mm too much, so I'm always up or a game too. Provided you're ok with having half your team killed by goblins.. (I kid)

Peace Dogs 0 - F13 Catfighters 2

Comstar's bitches must have been experiencing their monthly visitors, because only such horrible cramping can be responsible for the lackluster performance they put on against the league's pushover Hair Band, Peace Dogs. The match started with the High Elves losing a player to a rock thrown from the stands while the bitches only had a knockdown from a limply tossed hairbrush. Lots of terrible terrible luck including a fumbled pass on the first turn kept the Catfighters constantly on the back foot. But as the match wore on, even the disdain of nuffle could not keep these experienced ladies down. A late first half score put the bitches up by 1, and an ill-conceived High Elf caging tactic backfired, trapping the ball carrier and running out the first half clock. The second half did not go much better for the High Elves. Their star thrower got ejected for leaving the boot in without even managing to muss his victim's hair. Injuries were at a minimum, though a High Elf blitzer did send one of the ladies into the showers crying. The thought of a luscious Amazon showering must have distracted the mercenary High Elf catcher as he failed to be able to dodge out of a 1 tackle zone situation with the ball and open space all the way to the endzone. Perhaps he thought his check had bounced. Either way, he dropped the ball and it never came back the High Elves way. Whenever they needed a defender down result, they got a stumble instead, a result that was easily shrugged off by the experienced ladies.

Comstar should have mopped the floor with me, but the dice absolutely raped him over and over. His levels definitely helped out, as so many of his players had side step, dodge, block or guard. Two teams of similar TV might have made a seriously different result.

What did you buy for inducements?

I had to buy a catcher because my catcher was injured, I got 2 free linemen I think, I got 2 extra rerolls, an apothecary and a broodweiser babe. The apothecary came in handy as it turned a lineman getting a -1str to a miss the next game. Even with the rerolls, I still needed 1 more.  :awesome_for_real:

In a close fought match where nuffle turns against me for the first time...2-0 Amazons over High Elves.

Nuffle wasn't very pleased with both sides. The elves choose to get some good quality mercs instead of 1 star player, but then lost a linesman on the very first kick off to a rock, and he's out for the next game!

The girls take the kick off...and then fail to pick up the ball twice in a row with a reroll!

But the High Elves are unable to take advantage of this, with the Amazon blogdes and guard players stopping their break through.

I started very overconfident...and suddenly found out it was turn 5 and the High Elves are making a play for a touchdown! This is unheard of. The bottom most ranked team is really pushing me hard because I'm spending too much time thinking 3 moves ahead when I *should* be covering the ball pickup and get the damm ball off the ground.

Luck went bad for both sides- the Helf's rolled skulls on a reroll 3 times. Amazon's failed rerolled dodges.

Eventually I stopped trying to show off and played to win, and got a Touchdown late in the 1st half. The Helf's had badly wounded one of my Blitzers (not seriously) and another Helf was badly hurt. They tried to cage themselves in...but the cage was built too hard and was brittle - they should have spread out more. I also made another mistake by not moving a catcher down field enough to be able to get a second TD in the last turn of the half.

The 2nd half starts with the Elfs picking up the ball...and then being shocked by a 7 move blitzer. I have 2 Blitzers with +1MV - I consider the speed more useful than having a block skill myself.  There was a scrummage for the ball and the Helf's got it back several times. Right when he was wide open and able to go for a touchdown...the Helf Blitzer tripped over a 2+ dodge.  I was able to get the ball and throw a short pass to a catcher who then danced around the end zone for a few turns while I tried to get revenge for almost stopping me get a win and punched most of the elves down to the pitch, though only a KO eventuated.

Twice the Helf's rallied one player and tried for a one die block..and ended up face down on the pitch from a skull. Nuffle was, as usual, a  bitch. The one time the Helf's got a double down...was when they no longer needed it.

My +1 ST Blitzer gets a skill, as does a Lineswomen. So far I have a +1 ST Bltizer, +1 MV Blitzer, +1 MV Blitzer and a +1 AG Lineswomen, so i might get her Frenzy - I've always been scared of those ST 4 Frenzy Werewolves (it's why both Catches have sidestep).

Actually, that catcher was a merc because my real catcher was injured. He'll be back next game.

Yeah, that +1MV really threw me. I figured you had no shot at trying to blitz that ball so deep in my end. That sucked.

I uploaded the file through BBManager, so it should be updated there. Even with the MVP and the injury, I don't think my blitzer leveled.

Morsel 1 - 0 Nifty Helmets.

I might do a write-up later, but briefly; closely fought match, lots of slugging back-and-forth in scrums. Highlights were the Halfling master-chef stealing 5 (!!) rerolls, and Amaza-Goat who thought he was an elf. Gruntle kept up really good physical pressure and forced me to pretty much turtle into a 1-0 grind, despite my attempts at a last-turn 2-0.

Hey don't forget your last turn game-ending interception!

Count me in for random pick-up games, Serious Training Exercises or otherwise. In fact I just created a couple of new Auld League teams today that could use an inaugural face-smashing.

I just rolled up a copy orc team to play scrims with. I guess I put them in the Auld League?

Yeah, that lets you play open games.

Which team is bashy without having too many players stuck with "Bone-head"?

You could try Dwarves or Norse. They seem pretty bashy with few problems like that. Dwarves are slow but rock hard, and nearly every Norse player has block out of the gate which makes them hard to take down.


Yep, sorry about that. I appreciate that you tried, but it would probably have been better a couple of days after when i wasn't totally depressed about the whole thing and smarting from the loss. You were probably right in your advice btw.

Yeah, I'm thinking Dwarves might be what your looking for.  I think almost all of them have tackle (which means the dodge skill doesn't work on them for avoiding a knock down), many have block, troll slayers have frenzy on top of that (gets to throw two blocks per turn if you dont knock down the guy on the first hit), and they have high AV, so their hard to kill.  They are made for bashing the crap out of people.  Norse are good at bashing as well, but there AV is like that of Wood Elves, so their a bit fragile...

Downside is that they are the slowest team, so they are even more vulnerable to fast team exploitation if they don't very quickly cover the ball quickly.  But once you have that down, they are wonder full at just grinding another team to dust.

Basically, if you're having a very hard time with the survival parts of the game, go dwarf. They're absolutely the most noob friendly team. You may not win but you're almost certainly not going to be decimated by injuries.

I hope those people feeling really down don't get too discouraged and quit out. We're halfway through the season at this point so I'd like to see everyone stick it out. I'll still kill as many players as I can, though.

Tackle is actually only on the dwarf linemen, the blitzers, runners, and troll slayers don't have it. Runners lack block to start with. Everyone has thick skull and everyone is AV 8 or 9 so dwarves tend to stay on the field which is nice too (although a knocked-down dwarf can't move very far when he gets up.)

Khemri is actually the 'bashiest' team in terms of total team strength - you can have 4 strength 5 dudes with no 'lose your move' drawback - but dwarves are probably more resilient despite regen on the khemri (they have decay offsetting it to an extent). Norse can dish it out and are faster than dwarves but have low AV so they will take more injuries.

Orc, lizard, chaos or nurgle teams are also extremely bashy and mean once they get some levels on their big line dudes, and don't have too much trouble with bone-head/really stupid on most of their pieces. Orcs also can start off with 4 blitzers who are already great to start with.

You could probably kick a bunch of people's butts with vampires too but they're sort of fiddly due to blood lust.

Sadness!

I was winning 1 to 0 against Avaia, DESPITE my 2 blitzers being unavailable for the game, DESPITE having another blitzer kicked out at the beginning of esecond half, DESPITE being 7 girls against his 11 necros, DESPITE failing all the simplest dodge rolls even though all my players have dodge... and the impossible happened and he evened it out with a lucky skellington picking up a random ball without even nowing exactly what was going on. The girls are unhappy!

So, The Bell Jar Utd. - Necco Waivers 1 - 1

If you want to snoop the replay, fast forward to turn 12 or 13, that's when wacky stuff starts to happen on both sides.

That said, I think my team is still the most underdeveloped of all the veteran ones. I have so many level 1 players still, no level 4, and the only one who leveled up today will be unavailable for Day #4.  :awesome_for_real:

:oh_i_see: Have I mentioned recently how much I hate tomb guardians? Hell, I was bitching about them in the stupid single player game, and the AI is borderline retarded.

Now I remember which wolf had strip ball.  Too bad it took me a half to figure out, even though I was staring at it the whole time.  

Weird match, I didn't play all that well, and 1 die blocks saved my bacon (seemed more effective than two die blocks today, whatevs).  MVP of the game was definitely my tackle zombie.  Not sure I've ever blitzed with a zombie so often before, not to mention counted on one to pick up the ball and score.

They're super slow, so you can usually tie them up with crappy linemen as most teams, especially if you're kicking off to them. Just put your 3 worst linemen on the line with them to absorb the first round of blocks.

Yeah unlike Mummies they don't get Mighty Blow so you can afford try to just take them out of it. Khemri is definitely not the team for any new player you just don't get much to work with. If you are struggling and looking to just cause damage to opponents Dwarves, Orcs, Undead or Nurgle might be the way to go. Though I can't really recommend Nurgle despite their bashyness they are a strange bunch and rather complicated with specific strategies.

If you are struggling just because your getting beaten up but you still want to try to win games not just destroy opposing players just avoid any team that fields AV7 players. There is a world of difference between AV7 and AV8 or even better AV9.

How many games left to play before Game day 3 is done?  

I hunger to unleash my skilled up wood elves get raped by wizards and star players.

Just checked the league and there's 6 matches left to play.

How much did your TV go up anyway?

At home, can't tell.  I leveled up 3 guys (none of them stat increases), so it probably didn't go up that much.  But I'm sure I'm well over 1300 TV now.

I am dreading my next game- Multi block Pro rampaging assassins who are drooling at the thought of killing my 3x+1 MV/+1AG/+1ST star players. The +1 ST Block Dodge Blitzer got Mighty Blow and I doubt she will live long enough to use it.

Blood Bowl seems to hate Cad and I. Connection troubles. As in we can't even connect to start the game.

I'm on a wireless mobile internet thing, so I can't do much about it. Dunno how to get around it. Further research has indicated to me I have pretty much 0.00% chance of being able to forward the ports with this setup, so I will probably have to visit a friend to get this game played.

Might be a few days unless we get lucky, so I hope the rest of you are patient.

Regarding that you should also consider letting Falc know of your time in case he's request to reset your match to replay due to connection issues

No replay issues, haven't even been able to start the game. :(

Who invited who? Last season i couldn't invite anyone without it failing...this season I forwarded the ports and have had no problems inviting the other player.

Tried both, no luck either way.

How do you have them setup? I forwarded them the way I normally forward ports and how it's listed in the Port Forwarding instructions and I still can't start games. Everyone has to invite me.

I have to go .10 for first machine, .11 for the second. If it matters.

Hopefully my game will get done in the next 72 hours but there just hasn't be a lot of available time + 8 hour time difference is a bitch.

I've got my match scheduled for Sunday (due to yet another 8-hour difference), so everyone who hasn't played their match yet can hide behind us as the slowpokes.

Silver Horde 1 - 1 Scarlet and Gray

Silver Horde kick off, with a perfectly placed back corner kick, and roll up a blitz. Ball carrier gets sacked before S&G can gain control, Big Nurker and Ghenghiz Cohen combine to secure the ball and Cohen runs in the early TD.

Rest of the first half has the Orcs held around the scrimmage line, but can't find a hole. In the process 6 norse guys get KO'd, but happily no injuries.

Second half is a repeat with the Horde holding the ball, S&G holding the line. But the Orcs steadily wearing down the Norse team through more KOs, and the loss of Detritus the Yhetee (Badly Hurt), together with an almighty fuckup where the entire Norse team were too drunk to notice it was their turn till there were about 20 seconds left (I WAS ROLEPLAYING YOU SEE) - in their haste, the Norse team did some daft overambitious stuff and would have been better off skipping the whole turn. Over the course of the half the Horde were slowly losing control of the line and lost the ball with just a couple of turns left. Ghenghiz Cohen did have a shot at holding the win on the last turn if he had completed the pickup after a heroic blitzing triple dodge + 1 die block + GFI action with zero rerolls. But fuck BBs pickup rules. S&G end the game by deservedly drawing level with a turn 16 TD.

Gheghiz Cohen, the Norse Beserker was clearly Silver Horde's MVP, but the award inexplicably went to Eric Stronginthearm, who had been largely anonymous but has now reached level 2 anyway. The S&G MVP was Varag Ghoul-Chewer, a star player already being paid 290000 gold for the match and so the MVP is unfortunately no use whatsoever to Hoax, though S&G's Black Orc Big Mean And Ugly did reach level 2 from his casualty points. Both teams will be at full strength for the next match.


In all, the early TD cancelled out against some dodgy second half play by the norse team for a draw.


Also of note, 10 KOs (9 of which were inflicted by S&G), but only one casualty (Detritus badly hurt). Silver Horde made 11 dodges (to S&G's zero of zero attempts). I don't think I've played a match in either season where the Silver Horde have blocked less or dodged more.

Wow, MVP should not be able to go to a merc or star player!

*ahem* facing a team with superior firepower (ST4 on 3, two wolves and one random fuck, we'll get to him in a moment and ST5 on a big guy) not to mention 9 with block (including two of the ST4) meant even with the mighty Ghoul Chewer I was in for a tough one with only four blocks and three ST4's plus the Chewer ST4 + block. Receiving to start the game there were essentially two options. Hold a strong line in the center making sure I had good blocks hopefully to destroy a norse or three before they had a chance to react. Or nothing. It was strong center all the way in my book. Against norse with their plentiful access to frenzy I didn't want to get orcs pinned near the sidelines so I would have to give up the extreme flanks and hopefully crush on the line then create a pocket in the middle and take on all the humie scum as they came. As I set up I looked at the wings and thought boy a blitz would be problematic...  well fuck.

From there in my view essentially everything that could go just right for the norse. Did. Essentially though the free touchdown I handed them all comes back to that stupid random norse with ST4. I am setup to get Troy the thrower out of my endzone when I suddenly realize that a block I need that should be 2 dice is only 1, confused I recount assists and then realize, THIS RANDOM FUCKING NORSE IS LEVEL 27 AND HAS ST4! Downhill from there. End up needing a 1 die against block to get the thrower out on a blitz. Skull. Skull. Fuck me sir, have a touchdown.

The blitz was going to fuck me no matter what and I think I'd lay odds on him scoring once it was rolled but it would have been nice to not have everything go so south so early.

I then proceed to block the everliving shit out of the horde. I mean I was smashing faces in left and right. Not a single goddamn injury. I ended the half with it must have been six KO'd on the norse side. Four of which promptly get up. Luckily Scarlet and Gray aren't the type to give up or stop stomping faces. So despite whatever eldrich steroids and special brew the norse had used that made them immune to damage I still concussed their whole damn team. AGAIN. For the second time and managed to get my touchdown.

Worst injury dice ever.

Oh, didn't you know? Nuffle issued a specific decree to make sure MVP ALWAYS goes to mercs, star players and most of all dead blokes.

I don't know why but I keep laughing like an idiot every time I read this.
By the way, the guy is the infamous Truckle the Uncivil, one of the most popular players in the League. He gets all the girls with his fancy fur speedo and a penchant for crippling enemies.

Truckle the Uncivil is away in our Hubward retreat, having his injuries tended by the Silver Horde's squad of carefully selected Bloodweiser Valkyries. He will be back hoovering up all the MVPs from Day 4.

Hoax is referring to Immortal Jenkins, a recent hire and thrower by trade. He picked up a TD against Rebourne's Wrestlers last game - this inspired him to such a degree that his extreme training regime has pushed him up to STR4.

How have people not killed more of your players? They are Armor 7 damn it. What dark gods have you contracted with?

Also, if you had had two ST4 randoms on the field I might have cried a team with three ST4 + block players with decent move is just too much. I think that your TV reflected you having him, in which case I say that the inducement system is just not at all enough and I feel much more sympathy for underdog teams.

I am very sad that I did not give my players funny names; I didn't know better, and went with random pre-genned names.

Also, I can explain how more Norse have not died - we typically punch people in the face and get them off the field before our armor breaks down...random lucky fouls aside. :grin:

The Silver Horde are known for their extensive experience in the field of not dying. Their TV is up to a worrying 1650.

Touching wood desperately now, but none have fallen since the beginning of the f13 league. Old Vincent does suffer from a gammy knee if that makes you feel any better.

I'd just like to point out that Norseman Az the Mad, formerly of Team Strazoz, is currently very happy on my roster. Really...  :oh_i_see:

Just give him beer and babes - worked for me...though blood and brains may now be in order. :grin:

Bloodweiser babe brains, if such things exist.

This screenshot (http://www.xoduz.org/files/bilder/BloodBowlLegendary_2011-01-29_15-57-51_001.jpg) pretty much sums up my experience of my game vs IainC today, though he did score another touchdown in the last turn of the game for a 0 - 2 victory.

Xuri and I played our game just now. I have to feel bad for Xuri as the game can't have been much fun for him. I opted to receive and the usual scrimmage line brawl developed. Things were looking a bit dicey for me as the Werewolf and Yehtee combined with the general bashiness of an experienced Norse team looked to be getting the best of things. I lobbed the ball upfield to a receiver in a tacklezone, Xuri failed the interception, I made the catch and the subsequent dodge to score an early TD four turns in. For the rest of the half I sat back and broke any Norse who crossed the halfway line. In fact this policy worked so well that not only did I prevent Xuri from equalising but, when I kicked to him at the start of the second half I was only facing 7 Norsemen.

The second half kickoff result was a blitz and I got a linesman under the ball and enough of a screen to save him from getting bundled. The fact that Xuri had no spare bodies definitely helped here. The Norse got a blitz on the ball carrier but only managed a push. I easily blitzed the Norse tackler away in my turn and got the ball carrier safe just a few squares short of the end-zone. From there it was a depressing tale if you were a Norse fan. The Dark Elves used their numerical superiority and the blades of the Assassins to pile in on a team that had already been beaten. By the last turn of the game the Norse injury bench looked like this:


I threw a last, ineffective blitz against the only Norse standing and one of only three still on the pitch then walked in the second and final TD.

Sorry to Xuri who didn't do anything wrong but just never seemed to be in the game. He did have appalling luck on Wild Animal rolls for his Yehtee - I think he only made two or three all game before it went to go have a nap some time around turn 12. On the other hand he threw a few one dice and two dice against blocks that all worked out for him. The game is being uploaded to BB manager as we speak.

Edit: According to BB manager he made 7/14 Wild Animal rolls which is exactly average. I got through his armour 14 times out of 30 rolls while he had 34 rolls against my armour but only broke through 12 times. He failed 2/3 KO rolls while I made both of the rolls I had to take. Other than that, the dice were fairly even. I didn't fail any of the eight dodge rolls I made in the match while the Norse Block dice were more effective than the Elven ones (59% success as opposed to my 43%) despite my average dice per block being marginally higher.

7/14 is quite a lot worse than average if a reasonable number of blocks/blitzes were in there.

I tried not to leave him with an open Block so he'd have been burning blitzes for the most part if he wanted to have the 2+ WI roll. A lot of the failed rolls in the first half were while the Yehtee was on the floor. According to the log, the Yehtee combined WI with block three times and succeeded on all of those. So, 3/3 on a 2+, 4/11 on a 4+ which is marginally worse than average but not massively so. The main problem was that a lot of them were failed consecutively so the Yehtee stood around doing nothing for significant chunks of the match.

Man, that's brutal.

4 games to go, 4 days to go. Come on, lazy asses!

Strongman 2 - Underwood Swedgins 0

The Orcs collected another win, and getting a few skillups.

The match started with me recieving. and the usual LoS bash revving up. At one point I managed to get all but a mummy on the ground. It was all in all a pretty fair match; Ceres lost two guys out early on, which he never really recovered from. This allowed me to pretty much control the flow of the game. Also a pretty unlucky dodge roll, made the ball pop free and I got to run it home for 2 - 0.

All in all a good game, with both of us losing a guy for next match.

It is looking increasingly likely that Cad and My game will not happen. I've tried going to a friend were I can access the router and forward everything, without any success.

Didn't you play last season? Have you both tried hosting the game, or opening the ports, or just bypassing the router?

Well, Lamaros, and I got our game finished.  3 - 0 in favor of the Skaven.  His team performed quite admirably with some KO's in the first round, or two.  He also scored a kill on a Wight and a Skeleton.  The rats were dodging machines, as always.

The Undead couldn't accomplish squat.  My hopes were raised on turn three, or four, when his thrower failed a pass attempt, and I got a hand on the ball, but I couldn't capitalize on it.  I did manage a couple of KO's, but just couldn't get anything going until the last two turns when my Mummies finally woke up, and put some rats in the dirt.

Overall, the Undead are really uninspiring so far as a team, in my opinion.  Could also be that I just suck terribly.  I also have a theory that the game is self-aware, and actively hates me.

In the end we got it to work, I think by Cad disabling his router. Unfortunately the game didn't choose to reward Cad for his hard work and patience in getting the game to be played.

3 - 0 to the Skabine in the end. An odd scoreline for what was a pretty close game for most of it.

I got lucky early, KOing two players in my first turn and then killing (failed regen roll) a Wight shortly after. I mishandled the ball on a throw and it was in contention for a bit, but I managed to pull it out and then throw safely before running it in. Cad couldn't manage to return score before the half ended, though I went in with 3 KOed and two sitting off the field.

I managed to pull all the players back for the second half and Cad caged his whole team in the middle of the pitch. I managed to use pushes to get the ball carrier in range for a hit and spill and it ended up with e Skeleton. From there it went back and forth in the middle for a while before the ball rolled loose enough for a Gutter Runner to pick it up and run in a score. I scored rather than play for time in the hope of getting a 3rd and nuffle smiled on me with some catch and throw rolls for Cad going my way, a GR getting the ball and running in on the 16th turn.

Cad's luck with injury rolls wasn't awful, but it wasn't great either, while mine was pretty good. We both injured one and killed one but I got them when it made a bigger difference, and I managed to use the Apoth to save Rhomulus while Cad failed both regen rolls. Just looked at the stats and it was 9 injury rolls to 24, with me getting 2KO, 2 INJ and Cad getting 5 KO and 2 INJ. Actually, that is pretty awful for him. I really got away with something given the number of hits against AV7 and the Mummies on his team.

Some nice SPP for me with 3 TDs and two DEATHS! caused, and all the GRs will be one level up when Falc verifies the game. And I have enough to buy a Rat Ogre now too, after rolling 6 with the winnings.

The dice might not show much but it was one of those games that went well when it needed to for me, and kicked Cad in the pants before going easy when it was already over.

Thank golly Rohmulus didn't die in the end. He's one of the biggest brutes in the league with 10 knockdowns, 1 killed and one maimed.

C'est la nuffle.

Offsidhes 3 - 0 Huhnqua Huhnqua Burninluv

Replay Here (http://www.kerao.net/external/BloodBowl/game3Offsidhes%20VBurninluv.db)

I have no words for this match, it was bizarre.  Lizards would get my elf alone, surrounded by burly dinosaurs on all sides, and I'd somehow make a pass to an unguarded elf who'd run up the field and score.  Don't know if I got an unnesescarily high number of successes overall, but it seemed like every critical roll went well for me.  Match highlights include me misclicking a tackle on my ball carrier causing a turnover, giving it to a skink, who failed a pass and dropped it.  Which was sort of the theme for the game.  I'd screw up (left five elves on the LOS on the first turn, for example), dice would save me.  Drogg would try something reasonable, and the dice would kick him in the gourd.  Edit: also, a turn 8 touchdown with my runner blowing through two tackle zones and a double GFI.

It wasn't all sunshine and flowers, though.  Of note, my catchers came back to the game after their recuperating, and one was immediately sent back to the hospital, now nursing both -1 STR and -1 MA penalties.  Additionally, my Blitzer, Lendalthalas Silverleaf, suffered a broken collarbone, loosing a point to strength, and will have to be cut from the team.  And another lineman went down with a gouged eye.

I happened to watch a bit of Teleku and NiX's game. Tele continues to have some amazing luck with rolls this season for a man with two re-rolls. Rolled about 10 GFIs and 15 Dodges in the first two turns, not to mention picking up the ball in tackle zones. Anyone else would have turned the ball over on half of those moves.

Tele.. I dunno what you were doing, but you dodged when you should have leapt and leapt when you should have dodged a fair few times it seems. Leaping ignores tacklezones, dodging doesn't. A couple of times you dodged through several tacklezones when you could have leapt past them. Especially with your second score where you leapt on 3+ to get the ball, then dodged two or three times, once through a tacklezone. You could have dodged once at 2+ and then leapt once at 3+ and saved yourself a bunch of rolls.

Also Falc I just noticed that the result between Cad and I isn't showing up on the League Calendar. This is a bit odd as it always has before, even before you verify it. We had a bit of trouble in the second half where I lost connection for a moment or two, I hope it hasn't stuffed the game entirely. Kailas and Drogg's game is showing.

I can't validate! Your match is NOT showing! I don't know why, first time ever! If you both agree I can put on an artificial 3-0 result, you both got money and som SPPs out of it but all injuries and extra SPPs are lost. Or you can re-play the game. I am sorry, as I said, first time this happens in more than 100 total League matches.

Let me know.

So now we're only missing AndyDavo vs Ginaz? it would be nice if those two posted more so that we know they aren't MIA.

Dagnabit, that Wight was supposed to stay dead! Curse you, Nuffle, curse you.

I got a hold of Ginaz through PM here, but it's unclear if they are talking. Anyway, more than two days to go.

Well it means we miss out on the inj SP and the MVP and SP get randomized, right? Kinda sucks because the SPP and $$ had worked out well for me, I had made it deliberately so each GR would skill up.

I don't know if we'll get a chance to replay it, and I gues Cad will like his units not being dead. I won't be at the top of the killer team list anymore though. :(

God damn the cyanide system is annoying. I'm guessing putting in a bug report would be pointless.

EDIT: In case I wasn't clear I'm ok with you putting it in as 3-0.

This sounds like a job for Zara the Slayer!

Zara the Slayer has to survive her date with 11 sharp and pointy Elves first....

kail's being a little generous here -- most of my turnovers were caused by me taking needless risks.  not necessarily gigantic risks (two square passes with not an elf in sight) but needless risks all the same.  i had a touchdown literally served up to me on a platter when kail bungled the ball carrier tackle, but i decided i wanted the spp to go to a skink that hadn't already skilled up, and in doing so dropped the ball in only two tackle zones, whereby kail promptly scooped it up, launched it over the heads of three or four saurii and skinks, and ran it in.

he very much capitalized on my mistakes big time and earned his TDs, though i still can't believe he pulled some of them off. whoever plays him next gets the luxury of doing so against a battered and bruised bunch of elves, at least  :angryfist:

:drill:

If anyone knows AndyDavo, can you let him know I've been trying to get a hold of him to set up our match.  Thanks.

I wrote an email and a PM to the both of you. For all I know, he wrote you an ingame email (useless) and a public message here 4 days ago (which I assumed you didn't see). Did you write him something privately too?

At this rate we'll have to decide based on "evidences" who tried the most to contact the other and award the win based on "efforts made".   :uhrr:

Lets hope it doesn't come to that.  Scheduling with someone who lives in a far off time zone can be difficult at times.  I probably would have lost anyway, so if we can't get it played in time, I'll conceed the match.  With a dead ghoul (you will be missed Gary Busey :heartbreak:), a Wight with a -1 to MV and none of my players gaining a level or any new skills yet, there wasn't much hope for a win. :ye_gods:

So, did mine, and Lamaros' match get entered already?  I'm ok with having it submitted as the 3 - 0, but I'm curious how that works out, exactly, cash wise, and in terms of SPP.

Yes, Cadaverine. Your match has been validated. Let us know how it worked out, personally I have no idea.

None to well, it would appear. 

It recorded the loss for me, but I got no money from the match, and I don't think I got any SPP, either.  I know the Mummies, which got 2 each for injuries, are unchanged, and I am fairly sure that the two ghouls, and my zombie already had the SPP that they have now.

Ah well.  I have no plans on bringing this team back for Season for right now, so it's no loss.

AFAIK, if the commissioner fixes a match then only the winner gets anything out of it. The loser gets no cash, SPPs or fan factor while the winner gets cash (not rerollable) and two MVPs. No extra SPPs regardless of the number of TDs registered. If it's a draw then I believe that neither team gets anything.

Edit: For the record, with regard to the Ginaz/AndyDavo situation particularly I would be hesitant to award results based on what may have happened if a game doesn't get played at all, I'd suggest simply handing out a draw at that point.

Those two are both on steam quite often, I'm not sure scheduling the game would be that hard if they were actually communicating.

At the same time and available for a game?

I mean, Steam probably shows me as being online almost constantly...that just means my PC is on.

That sucks Cad :(

I seemed to get pretty lucky. I was meant to have 46 SPP after our game and $140000. Instead I have 43 and $190000. Two GRs didn't get the level they were meant to, but a linesman and blitzer did.

It seems to have given me the TDs as I have 7 in stats. It seems to have given me Cads money as well as mine.

I think the only SPP difference is missing from passing completions and from injuries. But I have an extra MVP. It's confusing I seem to have missed a point somewhere.

Expected:

3 TDs, 3 INJ, 1 PASS, 1 MVP = 21 SPP

Result:

3 TDS, 2 MVP = 19

Either way Cad got screwed by the whole thing. I feel bad :(

You could always buy a linerat and sell it if you're feeling bad about all your extra cash.  :awesome_for_real:

Well, I figure Cad gets two units back from the dead so maybe I can feel less bad about it and keep it.  :grin:

Well I got no money from my last game either, though I got the MVP ok.

I'm not going to quibble about the 20k i was due, but it does mean there is a bug somewhere.

I think some people had some money issues happen last season too?

Yeah, it involved a match that was fixed due to the match taking place against a dummy team, I think.

Yeah I had a game against... Ruvaldt?  which played fine but at the end it seemed to think he disconnected and gave me a pile o' money. The MVPs came out right, though. And he got his money.  So it was just weird.

Yeah, there was that one too.  It gave me a pile of money as well; like 70k, and showed up as a disconnect.  I'm still not sure if that was due to our match or the fact that our first attempt ended in a crash and it had to be reset though.  It was a strange situation.

i didnt realise that THIS was the place to arrange matches, i have just added you on steam - but i aint seen you online in the game at all, strange considering how much i play lol. what is your timezone, i also need to know when the league rolls over. yes i  did write you an in game mail, i find it quite good, since you get the little icon whenyou open the game.

im on GMT +zero, if, and i  mean IF i you need to play at some wierd time for me, if i get enough notice i will try and accomodate you.

As a rule, if you join a random forum just to gatecrash their Bloodbowl league then you should try and at least attempt to engage with the people on that forum rather than just sign up and never be heard of again.

I sent a PM here and an email but in case you didn't get them for whatever reason I'm in the North American Mountain time zone (Calgary, Alberta, Canada).  I should be free tonight and tomorrow after 6pm my time (not sure what yours is).  I'm willing to stay up a little later or get up earlier to play the match.  Let me know asap so we can get this done.  Thanks.

The game has to be played BEFORE the 3rd. So today or tomorrow.

Andy, I gave you all plenty of ways to keep in touch, Steam, forum, personal emails. I know you meant to make it work, as you posted here a few days ago and that has been appreciated (following that I wrote a scolding email to Ginaz), but I wonder if the email address you gave me is any good cause at least that was supposed to get through and summon you here earlier.

And yes, as IainC said, no one expects you to hang out and drink a pint of ale with us, but checking the forum every few days especially if you are having issues setting up your game would definitely help.

I hope it's all good now and that you two will bash each other's faces off in the next 48 hours.

Even Blood Bowl's UI thinks the mail is horrible.

The thoughts behind Blood Bowl's UI are unfathomable in all respects, and speculation will only lead to some horrible, Lovecraftian demise.

Earlier today I tried to copy & paste a url out of the chat window -- hello 2002 -- and instead it copied the entire chat window.

The little icon that the game in no way makes evident. I refer you back to my seeing that icon on Game Day 3. For the first time.

Not to Pile On AndyDavo  :rimshot:

i would saythat i had been watching the topic thats on about page 19 since alot of people were posting there, i understand now why it had dried up. i didnt try and gatecrash anythign miind, i just don't check my emails that often. steam also seemed like a good way of being notified when my oppo was about, but ii never saw him online. anyways enough of that jazz, lets see if we can arrange a game!


your my time minus 7 i think, USA mouintain time. as im GMT +0. that means that if we played at 4am MY time it would be 9pm your time. it is currently tuesday evening as i write this, i cannot get up at that time for my wednesday morning (your tuesday evening) but i  could do it in 24hrs time for you? I'll be a zombie at work on teh friday i think but i will do that.   I would ofc pref to play at midnight on the wed evening which for you would be 5pm wed evening, could you manage that at all??

 :uhrr:

5 pm my time might work, though, it depends on the traffic and if I'm off work at the usual time.  Being in the army sometimes means having to stay later, which might be the case tomorrow since we have to exchange over 200 new rifles that showed up today (a day and a half late :mob:) with another unit.  If we can get that done in time then I should be G2G.  If not, then we'll have to try for the later time (9pm for me, 4 am for you :ye_gods:).  I'll check on Steam to see if your online (I'll check tonight too).

 :ye_gods:

Wouldn't it be better like 11pm for you, 6pm for him?

Do you mean 6am or 6pm?  He's 7 hours ahead of me.  If its 11pm here its 6am where he is.

Sure I mean 6am for him. I am sure it would be better than 4am! (I guess)

hello, i will now be free at around midnight my time because i  rearranged a shift atwork for tomorrow, i can play midnighttilll 2am on thursday morning, so wednesday evening YOUR time. that would be in around 9 hours from me posting OR i could get up extra early, say 6am- 8am my time which would be better for me.

I'm goign to say that i will play at 7am MY time on thursday morning, which is midnight YOUR time. If this is a problem please post here. I annot move shifts around every week just for BB this is a one off!!!

I should be home before 5pm my time today (midnight for you, I believe), so I'll be in game shortly afterwards.  Hope to see you then.

ok then i will stay awake and we can play  at 5pm your time - i will be around :)

Sweet. Upload your replay as soon as you are done and I'll advance things!

Oh god, will this longest of long days finally end?!

Are you sure you want it to?

Hmm, good point. 

But hey, I have a tree now, they hate dwarfs!  Maybe Sturdybranch will kill a couple of dwarfs to help even out the odds.   :awesome_for_real:

I just want to get on with the damn season.

^^^

We got the match played, finally.  Another game, another loss and another dead ghoul. :ye_gods: R.I.P. Iggy Pop. :heartbreak:

And another dead dark elf, or so I heard..

Anyway, Game Day #4 is on! Just give me time to compile bullstats.

You're goin' down, Falconeer!  Doctor Gonzo will feast upon your Amazon young!  My wizard is getting warmed up already!

Oh hey, cool. With some luck we'll be able to play tomorrow Ruvaldt. How does it sound to you?

You got it, mate.  I'm off all day again tomorrow, and I'll probably be begging for Blood Bowl matches from everyone on Steam anyway.   :grin: