f13.net

And its even available for PC.  :heart:

The thing about Borderlands which stuck out most in my mind was the loot and experience system. Never before have I seen a shooter which so closely resembled Diablo II. As Jim points out, players who team up in groups face more difficult enemies but are rewarded with more valuable gear and granted greater experience points.

My doctor said I wasn't supposed to get any Destructoid in my eye.

Have they explained why they decided to switch over to cellshading? I thought it looked fine before.

Hopefully there is an option to turn it off.

This IS the game where not only the stats, but the geometry of the items also are generated....yes? Could have sworn I read about it in GDM a few years ago.

Arguably the best thing about RPG gameplay is tons and tons of awesome loot, and Bor-derlands ports that concept over to the fi rst-person shooter by giving you enough loot to last a lifetime. Gearbox currently estimates that the game will support between 500,000 and 600,000 unique weapons—pared down from the 17 million that could be created using combinations of the gun components in the database. Each weapon you fi nd or buy in the game is virtually guaranteed to be unique, like a snowfl ake that can blow your face off.

With so many weapons in play, you need to be able to spot what you’re looking for without reading stats all day (though you can do that too, using a handy pop-up interface that compares the gun you’re looking at with the one in your hand and lets you easily see if it’s an upgrade or a downgrade). If a gun has a longer barrel or a scope attached, you can tell it’s going to be accurate at long range; a gun with a bigger stock will have less recoil; a larger magazine that extends below the grip indicates a gun that needs to be reloaded less frequently, and a side-mounted magazine takes a little longer to reload; and a blade fi xed to the bar-rel is a pretty good hint that the gun would make an excellent melee weapon.

Finally, the color of any glowing bits on the gun will tell you if it does fire, shock, explosive, or acid damage. And of course, rare weapons will be highlighted in green or purple to make sure you spot them.Adding to the visual variety and distinctiveness, there are 12 different equipment manufacturers with their own design style and specialties. Jacobs, for example, makes extremely high-quality pistols, sniper rifl es, and shotguns, decorating them using a material that’s rare on Pandora: wood. Other manufacturers have a more high-tech look and use materials like plastic and composites.

This IS the game where not only the stats, but the geometry of the items also are generated....yes? Could have sworn I read about it in GDM a few years ago.

 Diablo, as a post-apocalyptic FPS?  Why, I didn't even know I wanted that, thanks!

You're thinking, "That bandit has a badass shotgun. I want that. I'm going to get him and take it from him." You're thinking, "Oh man - that assault rifle that's for sale in that vending machine is awesome! It's got an incendiary tech effect, too! I'm going to go do some missions and earn some more credits so I can buy that thing!" You're thinking, "Let's see what's in this locker… Okay, a repeater, mine's better, but that one has a huge magazine... I guess I'll just take it and if I don't want it I'll just sell it later. But whoa!!! There's also a double thunder shotgun in there with a freaking scope on it! A scope! Yeah, I'll take that!"

 :uhrr:

Uh, why is this retarded? There is a game coming out pretty soon that does have the option to turn off the outlines.

Turning off outlines is one thing.

Shipping with an entire second set of textures and models?  Not likely.

What? why would they need extra textures?

They threw out the realisticvisual style and invented a new one. They call it Concept Style, a “realized three-dimensional concept-art look” that’s so close to the concept drawings posted around Gearbox’s Plano, Texas, offi ces that some screenshots can easily be mistaken for an artist’s paintings at first glance.

The new technique uses handdrawn textures, scanned in and colored in Photoshop, combined with software that draws graphic novel-style outlines around characters and objects, sharpens shadows to look more like something an artist might create, and even draws lines on terrain like hills and inclines when viewed at certain angles and distances. Finally, the character models were all revamped with more
exaggerated proportions, creating the appearance of a detailed comic book in motion.

http://www.pcgamer.com/pdfs/Borderlands0609.pdf

I'd be a lot more interested in this if it wasn't first person. I don't really see the point in dramatically changing how your character model looks when you never see it.

What makes bright colours so much better?

Don't know the timing for Borderlands though.

Borderlands, as the prez of Gearbox has said, is a crapshoot.

It could very well be Diablo 2 huge. Or it could be pure crap. Word of mouth is going to save this one and honestly, it's the first time in a long while I think a game actually NEEDS an open beta with limited content - assuming they can pull it off. This thing is going to need tons and tons of fan-hype. God of War/Katamari Damacy levels of fan-hype.

So I've actually only just started folliowing this in the last week or so.  Any custom characters, or just the four they're shown?  (I'm so glad Diablo 3 is giving us at least a gender option for each class.)

http://www.pcgamer.com/pdfs/Borderlands0609.pdf

Oh I'll be there brother, you can fucking bank on that. Only thing I'm waiting for is either a Steam or D2D pre order. I fucking hate boxes and having to deal with UPS in any way.

Also, I just happen to be off that week, the entire week, so yeah, it's on.

OK I've done a decent bit of digging around and there is absolutely zero info about armor or other items anywhere. This strikes me as a bad sign. If those things were there they'd be plastered all over the PR shits they've done, and yet, nothing. That, coupled with the fact the the 4 characters look the exact same in every single screenhot and video.

Chances are, it's guns only. That, if true, kinda knocks the wind outta this game for me.

Also, don't go to the official forums for this one. Even for official, pre release forums, they're shitty shit shit.

That would be incredibly unfortunate.

First, I'd like to find out if it is going to be better than Too Human.

Anyone going to be playing on PC? I can't stand shooters on consoles.

Yeah, that'll be a challenge...

Anyone going to be playing on PC? I can't stand shooters on consoles.

One little note I found in the RPS writeup. If you die, you lose the gun you had equipped.

Theres a big racetrack in the game. It's populated with all kinds of hilarious baddies... at your own risk type thing. There's stuff that comes out of the ground and explodes on you. Stuff that flies... it's a whole bit.

I dunno... that's impossible to say. I'd say its probably less than 1 in 200, yeah" - Chance of finding an artifact

"Well, Gamescom is going on right now, and we had some hands on with key press during Quakecon. I'd guess very soon." - When we'll see more info.

Yes, the vehicles are very fast.

Sword. Pipe. Fist. Blades on guns. John Stamos"

Most healing of teamates isn't with a kit... its bullets or turret radius or healing grenades...

Friendly fire isn't really a borderlands thing. Your weapons only damage your mates when you bitch slap them into a duel.

Our music is badass. Both composed and licenesed"

There are rifles in the game that fire with a three round burst, yes

The game will not end when you complete it (Like Fallout 3) Also there is a New Game + with harder difficulty

I am a Mordecai FIEND. I love maxing my bird out with crazy artifacts. It can explode six people in one throw at this point

There are certainly some gun types we've never talked about publicly. They are not easily classified.

I have like 20 different saves on my system right now. I like to experiment. (Will this lead to item, character duping? Possibly only for dev kit? Would all characters on a system be on a single save file?)

Single fire, auto fire, burst fire, exploding fire, clip capacity from 10 to stupid high numbers, rails, sites, scopes, LOTS

Equipment slots of upgradeable: From how many things you can carry to how many things you can carry in your hands.

You may kick people from your game!

Off the wall guns? Got my first shotgun that shot rockets last night. I didn't realize it would shoot buckshot at the same time (Oh my god that opens up whole new gun possibilities)

There's a lot of stun attacks and things. Enemies tend to flee if they're, I dunno, on fire

Well, it's not as complex. Getting punched in the face repeatedly has a way of causing a lot of aggro (Aggro system, Brick acting as a tank)

Pandora is bigger than Manhattan (Not sure if he's being serious or not)

So a silly question maybe, but are people going to be able to play as any character they want, or will there be slots?  Can there be two Liliths or two Bricks in one game?

I'll have to dig it up but a video interview stated that yes, you can have multiples of the same character in game.

The characters are actual classes and not just aesthetics right? Be pretty fucked up if you couldn't.

Why is it that everytime a game announces "weapons that combine, RANDOMLY!!" the jaded f13 cynics become slavering fanbois?  All the usually skepticism born of bitter experience is just thrown out the window. 

Right now? Borderlands. I'm on a media blackout for Diablo 3 atm.

Its purchase is assured, I know I will not be disappointed.

I'll buy it as well, but I liked Too Human so I'm probably even worse than the rest of you.

Did you just compare Too Human to Diablo 3?

So schild, if Borderlands and Diablo III were in a fight for your affections, which would win?

On the other hand, if a game gives me something I really like, I can ignore a surprising amount of bullshit.

I make wallpaper for you to enjoy with the fulliness.

The trick to being like Yegolev is having a nice white t-shirt to game in. Freshly washed and ironed too. Really helps you endure games like Too Human.

Too Human was fun for the most part.

How many (if any) could co-op on the same console?

Is that a little christian bale there?   :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876X30YznqE

I was playing with three other people in Co-Op at PAX. What made you think it was only 2?

I was playing with three other people in Co-Op at PAX. What made you think it was only 2?

I gotta figure out how terribly my 8800gtx is going to perform.

I gotta figure out how terribly my 8800gtx is going to perform.

You shouldn't be playing it on a console anyway. Philistine.

I just don't have 1-2 grand to drop on a new pc atm....

Hehehe.

I hope I can run this on the 9400M.

Get a real computer.

It is if you are in Australia.

Was going to wait till D3 came out.

The 360 and PS3 versions of Gearbox's shooter Borderlands are coming along nicely, and are still expected on October 20. But the PC version, well, it' slipped a little.

Because Gearbox are "optimizing the PC version", a process "which takes a few days longer than expected", the North American release of the PC version of the game will be out on October 26. For those outside North America, this means their version has dropped back to October 30.

/vaderNOOOOOOO!!!  From Kotaku, originally from IGN:

When they say "optimizing for PC" it makes me think they developed it for 360 and PS3 and are now just slapping a hastily put together UI on it.

Berserker (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/09/18/borderlands-class-guide-the-berserker/)
Soldier (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/09/17/borderlands-class-guide-the-soldier/)
Siren (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/09/16/borderlands-class-guide-the-siren/)
Hunter (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/09/15/borderlands-class-guide-the-hunter/)

Text based anything is hard for Dan Brown.

Yea, because immersion is something I'm worried about in a game where creatures explode into guns ...

... I was told it was more like Call of Duty because its a shooter  :uhrr:

Of all the shooters out there one of the ones Borderlands seems least like is Call of Duty.

About an hour ago we received a tip that a couple Gearbox employees had tweeted about Borderlands coming to Steam. While many people assumed it would be inevitable, I hit up Gearbox to see if I could get official confirmation, and official confirmation I got.

Not only will Borderlands be releasing for download on Steam, Steve Gibson of Gearbox also told us about a couple additional features that will be exclusive to the PC version. Given the amount of unique weapons in the game, you'll probably end up with some sweet-looking gun that none of your friends have. Want to show it off? You'll be able to export item cards to .jpg files. Additionally, the PC version will come with timedemo benchmark software, which admittedly isn't needed for the console versions, but will be a nice touch.

Steve also went on to say that those with high end PCs will experience the best Borderlands graphics of all the platforms. Finally, and what actually makes me the happiest, is that Steve promises that the PC version will have menu and inventory systems that are specifically designed for use with a mouse, the lack of which has been one of my bigger complaints about recent multi-platform games. Steve states that Gearbox is treating the PC version very seriously, and from what he's told me, it sounds like Gearbox on the right track.

Final details for the Steam release are still being worked on, but the Steam pre-order date will be announced as soon as it's available. For those of you with a 360 or a PS3 and a decent gaming PC, which platform will you be getting the game for?

Direct2Drive apparently only allows 3 downloads (with a new OS coming out, that's a terrible idea, not to mention just a terrible idea) - also, it's run by IGN.

Just saying. IGN.

Just saying. IGN.

That's Useful Commentary.

I really can't figure out a reason not to use Steam over anything else right now.  If not just for the fact I'm lazy and only want to have 1 site/account I need to remember to log into to get all my games.  :awesome_for_real:

Games that have their own patcher-thingy, like MMOs or Games For Windows LIVE games, can tend to get really ugly.  Some of that is adding another layer of unto a clusterfuck (Fallout 3 :uhrr:) so it's not really Steam's fault, but it does complicate things.

That said, I still default to buying from Steam unless there's a steep discount on D2D or GoG.

There are some people here who have an unnatural attraction to randomly-generated lootable items.

Sorry if I sound naive, but when I look at the trailers for this game and read about it, I'm left asking myself, "What's the attraction?" I'm hoping (assuming?) someone might be able to explain what all the hype is for.

Currently, I look at the game as a FPS which allows you to make your own guns. Alright. By the looks of things you'll be shooting NPCs that look like they have a Doom level AI about them (ie: run towards you and shoot). I believe people have stats of some sort, I'm not sure about levels. Is there a story? Does it have some sort of level/zone progression? Is it basically TF2 plus weapon crafting? We've all seen cell shaded games before, I don't think that's the "groundbreaking" feature about this game - I like that it gives it a distinct style, but of course that's not the only thing people would be excited about I would assume.

So what is getting people excited about this game?

There are some people here who have an unnatural attraction to randomly-generated lootable items.

I'm not sure about levels.

Is there a story?

Does it have some sort of level/zone progression?

Is it basically TF2 plus weapon crafting?

So what is getting people excited about this game?

Pshah, have you seen the footage with the damage numbers bouncing out of peoples heads as they get hit and then the shower of Phat Lewt when they go down?

Interestingly, there's no price for Australians. It appears that they plan to gouge us for about AU$100 (US$87ish)


 :why_so_serious:

Direct2Drive apparently only allows 3 downloads (with a new OS coming out, that's a terrible idea, not to mention just a terrible idea) - also, it's run by IGN.

Just saying. IGN.

You stay classy IGN... (http://www.onelastcontinue.com/12237/dont-ask-about-rock-band-on-igns-music-hub/)

No different from that TV commercial where there's a fake News Desk 'reporting' on the mortgage crisis, and offering up douchebagloanmodifier.com as the solution.  I think people who do deceptive advertising like this should be deported.  Caveat Emptor indeed.  Not if I'm President.

And still... no official PC specs. 

I'm still ordering it, but c'mon.  Two weeks out?

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
OS: Windows XP/Vista
Processor: 2.4 Ghz or equivalent processor
Memory: 1GB System RAM (2GB recommended with Vista)
Graphics: 256mb video ram or better (GeForce 8 series or higher/Radeon R8xx series)
Hard Drive: 8 GB or more free space
Sound: Windows compatible sound card

I am in for 2 on the 4 pack if you don't mind, I'm buying my friend the game as a gift, and one for myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAcUzi6MfII&feature=related

Is the co-op left for dead like where you can't have more than one of each character?

Any other 4 pack group looking for another member?

Any other 4 pack group looking for another member?

Borderlands will be $39.96 at Canadian Wal-Marts

As you can see by the above, I'm already in a group. I don't want to chance buying more than one as I don't know if the first key is automagically assigned.

Will that include PC?

The first key is automagically assigned.

Blah, I was hoping he could just gift all 4 out.

Ad in spoiler only shows the 360 version.

Rumor on their forums that PC release might be dirty with Securom. 

When did Securom become "dirty"?

When wasn't it?

When wasn't it?

What's it doing these days?

Here are each character's planner (URLs are obvious, but I don't know the characters by name):

Brick (http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/brick/), Berserker
Lilith (http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/lilith/), Siren
Mordecai (http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/mordecai/), Hunter
Roland (http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/roland/), Soldier

You know, this is kinda sad, but playing with these skill trees just ramped my excitement for this game up a lot.

I have 2 spots remaining in a 4 pack. PM me and I will send you my paypal info so I can get the funds in place ASAP.

Need more points.  I have two different build routes I want to go with Lilith.

All depends on how good phase walking is.  Bumping up all the perks to it seems like it would allow you cause ultra ninja death.

One spot remaining. PM me if you want in.

Jokes aside, wondering if there's any specific reason I want to keep securom games off my PC these days. I know starforce is teh debil, what's SecRom's story?

Actually, probably going to play Mordecai since I'm a pistol whore in games. Lilith will be used for single player. The amount of froth I have for this game is off the charts.

All 4 sound pretty awesome tbh. I'm tempted to make a melee character so I can ninja loot that much faster in coop.

I'll be playing brick. Another thing that you may not know is that you can respec at any save point, for free. No need to get worked up over talent builds, just try them out and see if they suck. If they do, try something else.

I totally forgot about this game.  Fuck me.

I'll be buying on steam for sure.  I'll do a 4 person thingy if anyone needs another.

This is harder than putting a WoW group together.   :awesome_for_real:

I can't come up with any reason to get it on a console as opposed to pc.

Ok, so this is the group I'm setting up:

Myself
Phire
Hawkbit
Draegan

There's enough for another I believe:

ezrast
Sky
Hoax
Nonentity (Maybe)

At least its not faction restricted  :why_so_serious:

I guess I'm taking issues that ability and appearance are not divided. For instance, I'd rather be a hot gun-slinging chick, not Lilith.

I see Turret / Supporter, Rogue, HULK SMASH, and Sniper. But nothing that really screams "GUUUUUUNS". Have to see how the basic gunplay is.

Can anyone confirm the sound the game makes when loot drops and when you pick it up?

Anyway, I want shiny.

I've never played Diablo 2

I've never played Diablo 2

wat

You know, I found out one of the people at work today (who happens to sit in the same room as me) has never played Diablo 1 & 2. Immediately, a feeling of uneasiness rushed over me. Gamers who haven't played the Diablo series strike me as bizarre outliers.

Back in those days I wasn't big into PC gaming, nor did I have consistent access to a computer. I figure now the glory days are long gone, so I don't bother. The only thing I know is that whenever a developer utters the name "Diablo II" legions of consumers line up to toss their money into the bonfire. (IE: Hellgate London, Titan Quest)

What is there to keep this game from becoming stale and predictable after you've played through it dozens of times, aside from the randomly generated guns and simplistic talent trees / levels? I've never played Diablo 2, so maybe I just don't understand the draw here.

I would suggest giving the Median XL mod (http://modsbylaz.hugelaser.com/) a try, but it's kind of unforgiving even for people who have played Diablo 2 before, so YMMV.

:withdrawal:

I would totally ignore a Diablo 2 patch right now I think, simply because Borderlands and Torchlight dropping on the same day is just, well, fantastic.

We’re preparing for a Diablo II ladder reset to coincide with the release of the 1.13 patch that’s currently in development. We don’t have a final release date for the patch yet, but we’re providing early warning as a reset could occur as early as the end of April. We’ll be providing updates with more certain dates once the patch is closer to release.

Please be aware that with a ladder reset all ladder characters are moved to non-ladder. This means that your characters will still be accessible but will no longer have access to ladder-only features and games. In order to play in the new ladder season after the reset you will need to make new ladder characters.

This thread will be updated with more information as it becomes available.

Update - 7/20

As stated in the "Myth" thread (http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031060417&sid=3000) we're still working toward releasing the Warcraft III patch currently in testing on our Westfall Public Test Realm. Testing is looking good on the Warcraft III patch though and once it's released focus will go to the Diablo II 1.13 patch.

The 1.13 patch is very far along so it should only be a limited amount of testing before it hits the Westfall PTR. Still, any number of issues could delay a release so any dates or estimates for release won't be made available.

A forum is now available for discussing the PTR and patch and will continue to be available for posting feedback and bug reports once the patch actually goes live. This is to ideally keep the other Diablo II forums dedicated to current game discussion. Any threads discussing the 1.13 patch/PTR/etc. will be moved to the Test Realm forum, or deleted.

http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=20601702&sid=3000

Update - 8/5

The Warcraft III patch has been released but in order to resolve some persistent issues work is not yet moving to the Diablo II patch. Again this involves some very high priority issues that need to be resolved before work can continue on D2 1.13

We'll keep you updated as work progresses.

Update - 9/2

Work commences on patch 1.13. We won't be providing any information on when the patch will be available, except that we expect the PTR to be available "soon". We will provide some amount of warning very, very shortly before the PTRs become available. Please keep in mind that any number of factors could delay the start of the PTR and ultimate release of the patch. Thanks for being patient, we're getting close now.

Update - 9/30

The Diablo II 1.13 patch is on temporary hold while we investigate potential impact on the Battle.net service. As we moved closer to launching the patch concerns grew that an increase in the player stash size (a feature in the patch) could compromise the Diablo II Battle.net service. The hardware and configuration could potentially not handle the increased stash size gracefully under heavy load. Currently we’re investigating potential impact as it is one of the larger content features in the patch and we’re hoping it can remain a part of the release. If it does have to be removed it will require additional time to remove it, generate new patches, and test, which will add time before we can go live on the PTR.

We’re hoping to have our diagnostics and a final decision on how we’ll be moving forward decided by early next week and we’ll have an update for you at that time.

Update - 10/14

The decision on whether or not to include the enlarged stash size has been slightly delayed. As mentioned previously it would require some additional weeks of development and would remove one of the most requested features were we unable to include it. If it were to be included the concern is that it could render Diablo II unplayable, and repairing the issue after the fact would draw heavily on development resources. Which is also something we obviously want to avoid.

We hope to be able to reach a conclusion and decision soon on the future of the 1.13 patch, and we’ll keep you updated as it develops.
[ Post edited by Bashiok ]

Not every change is going to appeal to everyone.

We asked for community feedback and a larger stash size was in the top three most requested changes.



Higher resolution, which we unfortunately just can't do because it would fundamentally change the game and require a huge development investment to have the game/servers spawn enemies farther out, have them aggro from farther out, and even then it increases travel time to the player... it's just a mess. Apparently increasing the resolution in LoD was this gigantic issue so I think the idea of increasing it again makes some of the old time programmers want to curl up in a fetal position.

And new end game content, which we do want to continue adding, but just wasn't possible for this patch.

Median XL has tons of shiny features but nowhere near Blizzard's level of design elegance. I can't imagine appreciating it without already being deep within the clutches of Sanctuary. Start with the base game.

Hell, if that's too built-up/bandwagon-y for you, start with the first Diablo. It's worthwhile in its own right, with an atmosphere all its own.

What is there to keep this game from becoming stale and predictable after you've played through it dozens of times, aside from the randomly generated guns and simplistic talent trees / levels? I've never played Diablo 2, so maybe I just don't understand the draw here.

All loot is instanced. No one can see anyone else's loot, a weapon will show up for only you.

You can still trade it if you don't want it, of course.

I'll be playing brick. Another thing that you may not know is that you can respec at any save point, for free. No need to get worked up over talent builds, just try them out and see if they suck. If they do, try something else.

 :facepalm:

I would also recommend starting with the base game + expansion & patches. I think Diablo 2 has held up rather well for its age. Just play it!

Can I expect an explanation or have I wandered into 4chan?

Can I expect an explanation or have I wandered into 4chan?

Is no one planning on getting this on console?

I'm picking up the 360 version. May also get PC too if the game is good enough.

Is no one planning on getting this on console?

Can I expect an explanation or have I wandered into 4chan?

Even if he hadn't bolded the relevant part, it should be fairly obvious what brought on the facepalm.

d

This kid has potential.

Wonderful contribution.

Wonderful contribution.

Wonderful contribution.

I guess there is no instanced loot after all! Fight over weapons.

You just have to decide which weapons people want before going in.

For example, I want pistols.

ARE YOU ALL LISTENING? I WANT PISTOLS.

Not like you'll play with us anyway, you'll play with all your girlfriends from real life. No one is relying on you for entertainment, Non. No one.

This game is not for pugging.

You just have to decide which weapons people want before going in.

For example, I want pistols.

ARE YOU ALL LISTENING? I WANT PISTOLS.

Going to post a list to help organize in the middle of all this chat in hopes a few more also still need to get in on the goodness.

Current Steam 4 pack order request people:
Canadian
Murdoc

Non Canadian
Segoris


Not Canadian, but I do like syrup fwiw.

Well, it looks like you build towards an either or sort of thing.

Still not Canadian, still want to get in on this, still confused.

ezrast
Sky
Hoax
Nonentity (Maybe)

Or, you simply respec for your best weapon at the time is.

Canadian
Murdoc

Non Canadian
Segoris
ezrast
Sky
Hoax
Nonentity (Maybe)
AutomaticZen

I want in, who's going to host the paypal?

Canadian
Murdoc

Non Canadian
ezrast
Nonentity (Maybe)

Well, it looks like you build towards an either or sort of thing.  I imagine somebody with a pistol build wont be touching sniper rifles.

Oh no, I understand, I just didn't think it was worth posting (spamming) for. I had thought maybe there was something actually important I might have missed.

Back in those days I wasn't big into PC gaming, nor did I have consistent access to a computer. I figure now the glory days are long gone, so I don't bother. The only thing I know is that whenever a developer utters the name "Diablo II" legions of consumers line up to toss their money into the bonfire. (IE: Hellgate London, Titan Quest)

If respecing is as easy as it sounds, it seems like you'd want to have both on hand.

I want in, who's going to host the paypal?

The important part was that you made a stupid comment and I decided to /facepalm you instead of calling you a fucking tool directly. Out of interest, how many other games have you completed "dozens of times" without a hint of stale.

Titan Quest kicked (and still kicks) all kinds of arse. But yes, thanks for highlighting your ignorance twice more in the above paragraph. It can be overcome, or you can just remain ignorunt. Your choice.

I don't think you know what the phrase "tool" means.

F13: We're Reasonable  :awesome_for_real:

Or the word "phrase" for that matter.

As voodoolily once said, "Welcome to the internet, pussy."

I've been around for awhile, and I can safely say that this is a flimsiest reason to start a flame war I've ever seen. I guess I wasn't looking or posting in the right places.

Can everybody agree to stop shitting up the thread over this incredibly stupid argument then?  Starting now.

But as for borderlands, this whole waiting an extra week because I'm more of a PC than console gamer is pretty weak.

Tasked with keeping the workers of Jakobs Cove alive, Dr. Ned (who is not related to Dr. Zed from Fyrestone) does his job a little too well, creating zombies and other abominations that now run rampant in this region. Players will have to work alongside Dr. Ned as they embark on a quest to cure the inhabitants of Jakobs Cove in this full-fledged expansion filled with new enemies, new quests and rare loot drops.

The Zombie Island of Dr. Ned is planned for release later this year for all available platforms for $9.99 (800 Microsoft Points).

Sky, AutomaticZen, and Hoax: I guess I'll buy the 4 pack and you guys can send me the money. PM'ing the information to each of you.

Not Canadian or Mexican. Definitely not a hybrid, aka Canexican, either.

Anyone know how the other copies get handed out?

Alright.  Go for it whenever.

Anyone know how the other copies get handed out?

I'm starting another CAD four pack already purchased due to change from the $45 steam preorder.

Fuser
Murdoc (maybe?)

Hence why I asked people for $35.whatever. I overestimated the cost and owe both folks like $1.00.

Whoops. I'll put it towards the server.

I demand satisfaction!

Hence why I asked people for $35.whatever. I overestimated the cost and owe both folks like $1.00.

Whoops. I'll put it towards the server.

If anyone here gets the console version next week and posts the stats for one single item or a tiny bit of the story, you will be taking a vacation. You'd be surprised how much PR I've avoided for this thing.

This is your only warning.

I will KILL YOU WITH FIRE.

Fuck.  Nix owes me a hotdog too.

I'm starting another CAD four pack already purchased due to change from the $45 steam preorder.

Fuser
Murdoc (maybe?)

Definitely in - lemme know the details, Fuser.

Is ANYONE getting this on XBox?  :oh_i_see:

What are you talking about? Nothing got leaked.

Illegitimately obtained early copies of Forza Motorsport 3 or Borderlands, being played online over Xbox Live, have resulted in permabans for the accounts of offending players, Microsoft has confirmed.

"Don't worry folks, anyone who bought a copy early is ok. In general, if you got a receipt, play away. These are illegit copies we're hitting," Toulouse tweeted around 4:15 pm. U.S. Pacific Time.

There was indeed a leak (http://kotaku.com/5383696/early-play-on-illegit-forza-borderlands-resulting-in-permabans). 

OH YOU MEAN IT'S REAL

:SHOCK_AND_AWE:

I seem to have fallen in the sarchasm.

If you haven't updated the firmware on your 360, and this is totally 4th hand knowledge, you'll need to in order to play a "copy" of Borderlands. I'm just saying, it's not worth the effort. Or at least that's what my friend of a friend of a friend just told me.

Now that this is out for X360 (it is, right?), are there any reviews up somewhere to read up?

I'm looking up for info on how good it handles, how good the graphics are, how the performance is, streamlined and well-thought out inventory management or not, how addicting and memorable the loot-/upgrading system really is and so on. No spoilers.

Yea, 10/20 pretty much means some retailers have it already, having gotten shipments maybe Friday or yesterday.

Also, THIS is how you do a promo: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/957206/borderlands/videos/borderlands_spc_realgamer.html

Also, THIS is how you do a promo

fuck everything, I'm buying Borderlands

There were a bunch of Devs on this one http://www.justin.tv/brandon505, they offered to fly him down to test the new DLC content if he could beat it in one sitting. That was yesterday. Not sure how things turned out.

PS3

apocrypha, as everyone should know by now, is unable to play games on a PC due to his spinal injury. He yelled at us earlier for disparaging comments on console FPS gameplay for Operation Powerpoint : Radial Menu Rising

He yelled at us earlier for disparaging comments on console FPS gameplay for Operation Powerpoint : Radial Menu Rising

Sorry to derail this even more, but is there any improvement lately with your back lately? It seems like even a few months ago you were saying 2-3 hours.

Or get a gamepad and hook your pc up to your tv.  :oh_i_see:

Why not build a dirt cheap HTPC and get that LAN streaming thing big gulp linked in another thread?  Use your highspeed computer on your TV without moving it and play on the tv with a wireless mouse and keyboard.  Problems solved, and you could even play WoW more.

Opening cinematic for borderlands:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/opening-cinematic-borderlands/57777

1 more week.

In the IGN review it said co-op can only be done with people that are around the same spot in the story.  Does this mean you can't co op anytime with anyone?  Or is it a 360 thing?

Assuming you and those you're playing with are at the same point in the main story it's possible to quest together,

The thing of it is, the flaws are glaring because most of it looks so good.  AI looks pretty awful, I don't see as many new mob type new trick enemies in the various vids as Diablo gave us for example.  Also I think they need more skins for the various characters, I can tell I'm going to play all 4 just because I hate the idea of being the same as someone else.  But if they make big initial sales (they will I'd imagine) then I'm sure they can DLC a bunch of really cool new stuff in and I look forward to that.  The gameplay itself just looks so goddamn fun.  I love shooting things, I love fighting over loot and I love demanding satisfaction.  Also post apoc is my fav generic setting and the art style is pretty awesome.

It'd be nice if you could change your colors or something.

Character customization, aside from the guns, skills and handful of accessories, is limited to choosing a name and clothing colors.

Green?

From the IGN review (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1035922p1.html):

I looked back through the thread a bit and didn't see this posted yet so thought I'd throw it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUJrKGN3C0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUJrKGN3C0)

:drill:

It was linked on the last page.

My PS3 pre-order says 23rd October.... which will most likely be the 2nd day of a national postal strike here in the UK. Talk about mixed feelings. a) The posties really need to strike and win but b) I want my Borderlands!  :uhrr:

Do you normally taste your tip?

Hellgate in a desert, but not shit.

Does it have local 2-person coop play as well as the 4-person online?

Hm. How realistic is the violence? Kind of cartoony melt-your-face, blow-arms-off? Or pretty hardcore bloodsplatter and viscera stuff?

Kid and I have been wanting a new coop experience for a while.

Jim: But they don’t detract from it being grim – headshots are grisly shit.
John: Exploding someone is awesomely disgusting.
Kieron: The violence is impressive. It’s actually one of the best violent games in recent times.
Alec: Brick on full face-crushing rampage is quite the thing
Jim: Although the people burning is weird, I like some of the elemental death effects, like the skull of people being electrocuted to death.
Alec: Genuinely psychopathic and graphic.
Kieron: As Alec said, when I punch a dude’s head off it’s a thing of joy, especially when it says CRITICAL! (Like, no shit)
Jim: Yeah, the little chuckle from Mordecai when someone’s head explodes is splendid.
Alec: By about level 20, Lilith is simultaneously setting someone on fire and electrocuting them, so I’ve added in a poison shotgun for good measure. It’s quite the thing, in terms of screaming and satisfying big, colourful numbers floating from mens’ heads.

She likes playing local Halo deathmatch against me, that sort of thing is perfectly fine, and we've done other cartoon-bloody stuff no problem.

Random maps?

Good luck connecting to a game on the PS3.

shocking

Yes.  How dare I assume the #1 selling point, co-op, to work out of the box.  Fuck me...

Good luck connecting to a game on the PS3.

Oh...is that largely due to the network infrastructure or something? Are we looking at the same problem that caused issues connecting to games like Fat Princess? Is it something that you think would be resolved in time or is this just "the nature of the platform" issue?

I have a PC perfectly capable of running it, but I spend my entire day on the PC working; I'd much rather get up from the chair and, as silly as it may seem, at least relax on the couch rather than being tied again to my work machine for another couple of hours.

OK?

I know what your comment was designed for. And you know I still think it's shit. There's like 30 other genres all of which I'd get on a console before PC.

As a flowchart it would be:

Is it a shooter? --> yes --> Get it on PC.
        |         \
       no         \
        |          is it Halo? --> Don't buy it
   get it on
  a console
        |
 wait, is it a  --> yes --> Ok, get that on PC too.
classic RTS
       |
      no
       |
Continue with
console
purchasification

schild was just looking for an excuse to make a flow chart.

Halo bashing is so 2007.

Steam preorder mocks me with its lack of preload.

Our marketing VP just got back with me and says that yes, we will be able to offer pre-loading for Steam customers!

gbxnettle:
steam version uses steam copy protection. Not securom.

Man, it's so 2003 but it won't stop until they stop making the godawful generic thing.

They are adding normal-mapped nipples.

They are adding normal-mapped nipples.

They should just let us download it right now.  Why make us wait longer than consoles?  WHI?

How does Uncharted 2 fit in there?  :awesome_for_real:

Wouldn't that be a character action game?


Also, nipples should be bump-mapped.

Ok, why the fuck is the EU release date for the pc version October 30?

"you have to wait 4 extra days for no reason ololol"

There are a million screenshots and videos on the web. Why do you need us to post screenshot porn?

Already finished the pre-load. Didn't even have to restart anything.

:facepalm:

Hurr? I'm in Europe, bought it with a European credit card, and Steam says it unlocks on Monday night. No extra waiting.

Give in to your Valve overlords.

Edit: Did I mention that it shows up at the top of the installed list too?

So has anybody other than King Cock Jockey even gotten through to begin pre-loading?

Edit:  Haha, 1 minute after I post that I suddenly get through and can start downloading.  Hint:  The key is to keep pressing the start button over and over again for a minute straight  :awesome_for_real:

Your order for Borderlands (with Pre-Order Exclusive Gearbox Mercenary Weapon Pack) has been posted.

Please allow 3-5 days delivery.

I want this game! But is it fun?

So, my limited game time in continous sessions and odd playing hours don't let me play with other people all that much. Anybody already tried single player and can confirm this will be fun as well? Because it sounds tuned for awesome multiplayer first and foremost.

Living with a girlfriend really hampers on my gaming time.  Good thing she's a teacher and goes to be at 9:30-10pm every weekday.  FREEDOM!

I just make it known that no, I don't care about Dancing With the Stars or America's Next Top Model, but by all means, she can dig on that.  Just don't get your panties in an uproar if I choose not to have "couple time" while she's watching that shit.  Gives me plenty of time for dicking around on the computer.

In other words, find a girl with shitty TV watching habits.

In other words, find a girl with shitty TV watching habits.

Sadly my girlfriend doesn't even have a TV. I'm not prepared to dump her for it, though! That and her compulsive hatred for all things gaming are her only flaws, and I suspect its two sides of the same one!  :awesome_for_real:

The Reqs are better worded on Steam:
System Requirements
OS: Windows XP/Vista
Processor: 2.4 Ghz or equivalent processor
Memory: 1GB System RAM (2GB recommended with Vista)
Graphics: 256mb video ram or better (GeForce 8 series or higher/Radeon R8xx series)
Hard Drive: 8 GB or more free space
Sound: Windows compatible sound card

10:30PM? What kind of extracurricular bullshit is she involved in?

I just make it known that no, I don't care about Dancing With the Stars or America's Next Top Model, but by all means, she can dig on that.  Just don't get your panties in an uproar if I choose not to have "couple time" while she's watching that shit.  Gives me plenty of time for dicking around on the computer.

In other words, find a girl with shitty TV watching habits.

Or find a partner who games. :awesome_for_real:

Are you actually retarded and too stupid to read messages, Hoax? We don't live together, you should really try to refine your trolling techniques you sad little fuck!

lol, I was just kidding and agreeing with Gulp's analysis, I don't care enough about you to troll you buddy.

RPS posted about the in-game voice chat in their sound-off about it. RPS is exclusively PC when it comes to games, so I'm confident that VOIP is in there.

Edit: And apparently it can't be disabled at the moment, and is voice-triggered, not push-to-talk.

No push to talk? Playing with Schild is going to be aweeeeesome.

Sadly, that probably still doesn't help us in Europe, where Steam ships take so long to arrive.  :heartbreak: (awesome pun by the way, really brightened my day when I read it)

RPS posted about the in-game voice chat in their sound-off about it. RPS is exclusively PC when it comes to games, so I'm confident that VOIP is in there.

Edit: And apparently it can't be disabled at the moment, and is voice-triggered, not push-to-talk.

According to Gearbox ; if enough early copies are sold, they will unlock it on steam prior to the release date.

Oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man oh MAN.

  Its selling copies out the ass seems like. 

What even makes you compare the two?

Oh, you're gonna respond Post-Apocalyptic right?

Borderlands isn't.

It also isn't an MMOG.

It also probably had a bigger budget.

It's also made by a veteran FPS team.

I'm not defending Fallen Earth. I'm just telling you not to be stupid.

We were sent a review copy of Borderlands to check out for the VGAs, and after an hour or so of play I went over to my computer and ordered that Borderlands four-pack. I decided then and there that I wasn't going to deal with any "should I buy it" or "I don't know man" bullshit from potential comrades. I'm just going to drop a Steam code in their laps, and then gesture in the direction of the wasteland. I didn't really understand that the PC version was coming out later than the console iterations, even though it said as much on the screen, so now I've got several days to itch and sweat while console players learn what I already know.

I know they're real busy over at Gearbox, but a demo would go a long way.  I suspect that most people won't understand what they've accomplished here, which is to make good on Hellgate's promise in a kind of Weird West milieu. Thief: The Dark Project was sometimes called a "First-Person Looter," though it is even more apt here - God help you when the shakes start, and your awareness narrows to a dark funnel that only slight variations in statistics may penetrate.

Hey guys,

As you may have heard from me already (and have seen on the Gearbox forums) we know about this situation. I'll let you know when I have more to tell you, but as of right now I'm looking in to things!

Thanks.

As you can imagine, things here (and I'm sure at 2K) are very very busy - we're tracking responses, cataloging reviews, reading feedback, working with tech support, and a million other things. I certainly don't mean to seem silent or uncaring on an important issue like this - I'll tell you that personally I was spending a good amount of time today creating a document to help out our tech support guys, and didn't even see this thread until a few hours ago, or I would have commented earlier. (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=77177&page=45)

I don't currently have any information about the Best Buy digital downloads, but I will try to get your question answered as soon as I can. (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=77177&page=48)

List of stuff I'm waiting for information on:

1. the topic of this thread
2. best buy digital download issues
3. steam downloads/unlocking

I'll continue checking my e-mail from home tonight to see if there are any updates that I can share on any of these issues.  (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=77177&page=50)

I'm part of the decision process, and I'm staying here to figure it out for you. Only 5 PM my time, anyway. Many more hours to work!