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Shatter
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People have been using the official guild search to try and get a good grasp of population numbers. Of guilds listed as PVP, sith outnumber republic over 3 to 1. Thats kind of insane.
F Jedi, their force abilities throw dirt at people, Sith throw lightning...do the math :P |
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Ingmar
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OK, so 3:2 or 4:3. The principle still stands, IMO.
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Merusk
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He should have said the splits WERE like that. Which they were, up until Horde got elves. Much as they hate them, they evened the population out a lot.
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Sjofn
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I love my dude blood elves. <3
I hope I love my chick smuggler, dammit.
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Pezzle
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If you love Snark, and we know that you do..
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lamaros
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He should have said the splits WERE like that. Which they were, up until Horde got elves. Much as they hate them, they evened the population out a lot.
Huh? Ingmar was saying that PvP populations were 3:1 Horde:Alliance. They are currently about 55:45. Blood Elves make up 16% of PvP characters. That would swing it more Horde way with their introduction, not less, you would think? PvE is still Alliance dominated, being 63:37, with again BE being the most popular horde race. So the 3:1 breakdown was only ever really around in Alliance:Horde terms with PvE. Horde never outnumbered Alliance in any significant way in WoW, individual servers excepted. The comparison is not really there at all. Edit: 3:2 or 4:3 would be 60:40 or 57:43. 55:45 is closer to 6:5. /pedant. |
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« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 08:43:37 PM by lamaros »
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Ingmar
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My perception is probably colored by a brief visit I made to Cho'gall, which is something like 1000:1 Horde:Alliance.
In any case my core point is there will always be imbalance on PVP servers if you make one side all GRR WE ARE METAL, and probably a corresponding imbalance on PVE servers in the other direction. Even if it is just 5:4, that's 25% more players on one side, which is significant, whether for queue length or for world PVP.
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If you love Snark, and we know that you do..
I am trying so hard not to get overexcited about this game, but everyone seems to think I'm really going to like it. It's good! But bad! WHAT IF YOU'RE ALL WRONG. |
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Chimpy
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If faction based PvP is an important focus of the game and requires near numerical parity to function properly, then regardless of how well you remove the obvious GRR PUNK RAWK differences, you need to do some form of numerical balancing from the get-go. Aion's limit on character creation worked fairly well early on, it just fell apart later when their "all characters created, period" formula became useless when the first waves quit and people started making the usual AH mules.
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Ginaz
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« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 11:54:11 PM by Rasix »
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caladein
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NDA Narwhal, ATTACK!
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Evildrider
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Narwhal Hoooo!
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Rasix
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DAT DON'T SEEM LEGIT. Or does this fall under the journalism thing? I haven't been keeping up.  edit: fuck it, I'm going in. Narwhal'd. |
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« Last Edit: October 25, 2011, 11:54:39 PM by Rasix »
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Evildrider
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I'm pretty sure more than half of that list is NDA material still unfortunately.
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Ginaz
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DAT DON'T SEEM LEGIT. Or does this fall under the journalism thing? I haven't been keeping up. edit: fuck it, I'm going in. Narwhal'd. Sorry, I thought the companions info was already released by Bioware awhile ago. |
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Rasix
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No biggie. Info is out there, people can find it.
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eldaec
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I think we've reached the point where people are finding the Narwhal meme more fun than they find widely reported public domain nda info new or interesting anyway.
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Shatter
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I think we've reached the point where people are finding the Narwhal meme more fun than they find widely reported public domain nda info new or interesting anyway.
Guilty as charged |
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Yay, love a good narwhal siting! As far as balancing TEH AEWSUM EVILLLL and lolboyscouts; you could take a page from Rift and make both sides generic. F Jedi, their force abilities throw dirt at people, Sith throw lightning...do the math :P
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Lakov_Sanite
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Does population balance even matter in a game without world pvp? Sure it might make battleground queue times longer but really, fuck pvp in mmo's.
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Morfiend
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Does population balance even matter in a game without world pvp? Sure it might make battleground queue times longer but really, fuck pvp in mmo's.
Unless that is something that has been confirmed, the info floating around the swtor forums says that there is open world pvp, bascially the same as WoW, some zones (planets) will allow faction based PVP. If there wasnt, why would they even need PVP servers. |
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Shatter
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There will be PvP servers where in certain zones PvP is allowed, IE Tatooine. They also plan to have an open PvP world where there are specific PvP objectives, etc. I am assuming the difference between PvE and PvP servers is one will basically allow ganking in more areas vs the other server type but both will have the world PvP location. I believe they said Ilum is the world PvP planet
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Paelos
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Ah yes, the magical "open world" pvp. We're all winners when that's included.
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01101010
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Any idea if they are going to have PoV effects such as the drunk effect in WoW if you drink certain beverages? Or is that still NDA fodder?
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Fordel
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No idea on drunk effect, never thought to test it.
The test group I'm in was on a PvP server, but the way leveling works you're not likely to see the opposing faction till the end game. Unless they specifically go out of their way to find you, which is of course probable as there's always that one guy who can't get off unless he ganks some noobs... but in terms of leveling flow, the two factions are kept pretty darn separate it seems.
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Sand
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A couple pages ago people were gnashing teeth over the official CE price of $150.
Its now at $350 on Amazon. And one at $600.
Do they think people cant figure out its still available on Target and Walmart for the original price?
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Fordel
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Fools and their money and all that jazz.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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VainEldritch
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A couple pages ago people were gnashing teeth over the official CE price of $150.
Its now at $350 on Amazon. And one at $600.
Do they think people cant figure out its still available on Target and Walmart for the original price?
CE appears to be sold out even in the bankrupt shit hole I call home (Portugal). |
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Sand
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A couple pages ago people were gnashing teeth over the official CE price of $150.
Its now at $350 on Amazon. And one at $600.
Do they think people cant figure out its still available on Target and Walmart for the original price?
CE appears to be sold out even in the bankrupt shit hole I call home (Portugal). Last I looked Target and Walmart have it marked as available. If they dont ship to Portugal I will buy you a copy and sell it to you for only $250+ shipping!  |
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Sjofn
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Yay, love a good narwhal siting!
As far as balancing TEH AEWSUM EVILLLL and lolboyscouts; you could take a page from Rift and make both sides generic.
Yes, but then people die from boredom because "holy crap this is so generic it makes my eyes roll into the back of my head and I pass out from the Dull." Plus it's Star Wars, you either kick puppies or save them, THE END. |
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Simond
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Last I looked Target and Walmart have it marked as available. Pretty sure all that means it you'll get an email a day or so before launch from them saying "Oops, we've run out of stock! Our bad". Even the non-CE sales are being limited at launch, remember? |
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Merusk
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Last I looked Target and Walmart have it marked as available. Pretty sure all that means it you'll get an email a day or so before launch from them saying "Oops, we've run out of stock! Our bad". Even the non-CE sales are being limited at launch, remember? Yeah, I was going to post that Target and Walmart oversell just like Best Buy used to and I'm fairly certain Amazon still does. They expect folks to cancel orders or not keep the minimum in their debit accts so things don't get sold. |
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Sir T
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Plus it's Star Wars, you either kick puppies younglings or save them, THE END.
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IGN jacked out another TOR load, talking about dungeons instances flashpoints. http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1210714p1.htmlThe Esseles builds tension not through its encounters -- many of which are simple to suit the beginner-status of the Flashpoint -- but through choices. At two particular points, players are given story-bending options, and through the dice-rolling conversation system, only one player's choice will decide the outcome. This can make the group story sequences quite tense, because unless you're constantly communicating with your party members you have no way of knowing what those players will choose.
The Hammer, a separate Flashpoint set on an Empire-controlled superweapon, is more focused on the cooperative aspects of group play. The Flashpoint is set on a massive weapon designed to fire gigantic asteroids indiscriminately at planets, and you have to shut it down.
The Hammer introduces the idea of using player's crafting abilities to create quicker, less dangerous paths through the Flashpoint. Towards the start of the instance, we came across a drill pointed at a wall and a control panel that could only be operated by someone with a certain level of salvaging ability. One of our party members just happened to be able to salvage the drill. It switched on, drilled a hole through the adjacent wall, and made a path directly to the first boss. I'm liking what I'm reading here.  |
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