APB: Finally, I Can Be A PUNK!

[Shatter]

Has the NDA on this game been formally dropped yet? I haven't seen an official message anywhere.

If its live does the NDA apply anymore?  lol

[Threash]

Opinions, was this a dick move on my part:  I was on a mission with a large group of random people, about six on each side.  After a few large battles defending one target one of our members gets to notoriety five.  So the guy gets stunned and is in the process of being arrested by someone not in our mission, i couldn't kill the guy arresting him or save him so i went ahead and executed my teamate boondock saints style.  My thinking was there was no saving him anways, being arrested takes a bit longer to respawn than just dying, i might as well get the reward and the team killer medal if he was fucked anyways.  The other guy was quite pissed about it though and ended up quitting the mission.  Should i not have done that? was that wrong of me?

[LK]

Ah bullshit game mechanics, it's been awhile since I've seen you in an MMO.

[caladein]

If he's getting arrested by a guy not in your mission and you have a lives to worry about, I'd let the arrest go.  If that isn't the case, then yeah, killing him is better than letting him get arrested (better still is breaking the arrest up, but you already said that wasn't an option).

[Ginaz]

Has the NDA on this game been formally dropped yet? I haven't seen an official message anywhere.

If people are paying money for this right now, then there shouldn't be an NDA.

[Mrbloodworth]

Opinions, was this a dick move on my part:  I was on a mission with a large group of random people, about six on each side.  After a few large battles defending one target one of our members gets to notoriety five.  So the guy gets stunned and is in the process of being arrested by someone not in our mission, i couldn't kill the guy arresting him or save him so i went ahead and executed my teamate boondock saints style.  My thinking was there was no saving him anways, being arrested takes a bit longer to respawn than just dying, i might as well get the reward and the team killer medal if he was fucked anyways.  The other guy was quite pissed about it though and ended up quitting the mission.  Should i not have done that? was that wrong of me?

Well, for one, the bonus for arresting a criminal while he/she is at star 5 is huge for the arresting officer. So his death robbed the officer of that, allowed your team mate to re-spawn faster. So, no not a dick move IMO.

However if I was the officer, I would have been pissed (its a ton of cash and contact/faction standing)! So, I can only imagine the rage you gave the arresting guy. But unless it was your teams last life, it was going to be a take out regardless. (Arresting counts as a death ETC.. as far as missions go)

[caladein]

Arresting counts as a death ETC.. as far as missions go

Only if the arrest/kill is by someone in your mission.  I've had teammates die to people outside the mission because of Notoriety 5 and it hasn't taken a life away.

[Threash]

There was no lives counter involved, we were on a "defend this door" mission just trying to make the time run out.

[Mrbloodworth]

Arresting counts as a death ETC.. as far as missions go

Only if the arrest/kill is by someone in your mission.  I've had teammates die to people outside the mission because of Notoriety 5 and it hasn't taken a life away.

Ah, I missed the part about being outside the mission, still though, I don't think it was a dick move.

[Lantyssa]

Bastard deserved to die for getting caught by the Fuzz.

[climbjtree]

Okay, I'm in the game as "rldmoto" on LaRocha.

[Mrbloodworth]

Okay, I'm in the game as "rldmoto" on LaRocha.

Tried to pick you up into the clan, but you are a dirty criminal!

[climbjtree]

Oh yeah. About that 

I'll make an enforcer later on, but it'll be tough. I have a mean ol' grudge against them right now!

Biggest problem for me is that my PDW gets owned by all the NTEC guys. Can any of you rich folk mail me a machine gun?

[Kageru]

Arresting a criminal, notoriety 5 or not, should definitely be a hostile act to his team so that questions like the previous just don't come up and so that there is some danger in claiming the bounty.

[climbjtree]

I read your post five times and I'm still lost. Break it down in total noob terms, please?

[caladein]

At Notoriety 5, you are hostile to everyone and vice versa.

So, if someone outside your mission (or in general if you're not currently in one) is trying to arrest a teammate you can't attack the person attempting the arrest unless you yourself are also at Notoriety 5.

I don't know if you can break someone out of their handcuffs while someone is attempting to arrest them, but even so it'd be mostly impossible to do so.

[FatuousTwat]

Oh yeah. About that 

I'll make an enforcer later on, but it'll be tough. I have a mean ol' grudge against them right now!

Biggest problem for me is that my PDW gets owned by all the NTEC guys. Can any of you rich folk mail me a machine gun?

PDW is a secondary weapon.

[Furiously]

I've noticed I get killed by the star a lot. So I just unlocked the top reward one. Talk about a sick weapon I didn't realize/recall it was a automatic weapon (really slow firing) but the range and damage on that monster is pretty good. Close range lots will still beat you. I'll have to test it against an obir tomorrow.

[TripleDES]

There's already bots spamming RMT into district channels. 100K APB bux for 39$. 

[Threash]

Heh, its 18 bucks on larocha.

[Der Helm]

Thinking about buying this... should I ?

I came to rather dislike Global Agenda.

[TripleDES]

Heh, its 18 bucks on larocha.

I guess that guy overhere on Patriot has still to get his ROI on the boxed copies. On the other hand, I'm still on my KttC key, since Play.com's fucking late, and I made like 110K$ idling Fashionista and Tuner. Maybe these guys harvested keys.

[Chinchilla]

Yeah I think they harvested KttC keys and are going to sit in social only so the time doesn't burn up. They should disable all the KttC keys if that's possible. Maybe not right now but eventually.

[climbjtree]

PDW is a secondary weapon.

Okay, then it's not the PDW. It looks like what in real life is an HK MP5k. It's like the first submachine gun you can unlock.

[Mrbloodworth]

PDW is a secondary weapon.

Okay, then it's not the PDW. It looks like what in real life is an HK MP5k. It's like the first submachine gun you can unlock.

The "SMG", its effective range is around or less than 20-25m (not exact numbers). Outside of that, I think degradation kicks in, and yeah, N-Tec will have you at range indeed. If I can ill mail you an N-Tec. Dirty criminal.

EDIT: Sent.

Been making some logos for clan mates.

[Threash]

That is miles ahead of anything i've managed to come up with.  I don't get why they didn't just give us a brush option.

[climbjtree]

I went ahead and created Bat Country for the criminal characters on LaRocha. Shoot a message in game to me (rldmoto) or post here and I'll make sure you get pulled in.

[FatuousTwat]

I think I'm pretty much done, and I can't recommend this for new people to pick up for the same reason I'm quitting; upgrades.


Today with my newb enforcer on zombie I went up against 4 different teams that had over rank 200, but were only like threat level 5 or 6 (I assume because they have been purposefully failing missions over and over), with triple character and weapon upgrades. I would get the drop on one, shoot them 4 or 5 times with and n-tec, and they would turn around and kill me in three hits with their SUPER n-tec. They weren't snapping to me or using any other obvious hacks, and I wasn't spraying and praying, in fact most of the time I was crouched and in cover, and they were out in the open.

Are they expecting new people to ever play this game? As it stands now, I can't imagine anyone just starting not wanting to punch a hole in a wall after playing two missions.

[Furiously]

I'm R167 and noticing a LOT more people magically knowing where I am, and being deadly accurate.

Google turns up like 3 or 4 different aimbots for APB. Looks like they don't even have punkbuster turned on yet.

[Mrbloodworth]

Fixes for 1.2.1 (41)

GENERAL

    * A number of district crashes have now been resolved.
    * An issue where the incorrect character could be deleted has now been fixed.
    * Tuner and Fashionista roles no longer reward the player with APB$.
    * An AMD Phenom timing issue with that could result in degraded performance or issues logging in, has now been fixed.
    * A number of advanced graphics settings have moved to APBMachineOptions.ini. This file will not be overwritten by the launcher, allowing players to edit the settings.

[Chinchilla]

Awww damn, well I'm glad I took advantage and got the $$ I could from leaving my guy AFK with it.

I wonder what they will be doing about the aimbots and such.

[Engels]

I would get the drop on one, shoot them 4 or 5 times with and n-tec, and they would turn around and kill me in three hits with their SUPER n-tec.

How did they get this wrong? All successful FPS games out there have worked this out, to one extent or another. This is so basic a mistake in design that people should lose their jobs over it. Nothing like discouraging new comers to your game by having them at a huge disadvantage.

Hand-wringers out there, protesting that the threat level was meant to keep higher levels out of griefing behavior, stop right there.

Dev's First Rule: If it can be exploited, it will be exploited.

[01101010]

I would get the drop on one, shoot them 4 or 5 times with and n-tec, and they would turn around and kill me in three hits with their SUPER n-tec.

How did they get this wrong? All successful FPS games out there have worked this out, to one extent or another. This is so basic a mistake in design that people should lose their jobs over it. Nothing like discouraging new comers to your game by having them at a huge disadvantage.

Hand-wringers out there, protesting that the threat level was meant to keep higher levels out of griefing behavior, stop right there.

Dev's First Rule: If it can be exploited, it will be exploited.

Too much MMO in my FPS... This was my problem from playing in beta.

[Engels]

I don't think that's the case. Core gameplay can't be subject to player leveling. That's as true for MMOs as it is to FPS. In MMOs, you become more powerful as your adversaries become more powerful, ideally simply adding a level of complexity to the game rather than any serious advantage.

[Mrbloodworth]

I don't think that's the case. Core gameplay can't be subject to player leveling. That's as true for MMOs as it is to FPS. In MMOs, you become more powerful as your adversaries become more powerful, ideally simply adding a level of complexity to the game rather than any serious advantage.

There really are not any serious advantages though, with possible exception of the + health, + Regen rate or + Damage. Everything else is utility, like faster reloads, one more shot in the clip, or slightly increased range or COF changes (some can't be put on some gun types or mixed with other upgrades).

Most encounters come down to, personal skill, and weapon choise for the situation. Its all very situational. There are no levels in the game. People keep looking at rank thinking its a level or something. The only thing it does is its used as a content prerequisite, it does not boost health, it does not give you "better gear" or anything like traditional levels. You can use most guns (at least base types, and even some "named") from first log in. You can get them from friends, from the market for in game cash or RTW point. FatuousTwat could have send himself some gear, or bought some (if we are using him as an example).

Unlocks only stop you from buying from NPC's (Not from using or equipping), Rank is only a prerequisite from SOME items (usually incredibly low for what it is), Threat is whats used in match making (its a sum total of your kill/death, and success rates), one would think that if you had the mods I listed above, your minimum threat level would raise, on principle.

I'm running around with a three slot OBIR (Burst gun, rank 3 reload, rank 2 clip size, and rank 1 outside marksmanship accuracy. IIRCC), I did not unlock this, or earn it, but I can use it. (Thanks brimstone) It has not made me uber.

I have had worse "match making" in other lobby based shooters that feature unlock systems.

But I agree in some aspects, where can they go with a system like this but up, I have been saying this for a while. They need to remove/temper the pure power upgrades (Health, regain and damage) and temper everything else with downsides. Want more range? Loose damage. Want more accuracy? Loose range. Bigger clip? Loose mobility. ETC.. This way it becomes a matter of customization of playstyle, rather than just increases.