APB: Finally, I Can Be A PUNK!

[Threash]

My rage for this game has subsided. I'm not going to play it, even though I wish I could play around with the avatar customizer with all options unlocked. If you guys like it, by all means, play it. The game seems fun at first until you discover how deep the rabbit hole goes. Or, in this case, sink hole.

If you just keep playing around with it you will level up the fashionista role and unlock more and more stuff.

[Rendakor]

Is the KttC still going on? I tried getting a key from Rock, Paper, Shotgun, but it was declared invalid or expired when I tried to register it.

[LK]

Kotaku is handing out keys.

http://kotaku.com/5567175/get-your-free-apb-key-to-the-city-codes-here

Rather... advanced distribution model, that.

[Hoax]

If you actually want another key use http://www.keytothecity.ea.com/ annoying amount of fake info needs to be input but at least it works and gives you a key, just tested it.

nvm they will give you a key but the keys aren't good anymore or something it seems or I got unlucky.

[Mrbloodworth]

Its over tomorrow AFAIK.

/goes back in to the void

[Cadaverine]

It is.  KTTC ends on the 19th.

[EvilJohn]

Hi all,

Thanks for the discussion and insight. Agree or disagree, it is much appreciated.

With the KttC ending tomorrow, I hope folks got a chance to form their opinions - and I look forward to seeing what the future holds.

For those that ended up with strong negative emotions towards the game... my apologies that it did not live up to your expectations.

And one final comment about the embargo discussion - I think it would be ludicrous for me to be defensive so I'll try some sincerity... there was no intent to obfuscate the perception of the game, we put out well over a million keys and we will in no way restrict individuals who purchase the game from posting any viewpoint whatever form it takes. We were asking for professional revieiwers to base their impressions on the release, nothing more.

You may be believe otherwise, and that is absolutely your right.

Back to lurking with the occasional comment. ;)

Thanks again for your time and discussion.
 

[Azazel]

Thats BS, And you can rightly fuck off. You seem to be miss reading or not reading my comments. I never said I was wonderful, or better, I was talking about how I may have different perspectives so it tempers my responses to be more than "This sucks ass".

That's a bit retarded guys. Not sure how you could even come to such a conclusion if you bothered to read my postings. Its true, I am perhaps more optimistic than most about any game, I just happen to appreciate things differently, and perhaps simply appreciate the work that goes into titles more than you.

hence my reply.

Furiously - only when people are being dicks or full of themselves. My first post to Bloodworth contained no profanity or attacks, and simply expressed an opinion that several others had and have regarding his unbridled enthusiasm. (go read the post) In response, I got the "retarded" and "I appreciate things more than you" comments above.

No issue with anyone liking anything, even if I think it's personally shit. (What do I care what other people like?) I have no firsthand opinion of APB, though I had followed it with interest and my third-person perspective of the game is disappointment, not hate or "touched on the doll". BW's enthusiasm was/is so strong that it raised eybrows. My mention of this (not the first or even the second person to do so, either) got "retarded" in response from him. That got him "dickhead" back from me.

In the same situation, you may have invited him over for tea and crumpets, and that would be your choice.

[kildorn]

Amusingly I had time to try this today, got a key from the EA store, and it's expired if I try to register it. Oh well, here's hoping there's an actual trial system when the game is officially released.

[Chinchilla]

I'm buying it on release.  Call me what you wann call me, but I love how when I log on I get right into some fast paced heavy action that is basically non-stop.  with my time being limited due to a demanding GF (which I'm not complaining, but I would like a little more game time) it is awesome  get some mission and some group action.  I have done nothing, but PUG and so far they have been fairly decent.  Some better than others, but overall pretty good.

[Threash]

Yeah i pre ordered too, the 10 free hours of the key to the city event left me wanting more.  If i manage to go through the 50 hours that come with the box and i have to actually think about whether to sub or buy more time i will consider that money well spent.

[Mrbloodworth]

I do believe pre-order is a +10 to the 50 hours. I also have pre-ordered and will be making an enforce clan with some pals, everyone is more than welcome to join.

Amusingly I had time to try this today, got a key from the EA store, and it's expired if I try to register it. Oh well, here's hoping there's an actual trial system when the game is officially released.

I read that some keys were NA and some EU and that some people entered them in tot he wrong spot and of course got an invalid error.

[LC]

Nija: I miss you on irc.

People that bought the game: Ha Ha suckers.

Evil John: All you had to do was copy GTA3/4. How the fuck did you get it wrong?

Everyone else: Sup

[kildorn]

I do believe pre-order is a +10 to the 50 hours. I also have pre-ordered and will be making an enforce clan with some pals, everyone is more than welcome to join.

Amusingly I had time to try this today, got a key from the EA store, and it's expired if I try to register it. Oh well, here's hoping there's an actual trial system when the game is officially released.

I read that some keys were NA and some EU and that some people entered them in tot he wrong spot and of course got an invalid error.

I just followed the link from apb.com that went to EA's store to 'buy' a free key to the event, entered key into apb.com's account creation, and was told it was expired. I figure there's something funky with keys on the last day, probably a bug in the registration server (like it considering "ends 6/19" to be 12:00am on that date, while the login servers do not)

[Rendakor]

That was happening to me yesterday as well kildorn, albeit with a key from a different site. Glad I didn't bother with the registration hassle for the EA keys.

[Chinchilla]

Well KTTC just ended :-(.  I am going to go and preorder so i can jump in on the action on 6/26.  I rarely preorder or do that kinda stuff on these games, but I really enjoy this one.  Sure it has its issues, but the fun factor FAR out weighs the issues that I am sure they will fix.

[Kageru]

I'm glad that a lot of people are buying into this game... I look forward to good reports of what a train-wreck looks like from the passenger seats.

[Stormwaltz]

I hope it isn't a train wreck. It's a great idea for a shooter game, but the attempt to market it to MMG players was a terrible decision. The majority of MMG players are casual soloists. Many will be drawn by the awesome customization, then die over and over in the merciless PvP gankfest and leave badmouthing the game. It has definite design issues, and despite them people are having a lot of fun. Fun is often enough.

But I won't be playing. I'm too casual to wring any fun out of swimming with sharks.

[Kageru]

Like Global Agenda and Crimecraft it's going to hit the exact same chasm. Too poor a shooter for the serious FPS fans, too little world for the MMO fan's and too little content other than ganking and griefing for many people to stay around from the long haul. Indeed I expect the people who were hoping for GTA online to turn on it quite quickly and lead to awful word of mouth. If it had "ownership" of game real estate so there was some "stickyness", like Global Agenda sort of tried for, maybe it would last longer but it doesn't and I can't imagine them holding enough population retention to fund the changes they'd need to add that.

I'm pretty sure we will see a good combination of FPS and MMO, but I don't think this is it.

[LC]

Like Global Agenda and Crimecraft it's going to hit the exact same chasm. Too poor a shooter for the serious FPS fans, too little world for the MMO fan's and too little content other than ganking and griefing for many people to stay around from the long haul. Indeed I expect the people who were hoping for GTA online to turn on it quite quickly and lead to awful word of mouth. If it had "ownership" of game real estate so there was some "stickyness", like Global Agenda sort of tried for, maybe it would last longer but it doesn't and I can't imagine them holding enough population retention to fund the changes they'd need to add that.

I'm pretty sure we will see a good combination of FPS and MMO, but I don't think this is it.

What ganking and griefing? You have to be on a mission to shoot/kill enemy players. It's 100% consensual pvp, and as soon as the mission ends you are back to being invulnerable again. It's 100% boring consensual pvp.

[Kageru]

I have more faith in human ingenuity than I do in RTW's care in design.... that and I've been reading the goon forums.

"The best thing to do is ram someone on foot at high speed and carry them 20 miles down the road because they arent on a mission with you. Also! You cant kill them, but you can squash them into NPC cars, which can!"

[Chinchilla]

Wasn't there a post earlier with some links for newbie help and instructions?  I looked around here, but couldn't find it.

[caladein]

What ganking and griefing? You have to be on a mission to shoot/kill enemy players. It's 100% consensual pvp, and as soon as the mission ends you are back to being invulnerable again. It's 100% boring consensual pvp.

It's only consensual in that you keep doing missions after Notoriety 2 or keep being in an action district for levels above that.  That's a bit like saying logging into a BFBC2 server is consensual PvP.  It is, but only if you take "agreeing to play the game" as consent.

[Margalis]

I hope it isn't a train wreck. It's a great idea for a shooter game, but the attempt to market it to MMG players was a terrible decision.

Who are they supposed to market it to, FPS players? People who are used to play shooting games with better mechanics for free?

Once they decided to charge for subs their hands were tied, they had to market to MMOG players.

[Chinchilla]

I hope it isn't a train wreck. It's a great idea for a shooter game, but the attempt to market it to MMG players was a terrible decision.

Who are they supposed to market it to, FPS players? People who are used to play shooting games with better mechanics for free?

Once they decided to charge for subs their hands were tied, they had to market to MMOG players.

Maybe I'm just totally out of the loop, but what free FPS shooters with a decent going persistent world are there out there?  I just really like the whole cop vs criminal thing and how there's always wars/fights goign on between the two.  And other stuff like that too.  Plus being part of that fighting is awesome!

[Rasix]

Do FPS players really give a shit about persistence?  I think they're accustomed to winning or losing games and then doing it again starting from zero.  (for free)

[Margalis]

Exactly. That's asking the wrong question.

Plus FPS games are starting to incorporate persistent elements. (For better or worse) Perks or medals or what have you. In most MMOS the "persistent world" is really just "persistent characters" and all sorts of genres now incorporate some level of character persistence.

[Rendakor]

Does this game even have any worldly persistence to speak of? Statues and shit in the social area is all, I thought. No clan-owned territory, no player housing, etc.

[Mrbloodworth]

Rumor has it that downtown is the next zone, and will feature clan territory gang war mechanics.

[Stormwaltz]

As mentioned, more FPS are shipping with class or gear unlocks and/or achievements. Appearance customization is also a growing feature in FPS (see: Battlefield Heroes, Brink). APB is already a generation ahead there.

And you can't tell me FPS players don't like waving their dicks in the air. APB's statues and and kill music are pure dick-waving (they're cool features, but let's call a spade a spade here).

[Shatter]

Does this game even have any worldly persistence to speak of? Statues and shit in the social area is all, I thought. No clan-owned territory, no player housing, etc.

Player housing where people can bust in on you and steal your bling...that might work

[Sky]

Player housing where people can bust in on you and steal your bling...that might work

Have you ever heard of a game called Ultima Online?

[Rendakor]

God forbid an MMO borrow an idea from a previous title.

[Signe]

I wanted to like it more than I ended up liking it.  Dammit.  I won't play, either.   

[Sky]

God forbid an MMO borrow an idea from a previous title.

Did you play Ultima Online when stealing from houses was a wide open feature (before lockdowns, rekeying, etc)?