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[shiznitz]

When you download a program, do you pay extra for a CD version to be shipped? I do.

[LK]

When you download a program, do you pay extra for a CD version to be shipped? I do.

Don't see the point really.  CDs can be lost, but "Download Now!" are usually easy to find on a game website's front page.

[Dren]

When you download a program, do you pay extra for a CD version to be shipped? I do.

No.

[Azazel]

Have you been to a EB Games or whatever store in the last 6 months?  Do you like the chioce of PC games that aren't MMO?  I have and I don't.  Maybe it's me that's changing.

You buy PC games at an EB store? Lolinternet. That's what they invented UPS for. As I've said, PC gamers all have PCs. Most have internet. Most internets have online stores. I can't believe they still stock PC games at all. Yeah, I was at EB a couple weeks ago to return a game I ordered online and pick up a new one in exchange. So it's good for that. And shitting on developers by buying used games. ;)

Why pay for shipping and the extra wait when you don't need to?
I buy a decent amount of stuff online, but only when I'm you know, saving money or getting shit I can't easily purchase in my area.

Having said that, I buy at EB when they have a sale or I'm getting them to price match, the rest of the time I support one of the indy places in my area.

[Strazos]

I don't have a problem buying stuff online...but I will not buy games online. It's a pain to find any sort of price difference, and then there is shipping. When I go out to buy a game, I'd rather get it That Day.

[Azazel]

Nod. By "stuff" I mean other stuff. Games (and electronics) not amongst them.

[Trippy]

A shitload of people, believe it or not, hate shopping online. Even those of us with Amazon Prime.

Amazon Prime is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Typhon]

As I've said, PC gamers all have PCs. Most have internet. Most internets have online stores. I can't believe they still stock PC games at all.

Interesting.  I didn't look at it from that perspective.  Seems possible.  Someone knows, as sales via internet versus sales via retail would tell you right away what the perferred delivery channel is for PC Games (I don't know). This might have even been discussed on this site (probably by yourself), if so I missed it.

And shitting on developers by buying used games. ;)

Only reason I ever go is to pick up games that are in the "old" bin that I thought I might want to play, but didn't think the title was worth initial retail $$.

[Sky]

Why pay for shipping and the extra wait when you don't need to?
I buy a decent amount of stuff online, but only when I'm you know, saving money or getting shit I can't easily purchase in my area.

Having said that, I buy at EB when they have a sale or I'm getting them to price match, the rest of the time I support one of the indy places in my area.

Indie places? Heh. The nearest EB is maybe 20-25 miles away. I save the drive time and gas (and dealing with the goddamned mall).

The extra wait is no big deal for me, I don't have much time to play video games anyway. I'm a patient man, my girlfriend calls me the master of deferred gratification. I call it the lessons learned via cunnilingus, applied in a broader way to the rest of life.

[Furiously]

I'm seeing this talk of indie software shops. I'm so confused. I have not seen one of those here in Seattle for like 20+ years.

[Strazos]

I've never seen one. At all.

[Sky]

We used to have one here. Back when I had a C-64. I remember paying $80 for Ultima 5. That guy was a total dick. He's the reason we formed the Blackbirds, our C-64 piracy/hacker user group (the owner of that shop ran the 'good' C-64 user group).

[WayAbvPar]

I've never seen one. At all.

You really need to get out of your neighborhood once in a while.

[Strazos]

By neighborhood, you could only possibly mean the southern NJ tri-state area. Hell, I've only ever seen 2 indie PC shops, neither of which actually sell software. And one of them is run by a crazy old Korean guy who sells pretty much only second-hand, obsolete gear.

[Merusk]

A shitload of people, believe it or not, hate shopping online. Even those of us with Amazon Prime.

I hate buying online because I have to keep track of it, and pay the tax to the state at the end of the year.  I'd much rather just pay up front and be done with it.   Some places tack on the appropriate state sales tax at the checkout, some don't.   Rather than fuck with it, I'd rather pick it up when I'm out shopping for other things.

lolinternet indeed.  LOLCATCHUPTOSTATELAWS is more like it. Internet shopping isn't quite refined enough to do it all the time.

And shitting on developers by buying used games. ;)

Not my fucking problem.  Do you shit on Automakers by buying used cars?  Do you shit on homebuilders by buying used houses?  No, because they're not wacko enough to not account for a secondary market.  But then the game industry has shown its immaturity and lack of foresight in so many other ways, why should this one be a surprise.

[Yegolev]

Why pay for shipping and the extra wait when you don't need to?

Because I have more money than time.

[Typhon]

By neighborhood, you could only possibly mean the southern NJ tri-state area. Hell, I've only ever seen 2 indie PC shops, neither of which actually sell software. And one of them is run by a crazy old Korean guy who sells pretty much only second-hand, obsolete gear.

I've never seen one either.  I go out plenty.

[WindupAtheist]

There used to be this shop in my neighborhood that dealt in ham radio gear and, for some reason, those crappy little Timex Sinclair computers.  (I cut my teeth on one when I was 8 or 9, prior to upgrading to a C-64.)  It was an odd place.  It was solely owned and operated by this one old man, with a workbench behind the counter where there were always two or three of the things scattered about disassembled.  He'd actually do repairs on the them, despite their being so cheap as to be essentially disposable even back then.  I'd go there and buy shitty games written in basic and saved on audio tape.

I ran into the guy a few years ago, a billion years old but seemingly in good health.  He looked like James Cromwell in that one Star Trek movie he did, trenchcoat and all.  Except he was wearing a huge gold bling-style medallion in the shape of the since-closed shop's name/logo, which is how I recognized him.  I asked him jokingly if he had anymore Timex computers.  He said in all seriousness that I could have a thousand of them for a quarter each.

Other than that, every bit of software I've ever purchased has been at some Software Etc. type place.

/shrug

[Azazel]

Indie places? Heh. The nearest EB is maybe 20-25 miles away. I save the drive time and gas (and dealing with the goddamned mall).

The extra wait is no big deal for me, I don't have much time to play video games anyway. I'm a patient man, my girlfriend calls me the master of deferred gratification. I call it the lessons learned via cunnilingus, applied in a broader way to the rest of life.

We clearly live in very different places. If you have a painful trip to the closest EB and you don't mind dealing with the post, then more power to you. For me, the trips are painless, as I often need to go to or through one of the four locales that are close by for other reasons - tomorrow, I go through Footscray and the CBD, so stopping past isn't going out of my way. My wife works through Sunshine, and so do I occasionally, so, well you get the idea.

I'm seeing this talk of indie software shops. I'm so confused. I have not seen one of those here in Seattle for like 20+ years.

I had no idea I was so fortunate. There's a fair few small chains and indie shops in my city/region of the world.

Why pay for shipping and the extra wait when you don't need to?

Because I have more money than time.

That covers the shipping, but not the extra wait. ;)

[Sky]

We clearly live in very different places. If you have a painful trip to the closest EB and you don't mind dealing with the post, then more power to you. For me, the trips are painless, as I often need to go to or through one of the four locales that are close by for other reasons - tomorrow, I go through Footscray and the CBD, so stopping past isn't going out of my way. My wife works through Sunshine, and so do I occasionally, so, well you get the idea.

Hrm. Sounds like a terrist. Enjoy the bombs!

;)

[Azazel]

I walk past a mosque to get to work most days, too! 

[WayAbvPar]

I walk past a mosque to get to work most days, too! 

As long as you don't drop anything into their 'Need explosives for jihad" bin, you are ok I think.

[Oban]

New game play footage posted...

http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_hellgatelondon_multichar_gpmontage.mov

Not sure if the lag/stuttering is intentional or not but...

Ranged combat seems a tad lame to me, really made me want to play my City of Heroes blaster.

Melee combat looks really awful too.

Also, wow, it is 2007 and developers of a modern game can not get the walking animations right?

[Falconeer]

Melee combat looks really awful too.

I disagree. Melee is the only thing that could be worth playing in that bland video. Melee is, at least, diablo-ish. Ranged looks like a messy kite fest.

EDIT: Do you think they are late to put in elves and make it fantasy_world#673 ?

[schild]

Also, wow, it is 2007 and developers of a modern game can not get the walking animations right?

You want to see walking done right? Folk's Soul blows EVERYTHING away. EVERYTHING. In every graphics department. Every single fucking one.

As for Hellgate: London. In the video I watched, came out a day or two ago (too lazy to click a link), I noticed that not a single piece of loot dropped. I was like, what?

[Signe]

Also, wow, it is 2007 and developers of a modern game can not get the walking animations right?

You want to see walking done right? Folk's Soul blows EVERYTHING away. EVERYTHING. In every graphics department. Every single fucking one.

As for Hellgate: London. In the video I watched, came out a day or two ago (too lazy to click a link), I noticed that not a single piece of loot dropped. I was like, what?

Maybe I'll have a PS3 by the time it's released in October.  I never really saw the point of buying one until I saw the Folklore trailer on... umm... IGN?  Wherever.  Oh, I don't know.  I've been cheap lately.

[Sairon]

Hate the grey abandoned city enviorments which I'm guessing most of the game will be made up of.

[Sky]

I was never a Diablo fan, so I guess my opinion doesn't hold much weight on this game.

But the AI seems ripped right from the Jimbo handbook "They're coming right for us!". And the backing up of ranged characters ala Doom 1990s.

I guess if you dig that retro tons of weak enemies constantly swarming you with mindless repetitive gameplay, it'll be great.

[Nija]

You want to see walking done right? Folk's Soul blows EVERYTHING away. EVERYTHING. In every graphics department. Every single fucking one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY-kyzeadtM That? Man, you're a jap-shit fanboi to the eXXXXXXXXtreme. Reminds me of that crappy rails Gamecube game that everyone fawns over that has 4 hours of gameplay. I don't even remember the name.

[Signe]

I think it looks really good, actually.  Not great quality, that video, though.  I especially like the way the character moves.  HERE are the trailers I referred to earlier. 

[schild]

You want to see walking done right? Folk's Soul blows EVERYTHING away. EVERYTHING. In every graphics department. Every single fucking one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY-kyzeadtM That? Man, you're a jap-shit fanboi to the eXXXXXXXXtreme. Reminds me of that crappy rails Gamecube game that everyone fawns over that has 4 hours of gameplay. I don't even remember the name.

Gamecube? Rails? Killer 7? Not crappy, but.

And yea, let me tell you, youtube and other online videos really do do Folk's Soul Justice. FYI: We're past crappy non-1080p videos being representative of final product. Heh, except with Wii games (what? 752x480 videos are all over GT).

There really aren't words for how amazing Folk's Soul looks. It's masterfully crafted. As in, it blows away Team Ninja stuff. Game Republic has some damn fine animators over there.

[Rasix]

I think he was insulting Eternal Darkness.

[HaemishM]

I think he was insulting Eternal Darkness.

I don't see how he could be. Even if you considered it on rails, there's no way you could finish it in 4 hours.

EDIT: Folk's Soul looks like a prettier Jade Empire.

[schild]

I don't see how you could even compare a Silicon Knights descent into terror game to an action RPG by Game Republic.

Eh, I guess that's not as weird as referencing Suda51's Killer 7 though...

I think it's depressing that we're not sure which rails title he's talking about. Stupid gamecube.

[Yegolev]

Hee hee.  Maybe he meant Geist.  Who knows?

I don't see anything wrong is that video, except a sneaky suspicion that there will be controller-shaking.  The video gives me a SMT+FFXII vibe.