which mods do you use?

[dotter]

I use a bunch--mostly to make my screen somewhat organized and pretty.  Prior to mods and in 40 man raids I had a tiny viewing screen, everywhere else were buttons and healthbars.

Bongos
Clique
Grid
AG_unitframes
ORA2
Deadly boss mod (formerly la vendetta)
Bigwigs
Some raiding associated mods
Bunch of mods just to make the screen look pretty :P

pic:  https://home.comcast.net/~rdkampen/BeneaUI.jpg

That kind of mod setup kills me since it makes the game look like a damned spreadsheet program instead of a game. I need to get the rest of my guild on the ThreatMeter board though, since we've got some DPS classes that need to learn when to tone it down.

https://home.comcast.net/~rdkampen/GrimmandKorrak.jpg  was my old setup.  I think I just had CT mod here, as blizzard at the time didn't have raid unitframes in the base UI yet.  As a healer I couldn't really see anything except health bars :p  Which made me anal retentive when it comes to organizing my screen.  Grid made my life easier, Grid + Clique replaced decursive for me (which I refused to use since in my opinion it was cheesy but that's another thread altogether).  Which turned out to be good since when Blizzard killed decursive I wasn't one of the people qqing.

Your mileage my vary, I play WoW to raid so others may not like that play style.

[angry.bob]

None. While mods aren't technically cheating, they do show that either the player who uses them has no skill whatsoever or that the game has shitty design and is too complex or difficult for the tools the developers provide in game.

Mods show in stark terms the failure of either a player to not suck balls or the developers to not suck at making their game.

That's one of the reasons I always laughed at raiders claiming that raids took skill, meanwhile they'd hav so amany mods they barely needed to even be involved. Healers with healing mods are fucking weak as shit.

[Jayce]

None. While mods aren't technically cheating, they do show that either the player who uses them has no skill whatsoever or that the game has shitty design and is too complex or difficult for the tools the developers provide in game.

Mods show in stark terms the failure of either a player to not suck balls or the developers to not suck at making their game.

That's one of the reasons I always laughed at raiders claiming that raids took skill, meanwhile they'd hav so amany mods they barely needed to even be involved. Healers with healing mods are fucking weak as shit.

You're right, my mods to show quest levels, xp/hr and to remove the world map button from my minimap show my extreme lack of skill.  The mod that shows me how much gold I have has caused me to go soft from not having to hit "B" all the time to check my gold supply.

Meanwhile, WoW's devs suck becuase they did not hire a department of 100,000 coders to simply throw interface ideas at the wall and see what sticks.  That would be way more economical than allowing the playerbase to do it for free.

[Furiously]

None. While mods aren't technically cheating, they do show that either the player who uses them has no skill whatsoever or that the game has shitty design and is too complex or difficult for the tools the developers provide in game.

Mods show in stark terms the failure of either a player to not suck balls or the developers to not suck at making their game.

That's one of the reasons I always laughed at raiders claiming that raids took skill, meanwhile they'd hav so amany mods they barely needed to even be involved. Healers with healing mods are fucking weak as shit.

I don't see why anyone wouldnt be using auctioneer. Also gatherer is great for sharing harvestable node locations with your guildmates.

[Alkiera]

I use:

• Whatever part of Enchantrix/Lootlink lets me see the price an item will fetch with NPCs.
• MetaMap- Awesome minimap manipulator, contains other maps, does whatever any three mod packages would. Sorta hefy though,  but nothing beats running around with a half-screen translucent overhead map with copious note taking/tracking abilities)

I should look into those.

None. While mods aren't technically cheating, they do show that either the player who uses them has no skill whatsoever or that the game has shitty design and is too complex or difficult for the tools the developers provide in game.

Mods show in stark terms the failure of either a player to not suck balls or the developers to not suck at making their game.

That's one of the reasons I always laughed at raiders claiming that raids took skill, meanwhile they'd hav so amany mods they barely needed to even be involved. Healers with healing mods are fucking weak as shit.

Heh.  I guess that's one way to look at it.  I have Atlas, which just has instance maps.  I don't trust other players to know the instances, and I certainly don't know them.  After saying to people 'the exit is to the south', and watching them all head north, I defend my choice.  I will not follow stupid people.

Also have VanaKos, which lets me see enemy(PvP) activity that I don't happen to be looking at, or is on the other side of a wall, or something.  Also can track a list of people I set KoS.  It's more important now that i'm getting into more popular contested areas (Hillsbrad, wee).

As far as ability to play the game goes... Any game that is best played by a simple Lua script is not one I want to play.  I don't like raiding, or grinding thru endless green mobs for bottomfeeder exp.  So I don't do those things.  I often fight things that are above my level.  Sometimes I die.  Most of the time, it's close.  That's the game.  Not 'target $mob, cast 1, cast 1, cast 1, cast 2, loot, repeat'.

--
Alkiera

[Rasix]

None. While mods aren't technically cheating, they do show that either the player who uses them has no skill whatsoever or that the game has shitty design and is too complex or difficult for the tools the developers provide in game.

Mods show in stark terms the failure of either a player to not suck balls or the developers to not suck at making their game.

That's one of the reasons I always laughed at raiders claiming that raids took skill, meanwhile they'd hav so amany mods they barely needed to even be involved. Healers with healing mods are fucking weak as shit.

There's a difference in mods that improve the overall usuability of the UI and mods that perform or simplify in game actions.

I have a mod that I got because it makes the HP bars are easier for me to see.  Having red/green color blindness doesn't help when companies really love to use red and green for very importanty information.  Developers rarely go full bore on accessibility, especially when considering minor issues like colorblindness. I have a mod that helps me mail lots of crap at the same time.

Of course, I also have a map mod, which falls into the second category.  Because quite honeslty, I suck at finding shit.

Your reasoning is precisely why I never even considered getting decursive.

[AcidCat]

I don't use mods because I just like to keep things simple. Mods don't provide anything I *need*, it's just extra fluff that I can do without. Plus I am fucking incredibly lazy and installing mods, learning to use them, and keeping them updated is just more busywork I can do without.

[angry.bob]

You're right, my mods to show quest levels, xp/hr and to remove the world map button from my minimap show my extreme lack of skill. 

Lack of game knowledge, pointless yet obsessive on the level of mental illness, and pointless yet stupid to those in the order you list them.

The mod that shows me how much gold I have has caused me to go soft from not having to hit "B" all the time to check my gold supply.

Holy shit, there's a mod for something that fucking stupid and lazy? Jesus, that's sad. What's sadder is that someone feels the need for a real-time display of their gold.

No mod you listed indicates anything other than a lack of skill or more accurately, game knowledge. Except the stupid pointless ones for lazy twats like the map and gold thing.

[Special J]

That is some of the dumbest shit I have read here.  I suppose you don't use flight paths too since that's 'easy mode travel'.

Anyways, I use:

Gatherer
bc_TrackingMenu
Some /loc display that escapes me
UberQuest

I don't really raid and the CT stuff doesn't otherwise appeal to me that much.  Dicking around with mods everytime there is a patch is a big pain in the ass to me so I keep them light.

[Furiously]

So you memorize the prices of everything listed on the AH and know exactly what price to list everything for?

And you intrinsically know which unusable quest item reward to pick to get the most gold from the vendor?

[Jayce]

You're right, my mods to show quest levels, xp/hr and to remove the world map button from my minimap show my extreme lack of skill.

Lack of game knowledge, pointless yet obsessive on the level of mental illness, and pointless yet stupid to those in the order you list them.

The mod that shows me how much gold I have has caused me to go soft from not having to hit "B" all the time to check my gold supply.

Holy shit, there's a mod for something that fucking stupid and lazy? Jesus, that's sad. What's sadder is that someone feels the need for a real-time display of their gold.

No mod you listed indicates anything other than a lack of skill or more accurately, game knowledge. Except the stupid pointless ones for lazy twats like the map and gold thing.

If you had halfway decent game knowledge, you'd realize that there are multiple quests with the same name, but different levels.

That you think all the other stuff is stupid and pointless really doesn't bother me.  "Users are lazy" has been an sad excuse for bad usability since time immemorial.

[angry.bob]

So you memorize the prices of everything listed on the AH and know exactly what price to list everything for?

And you intrinsically know which unusable quest item reward to pick to get the most gold from the vendor?

No, because I don't give a shit. If I want something, I buy it. If I have something I don't want I DE it if it's green or blue, vendor it if it's not. Needing a mod to decide which unusable quest item to get based on one being worth a few more silver is a sign of mental illness. If you're using shit like that you should be crying over how fucking sad your life's become instead of being proud about the edge it gives you. Besides, if you can't use any of the items, why do the fucking quest? Grinding is way faster. You can't even say it's to get faction since you can do turn ins later on a and the old world groups are about worthless to get.

[Venkman]

I love the facist play-the-way-designers-want-you-to argument as much as the next veteran ranter, but when Blizzard built the UI for extensibility, that argument really sounds silly. Don't build it that way, then provide instructions manuals, then provide forum-based official support for it, then continually offer more code, and so on...

Seriously, most of the legit UI is there to remove the suck. Even Auctioneer just prevents someone from needing an alt that sits at the AH all day scanning prices. Now, if someone thinks that's the way this game should be played, bully for them and their daily 8-hour sessions.

Extensible UIs help developers in two ways: gets the players to do the UI design work they'd rather not pay for themselves, and helps the devs see what the players would rather design around than put up with. Win win.

[angry.bob]

If you had halfway decent game knowledge, you'd realize that there are multiple quests with the same name, but different levels.

Yeah, because that whole color=general level thing is too tough to figure out. Also, at this point in the game's life-cycle, you'd have the quests down by heart, which leg was which based on the verbage in the quest, when you're able to do them, and at what level they'll go grey. Everything you need to know involving quests. That is unless you're using some twaty crutch for lazy dolts so you never had to pay attention.

[Rasix]

What crawled up your ass today and died?

[Jayce]

What crawled up your ass today and died?

Just today?

[angry.bob]

What crawled up your ass today and died?

A 5 month old son keeping me awake the last 3 nights and bunch of construction workers smoking and playing horrid country music while I pay them a fortune to fix my slate roof and copper gutters/downspouts. Fucking copper prices. But just because I'm being less civil than normal doesn't invalidate anything I'm saying.

[AcidCat]

Needing a mod to decide which unusable quest item to get based on one being worth a few more silver is a sign of mental illness. If you're using shit like that you should be crying over how fucking sad your life's become instead of being proud about the edge it gives you.

Hehe I can't help but agree with you even if you are being an ass. Some folks take the concept of efficiency way too far ... but at the end of the day, people will play the game how they want.

[bhodi]

You're really living up to your name today, angry.bob. Way to go.

I used a fuckton of mods, mostly to make my life easier and to shave off that little bit off annoyances. You can DIAF for all I care if you think using mods is lazy or stupid. If it makes my gameplay experience more enjoyable, that's what is important.

Titan panel for showing my current gold, experience, how many reagents I had, performance, etc.

SCT and whatever spellalert type mod I could get my hands on for pvp and general combat

CTRA for raiding

RA_Bossmods or a like prorgam, cthun_warner, etc. for the bosses timing (needed in naxx, etc.)

Auctioneer for my penny-pinching ways

enchantrix or whatever that I can mouse-over an item (on quest rewards) and it will give me the sell value and the disenchant breakdown (so I can decide to sell or disenchant the various quest rewards and also which gives the most gold). A lot of times you can net 2 or 3 extra gold per quest by picking the correct item reward.

Some sort of slick visual UI customization (x-perl, discord unit frames, etc.) -- I want my health bars near my character so I don't have to stare at the upper left corner of the screen, I want to watch the action at the same time as watching health, and I want the absoloute minimalistic inteface possible. I know the class, level and name of my own character; it doesn't need to be wasting space on my UI.

Tipbuddy or monkeypanel(?) so I can mouse over and get detailed information on targets' targets, health, etc. -- critical for PvP -- by default it's in the bottom right corner of the screen. The default is has a completely retarded location and no usable information, I put it on the mouse cursor and at the very least give me target of target information so I know when I'm about to get jacked by the swarm as they charge in.

itemrack, wardrobe, or that new one to switch around gear sets

combatstats or some kind of combat parser to see how I was doing in relation to my guild -- I want my e-peen to be as big as possible.

some sort of aggro-meter (I never used it, but I hear they are getting pretty good now, I'd use if I still played)

rogue energybar to sync your energy tick gain with combat openers

CTmailmod stuff for easy mailing

I also used mods for auto-equipping +speed mount items, showing quest levels in quest pane, and other things that were later integrated into the UI like shift-click loot everything, and general +hit/+damage/+crit statistics

At the end of the day, I want it to look something like this (this was a while ago, I never quite got it the same again)

[Furiously]

So you memorize the prices of everything listed on the AH and know exactly what price to list everything for?

And you intrinsically know which unusable quest item reward to pick to get the most gold from the vendor?

No, because I don't give a shit. If I want something, I buy it. If I have something I don't want I DE it if it's green or blue, vendor it if it's not. Needing a mod to decide which unusable quest item to get based on one being worth a few more silver is a sign of mental illness. If you're using shit like that you should be crying over how fucking sad your life's become instead of being proud about the edge it gives you. Besides, if you can't use any of the items, why do the fucking quest? Grinding is way faster. You can't even say it's to get faction since you can do turn ins later on a and the old world groups are about worthless to get.

Odd - I've found questing on grinding mobs to be the fastest. But you are contridicting yourself here. You're talking efficiencies and then talking about how sad it is to be efficient. I've actually found the difference to be upwards of 1gp on the price of the crappiest item to the best item. Generally they all DE the same. Which is nice if you are an enchanter.

[WayAbvPar]

A 5 month old son keeping me awake the last 3 nights and bunch of construction workers smoking and playing horrid country music

I would like to be the first one to commend you on your relative civility then. I would have gone on a shooting spree long ago.

I use Auctioneer and a map mod for coordinates (one of the CTs, IIRC). There are a couple others I want to learn to use, not so much for efficiency as for interest. Stuff like XP/hour won't change the way I play (much), but it is interesting nonetheless. Ditto for the quest levels. I can approximate them from the colors, but I had Cosmos when I played the first time and I miss the level numbers.

I would also like a DPS meter just for my own edification; I don't really give a shit how I am performing now, but I know that eventually that kind of stuff is going to be monitored by the folks who are running raids, so I should have some passing familiarity with it. Plus I play 2 high DPS classes (Rogue and Mage) so it might feed my feeble e-peen to see my might spelled out for me 

[Lantyssa]

• Whatever part of Enchantrix/Lootlink lets me see the price an item will fetch with NPCs.

Informant, I believe.

As for angry.bob's rant, I do suck.  People rarely believe just how good I am at sucking.

[WayAbvPar]

I do suck.  People rarely believe just how good I am at sucking.

..

[Furiously]

• Whatever part of Enchantrix/Lootlink lets me see the price an item will fetch with NPCs.

Informant, I believe.

As for angry.bob's rant, I do suck.  People rarely believe just how good I am at sucking.

Wait a second. I thought you didn't bat that way.

[Lantyssa]

I'm talking about how I'm not very good at these video game thingies, even if I love playing with them.

...

The innuendo was just for fun.  I don't think anyone here really wants to know the specifics of my past or present.

[Jayce]

I can understand lack of sleep detracting from civility (and in fact I have the same problem), and in fact civility is certainly not a requirement on this board, but it shouldn't make you retarded to boot.

Yeah, because that whole color=general level thing is too tough to figure out. Also, at this point in the game's life-cycle, you'd have the quests down by heart

In fact I have been using the color=level method my entire career until sometime this Saturday, IIRC.  Then I was finally arsed to go find a mod that provides the quest levels.  It's more a curiosity thing than anything, but thanks for asking.

Also, you do seem to have some contradiction going on, as someone else mentioned.  Wanting to know how much quest rewards vendor for, or approximately how long it will take me to level at my current rate is a sign of mental illness, but I'm supposed to have every quest in the game memorized down to what level at which it goes gray (for both sides, I might add, as I'm currently playing my first Horde).

If I had unlimited time to play, I can imagine not caring how long until the next level.  For 2-3 hour at a stretch weekend warriors like me, it's more important.

[WayAbvPar]

Ok- I installed Titan yesterday. So far I dig it, but I can't figure out how to apply poisons to my weapons. Any Titan-using rogues know the secret?

[Furiously]

http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/4204/klhthreatmeter/ KLH threadmeter is nice if everyone is running it so you know if how close you are to pulling agro on the boss.

[caladein]

Entirely too many. (Here's what it actually looks like. Also, ignore the FPS: running Photoshop CS, an FTP client, and watching something in iTunes does wonders to your framerate.)

Short list of major ones:

• X-Perl for the unit/raid frames. (I'd love to go back to ag_UnitFrames, but it hasn't handled party pets well for a long time.)
• Bartender3 for the hotbars.
• SacredBuff for my Priest's buffs.
• ItemRack for gear switching.
• The multitude of bars on my screen are: FuBar for the info on top and bottom; eCB replaces the old Casting Bar; Natur EnemyCastBar tracks CCs, respawns, and other fun things; and ElkBuffBar gives me a much nicer buff display.

[ClydeJr]

Bartender3 to replace default bars
Fubar
--LocationFu
--PerformanceFu
--MoneyFu
--GarbageFu - Helps decide which item to drop (sells for the least) when I need to empty a slot in my bag
--ExperienceFu
--eeShards for my warlock (automatically deletes a soul shard if I more than specified number, useful for taking advantage of Imp Soul Drain mana buff without filling your bags with shards)
--ClosetGnome (for item set switching)
--plus some others I must be forgetting
Gatherer
Auctioneer
Lootlink
Atlas/AltasLoot
CTRaid

[Fraeg]

ktm
hostilebar
cartographer with mining plugin
monkeybar
nurfedui

hell like 15 of em.

does it take a way from my purity of essence?  probably but I never actually thought those were real elves to begin with.

[Merusk]

• Whatever part of Enchantrix/Lootlink lets me see the price an item will fetch with NPCs.

Informant, I believe.

As for angry.bob's rant, I do suck.  People rarely believe just how good I am at sucking.

I miss all the best lines while I'm away at funerals. Damnit.

I stole it anyway. Grats Lant.

[Ironwood]

My six-month has been keeping me up for the past 3 nights too.  I take my anger out on the politics board and my user-base.

You have my sympathy.

[Zane0]

http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot030407203111bi8.jpg

Important Mods:

AG_Unitframes
Bongos (Action bars)
SW_Stats
CT_RaidAssist (But it kinda sucks now)
Chronometer
ElkBuffBar
Forecast

I like looking at old screenshots and seeing the evolution of my UI. Usually has to do with some critical mod going under, or not updating quickly enough.

[Ironwood]

That's some wondrous Guild Chat you got going on...