War

[setar]

Where is *that* coming from?

[Phildo]

The quote was lifted from Goonswarm's forums, but it originally came from a Fires of Heaven thread.

[setar]

Sounds like something Jack Noble would write.

[Phildo]

Is he still playing?  He was never very subtle and it's been months since he made any kind of announcements that I can remember.  Unless maybe he finally learned subtlety.

[setar]

He certainly is actively posting. Just can't figure out the original source of that message; while I do not have any inside knowledge to reject this it doesn't make any sense. ET, Andy and others have been awol since the Haargoth incident, give or take; and re-organization has only started in the last few weeks. If there was a re-organization going on prior to this they sure kept it damn well hidden.

[Sir T]

Anna Velarious (Jake Noble's char) was sucking Mollies member in Mollies 'threadnaught' about the horriblness of taking stations, so hes still subbed on that character at least.

I have to admit that post was bloody bizarre. No offense Setar (and I mean that, for what its worth) but that's what I would have expected from BOB at their most delusional. AAA always seemed more grounded to me.

[setar]

Still don't know who posted this -- for all I know this is an IT alt trolling folks? This is just plain bizarre, and if it's from an -A- pilot my current hunch would be 'delusional' as well, no offense taken at all :)

[Endie]

I did like that one.  Apparently he's going to continue his sterling work organising our alliance as long as needed.  It's the perfect cover because we'd never suspect a Russian in the directorate of being a spy.

If ET was running things it would certainly explain why we keep winning at the moment, though.

[Sir T]

In the theme of peculiar shit...

To: Atlas Alliance,

Sup Atlas.

Tonight was gonna be last stand in Y8R, we were preparing for a good fight following up on the last 2 epic fights we've had in the system where we have absolutely raped NC's 2:1 odds - in every sense of the word. But alas, WI have extended their bandwagon for tonight to not only include every single NC alliance, but also our beloved Goonswarm abandoning their friends PL in fountain to come shoot at Atlas tonight, moving capitals to the area.

We are not gonna give any of them that pleasure - we are in Geminate to have fun, get fights, provoke fights however we can, nbut ot to create a new blobby lag fest totally out of proportions for a system we don't want and don't need. We are standing down all operations in Y8R - bridges will be going up towards Eurgrana all night ending around 00:00 starting again before DT tomorrow and right after.

- If you are logged at the atlas POS, get on an alt, or ask on comms BEFORE you log on. POS will most likely be destroyed in excactly 24 hours from this mail is sent.
- Carriers ask for cynos in caps chan, we will get them for you at all hours.
- If you are unable to get out of system within the next 24 hours or unable to log on for a day or two - fear not. Geminate will be quiet again once NC has saved and repped the station and you will be able to leave by conventional means on your own.

Regroup in Eurgrana and stand by for further instructions on OPS, we will be holding on any major CTAs untill after new years eve. You have all been doing fantastic so far, let's keep it up and take a much deserved break from major ops for 2 days.

In other words, Goons posted an op to help NC and in response ATLAS cancelled their entire invasion of Geminate.

I'm not even spinning it. Thats basicly what happened. 

In response Solar Fleet reset goonswarm, claiming that bringing our capital fleet up to Geminate was a clear sign of agression.

I guess our caps blowing up IT SBUs in fountain at the time shows how we "Abandoned PL" https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/438722

It does show a clue as to the reasons for this though

[ 2009.12.29 07:00:44 ] Bobby Atlas > i dare you to bring your cap fleet
[ 2009.12.29 07:00:46 ] Bobby Atlas > and the rest of the nc
[ 2009.12.29 07:00:48 ] Slippy Pete > alright just dont log off in the belts again
[ 2009.12.29 07:00:56 ] Slippy Pete > can you promise?
[ 2009.12.29 07:01:21 ] Bobby Atlas > i make no promises
[ 2009.12.29 07:01:23 ] Bobby Atlas > bring your cap fleet
[ 2009.12.29 07:01:28 ] Bobby Atlas > and we take it from there

So Atlas was planing to hang its capital penises out. Since I've always felt that Atlas is terrified of losing its capital fleet, any rumours of Goons moving their capitals up might have scared the shit out of Bobby. I admit thats total speculation on my part of course.

But still, Scavok posting an op causing the end of an entire invation is, like, the fastest campaign evah. 

But hell I was looking forward to heading up there :(

[setar]

I would have made you travel the 60+ jumps before canceling the op, to be honest.

[Sir T]

Yeah, I agree with you, I would have done the same thing. That would have made sense.

[Jayce]

Stop agreeing, you two.

[Sir T]

In yet more exhilarating News. Sot lat 2 corps mergeing... That caused sov to drop in another of their station systems. This caused a massive fight in IT primetime, where goons et all were outnumbered 3 to one. The results speak for themselves

They had: 5t 79d 23c
We had: 10t 56d 28c & 40 odd support

Kills: 49d 1c & their support fleet
Losses: 29d 2c

http://www.it-kills.us/?a=kill_related&kll_id=120139

Vid here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsBsPp0aTzI

However they succeeded in killing the PL TCU. However it would not have made a blind bit of difference as goons had accidentally taken the station earlier, and the station instantly regenerated to 100% armour and shields. Since the station and TCU would have been different alliances, the tcu would have remained vulnerable. It was a Pyrrhic victory for no gain. IT were then allowed to take the system (and I'm not going to even bother trying to defend or understand that decision)

However In a bit of douce baggery, today the corp that owned Y-2 left just when IT had a 300 man fleet up 'to kill a tower'. In other words, they got paid off to bail in IT prime on a weekend when IT had a fleet up. Its going to be all hands on deck for both sides battle tonight I think.

That makes 2 stations that have been practically gifted to IT and 0 that have been conquered straight, and a third that has been giftwrapped.

[Phildo]

Local in Y-2 is currently just shy of 1300 and we're learning all about lag in an un-reinforced system.  Supposedly the first few people who jumped in were bombed from 100km, and most of us have been trying to load grid for well over half an hour now.  It's hard to say whether or not we'll actually load grid before the TCU goes online.

Edit: As a follow-up, after 2 hours of failing to load the grid some people started being shot up by IT battleships so I've decided to log out.  No progress thus far.

[setar]

Why the hell did you jump into system? To give IT an easy morale boost? That sure as hell is working.. it's a non-reinforced system, with 600+ IT and allies set up around the TCU. The reason nobody is losing more is because they decided to keep hugging the TCU, and the bomber fleets are out of torps.

[Phildo]

That would be a question for our FCs.  It seems pretty obvious in hindsight, but I think we were counting on the node totally crashing and everyone being equally disadvantaged.

[setar]

Quite a bet. Two PL titans down already, more bubbled from what I can see. At least it's none of the NC's ships so they might be willing to come back for round two.

Think the current battle plan in Dominion simply boils down to "be in system first".

Edit: Make that four titans now.

[Phildo]

From an outside perspective, this is pretty fantastic.  For having been there, it was the single shittiest experience I've ever had in this game.

[slog]

Quite a bet. Two PL titans down already, more bubbled from what I can see. At least it's none of the NC's ships so they might be willing to come back for round two.

Think the current battle plan in Dominion simply boils down to "be in system first".

Edit: Make that four titans now.

Enter System
Drop TCU
Win




Edit: The same thing happend to NC.  Was that node reinforce?

[Phildo]

No, a lot of the failure rests with us for cynoing every single person in at once, apparently all in the same safe spot.

The rest of the failure is CCP's mechanic for reinforcing nodes apparently requires an intervening downtime, so it was absolutely impossible for them to do anything about the lag.

And a small tactical victory for IT in NOT reinforcing the node, even though I'm sure they knew what would happen at least 24 hours in advance.  The question is, does that qualify as a petitionable abuse of a game mechanic if they did?

[slog]

Blame the players because the game doesn't work?

[setar]

More 'blame the players for knowing the game doesn't work but deploying anyway'. Pre-Dominion jump-ins have been hit and miss, sometimes it works out for the defender, sometimes it doesn't. With Dominion every single fight so far favoured the defender. There are now 4 titans confirmed dead at the PL/SOT cyno to which the IT fleet had to warp, yet they loaded grid (unlike PL).

Also not helping: jumping out then quitting while blackscreened puts you at a safespot in the original system. Quite a number of dreads and carriers killed by probing bombers that way.

[Sir T]

I just spent 3 hours in game staring at a black screen. when IT bombed is from 100kms away. This despite everyone else in eve if you fire bombs in heavy lag the bomb explodes in your face. Before we went in AAA lost 40 bombers that way.

With IT they fired bombs and they went 100 kms and exploded right on top of us. Perfectly. Then my logistics ship was shot to bits in real time without me able to do a damn thing.

Then they are able to move around probe down capitals and destroy them with bombers. Then trap titans, siege blow them up etc. While I'm staring at a blank screen and playing stuff on my laptop.

Bullshit.

I'm sorry if I come across as mad but in Eve I am a warrior. If I die in a fight, big deal. Dying while not even loading grid for 2 hours?

Sorry for venting here, dominion has brought back the old shitty bob lag. I'll give it it whoever planned this. They knew that they would have a jammed up node when they paid off that SOT corp and knew they would be able to drop a tcu and get it on-lined before the node could be reinforced at downtime. That's a serious exploit as far as I am concerned. And quite frankly I'm tired, I've been up all night for this and I don't feel like giving ccp my money for this crap. And I don't want to face another night like tonight ever again. I'm getting too old for this shit.

I think I'll do something more fun like have an ingrown toenail. Oh and I've just been told the titans never even saw themselves get shot.

I think I'll go install LOTRO now.

[setar]

Fully understand this on a personal level, and probably would do the same. On a meta-game level it feels like a bizarre world when GS advocated (exploited?) the same broken game mechanics in JV1V, and is now on the receiving end. Although from what I've been seeing losses were mostly PLs.

Anyhow. This isn't about losses, but lack of a game. No caps, let alone supercaps should die this way.

[JustinMead]

we just lost about 5 titans  

[Phildo]

Goonswarm lost a ton of shit to the initial bombing runs, but I'm sure most of the KMs disappeared.

[Sir T]

Was chatting with some of the bomber pilots we had already in system about it. Basically he said that IT came in, bombed away, left and then came in again and bombed multiple times. He never saw them. And He was all ready in system and loaded.

You figure that one out.

Oh and a spy killed the NC fleet that had loaded grid by squad warping them to an it tower with their entire fleet waiting.

[Comstar]

Jumped in. Took 30 minutes for the system to load. 30 minutes for chat to load. Then...nothing. After another 30 minutes I got my ships insurance money and evemail.

Logged out and in again a few times, took 2-3 hours to get past the black screen and local was down to about 300.  Then I was stuck in a ship missing half its mods, 50% structure and all my shields back. And now I can't move and I'm sitting in the middle of a graveyard of ships. Self-destruct works in that it destroys all my mods, but the ship stays intact.

After another hour or so, I eject from my ship, but still can't move. Log out, login, and now I'm at planet one any my claymore is 3k away and I'm in my pod. There's also an empty blue faction battleship 100km away.

I get back in my ship and now I'm truly a ghost. I can warp around between gates, get cought in the bubbles, but the enemy does not see me. However, neither can traffic control and I have an entirety of "this gate is under traffic control please wait 3 minutes"  over and over again.

Also ALL my skill points are gone, my implants are gone and I am missing 5 years worth of training.


CCP so far has said nothing about the skill points, and they won't let me out of the system until "their investigation is complete". My character has gone to Eve-Hell and I am trapped for entirety at a gate that never lets me jump. I am doomed to roam Y-2 forever.

[Fordel]

Did the latest expansion do this (this being the lag/fail/crash etc)?



The last year it sounded like Lag was under control, like it still took 10-20 seconds to fire a gun, but it was reliable and predictable.

[Reg]

This wouldn't be the first time a new patch as has brought back an old bug.  Luckily, CCP have been fairly good about figuring them out and fixing them. Hopefully, they'll be good about it this time too.

[Phildo]

The main problem here was that the node wasn't reinforced.  However, even so people have been encountering more lag in Dominion since day one.  The NC, Tri and Atlas can attest to that.

[Sir T]

No, i don't buy that. We've faught in unreinforced nodes before. It was nothing like this before Dominion.

[Endie]

There is a precedent for reimbursement when game mechanics are this obviously to blame for a disaster: the NC loss during the Max campaign. To the threadnought! 

[Simond]

The funniest thing about all the "Now on to Delve!" from IT in the EVE-O/Crapheap/etc threads is that they've basically taken systems when SoT has screwed up ( or sold out ) and, well, SoT doesn't own Delve.

If they have any sense, they'll keep attacking Fountain. And hey, with any luck that'll speed up Viper Shizzle and his corp of mongoloids inevitable return to Triumverate Mk. whatthefuckever and then we can invite the good parts of PL into Querious or something. 

[setar]

Attributed to Phreeze:

"1/100th of us maybe loaded grid. Those would be the few dudes who tried to shoot off the tacklers and bombers.

The NC fleet got squadwarped squad by squad by a spy to the hostile pos over the course of an hour and didn't know it was happening until a goon who had already been in local reported us dying there. We never saw the light of day.

I tried to tell the people running these fleets how to properly get in system in heavy lag (as we did successfully with 500+ people into a heavily lagged system in geminate recently) and I thought that was the method that we were going to be using.

For the 2 minutes or so my command ship had the grid (it became unresponsive shortly therafter) I was able to see that all of our cynos had gone off within 10km of each other, not in seperate grids and time staggered to reduce lag on the system, and that a cap and titan fleet had cynoed in as well.

Once you take out the fact that this fight would have worked pre-domi, this fleet died because people did not listen to those of us who do know how lag works post-domi. They learned the lesson the hard way.

Theres also not a chance in hell these titan's get reimbursed IMO, so those expressing their outrage can stop bandying about that rallying cry.

All in all, it was a pretty disapointing evening when compared to the epic fight it could have been (a dozen or more titans on each side, even capital numbers, huge ass support fleet, bombers on both sides..."