War

[Simond]

Atlas were there, too, with a decent fleet, but they took a long, hard look at the awful tactics from the Stainwagon forces (who attempted to bomb our cap fleet, a la Jade Constantine) and left in disgust.

Bobby Atlas is many things, but he isn't a complete idiot. Just most of one. 

[Sir T]

230 kills, 30 odd losses in TPAR for goons today  

If this is some kind of distraction so IT can actually get their hands on Moons in Aradia, Mollie needs to send naked pics of Llondon Hilton on prints of solid gold to every member of the opposition naptrain to make up for this bullshit...

(actually leave out the naked pics... )

{Edit} and knowing their track record they probably could not care less that this is being done for them See Mahrin/Fix

[Trigona]

Hey Endie, Sir T, we're coming down south for a holiday, this is our leader giving us the good oil:


Forces of dark once more emerged from the depths of ebay inferno and attacked our dear/hated allies commonly known as Goons. As we speak Stainwagon is hitting Period Basis, while AAA/ROL is hitting Querios. Clown alliance formerly known as BoB is hitting all PL lowsec moons and keeping them tied. Also we can soon expect North being hit by fail alliances but atm its last of our concerns.

MM are answering the call - looks like I'll have to get back onto Goon TS

[Predator Irl]

Maybe this time when we're done we should all take a good holiday in the sunny south :)

[Endie]

Hey Endie, Sir T, we're coming down south for a holiday, this is our leader giving us the good oil:


Forces of dark once more emerged from the depths of ebay inferno and attacked our dear/hated allies commonly known as Goons. As we speak Stainwagon is hitting Period Basis, while AAA/ROL is hitting Querios. Clown alliance formerly known as BoB is hitting all PL lowsec moons and keeping them tied. Also we can soon expect North being hit by fail alliances but atm its last of our concerns.

MM are answering the call - looks like I'll have to get back onto Goon TS

That's good news.  I've been pretty impressed by our euro- and anzac defeats of ROL/AAA in Querious and of Stainwagon in Period Basis, but another top-line alliance being involved opens up other options.  It's also good to have the NC coming to join in when goons are actually doing quite well: less resentment than last time, hopefully, when you were at times rescuing us from our pit of sloth.  I wonder if poor Tri are going to be be sent north against the NC again for their annual session of banging their head against a brick wall as a result?

Also, Trig, what's the situation with TCF?  Are they really doing as poorly as it seems?  I can't help but pick up some pissed-off postings from senior NC figures.  That would be a shame.  Is Deklein vulnerable to assault without holding Fade etc?  Iseem to remember Bob went there during Max but the north is largely a mystery to me.

[Trigona]

TCF have still to prove themselves as worthy to hold Deklein.  It's a very rich and secure area, I hope they get attacked and kick some butt.  Imo, Pure Blind and not Fade is the key to holding Deklein so it's in their interests to keep Mostly Harmless (MH) safe and secure.

If they're not capable of supporting MH and holding Deklein, then I hope we find out quickly and have a more useful alliance replace them.  From my pov they've done bugger all since moving north, it's time for them to pull their finger out.  The north is really Razor and MM, ideally TCF will prove to be as capable, we'll have to wait and see.  It's important that they prove themselves as the other NC alliances are not that good.

I'm also annoyed at having to become friends with PL again, after their meta gaming tactics used against us when they recently attacked our high end moons in Venal.  Our FCs were always primaried and whenever someone stood up to replace them, magically they'd get primaried.  For a group of players who reckon they're the best PvPers in Eve, it's pathetic that they need to rely on such lame tactics.  Eve is a great game and I wouldn't want to stop meta gaming, but when alliances rely on spies it starts to get annoying.  Especially as we had fought together against Bob, I was disappointed that they felt it was ok to do that to us.

[palmer_eldritch]

Yeah, the good naptrain has been fighting itself since Delve while the bad naptrain seems pretty united (they may say nasty things about each other but they don't dare shoot each other).

It may turn out that the bad naptrain was simply more sensible. I'm not sure how well Razor and PL are able to work together at the moment.

[Sparky]

I'm also annoyed at having to become friends with PL again, after their meta gaming tactics used against us when they recently attacked our high end moons in Venal.  Our FCs were always primaried and whenever someone stood up to replace them, magically they'd get primaried.  For a group of players who reckon they're the best PvPers in Eve, it's pathetic that they need to rely on such lame tactics.  Eve is a great game and I wouldn't want to stop meta gaming, but when alliances rely on spies it starts to get annoying.  Especially as we had fought together against Bob, I was disappointed that they felt it was ok to do that to us.

FYI you did exactly the same to us - it was comical at times.  There's no one that won't use dirty tactics if they're available.

[Simond]

It makes you lazy though, as evidenced by IT taking nearly two dozen moons from you.

[Goumindong]

Metagame is part of being good at "PvP".

Information
Tactics
Discipline

Spying is part of the first one. Don't bitch that you got beat, start some counter-intel.

[tgr]

In that vein, same goes for disrupting communications or cutting the power to someone's house at a strategically important time, it is war after all. 

Actually, I find it hard to figure out where that line goes, where you go from just taking the game seriously, to where you take it seriously and should seek professional help. :P

[Goumindong]

In that vein, same goes for disrupting communications or cutting the power to someone's house at a strategically important time, it is war after all. 

Actually, I find it hard to figure out where that line goes, where you go from just taking the game seriously, to where you take it seriously and should seek professional help. :P

Its pretty clear that the line is drawn at in game actions. Stuff that happens via sitting in front of the screen playing Eve/internet game infrastructure.

[Sir T]

You know, this is shaping up to be the worst strategic mistake I've seen since the goon invasion of Estoria 3 weeks ago. By getting themselves utterly walloped now, 2 weeks from dominion, they have utterly fecked up their participation for their post dominion invasion of Delve. They have been totally humiliated, burned all the good feeling from defeating goons, engaged in Pos warfare (in which we know what we are doing) rather than having the advantage of having everyone bieng forced to learn totally new defence tactics and be at a disadvantage, reinitialized goon morale which to be honest was not that low to begin with, and finally they have attracted NC back down for a holiday. Its what we were talking about at the time, forcing momentum. This is in all factors was such a cock up that I have to wonder if mollie was involved in planning this.

I have to agree with Trig on TCF. I haven't seen much from them since they took Delkin, and they have been having major internal problems.

{edit} Oh Yeah, in actual news Stainwagon towers in TPAR are blowing up.

[Phildo]

Right now, I'm convinced that the only reason the assault on TPAR really happened is because someone in Stainwagon said "What the hell are we going to do with all these extra POS after Dominion?"

[Endie]

I think it is partly that, but also a large amount of keeping us from helping PL vs IT, especially as that and A2 happened pretty much as we started sending decent fleets to help PL and their ungrateful and incompetent 'allies' SoT, who would kill less goons if they were actively trying to get their towers to shoot us.

[Sir T]

Thoughts?

[setar]

I kinda liked the version that had TRI with a big 'Disband again' stamp all over it. Can't see this ending well, but at least it's going to be entertaining.

[Simond]

Hey Setar, can you point out to whoever did that map that the Great War 2 is over, and we won?
TIA 

[Comstar]

So I hear IT lost 120+ capital ships to 60 cap killls. That's $6000 US I think total. They got the tower at the end, but one more victory like that and The 3rd Great Eve War will be over before it starts. Perhaps PL will start trying to regain some of the R64 moons they have lost, as it will be several weeks before IT can deploy the cap fleet again.

[Endie]

I was wondering when someone would get round to posting that.

That capfleet cost a lot more than the R64s have made them.

Edit: IT Alliance porn, via Brennah:

DO NOT WORRY ABOUT GOONS, THEY ARE BUSY IN TPAR

The reimbursement wallet is currently sleeping for the dread replacements, you wont get it right away, but we will sort it out

IT Alliance reimburse dreads at 800 million each, so that's apparently 92 billion plus change he's scraping around to find.

Oh, and Hurley, who we killed when in Kenzoku, decided to move to IT Alliance, so...

http://eve-iyi.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=938725

[rand]

that's what SoT claims but SoT are retards so who knows

[Endie]

that's what SoT claims but SoT are retards so who knows

In the end of the day Hurley died and SoT lost a titan so I'm going to go ahead call this one a win either way.

[Phildo]

So... Hurley has been in SoT for a while and decided to jump ship, so SoT killed him?

[Gets]

That's the official story I heard as well.

[Sir T]

He was officially just about to jump ship (to EXE) the last time he lost a Titan...

[Endie]

He was officially just about to jump ship (to EXE) the last time he lost a Titan...

Same character, different player I think.

[Pax]

Then the character must be damned and self conscious, judging by the pattern 

[Endie]

At the moment we have a mixed fleet in TPAR doing POS stuff, while Vee and Goonwaffe are teaching Molle and IT how to pvp in Eve Online, which is a game about spaceships on the internet.

Edit: apparently we should start with Fittings 101: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/425577/fitting#items

[IainC]

At the moment we have a mixed fleet in TPAR doing POS stuff, while Vee and Goonwaffe are teaching Molle and IT how to pvp in Eve Online, which is a game about spaceships on the internet.

Edit: apparently we should start with Fittings 101: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/425577/fitting#items

I was wondering why that was so bad - ok 3 sensor boosters aren't a great use of mid slots but not terrible, and at least it has something resembling a tank, then I saw the Gyrostabilisers...

[palmer_eldritch]

At the moment we have a mixed fleet in TPAR doing POS stuff, while Vee and Goonwaffe are teaching Molle and IT how to pvp in Eve Online, which is a game about spaceships on the internet.

Edit: apparently we should start with Fittings 101: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/425577/fitting#items

So what, has their invasion of Fountain begun?

[Amarr HM]

apparently we should start with Fittings 101: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/425577/fitting#items

Imagine there's probably another 8 that are even worse than that, seeing as that was probably the first one he fitted.

[Sir T]

So what, has their invasion of Fountain begun?

Yeah, they announced they were going in on their forums a few hours after they lost their cap fleet. I guess Mollie needed something to boost morale and to distract blame, and charging into a hornets nest was just the thing, apparently. Of course since he is a master strategist, this can only end well.

It certainly hasn't begun well.

Tri has headed north to attack the NC. Well they have experience, I guess. Why am I getting a feeling of Deva Vu?

[Endie]

Actually, their invasion is going reasonably well so far: they've targetted a pet outpost system and have spammed it successfully while destroying several of the defenders' towers.  If they manage to take and hold onto sov then under the current version of the Dominion reinforcement timers it'll be hard to turf them out.

Yes, we gutted their capital capability shortly before the invasion began, so we should be able to take them down, and Goonwaffe is having some successes, but so far they've done OK.

[Gets]

So that's why the Emergence alliance guy convo'd me asking if gunas will come to Fountain to shoot IT.

[Endie]

Goonfleet just lost a titan (and three dozen caps) to an incredibly obvious trap, although I am sure that the hostiles are surprised that they snagged a titan rather than just a dread fleet.  I am amazed we even sieged in Russian prime.  Rand, who posts here, called it in advance on the GF boards: the logged-off dreads were there to ambush us.

Basically, the problem was that the titans warped in into a huge grid with 700 people on it, doomsdayed, then had to wait 10 or 12 minutes for the doomsdays to go off.  Quelle surprise.  Like that's not hugely foreseeable.  Anyway, two of the three titans got out, but the third went down.

The upside is that we get to keep fighting in TPAR, since I've not fought such poor-quality alliances since the last goon vs goon thunderdome.  They'll be full of vim and vigour and will presumably keep piling into the system, and speaking personally I'm in the same two ships (one of them an untanked Electronic Attak Ship ffs!) I started the campaign in with dozens of kills in them.  But it would have been nice to be bullying IT Alliance instead of Stainwagon by next weekend.