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Reply #4480 on: March 04, 2009, 01:51:29 PM

It could be much simpler, they could just have no where else to go.


How many times do you think someone burned their bridges to join BoB? I'm guessing a lot.

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Reply #4481 on: March 04, 2009, 02:06:45 PM

Or maybe they're hoping for an amnesty that lets them recover more of their wealth from Delve.  How are the fire sales running?

I don't think that any but the most delusional believe that there will be an amnesty this time.

But I've been thinking that this is what is keeping a bunch of them in place: the knowledge that at some point there will be a successful breakout operation, and that that represents their best hope of getting their stuff out, particularly those 230 capitals and 7 or 8 supercaps.  After all, nobody has ever camped a system and locked it down 23/7 for over two weeks like this before - nothing even close to it comes to mind - and it simply cannot go on forever.  Their problem is that it has probably gone on long enough already.

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Reply #4482 on: March 04, 2009, 02:42:52 PM

What caused them to put all their stuff in the one system anyways? Did they just underestimate Goontelligence on the matter? Just the shock of the camp being so through and persistent? Simple poor planning?

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Reply #4483 on: March 04, 2009, 02:52:39 PM

They based out of PR- in the last delve war, but this time they couldn't control their own timezone and their titans (besides Shrike) wouldn't come online to clear out any camps.
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Reply #4484 on: March 04, 2009, 02:59:16 PM

What Trevor said.  Nobody has been able to maintain a 23/7 blockade of even an Empire gateway for more than a few days before, and even those not in enough strength to stop a determined effort to break through.  Camping in an NPC station so thoroughly that even an organized effort couldn't clear a path, and keeping it up for weeks on end?  Unpossible.

That their capital blob could get trapped in the PR- station, along with all their strategic stockpiles of POS fuel and spare ships probably didn't even seem like something to consider.  I would certainly never have, and I'm not sure the Goons hoped to gain more than a week with it themselves.

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Reply #4485 on: March 04, 2009, 03:09:01 PM

It's an npc station, it's not like evacuating anything from it would be hard. The hard-on you have over the firesales that clearly are not happening is really amusing.

The only people in real trouble are the ones who left their capitals in space, and especially those who were to lazy login and left them at the POS (true story). They're fucked, because they're locked out from using that character. But since they can't login, they cannot firesale anything, even if they really wanted to.


The only assets that can locked are the ones that were in corporation hangar when player owned station changed hands (notice, that not moving everything you can from corp to private hangar is extremely stupid). Personal assets cannot be locked. You have full access to them all the time. You can clone to station and move them out in something fast, you can wait few month and move them out in fucking jump freighter when noones looking, or easiest way of all - you can get an alt in one of GF friendly pet corps (not hard with 70% of EVE entities being on their blue list) and trade the good to him (obviously, better wait till bubbles are gone, goons are not that stupid) Or you can set them up on market/contract couriers at 150% value and let the goons move them out for you.

Of course, there are pets who didn't signed for this style of gameplay and, looking at PL recruitment forums,  there arewere a lot of really dumb people in BoB:/ So maybe you will get your firesales eventually.
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Reply #4486 on: March 04, 2009, 03:17:24 PM

It's an npc station, it's not like evacuating anything from it would be hard. The hard-on you have over the firesales that clearly are not happening is really amusing.
Fire sales and membership numbers are the only objective measures of morale, everything else is inference.  So yes, it is significant that Kenzoku numbers are not dropping, and that they don't seem to be dumping their stuff even in the conquerable stations.  They seem to have confidence that things will turn around, somehow.  So I'm trying to figure out why they believe that, and whether that belief is delusional or based on assumptions that things in the future will be like the past that may not be justified.

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Reply #4487 on: March 04, 2009, 03:27:15 PM


Of course, there are pets who didn't signed for this style of gameplay


I find it hard to believe that anyone signed up for this particular type of gameplay. Being camped into a station for literally weeks is, as I understand it, not a common occurrence. I understand why it must be frustrating for you to hear this all the time, since you can't very well share any plans you have in the works to break this siege, but from an outsider's perspective claims from KenZoku/ex-BoB that they aren't out of it yet are kind of like claims that super weapons are about to be deployed and change the tide of the war any day.
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Reply #4488 on: March 04, 2009, 04:14:46 PM

It's an npc station, it's not like evacuating anything from it would be hard. The hard-on you have over the firesales that clearly are not happening is really amusing.

The only people in real trouble are the ones who left their capitals in space, and especially those who were to lazy login and left them at the POS (true story). They're fucked, because they're locked out from using that character. But since they can't login, they cannot firesale anything, even if they really wanted to.


The only assets that can locked are the ones that were in corporation hangar when player owned station changed hands (notice, that not moving everything you can from corp to private hangar is extremely stupid). Personal assets cannot be locked. You have full access to them all the time. You can clone to station and move them out in something fast, you can wait few month and move them out in fucking jump freighter when noones looking, or easiest way of all - you can get an alt in one of GF friendly pet corps (not hard with 70% of EVE entities being on their blue list) and trade the good to him (obviously, better wait till bubbles are gone, goons are not that stupid) Or you can set them up on market/contract couriers at 150% value and let the goons move them out for you.

Of course, there are pets who didn't signed for this style of gameplay and, looking at PL recruitment forums,  there arewere a lot of really dumb people in BoB:/ So maybe you will get your firesales eventually.
Hell, Kenny could evacuate PR- right now - log in a dozen or so titans and warp them three or four at a time to the camps and DD everything (holding the rest back so that the inevitable counterattack can in turn be DDed as well. Repeat ad nauseam). The problem with that is that it's a fairly high probability that someone would lose their own titan...which means nobody wants to risk it.

Welcome to the inevitable end result of "My K : D Ratio!" and "The best pilots flying the best ships".

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Reply #4489 on: March 04, 2009, 05:36:06 PM

Wow I just checked the PL open recruitment forum, some interesting porn there:

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Hey Cippa,

Okay.

Fucking terrible. Evol and Molle have always prided itself on being able to do what they want when they want it. Molle has always had the minions and pets well seduced with "BoB is the best" and "We are better than thou" rhetoric and we do BBQ's and shit.

Were a family etc.

Well from what I have witnessed in the last 3 months is Eve's eldest corp turn into a collection of newbs from broken pets and a sheer disinterest from the veterans in Evol. A small collection of them are still kickin it, trying to keep what logistics and self preservation they have now and are having to abandon their own home constellations.

When the Dine in NOL campaign was stopped it was laughed at because goons and friends never even made it to EVOL home systems. EVOL constellation was thought of as the pinnacle fortress of Band of Brothers. We at the time were quite proud of such things then.

Well as you can plainly see, that fortress has been razed and what Evolers remain are probably rethinking the upcoming months as either a new beginning out of Kenny or a chance to leave eve indefinitely.

Most have gone perma afk already.

I don't really have a rant with Evol membership at all really, the average pilot is looking to assist molle in his campaign to rule whatever it is Molle and the first lady wants to Rule.

Cool fuckin beans...but not for me.

I don't do internetspaceship nepatism very well so I bid them adieu and made a move to do something fun for a change. In the year and half I was in Evol Molle spoke to me but a few times, odd for such a caring CEO.
Usually only to slap my peepee when I spoke my mind. Usually, in the sheer interest to have a laugh and poke fun and whoever it is I am red to. I toted the line long enough and I think I left an indelible imprint by leaving them.

Molle realizes he has lost everything at this point and in an effort to calm the masses from mass exodus has begun his morale blogs.

If Molle truly gave a shit about something other than his internet spaceship legacy he would stop flying titans, hand the reigns to Waagaa or some dutch fgt and let someone else at least try get thier shit together.

Sry, nop indeed.
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Reply #4490 on: March 04, 2009, 08:56:12 PM

So am I reading the situation wrong, or is this all pretty much over once Goons get enough sovereignty to put up cyno jammers? Even if the morale of the dispossesed BoB-remnant remains high, and they get all their ships out eventually, what are they going to do besides play insurgent until they run out of money and become irrelevant?

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Reply #4491 on: March 04, 2009, 09:03:27 PM

So am I reading the situation wrong, or is this all pretty much over once Goons get enough sovereignty to put up cyno jammers? Even if the morale of the dispossesed BoB-remnant remains high, and they get all their ships out eventually, what are they going to do besides play insurgent until they run out of money and become irrelevant?

Maybe they'll show everyone that you *can* invade a sov3 fortress!

I'd assume though that if they're going to try anything they'd try it before we get sov3 across the majority of the region, but then I thought they'd try something before they lost all their stations, etc, and I was wrong about that too.
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Reply #4492 on: March 04, 2009, 09:13:50 PM

So am I reading the situation wrong, or is this all pretty much over once Goons get enough sovereignty to put up cyno jammers? Even if the morale of the dispossesed BoB-remnant remains high, and they get all their ships out eventually, what are they going to do besides play insurgent until they run out of money and become irrelevant?

They are going to do nothing. If there was something they could have done they would have done it before we had all our towers up and theirs down. They would have done it while we were under logistical strain.

edit: Every day it gets easier for us to defend and harder for them to mount a resistance as our logistical costs go down and their members leave for want of not basing out of empire anymore.
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Reply #4493 on: March 04, 2009, 09:17:19 PM

It's going to be interesting to find out why AAA didn't come to the rescue, at least to the extent of helping them stage a breakout in PR-.

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Reply #4494 on: March 04, 2009, 11:09:24 PM

I find it hard to believe that anyone signed up for this particular type of gameplay. Being camped into a station for literally weeks is, as I understand it, not a common occurrence.

Does not sound much different then the Shadowclan Orcs on Catskills.  They were "camped" into a fort.  PvP came to them 24/7.
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Reply #4495 on: March 05, 2009, 01:05:31 AM


Hell, Kenny could evacuate PR- right now - log in a dozen or so titans and warp them three or four at a time to the camps and DD everything (holding the rest back so that the inevitable counterattack can in turn be DDed as well. Repeat ad nauseam). The problem with that is that it's a fairly high probability that someone would lose their own titan...which means nobody wants to risk it.

Welcome to the inevitable end result of "My K : D Ratio!" and "The best pilots flying the best ships".

Exactly. Well - the first part of your post. The second one is horribly wrong, propaganda clouded blabber.

It could look like this: Login 10 titans, dd everything in system (goons don't have coordination and experience to evade that many doomsdays). Then we get some of our caps online and we get jumped by say PL. With lot of motherships and carriers, we can still manage to protect titans and fight on reasonably equally ground.
Then we get jumped by NC, TCF, GF(lol 200 cap swarm) and to put it bluntly - our capital fleet dies horribly, losing multiple titans (if we're unlucky). Cap fight are too much about simple numerical advantage and that's where one goon with dread is worth more than all the pets combined (our pets don't have dreads, it's one of mistakes we made, but it's a subject for different post).

The claims about K:D ratio are hilarious when Molle alone have already lost 4 or five titans. We're way past that point. The only thing we're concerned with is the morale effect of losing another titan.


Trebes:
Oh, entire f13 crew signed for it. Everyone whose main target is to conquer the space and generally be a card dealer in 0.0 warfare has to accept super-boring POS warfare, week long camps and all this stuff. There is the pvp 23/7 argument, but even when things go horribly wrong, you're supposed to be prepared. The duration of the camp doesn't really matter (hell, it could be much worse if pr- was player controllable station).

MahrinSkel:
My guesses are:
1) Some people already evacuated our assets.
2) Some have other alts to play on and know very well that their stuff can be evacuated eventually (refer to my previous post, it's npc station)
3) Some are just that hardcore.

MahrinSkel:
You're being clouded with goon propaganda calling AAA/ROL 'BoB pets'. Auahahahahaha. I mean, we're talking "I'll be dancing on BoB graves" Evil Thug here. Now, the goon campaign was just temporary blue standings with very limited cooperation. We're not even allies and AAA has absolutely no obligation to go and help us. Nor it's really expected from them. In fact only reason why they would consider helping us would be the fact that goonies want to run the entire naptrain on them after they're finished with BoB.

Or maybe it's because Arianna still hasn't sung CCCP anthem or their TS.
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Reply #4496 on: March 05, 2009, 01:23:51 AM

MahrinSkel:
You're being clouded with goon propaganda calling AAA/ROL 'BoB pets'. Auahahahahaha. I mean, we're talking "I'll be dancing on BoB graves" Evil Thug here. Now, the goon campaign was just temporary blue standings with very limited cooperation. We're not even allies and AAA has absolutely no obligation to go and help us. Nor it's really expected from them. In fact only reason why they would consider helping us would be the fact that goonies want to run the entire naptrain on them after they're finished with BoB.

Maybe so, but my guess is that Ken & Barbie haven't offered ET the right carrot.
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Reply #4497 on: March 05, 2009, 01:47:25 AM

In fact only reason why they would consider helping us would be the fact that goonies want to run the entire naptrain on them after they're finished with BoB.

Yeah that's not gonna happen.  Why?

1.  Goons are horrible at projecting power - that's why they had to move en masse for Delve to have any hope in taking space.  Much like their first move south to kill LV
2.  PL have no particular AAA hayte.  Sure there are individuals who don't like AAA and some bitterness over Delve 1 but nothing like the all consuming Kenny hayte that motivated us to make years worth of strategic moves with killing Ken in mind
3.  Taking AAAs space would be a timezone war nightmare of epic grinding proportions that'd make Delve look like a fun roadtrip.  Very few people have the stomach for that

In fact I'm fairly sure most of the "Argh! AAA" comes from a few overexcited goon grunts who suddenly think "Wow we're the new BoB!" and KFC doing the "Please save us or you're next :(" routine.
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Reply #4498 on: March 05, 2009, 02:11:08 AM

First off, Joe, remember that Band of Brothers is now the worst corp in Goonswarm.  I think you meant to refer to Kenzoku, not Bob.

You're right, of course, that a break-out attempt would be suicidal right now.  Kenny's numerical advantage has been squandered over the last few weeks, and whoever made the decision to base out of PR- is guilty of, without doubt, the most wrong-headed and strategically disastrous decision in Eve history.  Kenny, before that, had numbers in their own timezone but the arrogance that refused to learn from being camped into their staging system in Curse meant that they have had to fight .  It's a classic example of losing a war because you think you are still fighting the last one.

Joe, everyone knows that assets can be got out of PR-.  But i suspect that some people who might otherwise have left are clinging on in Kenny and pets because an organised breakout will happen eventually, and herd movement provides them with a good chance to get out.  I say again that Kenny will get their caps out sooner or later (probably sooner, as the imperative for us keeping the PR- camp going recedes and victory becomes ever more assured).  Their mistake will be looking ridiculous on CAOD and Shitheap Challenge by crowing about this as an achievement: it's going to be as if the British got their troops off the beach at Dunkirk only after Britain had fallen to the Germans.

The pets, of course, do have their own dreads, despite what Joe says.  I watched over a dozen of them being jumped out (presumably from Period Basis) by Exe pilots into Aridia over a week ago.  That  said, they used to have more capitals, but I know of four or five that have been sold in PR- already, and doubtless others have been able to do what our own Sir T did, and strike private bargains with people they know on the losing side.

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Anyhoo, plenty of F13 Eve players will be interested that Kenny are now 40th in the alliance rankings on Dotlan, one place below our very own Aegis Militia.  Kenny has only one station left in the game, 49-, and that will fall unless Kenny summons the will to fight back in a system which does, after all, sit connected to a huge number of their allies.

Also regarding 49- we have some delicious chatporn on GF.com right now from a great thinker in Kenny called Buxaroo, talking about the incident where Kenny tried to do a breakout while we were killing towers in 49- and we went back to shut them down:

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You guys do know you got played right? I mean, it makes SOOOOOOOO much sense to bring in 250 of our people into PR- with bubbles on the gates, with 170 hostile caps jumping in, with multiple hostile titans in system and 300 hostile BS and support being bridged in from 49-. Good job on getting side tracked and not finishing the job killing all of the POS inside 49-.

I mean come on, we know there are spies watching IRC and seeing Dian pinging with "GET YOUR CAPS LOGGED ON INSIDE PR-!!!".

You guys fell for it hook line and sinker. You thought that we were gonna be dumb enough to jump into that situation? You only had 2 choices:

1. Stay in 49- and complete the job of taking out all of the POS (the smart strategic move)

-or-

2. Throw everything but the kitchen sink into PR- hoping to kill some of our caps logging into PR- and not finishing the job of taking out all of the POS inside 49- (only a tactical victory if we were dumb enough to do it)

Either way you got played. If you decided to actually finish the job and do whats needed, we would have gotten out a decent amount of ships being perma camped in PR- and you would have taken all of the POS down in 49-.

As usual, you guys only think of the amount of numbers to bring down instead of actually thinking about dividing up the fleet and doing two things at once. But we all know you guys can't do shit without huge numbers to back you up and you didn't want a 2-1 odd fight with us. So instead you went for a 5-1 odds.

And it was predictable.

Yes, Buxaroo believes that the smart, strategically wise move would have been to finish off a few Kenny towers in 49- (where we now have tower majority ticking, anyway) and let Kenny break their caps out from PR-.  As it was, we'll be forced to use our uinopposed cap fleet to finsh those towers off another time.  We truly got played by ~~Da Puppetmasters~~

Also, Sparky is saying what I've also been saying: there will be no immediate appetite for a huge fight vs AAA, we will be busily turning Delve into a proper fortress, and i wouldn't be surprised if AAA's limited involvement is the result of a tacit understanding along those lines.

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Reply #4499 on: March 05, 2009, 02:26:00 AM

Oh, also there were 58 hostile towers in reinforced in Delve and Querious as of 0552 this morning, including virtually every tower that Kenny has left in Delve.  Also, their remaining cyno jammers all across the region are incapped, meaning that they'll have to rep them up or blow them up and plant new ones.  This was important as Kenny should get sov 3 at some point in the next 24 hours (I don't know if it is today or tomorrow at downtime).

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Reply #4500 on: March 05, 2009, 02:26:39 AM

And 49-U is Goons.

Oh and quoting the funniest line I have read in a while

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That, right there, is why you lost Joe.

As for why their numbers are not dropping, its not through lack of effort. There are tons of Kenny applying to other alliances. Unfortunately they are bieng laughed at. Half of them are talking about how brilliant they are in their apps which is making people laugh even harder. Basically Kenny has a rep of bieng complete shit at this point. Too many people have fought them to believe the "great PVPer" line. ANYONE with a kenny corp in his history has an automatic black mark against them. From the noises DICE are making, trying to set themselves aside from the rest of Kenny, I'd say they are preparing to split.

As for Joe's line of non existent firesales, they are happening Joe. The good public ones are getting snapped up in minutes as everyone has an eye on contracts. I got a carrier and fully T2 fit BS through private negotiation with a red. All you are seeing is the crappy prices that no-one is touching. I've personally seen 5 brilliantly priced carriers go through and there was a fully fit and rigged Revelation on the contracts for 1.6 bill this morning. Its not an emergency glut but there are constant trickles of contracts moving. And our capital fleet is expanding up and up. I seriously doubt that there are 200 caps in pr- anymore.
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Reply #4501 on: March 05, 2009, 04:53:22 AM

Nobody ever thinks of the innocent victims in this war...

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Reply #4502 on: March 05, 2009, 04:57:37 AM

Nobody ever thinks of the innocent victims in this war...

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Reply #4503 on: March 05, 2009, 08:27:30 AM

I think you're overstating the decision to base from PR-.  I've never seen alliances base from more than one system at a time, and PR- was always the natural choice for BoB.  Do you think they should've based each corp from a different station system?  That just lets smaller groups of hostiles camp in one of said station, and each time they do an op, they'd have to spend an hour cleaning off station camps in all the different systems. 

Basing from PR- wasn't a tactical or strategic mistake.  BoB got owned straight up across all timezones is what happened.
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Reply #4504 on: March 05, 2009, 08:42:41 AM

I think you're overstating the decision to base from PR-.  I've never seen alliances base from more than one system at a time, and PR- was always the natural choice for BoB.  Do you think they should've based each corp from a different station system?  That just lets smaller groups of hostiles camp in one of said station, and each time they do an op, they'd have to spend an hour cleaning off station camps in all the different systems. 

Basing from PR- wasn't a tactical or strategic mistake.  BoB got owned straight up across all timezones is what happened.

This.

What normally happens in these circumstances is that the 'trapped' alliance all undock in their primetime, and then hotdrop us all to fuck.

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Reply #4505 on: March 05, 2009, 08:42:52 AM

If they'd continued to use 3 different systems to base out of, they could break any one camp, as camping 3 systems for 23 hours a day would be pushing it, even if they were all next door to each other. And I can't see being able to camp 3 different NPC stations to stop the dread fleet from undocking either.

Putting everything into PR- was a mistake on the caliber of the French army doctrine at the start of WW2. A War losing one.

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Reply #4506 on: March 05, 2009, 08:43:12 AM

Basing from PR- wasn't a tactical or strategic mistake.

Oh come on.  Look at what you just said.  The move to PR- took 230 capitals and a bunch of supercaps out of the campaign.  It wasn't as if it wasn't predictable: they made the same mistake in the Detorid campaign and PL punished it for them then on occasion (leading indirectly to the Hurley kill.  They didn't get owned across timezones until they moved to PR-: you yourself described the situation when AAA came to visit and we were all sitting in POSes (alongside the hostiles sitting inside the same POSes).

Of course, another reason for their collapsing participation was that Eve's worst titan pilot chose to repeat his campaign-turning act of 46-DP and pull a Hurley.  But even swallowing their pride and basing in the (very nearby) lowsec would have been better.  They chose PR- because in the first Eve campaign it split Delve and worked for them.  But they were building a Maginot line while we were already coming through the Ardennes.

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Reply #4507 on: March 05, 2009, 09:18:58 AM

Endie, if you seriously think basing in lowsec would be better, I don't think it's worth arguing about it anymore.
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Reply #4508 on: March 05, 2009, 10:13:24 AM

Endie, if you seriously think basing in lowsec would be better, I don't think it's worth arguing about it anymore.

Well, it would have been better from the perspective of "not getting bubblecamped for two weeks straight", which is really all that they could have hoped for once the shooting started - you go to war with the allies you make, not the allies you wish you had.
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Reply #4509 on: March 05, 2009, 10:18:11 AM

Endie, if you seriously think basing in lowsec would be better, I don't think it's worth arguing about it anymore.

Having a fleet able to act and react isn't as useful as not having a fleet?  Que?  Yo no hablo ingles.

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Reply #4510 on: March 05, 2009, 10:42:29 AM

a great thinker in Kenny called Buxaroo
Ugh, he's the local Kenny cheerleader over in the Eve thread over at Ars Technica where a large majority of the posters are from ARSED in GF. He's constantly declaring the benefits of their kool-aid all the time.
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Reply #4511 on: March 05, 2009, 10:45:55 AM

Yeah you are right trevor, nothing could be better than being camped into pr- for two solid weeks. The inability to anchor dozens of bubbles would be a huge advantage for those camping. And not being able to use fast-locking ships that can't tank sentries would be awesome. Oh no, wait, all that is wrong.

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When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was bullshit!


Reply #4512 on: March 05, 2009, 11:37:55 AM

MahrinSkel:
You're being clouded with goon propaganda calling AAA/ROL 'BoB pets'. Auahahahahaha. I mean, we're talking "I'll be dancing on BoB graves" Evil Thug here. Now, the goon campaign was just temporary blue standings with very limited cooperation. We're not even allies and AAA has absolutely no obligation to go and help us. Nor it's really expected from them. In fact only reason why they would consider helping us would be the fact that goonies want to run the entire naptrain on them after they're finished with BoB.

Or maybe it's because Arianna still hasn't sung CCCP anthem or their TS.
That AAA is independent was never in question.  It was obvious it was an arrangement of convenience.  That they seem to have decided that they don't care if BoB dies, since they're getting what they wanted (the old Goon space), is still not decided.  And it's unlikely that the coalition that has always existed to destroy BoB will stick together afterwards, there just isn't a large enough threat to outweigh the other factors of conflict and disinterest (unless RA and AAA form common cause to conquer all of 0.0 for Mother Russia).

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Reply #4513 on: March 05, 2009, 11:53:24 AM

It's an npc station, it's not like evacuating anything from it would be hard. The hard-on you have over the firesales that clearly are not happening is really amusing.


There were continual sales of carriers and dreads for a week or so. I'm not sure they were cheap enough to be called firesales, but they got bought.

I agree with what you said about AAA. That was a marriage of convenience, and we've seen they have no sense of loyalty to Kenny as the war could potentially have been much harder for us if AAA had really tried to help their former allies. It's not as if they've had any competition taking our old space either (Trevor suggests they don't even want it, which may be true but if they do want it there's been no need for them to hurry about taking it).

I said this elsewhere, but I do expect AAA to come and shoot us sometimes. But it'll be about the fun of shooting us. Who knows, they could even try to take Delve for themselves one day, but it certainly won't be for Kenny.

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Reply #4514 on: March 05, 2009, 12:42:11 PM

For 10 points, guess which alliance ceo is perma-banned from :hurr: eve-o for threatening to personally gut our allies' families with a rusty junior hacksaw and is working off his excess posting energy here.

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