War

[Yoru]

The Goonfleet recruitment policy is thus: You must either be a member of the SA forums (with some posts under your belt) or a friend of a Goonfleet member who meets the prior requirement and is willing to risk his own membership to vouch for you. You can then apply and get admitted to the Fleet. It costs you or your sponsor absolutely nothing.

If someone was approaching you completely out of the blue, the most likely scenario is a scam attempt. It's fairly common given the number of wealthy and overly-trusting empire folks who'd love to join a large alliance with decent 0.0 space to play in.

The various other corps in Goonswarm (the alliance), e.g. Duragon Pioneer Group, Darkstar One, etc., may have different recruitment policies. DS1 is known to be a big capship corp, so if you're an advanced PVPer, they could conceivably try to recruit you - but I'm not familiar with their actual policy.

[JoeTF]

BoB is off to BBQ, so prepare for week long no-drama period. Unless ofc GS do something fun/silly like attacking RA or empire.

[Simond]

Does -A- officially declaring war on FIX count? 

[Endie]

BoB is off to BBQ, so prepare for week long no-drama period. Unless ofc GS do something fun/silly like attacking RA or empire.

You can't fool us!  LC let slip that most of BoB left for the barbeque weeks ago.

More seriously, if the ratio of laptops and wireless connections to humans at this BBQ is not enough to let Bob's attendees launch a major attack with everyone dualboxing I shall be heartily surprised and rather disappointed.  And Rise will be gutted.  In more ways than one.

[neep]

if the ratio of laptops and wireless connections to humans at this BBQ is not enough to let Bob's attendees launch a major attack with everyone dualboxing I shall be heartily surprised and rather disappointed

hmm, http://www.vangit.dk/tits.jpg

[Endie]

if the ratio of laptops and wireless connections to humans at this BBQ is not enough to let Bob's attendees launch a major attack with everyone dualboxing I shall be heartily surprised and rather disappointed

hmm, http://www.vangit.dk/tits.jpg

Ack, a week with a 250:1 computer/nerd ratio?  Oh noes, our c/n ratio!

Were you there last year?  And is the open invitation bit a new thing?  Quite a few goons from eurosquad are going this time, and thoroughly expect to get hot-dropped.  I would have gone, but I have a hand-in for my masters on the Friday.

[Comstar]

Does -A- officially declaring war on FIX count? 

What? Where? SInce the SHC war thread got deleted for another week I miss this stuff.

Also, IAC lost an outpost egg, possible to bug. I wasn't there, but something happened to stop it becoming an outpost after downtime. MC shows up after outbreak finds out and kaboom.

[MahrinSkel]

Does -A- officially declaring war on FIX count? 

What? Where? SInce the SHC war thread got deleted for another week I miss this stuff.

Also, IAC lost an outpost egg, possible to bug. I wasn't there, but something happened to stop it becoming an outpost after downtime. MC shows up after outbreak finds out and kaboom.

On page 3 of that thread, Tyraxx admits the egg wasn't properly filled, but claims that a bug caused some of the filler to disappear out of storage before they went to put up the outpost (since all of the people who had access claim there's no way they could have miscounted, misplaced, or deliberately shorted the supplies).  Somehow, I don't think this egg is getting reimbursed.  Just speaking for myself, when my corp deployed our egg, we had 3 different people count *everything* right before I anchored the egg and we started loading freighters.

AAA attacked ED- around downtime and reinforced a couple of POS, then saw the shadow of MC's capital fleet and went back to Empire (or possibly it was just an unsuccessful diversion).  IAC, BOS, AAA, and other hangers-on claim that FIX calling for reinforcements when outnumbered by only 3 or 4 to 1 is proof of our lack of competence.  FIX replies by fanning our right hand, sticking our thumb to our nose, and going "Phhhhhbbbtttt".  At least we no longer have the distinction of being the only alliance ever to have an egg blown up.

--Dave

[neep]

Yes, this is the first time there is an invitational at the bobbique.
We figured the worst thing that can happen is a heated eve politics debate between two drunk internet spaceship nerds until one starts crying and wants to go home.
The turnout is quite a bit larger than initially expected but if everybody has send their who/when/where mail the logistics guys should be able to handle it.
(Just to be on the safe side, we have warned the local authorities about what to do, should they run into an extraordinary large amount of people milling around the same place, yelling fofofo)

[Endie]

As a GF member, personally I'd be extremely suspicious if I turned up and there was only one RKK guy standing there, 400 yards off the door with a walkie-talkie, who sprinted off as soon as I went to speak to him.

[Comstar]

AAA attacked ED- around downtime and reinforced a couple of POS, then saw the shadow of MC's capital fleet and went back to Empire (or possibly it was just an unsuccessful diversion).

Why is MC helping someone...for free? I thought they only worked if they got paid. I guess it's possible MC has been hired to "protect" FIX from the Catch front, but it seems a bit strange they would only work on defensive operations. Doesn't seem to be MC's style.

IAC, BOS, AAA, and other hangers-on claim that FIX calling for reinforcements when outnumbered by only 3 or 4 to 1 is proof of our lack of competence.

Up until the point where Uncle BoB gets tired of having to bail FIX out (see Xelas, and the death of an alliance in 2 days). It would be interesting to know, if MC is getting paid to defend FIX, is BoB the employer?

[Simond]

The trouble with MC helping FIX is that they're then not (directly) helping BoB.

[Comstar]

AAA killed a FIX Cap shipyard. The IAC fleet I was scouting for in my first co-vert op mission didn't see anything defending it (we just stood around watching the gate while the AAA fleet killed the POS).

On the way back we trapped a 40man FIX fleet up the creek, but badly timed tacklers meant they were able to escape our assaults.

[MahrinSkel]

Let's just say that somebody just got an expensive lesson in why you can't solo Eve.

--Dave

[Slayerik]

The trouble with MC helping FIX is that they're then not (directly) helping BoB.

Meatshielding isnt helping?

[Simond]

IAC/-A- is fighting FIX/MC (and blowing up fœtal owner-funded motherships), while TCF is fighting RISE & RA/GS is fighting BoB....well, when BoB turn up, anyway. :)
Not much meatshielding possible there, really.

[Vedi]

Let's just say that somebody just got an expensive lesson in why you can't solo Eve.

Someone set up their own private cap yard? :-D

[MahrinSkel]

Jovius Marginus
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:49:00 - [1] - Quote
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Not sure how many people will care but I know MS losses are pretty big so Ill take a page from BOB and go ahead and post the details of the loss.

Today as a part of a larger assault -A- killed a supercap building POS in FIX space that was 7 days from a Nyx. The POS, all components, and BPC were all personally funded by me. For the most part FIX had very little knowledge or involvement. Made a lot of mistakes setting it up and keeping it secure so the loss was mainly my fault. Didn't get to see the take down but heard it was -A- so good kill to you guys.

Obviously its tough to take a loss of roughly 20b ISK and a months work but ISK is always replaceable. Also my advice to anyone planning to solo build an MS, don't its way too much of a PITA. Just spend 40b and buy one.

He was building it solo, and nobody in FIX even knew it existed or was in reinforced until 37 minutes before it came out.  Not much time to scare up a defense force. 

--Dave

[Simond]

IAC loses an egg due to not feeding it enough (for whatever reason), FIX* 'loses' a Nyx due to J Random Idiot thinking he can solo-build a supercap with nobody noticing**
Honours about even? 

*Yes, I know - wasn't FIX's fault...hence the quote marks.
**Tip of the day: If anyone was planning on trying stealth-buildling like this, putting a "WTB Nyx BPC" thread up on SHC is probably not the smartest thing to do.

[JoeTF]

I was thinking about something like that once, buy key part of the plan would involve installing an alt in enemy alliance and using it as a builder.

[Fordel]

Then your own alliance can accidentally explode your own capital?  :-D

[Endie]

Then your own alliance can accidentally explode your own capital?  :-D

I think Joe is in Bob.  Bob's directorate level is less penetrated by spies than most, so he could tell his directors.  You're probably not going to get much of a dread fleet together to go into hostile territory in Bob without the directors having a say.

[Comstar]

IAC and BOS gangs reinforced 2 more FIX towers on the Querious border in 49-U and killed 1.75 BoB POS's in southern Querious in H75 Neither FIX nor BoB put in an appence.

The BoB towers being offline in a station system, though unpopulated and underused, is a development. There are reports of a half dozen BoB towers offline in various places. Unlike the last BoB POS attack I was on, these towers weren't in an out of the way place.

BoB is having problems refueling them, or at most, dosn't care enough to remove the tower along with the guns.

[Simond]

TCF did something similar in Omist yesterday - a couple of outpost/station systems which used to belong to a couple of BoB ex-pets had nobody claiming sovereignty any more. So TCF did their usual POS-ninja techniques and they'll flip the stations once their claim works through.

Oh, and RISE lost a carrier due to PvP Ravens: Carrier was getting pounded by a RA/GS/TCF/et al. fleet and managed to just make it into a POS with a sliver of structure left. Funny quirk in the EVE code: POS shields don't work on projectiles already in flight. The final volley of torpedoes slam home though the POS shields, and the carrier went bang. ZOMG devhax etc. :D

[Fordel]

And people usually bitch about the missile travel time! 

[Endie]

Comstar is being a little bashful about what IAC have been up to: Tyrrax has posted an update on the GF forums and it makes interesting reading (available to all spies for the low price of ten dollars).  What I like best, though, is the chatlog porn.  They're under orders not to engage, but are conifdent that Bob and MC will be there to save them soon:

[ 2007.07.19 03:02:58 ] Lucius Tyndale > boo
[ 2007.07.19 03:03:01 ] Lucius Tyndale >
[ 2007.07.19 03:03:02 ] Potato Judge > omw
[ 2007.07.19 03:03:09 ] Lucius Tyndale > u wanna play?
[ 2007.07.19 03:03:14 ] Potato Judge > thats what im here for
[ 2007.07.19 03:03:54 ] Arott > DOnt fight them thell et bored// not like they can really take ED even if they wanted too....
[ 2007.07.19 03:04:08 ] Arott > BOB would just coem beat the shit otu of em and they know it...
[ 2007.07.19 03:04:15 ] Travis Musgrat > and mc
[ 2007.07.19 03:04:40 ] Arott > yup 8)

As has been pointed out, that tactic worked real well for LV.  What strikes me about this, though, is that these people are allowed to speak in local, let alone be members of their alliance.  Grammar and spelling like that in GF would make you the target of constant hilarity until you either learned basic literacy or left.

Here's the tattle-tales of a certain ex-solo-Mothership builder, who is to be read with the caution due to the bitterly bereaved ex-member, I admit:

[21:26:32] Jovius Marginus > fyi current orders in FIX are to bore then and wait for BOB
[21:26:11] Jovius Marginus > meh FIX have gone way way down
[21:26:19] Jovius Marginus > anyone good went to OB or somewhere else
[21:27:12] Jovius Marginus > we actually have people whining about BOB taking too long

[Comstar]

We killed the 2nd BoB POS. Apperntly they were setting it up while we had a fleet in system, and someone noticed. Bad idea BoB.

FIX Comedy: They turned on the Jumpgate jammer AFTER our dreads entered 49-U. So it also died when we put the 2 towers into refinforced.

Also that intel from Tyraxx he hasn't posted on the IAC boards 

[Comstar]

The 49-U offensive continues. We've put the wav jammer into off mode again, and constant engament with the FIX fleet, though I'd say we have had the upper hand. No mass destruction that I've seen, just 1-2 ships killed at a time.

I got killed by the POS: note to self, don't hang around looting the dead while the big guns duke it out. Scratch one 8k/s inty. Oh well, got on a few kill mails.

[Endie]

In their do-or-die ops a couple of weeks ago, BoB told us all that you can either take down a PoS, or you can fight a fleet action, but never both.  That would be stupid.

So Goons, being stupid, with ADD and self-diagnosed Aspergers to a man, did both last night.  Bob turned up with a fleet in 46DP.  We were stymied for a while by the servers crashing (nothing to do with our stuff, apparently) which prevented the first half of our planned awesomeness going ahead. There was a, however, a second op, which led to a fight in 46, moving later into 9-9.  I know that BoB like k/d ratios, so as of 1am, the killmails posted were:

Bob+pets dead/Goon+allies dead

bs 22 / 3
frig 2 / 10
inty 12 / 7
hac 8 / 0
recon 1 / 0
dictor 1 /1
destro 0 / 1

Obviously, we are rueing the throwing away of 10 frigates and a destroyer, even if we did exact some sort of vengeance in hacs, battleships and a recon.*

Note that our idiotic FCs' e-honor made us wait until BoB got back from their BBQ before starting this stuff again, which a lot of us think was dumb.

Then we went and destroyed their large PoS.

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*Kill/death ratios are still stupid.  They only hurt you if you measure your every achievement by them.

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Edit:  Oooohhh, there was a deeper point!  Us foot soldiers know nothing: first to go, last to know (literally the case for me on Friday's cow art op).  Bob would have been able to stick a cyno-jammer in 46 in a few days and play invulnerable supercap games: no wonder they were so desperate to save that PoS.  And we also did some very important stuff along the same lines in another system.

[Simond]

James315 is at it again:

Oh, hello there! It's been awhile, hasn't it? I've been terribly busy. Nevertheless, I felt the need to weigh in on the great mystery of the Great War: why is BoB losing?

...followed by four full posts by him explaining his viewpoint (with two further threads promised).

:awesome:

[Kamen]

Yeah, I read and enjoyed that this morning.  My favorite line from it:

after Cyvok left Virtuozzo took over and insisted, "you have your orders; form up into gangs and kill BoB." Some say Virtuozzo was a plant. They are probably right, in one sense or another.

[Endie]

BoB seems to be taking down their towers in XGH as I write.  That was their high-water mark, and the one that led to us launching our counter into 9-9 behind them when we realised that they were short of PoSes and having to swap them around.  Obviously, they now have towers to commit somewhere else (D2-E, hopefully).  But after the last few campaigns, that's not a vast concern as it might once have been.

[Comstar]

MC has fiannly shown up to assist FIX in 49-U. So far it's even honors today, though the fleets with MC have come off worst off (FIX destroyed a IAC fleet this morning according to the IAC killboard).

Interestingly, there were some BoB with the MC fleet. Could be a lessening of pressure vs RSF?

[neep]

Looks like you got what you wanted. After all the MC/outbreak heckling IAC members have been doing lately I'm not surprised they have finally paid FIX to get hired. It will be most interesting to see if they can lay the smack down as hard south as they have done up north now that their mining break is over.

[MahrinSkel]

Well, MC figures AAA still owes them a Mothership.  Maybe they've decided to collect?  Anyway, you guys knew it wasn't *if* this would happen, but when, and wanted to move the line of scrimmage a little while they suited up.

More fun to fight IAC than AAA, though.  I hate those guys.  Not too late to reconsider standing next to the guy throwing shit at the armed man.

--Dave